REALLY SAD TO SEE/CARDIFF FOR THE 2ND YEAR IN A ROW

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Shelf Wed came here on a Tuesday night over 1,100, as we are going there on a Bank holiday 3pmwe should then take over a 1,000.

Preston came to us on a Tuesday night, then the following week all the way to Fulham took about 4,000 fans.

Barnsley brought 500 plus, good for them as yearsago they brought 50 to us, we took 154 to them this season.


As I said earlier, we use to take out times to these what they use to bring to us.


Why is there No honesty, its there in Black & White.
As i said earlier

Annis I don't know what you want people to say mate tbh?

When our away support is crap I will be the first to admit it, for a Club like us to be taking 100 odd fans to away games is piss poor but you can't ignore the fact that a lot of these teams average is bumped up by the close proximity of their games so the table is not a fair one and our 3rd from bottom position does not tell the entire story.

I was speaking to an old 'loyal' who had been going for over 20 years.
Home and away - on a coach - now none of them go.

Habit broken after the rebrand never to return.

He said that one or two have gone to CCS since but the craic has gone and
The atmosphere too boring.

No fun in it.

We need standing and end swap and a great start to next season to move things forward

We are not yanky families, we are passionate -drinkers and singers

Among all the shite gone on , another fact overlooked by the City over the past 6 years

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Shelf Wed came here on a Tuesday night over 1,100, as we are going there on a Bank holiday 3pmwe should then take over a 1,000.

Preston came to us on a Tuesday night, then the following week all the way to Fulham took about 4,000 fans.

Barnsley brought 500 plus, good for them as yearsago they brought 50 to us, we took 154 to them this season.


As I said earlier, we use to take out times to these what they use to bring to us.


Why is there No honesty, its there in Black & White.
As i said earlier

Annis I don't know what you want people to say mate tbh?

When our away support is crap I will be the first to admit it, for a Club like us to be taking 100 odd fans to away games is piss poor but you can't ignore the fact that a lot of these teams average is bumped up by the close proximity of their games so the table is not a fair one and our 3rd from bottom position does not tell the entire story.

I stand by what I know and believe and what many fans have told me who now don't go away anymore , the Rebrand and Tan killed our fan base big time and it's going to take yrs to get it back how it one was was.

Some will try and deny it,but it's the truth.

I was there and travelled with these fans.

I was speaking to an old 'loyal' who had been going for over 20 years.
Home and away - on a coach - now none of them go.

Habit broken after the rebrand never to return.

He said that one or two have gone to CCS since but the craic has gone and
The atmosphere too boring.

No fun in it.

We need standing and end swap and a great start to next season to move things forward

We are not yanky families, we are passionate -drinkers and singers

Among all the shite gone on , another fact overlooked by the City over the past 6 years

A lot of truth there

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Shelf Wed came here on a Tuesday night over 1,100, as we are going there on a Bank holiday 3pmwe should then take over a 1,000.

Preston came to us on a Tuesday night, then the following week all the way to Fulham took about 4,000 fans.

Barnsley brought 500 plus, good for them as yearsago they brought 50 to us, we took 154 to them this season.


As I said earlier, we use to take out times to these what they use to bring to us.


Why is there No honesty, its there in Black & White.
As i said earlier

Annis I don't know what you want people to say mate tbh?

When our away support is crap I will be the first to admit it, for a Club like us to be taking 100 odd fans to away games is piss poor but you can't ignore the fact that a lot of these teams average is bumped up by the close proximity of their games so the table is not a fair one and our 3rd from bottom position does not tell the entire story.

I stand by what I know and believe and what many fans have told me who now don't go away anymore , the Rebrand and Tan killed our fan base big time and it's going to take yrs to get it back how it one was was.

Some will try and deny it,but it's the truth.

I was there and travelled with these fans.

No denial from me on that Annis, of course the rebrand has had a negative effect but our away support was on the slide long before that if we are being totally honest about it

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Shelf Wed came here on a Tuesday night over 1,100, as we are going there on a Bank holiday 3pmwe should then take over a 1,000.

Preston came to us on a Tuesday night, then the following week all the way to Fulham took about 4,000 fans.

Barnsley brought 500 plus, good for them as yearsago they brought 50 to us, we took 154 to them this season.


As I said earlier, we use to take out times to these what they use to bring to us.


Why is there No honesty, its there in Black & White.
As i said earlier

Annis I don't know what you want people to say mate tbh?

