Diane abbott again ffs wake up labour voters

Sorry we won't all be f**ked. What you mean is you personally might not be as rich as you would be under a Tory Government if Labour get in. The rest of us will benefit from Labour's policies as it is designed for the many not the few.

So please don't include 'everyone' in your personal circumstances because at the end of the day you will still live comfortably while the most desperate might not need to use food banks.

Stop being so selfish and think about society as a whole

You can call him selfish, and roll your eyes but the same label could easily be thrown back at yourself on this.

It could be argued that our adoption of Big Government & the Nanny State mentality is what has actually led us to the point when we are using food banks in the first place - such 'nannying' from the Government over the last few decades has promoted the concept that nothing is our fault and that all our problems should be solved by somebody else?

What kind of people and society does that promote?

What exactly is wrong with the capitalist concept of if you work harder you will have more and therefore be able to provide a better life for your children than you had?

Again what kind of people and society does that promote?

Long term - is it not selfish to sacrifice the strong positive ideals of the latter - i.e. that hard work, commitment, ambition etc are ideals to be fostered, respected and nurtured - in the future generations to come, just so right now you can feel morally superior as you and Super Jezza fight for the poor, down trodden, humble everyman that never got a break in life against the evil, nasty, over privileged fat cat bankers with their perfectly manicured hands stroking big white fluffy cats as they make there way through four hour work weeks?

Stop living in a cartoon version of society.

I'd guess that there are a fair number of people on this board who have come from a working class background and have worked hard to put themselves in a better place in society, rather than just accept their lot in life and get on with being miserable. (I'm one of them)

You mention food banks and I agree it is one of the greatest tragedies that in Britain 2017 there are parents unable to feed their children.

However, I have two children and the way I see it, is that it is my fundamental responsibility as a parent to be able to put a roof over their head and feed them, not the Government's (or Charities' for that matter).

I'm no fan of Theresa May, or the Tories particularly for that matter, and have a chequered voting past including LibDem and UKIP so I'm certainly not one of your "died in the wool, my father voted x, so i'll vote x" type of folks - but for me Corbyn's far left, regressive shift back to socialism, privatisation and Robin Hood-esque demonisation of the rich to protect the poor - just isn't learning the lessons of history. It didn't work in the 70s and it won't work now, some forty years on.

But that's just my view - if Big Government and Corbyn is your thing fine. Vote next week and we'll see how it comes out in the wash, and if it is the democratic choice of the nation is to jump head first into his vision of the future, then so be it.

But please can we stop these lazy assertions that just because you think Corbyn's far-left policies are possibly a bad thing then your automatically some selfish tw*t that sits at home laughing at all the poor people whilst diving around in a pool of money a la Scrooge McDuck.

No-one is like that anymore, I mean seriously have you tried diving into a vast vat of gold coins lately, it genuinely really, really hurts - especially now they have made the new one pound coins all pointy.

Sorry we won't all be f**ked. What you mean is you personally might not be as rich as you would be under a Tory Government if Labour get in. The rest of us will benefit from Labour's policies as it is designed for the many not the few.

So please don't include 'everyone' in your personal circumstances because at the end of the day you will still live comfortably while the most desperate might not need to use food banks.

Stop being so selfish and think about society as a whole

You can call him selfish, and roll your eyes but the same label could easily be thrown back at yourself on this.

It could be argued that our adoption of Big Government & the Nanny State mentality is what has actually led us to the point when we are using food banks in the first place - such 'nannying' from the Government over the last few decades has promoted the concept that nothing is our fault and that all our problems should be solved by somebody else?

What kind of people and society does that promote?

What exactly is wrong with the capitalist concept of if you work harder you will have more and therefore be able to provide a better life for your children than you had?

Again what kind of people and society does that promote?

Long term - is it not selfish to sacrifice the strong positive ideals of the latter - i.e. that hard work, commitment, ambition etc are ideals to be fostered, respected and nurtured - in the future generations to come, just so right now you can feel morally superior as you and Super Jezza fight for the poor, down trodden, humble everyman that never got a break in life against the evil, nasty, over privileged fat cat bankers with their perfectly manicured hands stroking big white fluffy cats as they make there way through four hour work weeks?

