The Ayatollah - a debate needed?

Jim'll sniff it

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(But I grant you that was funny)

Substance abuse - It's not to be sniffed at.

Substance abuse - It's not to be sniffed at.

But you have to stick with it.

In the light of recent tragic events, do the readers of this forum think that it is a bit distasteful to carry on with The Ayatollah, or is it a completely separate thing to be continued?

No particular viewpoint myself - just wondered what peoples thoughts were?

until my local MP tells me what I am doing is the racism I plan to continue headslapping

The Ayatollah Khaneni was the one who brought suicide bombings to the Middle East with his fatwa where he interpreted a part of the Koran to where taking your own life while taking others is glorified. This was then adopted by Assad of Syria who promoted it to his people, who then carried out suicide bombings in his name sometimes against western targets.

So I guess there is a slight sensitivity issue against it. But the main one is that bizarrely a group of Welsh people do it and it looks ridiculous

The Ayatollah Khaneni was the one who brought suicide bombings to the Middle East with his fatwa where he interpreted a part of the Koran to where taking your own life while taking others is glorified. This was then adopted by Assad of Syria who promoted it to his people, who then carried out suicide bombings in his name sometimes against western targets.

So I guess there is a slight sensitivity issue against it. But the main one is that bizarrely a group of Welsh people do it and it looks ridiculous

your such an Islamic scholar, where did you study? Mecca or Tehran??

Just a healthy broad knowledge of world affairs. I am sure you didn't study forum moderation in Cardiff university did you?

Just be thankful I give you the info so you don't have to look for it.

Just a healthy broad knowledge of world affairs. I am sure you didn't study forum moderation in Cardiff university did you?

Just be thankful I give you the info so you don't have to look for it.

I went to Abraham University don't you know paid for, just waiting for my degree that never came in the post

You expect me to believe the Assad family as a minority Alawite sect, introduced suicide bombing to the Syrian Sunni majority? don't believe it, an if i was you i'd cross-reference that as sounds like a smear, not based on reality

Not expecting you to believe anything Thomas. I am presenting this as fact, not an opinion.

If I thought for one minute it offended the leftwing and minority groups...


..........i'd do it more.

In the light of recent tragic events, do the readers of this forum think that it is a bit distasteful to carry on with The Ayatollah, or is it a completely separate thing to be continued?

No particular viewpoint myself - just wondered what peoples thoughts were?

Feck em all

Just a healthy broad knowledge of world affairs. I am sure you didn't study forum moderation in Cardiff university did you?

Just be thankful I give you the info so you don't have to look for it.

(I spend all day online and I Google everything and then repeat it to make myself sound intelligent for strangers on forums)

The Ayatollah Khaneni was the one who brought suicide bombings to the Middle East with his fatwa where he interpreted a part of the Koran to where taking your own life while taking others is glorified. This was then adopted by Assad of Syria who promoted it to his people, who then carried out suicide bombings in his name sometimes against western targets.

So I guess there is a slight sensitivity issue against it. But the main one is that bizarrely a group of Welsh people do it and it looks ridiculous

The Ayatollah Khaneni? This is hilarious!!!!!!!
So much knowledge about world affairs???? But little understanding.

If you deal in facts! At least get things right! Lack of real intelligence is so boring

Keep doing the Ayatollah, and its not going to offend anyone - except for Swansea, Newport and Bristol City fans.

Not expecting you to believe anything Thomas. I am presenting this as fact, not an opinion.

pm me your sources I assumed a secular government albeit totalitarian in Syria shunned religious extremism

Just a healthy broad knowledge of world affairs. I am sure you didn't study forum moderation in Cardiff university did you?

Just be thankful I give you the info so you don't have to look for it.

(I spend all day online and I Google everything and then repeat it to make myself sound intelligent for strangers on forums)

for me, it's fake news lol hi Nubbsy, hope u gd

Just a healthy broad knowledge of world affairs. I am sure you didn't study forum moderation in Cardiff university did you?

Just be thankful I give you the info so you don't have to look for it.

(I spend all day online and I Google everything and then repeat it to make myself sound intelligent for strangers on forums)

Booooom. And there it is.

Just a healthy broad knowledge of world affairs. I am sure you didn't study forum moderation in Cardiff university did you?

Just be thankful I give you the info so you don't have to look for it.

