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Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...

Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:44 am

Sven wrote:
Mr Ducie wrote:Would you take it in the summer ?

I think with add ons he's worth that, and I would be inclined to pay off a bit of debt and reinvest in the team. To compete we need to sell one development player a season.

Opinions




Give the boy some leeway to develop first! :roll:

Plucking figures from thin air and then surmising at best! :banghead:



Yes that's tight, it's called hypothetical... it's what message boards are for right?

Just like ian Walsh and Rob Phillips....it's a opinion based debate.

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...

Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:31 am

RV Casual wrote:I love this site, always good for a laugh at times, £7 Million :lol: :lol: :lol: , he's not worth £700,000 yet, he would need to do it consistently for a couple of season's before he was worth anything remotely close to that.

It's only a month or so ago the majority of our fans thought we would have to pay to get rid of him and that our squad as a whole was worth no more than £1.5-£2 Million. Fast forward a month and we have a £7 million player on our hands :laughing5:



kodija had a good season and a bit and went for 15m why not zohore

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...

Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:03 am

Reza wrote:
RV Casual wrote:I love this site, always good for a laugh at times, £7 Million :lol: :lol: :lol: , he's not worth £700,000 yet, he would need to do it consistently for a couple of season's before he was worth anything remotely close to that.

It's only a month or so ago the majority of our fans thought we would have to pay to get rid of him and that our squad as a whole was worth no more than £1.5-£2 Million. Fast forward a month and we have a £7 million player on our hands :laughing5:



kodija had a good season and a bit and went for 15m why not zohore


A bit of common sense :ayatollah:

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:05 am

Joff, Look what happened with Rudy Gustede, no one rated him. In football anything can happen and just look at Zohore now he's unbelievable :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...

Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:51 pm

RV Casual wrote:I love this site, always good for a laugh at times, £7 Million :lol: :lol: :lol: , he's not worth £700,000 yet, he would need to do it consistently for a couple of season's before he was worth anything remotely close to that.

It's only a month or so ago the majority of our fans thought we would have to pay to get rid of him and that our squad as a whole was worth no more than £1.5-£2 Million. Fast forward a month and we have a £7 million player on our hands :laughing5:



if someone sees something in a player the rise can be rapid..
howarth, ramsey, gunter. ?

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:05 pm

I know people are stating how the value of a player can rise quickly on the back of a good season, but so far Zohore has had about six good games. If he shows the same consistency over 46 games fair enough. He could turn out to be a good one, but too early for me to judge on the back of half a dozen good games compared to what went on before. Now he is starting to show some promise, he will have to get used to teams knowing what he is all about, and it's how he deals with that is going to decide how much his value increases. Looking good, but still a way to go.

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:35 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Joff, Look what happened with Rudy Gustede, no one rated him. In football anything can happen and just look at Zohore now he's unbelievable :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

I see more in Zohore than ruddy, the club could of found a real gem ,but I hope we keep him and he scores loads for us

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:52 pm

He,s not even our player, he's on loan to us. The Belgium side which is owned by Tan own him so we couldn't sell him, but they could :thumbup: :bluebird:

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:58 pm

Blueboys1927 wrote:He,s not even our player, he's on loan to us. The Belgium side which is owned by Tan own him so we couldn't sell him, but they could :thumbup: :bluebird:

He's not on loan ,his signing was made permanent in the summer

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:44 pm

Blueboys1927 wrote:He,s not even our player, he's on loan to us. The Belgium side which is owned by Tan own him so we couldn't sell him, but they could :thumbup: :bluebird:

Wrong, he was on loan last season & we signed him permanently last summer, he's ours.

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...

Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:15 pm

Mr Ducie wrote:
Sven wrote:
Mr Ducie wrote:Would you take it in the summer ?

I think with add ons he's worth that, and I would be inclined to pay off a bit of debt and reinvest in the team. To compete we need to sell one development player a season.

Opinions




Give the boy some leeway to develop first! :roll:

Plucking figures from thin air and then surmising at best! :banghead:



Yes that's tight, it's called hypothetical... it's what message boards are for right?

Just like ian Walsh and Rob Phillips....it's a opinion based debate.