Stop living in a cartoon version of society.

I'd guess that there are a fair number of people on this board who have come from a working class background and have worked hard to put themselves in a better place in society, rather than just accept their lot in life and get on with being miserable. (I'm one of them)

You mention food banks and I agree it is one of the greatest tragedies that in Britain 2017 there are parents unable to feed their children.

However, I have two children and the way I see it, is that it is my fundamental responsibility as a parent to be able to put a roof over their head and feed them, not the Government's (or Charities' for that matter).

I'm no fan of Theresa May, or the Tories particularly for that matter, and have a chequered voting past including LibDem and UKIP so I'm certainly not one of your "died in the wool, my father voted x, so i'll vote x" type of folks - but for me Corbyn's far left, regressive shift back to socialism, privatisation and Robin Hood-esque demonisation of the rich to protect the poor - just isn't learning the lessons of history. It didn't work in the 70s and it won't work now, some forty years on.

But that's just my view - if Big Government and Corbyn is your thing fine. Vote next week and we'll see how it comes out in the wash, and if it is the democratic choice of the nation is to jump head first into his vision of the future, then so be it.

But please can we stop these lazy assertions that just because you think Corbyn's far-left policies are possibly a bad thing then your automatically some selfish tw*t that sits at home laughing at all the poor people whilst diving around in a pool of money a la Scrooge McDuck.

No-one is like that anymore, I mean seriously have you tried diving into a vast vat of gold coins lately, it genuinely really, really hurts - especially now they have made the new one pound coins all pointy.

Wow- I could have wrote this piece, exactly how i feel.

In front of a television audience of millions, May alleged that Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott had advocated the removal of the DNA samples of ‘criminals and terrorists’ from police databases.
Abbott has, of course, done nothing of the sort. She has advocated the removal of the DNA of innocent people, because it infringes on our civil liberties, disproportionately affects ethnic minorities and includes the DNA of, for example, victims of crimes such as rape.

In front of a television audience of millions, May alleged that Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott had advocated the removal of the DNA samples of ‘criminals and terrorists’ from police databases.
Abbott has, of course, done nothing of the sort. She has advocated the removal of the DNA of innocent people, because it infringes on our civil liberties, disproportionately affects ethnic minorities and includes the DNA of, for example, victims of crimes such as rape.

I would be happy for my DNA to be on a database. I don't intend doing anything that would lead to me being arrested, but if I do the police would be able to trace me quick enough through my DNA, and quite frankly it would be my fault. If I don't break the law I would have nothing to worry about. I can see the argument about infringing civil liberties, but I am more concerned with the civil liberties of the innocent people who have lost their lives in Manchester & London, and if one life can be saved by keeping these DNA databases then it would be worth it. I am no expert on this type of discussion, but as far as I am aware immigration in the USA have my fingerprints and a photo of my eye, and I have committed no crimes there.

Sorry we won't all be f**ked. What you mean is you personally might not be as rich as you would be under a Tory Government if Labour get in. The rest of us will benefit from Labour's policies as it is designed for the many not the few.

So please don't include 'everyone' in your personal circumstances because at the end of the day you will still live comfortably while the most desperate might not need to use food banks.

Stop being so selfish and think about society as a whole

You can call him selfish, and roll your eyes but the same label could easily be thrown back at yourself on this.

It could be argued that our adoption of Big Government & the Nanny State mentality is what has actually led us to the point when we are using food banks in the first place - such 'nannying' from the Government over the last few decades has promoted the concept that nothing is our fault and that all our problems should be solved by somebody else?

What kind of people and society does that promote?

What exactly is wrong with the capitalist concept of if you work harder you will have more and therefore be able to provide a better life for your children than you had?

Again what kind of people and society does that promote?