When our away support is crap I will be the first to admit it, for a Club like us to be taking 100 odd fans to away games is piss poor but you can't ignore the fact that a lot of these teams average is bumped up by the close proximity of their games so the table is not a fair one and our 3rd from bottom position does not tell the entire story.

I stand by what I know and believe and what many fans have told me who now don't go away anymore , the Rebrand and Tan killed our fan base big time and it's going to take yrs to get it back how it one was was.

Some will try and deny it,but it's the truth.

I was there and travelled with these fans.

No denial from me on that Annis, of course the rebrand has had a negative effect but our away support was on the slide long before that if we are being totally honest about it

Our away support first started to dwindle when the RAMS disbanded.

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Shelf Wed came here on a Tuesday night over 1,100, as we are going there on a Bank holiday 3pmwe should then take over a 1,000.

Preston came to us on a Tuesday night, then the following week all the way to Fulham took about 4,000 fans.

Barnsley brought 500 plus, good for them as yearsago they brought 50 to us, we took 154 to them this season.


As I said earlier, we use to take out times to these what they use to bring to us.


Why is there No honesty, its there in Black & White.
As i said earlier

Annis I don't know what you want people to say mate tbh?

When our away support is crap I will be the first to admit it, for a Club like us to be taking 100 odd fans to away games is piss poor but you can't ignore the fact that a lot of these teams average is bumped up by the close proximity of their games so the table is not a fair one and our 3rd from bottom position does not tell the entire story.

I stand by what I know and believe and what many fans have told me who now don't go away anymore , the Rebrand and Tan killed our fan base big time and it's going to take yrs to get it back how it one was was.

Some will try and deny it,but it's the truth.

I was there and travelled with these fans.

No denial from me on that Annis, of course the rebrand has had a negative effect but our away support was on the slide long before that if we are being totally honest about it

2010 we took 6,000 Away to Chelsea and 3,500 to Newcastle on a Friday night

Rebrand may have had an effect but believe main reason was when the authorities cracked down on the 'lads' who used to be a main part of our away support.

And Chelsea was where the crackdown started - a lot went to jail as a result of that day and that was the start where many said it's not worth it anymore

If we was in the the play offs or at least challenging for it our home and away support would be a lot better

Maybe the FA, Sky and local police should stop d!cking us around and actually allow us to attend an away game at a normal kick off time with no restrictions so we can actually enjoy our day out for once?

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Shelf Wed came here on a Tuesday night over 1,100, as we are going there on a Bank holiday 3pmwe should then take over a 1,000.

Preston came to us on a Tuesday night, then the following week all the way to Fulham took about 4,000 fans.

Barnsley brought 500 plus, good for them as yearsago they brought 50 to us, we took 154 to them this season.


As I said earlier, we use to take out times to these what they use to bring to us.


Why is there No honesty, its there in Black & White.
As i said earlier

Annis I don't know what you want people to say mate tbh?

When our away support is crap I will be the first to admit it, for a Club like us to be taking 100 odd fans to away games is piss poor but you can't ignore the fact that a lot of these teams average is bumped up by the close proximity of their games so the table is not a fair one and our 3rd from bottom position does not tell the entire story.

I stand by what I know and believe and what many fans have told me who now don't go away anymore , the Rebrand and Tan killed our fan base big time and it's going to take yrs to get it back how it one was was.

Some will try and deny it,but it's the truth.

I was there and travelled with these fans.

No denial from me on that Annis, of course the rebrand has had a negative effect but our away support was on the slide long before that if we are being totally honest about it

2010 we took 6,000 Away to Chelsea and 3,500 to Newcastle on a Friday night

They were 'first's though, Newcastle was the first in 26 years, its a popular destination for lads weekends and everyone jumped all over it.

Chelsea was the first time in 27 years and again everybody jumped on the chance to go to watch us at a Premiership Club against one of the biggest Clubs in Europe.

We played Boro in an FA Cup 1/4 final in 2008 and couldn't sell it out, we played Palace away in the League Cup Semi Final in 2012 and did not come close to selling it out. West Ham Away in the Play Offs same season, couldn't sell it out, all that was before the re-brand so it was def already on the slide.

Or... How about the positive outlook that it's more than a 10% increase up on last year, even though last year we were looking at playoffs with a couple games to go. Whereas this year the season was effectively over by February.
Enough of this doom and gloom shite

Every clubs virtually increased, why not be honest and say we have a problem, 3rd worst away support in the Championship two years running and we are not even battling for relegation in either of those years.