Ah, so it wasn't an original thought, then? ;) :D

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:47 pm

NW must do all he can to keep him her for a season. If it brings the promotion he craves then Zahore will be in a PL squad.

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...

Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:31 pm

Sven wrote:
Mr Ducie wrote:
Sven wrote:
Mr Ducie wrote:Would you take it in the summer ?

I think with add ons he's worth that, and I would be inclined to pay off a bit of debt and reinvest in the team. To compete we need to sell one development player a season.

Opinions




Give the boy some leeway to develop first! :roll:

Plucking figures from thin air and then surmising at best! :banghead:



Yes that's tight, it's called hypothetical... it's what message boards are for right?

Just like ian Walsh and Rob Phillips....it's a opinion based debate.




Ah, so it wasn't an original thought, then? ;) :D


i was chatting in the match to a friend on his potential valuation ( based on what I originally said in the opening thread, regarding add ons etc ) and then was pleasantly surprised to tune in and pick up what they were chatting about on Radio Wales.

Following on from this, Andy Legg quoted on Radio Wales last night he thought is valuation was now "millions".

Hope that helps.

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:53 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:I know people are stating how the value of a player can rise quickly on the back of a good season, but so far Zohore has had about six good games. If he shows the same consistency over 46 games fair enough. He could turn out to be a good one, but too early for me to judge on the back of half a dozen good games compared to what went on before. Now he is starting to show some promise, he will have to get used to teams knowing what he is all about, and it's how he deals with that is going to decide how much his value increases. Looking good, but still a way to go.


My sentiments exactly Steve, I never said the boy didn't have potential but the OP said would you take £7 million for him in the summer and stated that he thought he was worth it, off the back of six games, if he had said it was a hypothetical question based on Zohore going on to score 15 goals this season and then have a storming start to next season and would you take £7million if someone came in for him in the January transfer window I might not have found it so ridiculous.

Then you have people pointing out Kodija, Hogan, Rhodes etc which I agree does prove that fee's can rise but some of the figures mentioned on here are well wide of the mark. Kodija never went for £15 Million for starters, neither did Hogan as someone has said above, even so, Kodija had been scoring goals in France prior to coming to England and then scored 20 goals in the Championship for a terrible Bristol City side that could well have been in a relegation scrap in previous seasons, very impressive.

As for Hogan, again 71 goals in 146 games tells me the kid is a proven natural goalscorer, 7 goals in 7 games in his first season in the Championship and then 14 goals in 25 games for Brentford, not for a top team, Brentford.

As for Jordan Rhodes, well nobody need's me to tell them that he is absolutely proven and prolific at this level over many seasons.

One last things, a lot of people on here like to use press articles when it suits their agenda and ridicule them when it doesnt, there is a website www.transfermarkt.co.uk which was proclaimed by many to be like the holy bible of true transfer values and it was also said by many with cast iron certainty that the figures quoted also include the players wages as that's how the deals work these days said the Football experts amongst us when people started getting a bit annoyed that Lex Immers had been released for free despite apparently being signed for £2million the previous summer.

Well according to the 'bible' Hogan went for £8.93 Million, a figure that will also include his wages and on a four and a half year contract so if he is on £20,000 a year, half of that is his wages so his transfer fee would have been about £3.5-4.5 Million with 30% going to Rochdale.

Kodija, £10,97 Millon on a four year contract, so again, assuming he was on the same kind of money his actual transfer fee would have been around £5million.

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:16 pm

RV Casual wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:I know people are stating how the value of a player can rise quickly on the back of a good season, but so far Zohore has had about six good games. If he shows the same consistency over 46 games fair enough. He could turn out to be a good one, but too early for me to judge on the back of half a dozen good games compared to what went on before. Now he is starting to show some promise, he will have to get used to teams knowing what he is all about, and it's how he deals with that is going to decide how much his value increases. Looking good, but still a way to go.


My sentiments exactly Steve, I never said the boy didn't have potential but the OP said would you take £7 million for him in the summer and stated that he thought he was worth it, off the back of six games, if he had said it was a hypothetical question based on Zohore going on to score 15 goals this season and then have a storming start to next season and would you take £7million if someone came in for him in the January transfer window I might not have found it so ridiculous.