(I spend all day online and I Google everything and then repeat it to make myself sound intelligent for strangers on forums)

I will take that as a compliment Mr Nubbs. Although I am a famous non googler, often getting small details wrong as a result. I am a busy man, no time for that nonsense. This my friend, is well rounded knowledge and intellect. Be grateful I am willing to share

Not expecting you to believe anything Thomas. I am presenting this as fact, not an opinion.

pm me your sources I assumed a secular government albeit totalitarian in Syria shunned religious extremism

My source is my brain. If I asked you to give me your source on Peter Whittingham playing for Cardiff, you wouldn't really need one or indeed know what was your original source - you would just know. I am sure there is plenty of other sources though.

One I recently watched was the superb documentary "Hyper Normalisation" (it's 3 hours+ so get the popcorn in) which I am sure also pretty strongly outlined Khamenei and Assad's role in bringing about suicide bombings as a staple in the Middle East and ensuring it became acceptable when carried out against religious opposition.

However if you don't want to watch that then I shall do some donkey work for you and see if I can find any snippets. Wouldn't want you living in ignorance young Thomas

Here we are:-

The connection between suicide bombings and militant Islamic ideology can be traced back to Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini and the Iran-Iraq war that raged during the 1980s. Khomeini took the concept of self-sacrifice, already prominent within Iranians’ Shia interpretation of the Quran, and extended it to taking one’s life for the greater cause of promoting the Iranian revolution. And for Khomeini, that included expanding Islam’s role in the war against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.

Khomeini picked young boys who were susceptible to indoctrination and marched them into minefields - using their bodies to clear paths for Iranian forces to walk through. He would give these children keys to symbolically represent that they would be unlocking the gates of heaven.

While many within the Islamic world were horrified, Syrian president Hafez al-Assad, father of current Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, saw an opportunity. He then expanded on the idea of using self-sacrifice not only as a means of defense, but also as an offensive weapon when he sent Shiite suicide bombers behind the wheel of a bus packed with 2000 pounds of explosives into a US Marine base in Lebanon.

These Shiite militants Assad helped assemble eventually became what we know as the Hezbollah.

From the Baghdad post regarding the fatwa I touched upon:-

Iran's first supreme leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah al-Khomeini was the first to issue a fatwa to permit suicide bombings in the region, Iran8v Twitter account revealed on Monday.

"Khomeini was the first to issue a fatwa to permit suicide bombings, and Iraq's Shiite Da'wa party was the first to carry out a suicide bombing against Iraqi embassy in Beirut in 1981," the tweet read.

More on the fatwa and that effect on people:-

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‘Father of Suicide Bombing’ Reportedly Injured in Iran Suicide Bomb

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A double suicide bombing at Iran's Beirut Embassy killed at least 23 people on November 19, 2013. Photo: Screenshot / Al-Manar TV.
A double suicide bombing at Iran's Beirut Embassy killed at least 23 people on November 19, 2013. Photo: Screenshot / Al-Manar TV.

In a he-had-it-coming-to-him-moment, the self-proclaimed father of suicide bombing appears to have been injured on Tuesday in Beirut, where the Iranian embassy was targeted by an Al-Qaeda faction, The Times of London reported. 23 people were killed in the attack, including an Iranian diplomat, and 140 were injured.

The Times said 67-year-old cleric Issa Tabatabai is a close ally of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and a key go-between for Iran and its Lebanese proxy militia, Hezbollah. It cited website Ayandeh as reporting that the cleric’s wife and daughter were also wounded, and that all three were in hospital in Beirut.

Tabatabai has championed suicide bombing, or “martyrdom operations,” and bragged that he helped to cement the notion. He was involved in several lethal attacks during Lebanon’s civil war, including the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Embassy that killed 63 people and marked the beginning of Islamist attacks on American targets, The Times said.

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The Times said that Tabatabai claimed to have secured a fatwa from Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Iran’s first Supreme Leader, that permitted suicide attacks against a religious enemy. Suicide is haram (sinful) under Islamic law.

In a 2010 interview, Tabatabai said he had urged the Supreme Leader to bend the rules after Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982, The Times reported:

“A Lebanese Shia cleric issued a fatwa saying, ‘Under the present conditions, fighting Israel is like committing suicide and suicide is haram in Islam.’ I quickly hurried back to Tehran to see Imam Khomeini and told him about the fatwa,” Tabatabai said. To fight back against the Israelis, the cleric asked Khomeini if suicide bombing could be justified under Islamic law. “Imam Khomeini said, ‘No, this is not suicide, this is martyrdom, this is jihad [holy war], this is definitely permissible.’ This is how I got the fatwa on suicide bombings from the imam and how everything changed in Lebanon ever since,” Tabatabai said.
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