The season was over for Wolves,but last Saturday Wolves took 2,500 away to Bristol City, nothing to play for and not a local derby,sadly it was more than we took to Bristol City 35 miles away.


Our away average will actually go lower than above,we are taking a few hundred to Sheff Wed away,Wigan and then Huddersfield away which is the last away game of the season which years ago,no matter how far away was fancy dress and well attended.

So its going to be less again than last season.

About time some of us got real about this.

We lost most of our away hard core support over the rebrand. Like it or not that is the real reason. I can understand them lot staying away and hopefully they will return when Tan buggers off. However I've noticed those that mock them for staying away don't even bother going away anymore. Hopefully that lot will continue to stay away.

We took large numbers away in our promotion season and up to 3,000 to most away games in the Premier League. That statistic to me suggests it has nothing to do with the rebrand.... If it does , can someone explain the above ?

Joff,

They were Mostly glory hunters,stopped the minute we went down, the Rebrand has hurt us more than the fans who were not bothered about us can realise, lost us many many diehards who have now got out of the routine of going to every away game
we only took 1,300 fans to our biggest away game in 50 years to get promotion to the Prem, 70% of the fans away at Man United etc I had never seen before and not seen since.

Great point, I also think the "away day experience" has been ruined by the outdated security measures in place for away games. Designated pubs, Rendezvous Points, the fact that you have to be in the travel club to take coaches away, and the risk of indiscriminate banning orders being handed out for minor offences has put the casual away fan off from travelling away with Cardiff City.
Ticket prices are also very expensive An away game will cost me and my family up to £150 per away game. Frankly, that's money I can spend elsewhere (it's also half the cost of a season ticket)

I really wanted to visit 92 League clubs but ha e been stuck on 75 for two years. I don't think I ever will visit them all unless things change.

That's pretty much it for me. Of course, throw in the rebrand, which fractured our support and the effects of modern football appear even more harsh.

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Shelf Wed came here on a Tuesday night over 1,100, as we are going there on a Bank holiday 3pmwe should then take over a 1,000.

Preston came to us on a Tuesday night, then the following week all the way to Fulham took about 4,000 fans.

Barnsley brought 500 plus, good for them as yearsago they brought 50 to us, we took 154 to them this season.


As I said earlier, we use to take out times to these what they use to bring to us.


Why is there No honesty, its there in Black & White.
As i said earlier

Annis I don't know what you want people to say mate tbh?

When our away support is crap I will be the first to admit it, for a Club like us to be taking 100 odd fans to away games is piss poor but you can't ignore the fact that a lot of these teams average is bumped up by the close proximity of their games so the table is not a fair one and our 3rd from bottom position does not tell the entire story.

I stand by what I know and believe and what many fans have told me who now don't go away anymore , the Rebrand and Tan killed our fan base big time and it's going to take yrs to get it back how it one was was.

Some will try and deny it,but it's the truth.

I was there and travelled with these fans.

No denial from me on that Annis, of course the rebrand has had a negative effect but our away support was on the slide long before that if we are being totally honest about it

2010 we took 6,000 Away to Chelsea and 3,500 to Newcastle on a Friday night

They were 'first's though, Newcastle was the first in 26 years, its a popular destination for lads weekends and everyone jumped all over it.

Chelsea was the first time in 27 years and again everybody jumped on the chance to go to watch us at a Premiership Club against one of the biggest Clubs in Europe.

We played Boro in an FA Cup 1/4 final in 2008 and couldn't sell it out, we played Palace away in the League Cup Semi Final in 2012 and did not come close to selling it out. West Ham Away in the Play Offs same season, couldn't sell it out, all that was before the re-brand so it was def already on the slide.

Have to agree with every point you have made there.Our away support has been in decline year on year.To keep blaming the rebrand alone is futile. It's a factor, but only a small factor.

It's boring and expensive to go to away games. Even if you go,on a private coach, there are about 6 pick up points adding o er an hour each way to your journey before you have left Newport.

The supporters coaches treat fans like children ( they hand out leaflets telling you the do's and don't' of the rules) and the cost outweighs the experience.

When you arrive at a location you have to stop ten miles outside the town your playing in, so,there is no chance of having a look around the place your supposed to be visiting and then when you leave your escorted out of the county with no stops on the way home.