Then you have people pointing out Kodija, Hogan, Rhodes etc which I agree does prove that fee's can rise but some of the figures mentioned on here are well wide of the mark. Kodija never went for £15 Million for starters, neither did Hogan as someone has said above, even so, Kodija had been scoring goals in France prior to coming to England and then scored 20 goals in the Championship for a terrible Bristol City side that could well have been in a relegation scrap in previous seasons, very impressive.

As for Hogan, again 71 goals in 146 games tells me the kid is a proven natural goalscorer, 7 goals in 7 games in his first season in the Championship and then 14 goals in 25 games for Brentford, not for a top team, Brentford.

As for Jordan Rhodes, well nobody need's me to tell them that he is absolutely proven and prolific at this level over many seasons.

One last things, a lot of people on here like to use press articles when it suits their agenda and ridicule them when it doesnt, there is a website http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk which was proclaimed by many to be like the holy bible of true transfer values and it was also said by many with cast iron certainty that the figures quoted also include the players wages as that's how the deals work these days said the Football experts amongst us when people started getting a bit annoyed that Lex Immers had been released for free despite apparently being signed for £2million the previous summer.

Well according to the 'bible' Hogan went for £8.93 Million, a figure that will also include his wages and on a four and a half year contract so if he is on £20,000 a year, half of that is his wages so his transfer fee would have been about £3.5-4.5 Million with 30% going to Rochdale.

Kodija, £10,97 Millon on a four year contract, so again, assuming he was on the same kind of money his actual transfer fee would have been around £5million.



Your post has fair and valid points in fairness, but from my perspective, my original post was an assumption. To date I don't think we have received bid for K Z yet.

With regards to the transfer fees of the aforementioned,nobody knows how the actual breakdown of the fees were packaged.

That said, what I do know is the figure for Hogan you quoted did not include the 30% sell on clause to Rochdale.

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:48 pm

Mr Ducie wrote:
RV Casual wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:I know people are stating how the value of a player can rise quickly on the back of a good season, but so far Zohore has had about six good games. If he shows the same consistency over 46 games fair enough. He could turn out to be a good one, but too early for me to judge on the back of half a dozen good games compared to what went on before. Now he is starting to show some promise, he will have to get used to teams knowing what he is all about, and it's how he deals with that is going to decide how much his value increases. Looking good, but still a way to go.


My sentiments exactly Steve, I never said the boy didn't have potential but the OP said would you take £7 million for him in the summer and stated that he thought he was worth it, off the back of six games, if he had said it was a hypothetical question based on Zohore going on to score 15 goals this season and then have a storming start to next season and would you take £7million if someone came in for him in the January transfer window I might not have found it so ridiculous.

Then you have people pointing out Kodija, Hogan, Rhodes etc which I agree does prove that fee's can rise but some of the figures mentioned on here are well wide of the mark. Kodija never went for £15 Million for starters, neither did Hogan as someone has said above, even so, Kodija had been scoring goals in France prior to coming to England and then scored 20 goals in the Championship for a terrible Bristol City side that could well have been in a relegation scrap in previous seasons, very impressive.

As for Hogan, again 71 goals in 146 games tells me the kid is a proven natural goalscorer, 7 goals in 7 games in his first season in the Championship and then 14 goals in 25 games for Brentford, not for a top team, Brentford.

As for Jordan Rhodes, well nobody need's me to tell them that he is absolutely proven and prolific at this level over many seasons.

One last things, a lot of people on here like to use press articles when it suits their agenda and ridicule them when it doesnt, there is a website http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk which was proclaimed by many to be like the holy bible of true transfer values and it was also said by many with cast iron certainty that the figures quoted also include the players wages as that's how the deals work these days said the Football experts amongst us when people started getting a bit annoyed that Lex Immers had been released for free despite apparently being signed for £2million the previous summer.

Well according to the 'bible' Hogan went for £8.93 Million, a figure that will also include his wages and on a four and a half year contract so if he is on £20,000 a year, half of that is his wages so his transfer fee would have been about £3.5-4.5 Million with 30% going to Rochdale.

Kodija, £10,97 Millon on a four year contract, so again, assuming he was on the same kind of money his actual transfer fee would have been around £5million.