Long term - is it not selfish to sacrifice the strong positive ideals of the latter - i.e. that hard work, commitment, ambition etc are ideals to be fostered, respected and nurtured - in the future generations to come, just so right now you can feel morally superior as you and Super Jezza fight for the poor, down trodden, humble everyman that never got a break in life against the evil, nasty, over privileged fat cat bankers with their perfectly manicured hands stroking big white fluffy cats as they make there way through four hour work weeks?

Stop living in a cartoon version of society.

I'd guess that there are a fair number of people on this board who have come from a working class background and have worked hard to put themselves in a better place in society, rather than just accept their lot in life and get on with being miserable. (I'm one of them)

You mention food banks and I agree it is one of the greatest tragedies that in Britain 2017 there are parents unable to feed their children.

However, I have two children and the way I see it, is that it is my fundamental responsibility as a parent to be able to put a roof over their head and feed them, not the Government's (or Charities' for that matter).

I'm no fan of Theresa May, or the Tories particularly for that matter, and have a chequered voting past including LibDem and UKIP so I'm certainly not one of your "died in the wool, my father voted x, so i'll vote x" type of folks - but for me Corbyn's far left, regressive shift back to socialism, privatisation and Robin Hood-esque demonisation of the rich to protect the poor - just isn't learning the lessons of history. It didn't work in the 70s and it won't work now, some forty years on.

But that's just my view - if Big Government and Corbyn is your thing fine. Vote next week and we'll see how it comes out in the wash, and if it is the democratic choice of the nation is to jump head first into his vision of the future, then so be it.

But please can we stop these lazy assertions that just because you think Corbyn's far-left policies are possibly a bad thing then your automatically some selfish tw*t that sits at home laughing at all the poor people whilst diving around in a pool of money a la Scrooge McDuck.

No-one is like that anymore, I mean seriously have you tried diving into a vast vat of gold coins lately, it genuinely really, really hurts - especially now they have made the new one pound coins all pointy.

Wow- I could have wrote this piece, exactly how i feel.

ditto to that

I was brought up by my coal mining dad to be a staunch labour supporter. I did my apprenticeship and paid my fees to the then AEUW union without fail.
many years on I got tired of working for other people and set up my own business where I employ 30 people. My dad never wanted me to go down the mines but because I have worked 7 days a week for years to make something of myself the labour people who were happy to take my union dues to help the parties election fund now look down their nose at me.
For what its worth I thought tony blair out toried the torys to get into power.
I have read both manifesto's right through and believe the tory one is ill thought out and took the people and its 20 point lead for granted but also the labour one does not cost for the nationalisation of the private services it wants to take back over and everything is dependant on the corperation Tax going up by a massive amount which wont happen. To say it will only affect 5% of the population is fantasy because if you take an extra 8% tax off asda or Tesco's profits they will only recoup those money through putting up the costs of everyday goods making them even dearer for the people with less money and then driving inflation up.
theres no easy fix for the problems this country has with an ageing population but I don't believe the labour manifesto can achieve its goals without issuing billions of government bonds as Gordon brown already sold the gold reserves on the last batch of broken promises.
I laughed at the yanks when they had a choice between trump and Clinton but believe we are almost at the same position.
Im no fan of may but cant bring myself to trust corbyn with the security of the country and diane abbot as home secretary is like having herod in charge of a nursery.
Corbyn is a pacifist which is his choice but I think back to when I lost a good friend to the falklands war and wonder if the situation came up again under him would he just give the islands back instead of standing up for the people.
on the issue of brexit I was just to young to vote when we opted to join the foreign market as it was then and my mum tells me that back then they were never told that they would eventually be answerable to a bunch of unelected muppets in Brussels. I also believe if the remainers had come up with a feasible plan for immigration with a points system similar to Australia instead of the ridiculous scaremongering and lies that came from both sides we would still be in the euro zone now.

Two well thought out viewpoints from Steve and Ealing. The sort of things Labour are saying now are exactly the same sort of things they always come out with. History tells us that all the additional taxes they talk about never provide them with anywhere near the money they say will be raised, and that is why they have previously sold off our gold reserves, and then plundered our pension funds. Once again, there will be a massive shortfall so what or where will they attack this time. I suppose they could take more from pension funds and we can all work until we are 80.