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

same last year even with promoted clubs
boro ave 2500 but around 400 here
burnley 1900 but only around 800 here

420 Boro fans came to us on a Tuesday night and were not even in top 8 at the time,we took 89 fans away to them, I was one of them.

Lets keep making excuses and try and hide the truth.

The fact is,we have lost our away support and it needs addressing ASAP.

boro were 2nd when we played them at home. fell to 6th after we beat them





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Haven't missed a game away all season but never known one like this, since about February there has been nothing to play for not going up or down, it's been really hard spending on average 50-60 quid on an away game with little on the game.
Going to miss Sheffield Wednesday away 64 quid for ticket and bus.
Can't wait to get this season over with and hopefully going away next season we will have something to play for.
This season on times has been a real chore and I am amazed how many have actually travelled.




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Jim Smith
The Tan rebrand has definitely left a negative legacy that runs deep and we lost a lot of die hard away travellers. But also 3 shit managers since Malky has taken it's toll. But we can rebuild a base under Warnock. I've been to more away games this season than for quite a few years, all since Warnock took over. I've also bought a season ticket for 17/18 even though I'll be lucky to get to half the home games as I live in Dorset. Warnock shows a passion and commitment that can be matched by the fans. Whilst I'd love to see us fighting for promotion, it's more about the players putting in 100% every game.......that's all we ever ask. I'm hopeful the attendances home and away will improve. C'mon City....

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Shelf Wed came here on a Tuesday night over 1,100, as we are going there on a Bank holiday 3pmwe should then take over a 1,000.

Preston came to us on a Tuesday night, then the following week all the way to Fulham took about 4,000 fans.

Barnsley brought 500 plus, good for them as yearsago they brought 50 to us, we took 154 to them this season.


As I said earlier, we use to take out times to these what they use to bring to us.


Why is there No honesty, its there in Black & White.
As i said earlier

Annis I don't know what you want people to say mate tbh?

When our away support is crap I will be the first to admit it, for a Club like us to be taking 100 odd fans to away games is piss poor but you can't ignore the fact that a lot of these teams average is bumped up by the close proximity of their games so the table is not a fair one and our 3rd from bottom position does not tell the entire story.

I stand by what I know and believe and what many fans have told me who now don't go away anymore , the Rebrand and Tan killed our fan base big time and it's going to take yrs to get it back how it one was was.

Some will try and deny it,but it's the truth.

I was there and travelled with these fans.

No denial from me on that Annis, of course the rebrand has had a negative effect but our away support was on the slide long before that if we are being totally honest about it

2010 we took 6,000 Away to Chelsea and 3,500 to Newcastle on a Friday night

They were 'first's though, Newcastle was the first in 26 years, its a popular destination for lads weekends and everyone jumped all over it.

Chelsea was the first time in 27 years and again everybody jumped on the chance to go to watch us at a Premiership Club against one of the biggest Clubs in Europe.

We played Boro in an FA Cup 1/4 final in 2008 and couldn't sell it out, we played Palace away in the League Cup Semi Final in 2012 and did not come close to selling it out. West Ham Away in the Play Offs same season, couldn't sell it out, all that was before the re-brand so it was def already on the slide.

Burton Albion away this season was our first ever visit there, we could not sell out, I think we might be one of only two away two that never did.

To take 6,000 and 3,500 away for me is brilliant, I honestly don't think we could nowadays.

Your right about Boro away, in some ways I think your saying we are not as big as we think we are.


The sad thing is,we were a club that was known for our once great away support but nowadays we are down there with the smallest of small clubs Burton,Rochdale,Walsall and for me that is very very sad to see.

But we take more away than most clubs bring to the ccs, not an excuse but a fact. If you go for a like for like sat ko we will take more with the exception of Leeds Newcastle etc. Midweek matches bring our average right down, Blackburn, Barnsley etc on a Tuesday night whereas clubs based in the midlands or north only have small journies.

If you look at the teams within two hours we have travelled well, wolves brum Bristol reading, villa, Burton even qpr. But further afield we struggle.

This will increase next season and Sheffield Utd away and possibly the jacks will bring some much needed change.

19 of those clubs have brought less that average to us this year .some by a huge amount

A very valid point that will in the main be overlooked

Wolves average 1780 but brought about 700
Sheffield Wednesday 2474 brought around 1000
Huddersfield 2172 but brought 500 here
Derby 1775 but around 500 here
Preston 1556 but about 150 here
Barnsley 1459 but around 400 here

Those teams brought less numbers to us than their average, in the main because of the distance and their average is pumped by the amount of local games they play.

Shelf Wed came here on a Tuesday night over 1,100, as we are going there on a Bank holiday 3pmwe should then take over a 1,000.

Preston came to us on a Tuesday night, then the following week all the way to Fulham took about 4,000 fans.

Barnsley brought 500 plus, good for them as yearsago they brought 50 to us, we took 154 to them this season.


As I said earlier, we use to take out times to these what they use to bring to us.


Why is there No honesty, its there in Black & White.
As i said earlier

Annis I don't know what you want people to say mate tbh?

When our away support is crap I will be the first to admit it, for a Club like us to be taking 100 odd fans to away games is piss poor but you can't ignore the fact that a lot of these teams average is bumped up by the close proximity of their games so the table is not a fair one and our 3rd from bottom position does not tell the entire story.

I stand by what I know and believe and what many fans have told me who now don't go away anymore , the Rebrand and Tan killed our fan base big time and it's going to take yrs to get it back how it one was was.

Some will try and deny it,but it's the truth.

I was there and travelled with these fans.

No denial from me on that Annis, of course the rebrand has had a negative effect but our away support was on the slide long before that if we are being totally honest about it

Our away support first started to dwindle when the RAMS disbanded.

Totally agree

Annis.
It's true we have lost a lot of hardcore fans, and the rebrand and the end of Valley Rams both had a huge bearing on our numbers.
But......this table is flawed. Every other team has 5 or more clubs within touching distance, whereas we have 1.
Travelling times for most clubs are tiny compared to ours.
Exceptions are Newcastle, who are enormous, and Brighton, who are chasing promotion AND have London a train stop away.
Add to this the fact we are playing for nothing and it all becomes clear.
A true refection is to compare how mant come to Cardiff and vice versa. In most cases, we compare well.

Annis.
It's true we have lost a lot of hardcore fans, and the rebrand and the end of Valley Rams both had a huge bearing on our numbers.
But......this table is flawed. Every other team has 5 or more clubs within touching distance, whereas we have 1.
Travelling times for most clubs are tiny compared to ours.
Exceptions are Newcastle, who are enormous, and Brighton, who are chasing promotion AND have London a train stop away.
Add to this the fact we are playing for nothing and it all becomes clear.
A true refection is to compare how mant come to Cardiff and vice versa. In most cases, we compare well.

Too sensible this post

Some one work out the average away attendance that came to us and compare it to our average away attendance ffs
that should give the real truth
could also do it for all clubs if bored

Annis.
It's true we have lost a lot of hardcore fans, and the rebrand and the end of Valley Rams both had a huge bearing on our numbers.
But......this table is flawed. Every other team has 5 or more clubs within touching distance, whereas we have 1.
Travelling times for most clubs are tiny compared to ours.
Exceptions are Newcastle, who are enormous, and Brighton, who are chasing promotion AND have London a train stop away.
Add to this the fact we are playing for nothing and it all becomes clear.
A true refection is to compare how mant come to Cardiff and vice versa. In most cases, we compare well.

Yes I agree we have some further distances to travel, never doubted that for one minute, but years ago distance did not matter to our away support we travelled everywhere, loved it.

But nowadays we can't even sell out Reading,Wolves,Birmingham,Bristol City away. We use to sell qpr away out just for fun,so yes we have lost our once proud away support.

As to distance Plymouth,Carlisle,Grimsby,Exeter, Bristol Rovers,Pompey etc their fans don't seem to moan and even clubs like Bristol Rovers will take 400 away fans on a Tuesday night, where we will barely take 150 fans there on a Tuesday night.

My point and truth is,we have lost a lot of our hardcore away support and not many are saying its the truth, instead some are coming up with every excuse going. I don't see any other clubs fans saying that.

Annis.
It's true we have lost a lot of hardcore fans, and the rebrand and the end of Valley Rams both had a huge bearing on our numbers.
But......this table is flawed. Every other team has 5 or more clubs within touching distance, whereas we have 1.
Travelling times for most clubs are tiny compared to ours.
Exceptions are Newcastle, who are enormous, and Brighton, who are chasing promotion AND have London a train stop away.
Add to this the fact we are playing for nothing and it all becomes clear.
A true refection is to compare how mant come to Cardiff and vice versa. In most cases, we compare well.

Too sensible this post

So Wez, you finally admit then,that we lost some of our hardcore away support due to the Rebrand

I used to enjoy games away but this season haven't done any reason being that living in eastern side of city and not driving anymore travelling to stadium for coach is a big problem not going but coming back late at night involves getting taxi across city which adds to cost of the day which when totalled amounts to nearly £100 per trip that over season adds up to £2300 just for league games and when you have pension off £6000 a year that become impossible.Then there are fans who have young family to support now that they didn't have back in day so their priorities have changed ,Let's not forget we can't all afford to do today what we did back then

There are loads of factors why our away support has dwindled over the last 10 years. The main reason was the demise of the valley Rams who used to put on and organise loads of coaches for virtually every game

SInce then we have had the Rebrand, Shite Managers, uninspiring football etc

People can also blame cost, travel restrictions, not many local Derbys all sorts of excuses....but I think the main reason is probably a mixture of all the above and it hurts me to say it but people like myself who used to go away regularly have just lost interest and can't be bothered.

The one light at the end of the tunnel is that over the last few months the away support has picked up considerably and myself and mates are already planning a few away trips for next season.

I think it's a sign of the times, and modern football is changing. I have been saying for a while now that football is attracting a different type of fan to me and many others on here. It is getting more and more expensive, and an away match is not a cheap day out, particularly if you are responsible for a couple of youngsters who like to travel with you. I am not sure that football is aimed at the working class any more. The re-brand has played a part, but is not the only reason for this decline. We took plenty of fans to away matches when we were in the bottom divisions, and I expect there are people on this forum who will remember us taking six or seven thousand if I remember correctly (may have been more) to Scunthorpe in a div 3 match. Not sure Geography is a big reason for the decline as Cardiff is still in the same part of the UK as it was many years back. Not sure what the main reason is, but I think cost plays a part, and the younger generation have plenty of other things available to them that we never had in the past. As players and agents earn more and more, football might end up pricing itself out of the game.

I think it's a sign of the times, and modern football is changing. I have been saying for a while now that football is attracting a different type of fan to me and many others on here. It is getting more and more expensive, and an away match is not a cheap day out, particularly if you are responsible for a couple of youngsters who like to travel with you. I am not sure that football is aimed at the working class any more. The re-brand has played a part, but is not the only reason for this decline. We took plenty of fans to away matches when we were in the bottom divisions, and I expect there are people on this forum who will remember us taking six or seven thousand if I remember correctly (may have been more) to Scunthorpe in a div 3 match. Not sure Geography is a big reason for the decline as Cardiff is still in the same part of the UK as it was many years back. Not sure what the main reason is, but I think cost plays a part, and the younger generation have plenty of other things available to them that we never had in the past. As players and agents earn more and more, football might end up pricing itself out of the game.

Steve, Spot on about miles/distance, City fans have travelled in their thousands to York, Hartlepool, Scunthorpe,Darlington, Newcastle, Middlesborough, Sheffield United.

Yes its not just the Rebrand,many of our new type of modern fan seems to not want to travel away with City short distances and not many at all to the long distances and many of our older fans have now moved on after the despicable years of the rebrand etc.

For me and many others we would love travelling up North etc


Pompey,Carlisle,Plymouth,Grimsby,Doncaster fans etc have long journeys, they don't care one bit and still travel in their thousands despite lower league football,but I think a lot of their fans from our days still go in big numbers.

Here goes. First figure is what we took away and second figure is what they brought to CCS....

BIRMINGHAM 1803/1497
QPR 1852/854
BLACKBURN 261/222
FULHAM 1082/902
READING 2348/920
NORWICH 302/1120
PRESTON 203/180
LEEDS 430/1820
ROTHERHAM 385/150
DERBY 308/520
BURTON 1210/410
BRISTOL C 2080/2083
VILLA 2419/3358
BRIGHTON 408/1258
IPSWICH 229/700
WOLVES 1397/702
BARNSLEY 174/510
BRENTFORD 1103/1150

I've only listed the games where we have had both home and away fixtures. In all honesty its not too bad on this evidence.

I think the poor football served on us by OLe, SLade , Trolls dented our following.
Add to that the in house fighting amongst our fans, some people at away matches picked on just because they wore the red shirt... Despicable behaviour from what are supposed to be fans of same club..
Hopefully next season our away support will pick up, leave behind the negative of the past.. Cheer on the team... And promotion push