Your post has fair and valid points in fairness, but from my perspective, my original post was an assumption. To date I don't think we have received bid for K Z yet.

With regards to the transfer fees of the aforementioned,nobody knows how the actual breakdown of the fees were packaged.

That said, what I do know is the figure for Hogan you quoted did not include the 30% sell on clause to Rochdale.



It's just opinions at the end of the day mate and never personal, if I came across like I was being dismissive of you or laughing at your opinion I will apoligise as I would never intentionally want to come across like that, I love a good debate and long may it continue, when all is said and done we are all Cardiff through and through at the end of the day :thumbup:

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:44 pm

norms76 wrote:
Blueboys1927 wrote:He,s not even our player, he's on loan to us. The Belgium side which is owned by Tan own him so we couldn't sell him, but they could :thumbup: :bluebird:

Wrong, he was on loan last season & we signed him permanently last summer, he's ours.


Cheers :thumbup:

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:46 pm

The club would sell if it was anything over 2 million.

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:16 pm

Awwwww silly season come early... :lol: :occasion5:

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:49 pm

AJ1927 wrote:Awwwww silly season come early... :lol: :occasion5:


Really ?

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...

Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:51 pm

RV Casual wrote:I love this site, always good for a laugh at times, £7 Million :lol: :lol: :lol: , he's not worth £700,000 yet, he would need to do it consistently for a couple of season's before he was worth anything remotely close to that.

It's only a month or so ago the majority of our fans thought we would have to pay to get rid of him and that our squad as a whole was worth no more than £1.5-£2 Million. Fast forward a month and we have a £7 million player on our hands :laughing5:



Hmmmm

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:57 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:The club would sell if it was anything over 2 million.


Steve I'm on the disrespect level as you regardig the club and its board. However even they are not stupid enough to sell Zohore for £2m.

£7m and he is gone.

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:10 pm

Mr Ducie wrote:Would you take it in the summer ?

I think with add ons he's worth that, and I would be inclined to pay off a bit of debt and reinvest in the team. To compete we need to sell one development player a season.

Opinions



Joff
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=185895 :thumbright: :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird:

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...

Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:47 pm

Mr Ducie wrote:
RV Casual wrote:I love this site, always good for a laugh at times, £7 Million :lol: :lol: :lol: , he's not worth £700,000 yet, he would need to do it consistently for a couple of season's before he was worth anything remotely close to that.

It's only a month or so ago the majority of our fans thought we would have to pay to get rid of him and that our squad as a whole was worth no more than £1.5-£2 Million. Fast forward a month and we have a £7 million player on our hands :laughing5:



Hmmmm



You have lost me mate? Has anyone bid £7 million for Zohore then? If they have, fair play, you were bang on.

I know Hull have reportedly made an offer, and come back with an improved one but I can't see any figures quoted anywhere.

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...

Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:55 pm

KBK-13 wrote:Not sure, but I would've taken £7 for him 2 months ago

In May??? :lol: :thumbup:

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:59 pm

If he scores the goals to take us up he'll be worth £100m to the Club. Let's see how he goes this season. If he stays fit for the whole season there's every chance he could get 20 goals for us. :bluescarf:

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:11 pm

I know following Cardiff City F. C. can be a crazy roller-coaster ride but do you honestly think we will sell any more season tickets if we part company with fans favourite Kenneth Zohore cos I don't and I think the Club will realise that too. Can't see him going anywhere at this moment in time.

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...

Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:27 am

RV Casual wrote:I love this site, always good for a laugh at times, £7 Million :lol: :lol: :lol: , he's not worth £700,000 yet, he would need to do it consistently for a couple of season's before he was worth anything remotely close to that.

It's only a month or so ago the majority of our fans thought we would have to pay to get rid of him and that our squad as a whole was worth no more than £1.5-£2 Million. Fast forward a month and we have a £7 million player on our hands :laughing5:




:clap:

Re: £7Million BID FOR ZOHORE...??

Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:47 am

Mr Ducie wrote:Would you take it in the summer ?

I think with add ons he's worth that, and I would be inclined to pay off a bit of debt and reinvest in the team. To compete we need to sell one development player a season.

Opinions



Joff :thumbright: :bluebird: