Updated ' Bradford City Look After their Fans again '

Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.

For CCFC to reduce its season ticket prices to the levels Annis quotes above would be financial suicide, because our club`s cost structure is totally different to theirs. At Championship level , their cost base would go up considerably as well.

In season 2014/15 , which is the latest set of accounts currently on the public record, CCFC`s average attendance was 21,147 and that generated total match day income of just under £5.7m for the whole season , which is an average of £268 per person attending (including all match day spend , not just the net ticket price). Without a debt write off of £13m by the owner and an accounting adjustment of another £13m , the club would have lost about £22m that season.

Last season , our crowds were well under 21,147 , so gate money would have been greatly reduced from 2014/15 levels.

People in this thread are suggesting an adult season ticket price of £200 , which is only £167 for the club after taking out v.a.t. so even if crowds went up to 21,000+ at those average prices , season ticket income would only be £3.5m, so £2.2m down on the 2014/15 figure. How would that difference be made up?

Sense on this thread at last.

I think our prices are fair but some people want prices from the 1990's.

If people can't afford modern football it's unfortunate but like all walks of life you have to prioritise to live your life and look after your family.

Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.

For CCFC to reduce its season ticket prices to the levels Annis quotes above would be financial suicide, because our club`s cost structure is totally different to theirs. At Championship level , their cost base would go up considerably as well.

In season 2014/15 , which is the latest set of accounts currently on the public record, CCFC`s average attendance was 21,147 and that generated total match day income of just under £5.7m for the whole season , which is an average of £268 per person attending (including all match day spend , not just the net ticket price). Without a debt write off of £13m by the owner and an accounting adjustment of another £13m , the club would have lost about £22m that season.

Last season , our crowds were well under 21,147 , so gate money would have been greatly reduced from 2014/15 levels.

People in this thread are suggesting an adult season ticket price of £200 , which is only £167 for the club after taking out v.a.t. so even if crowds went up to 21,000+ at those average prices , season ticket income would only be £3.5m, so £2.2m down on the 2014/15 figure. How would that difference be made up?

In increased merchandise and food outlets? I've said it's unsustainable but most simply want prices to be affordable to more people and have a full stadium! !

Of course no club would need to generate these massive amounts if players were paid a sensible wage which related to the amount of work they do. I know I am old fashioned, but if players were paid their true value, it would be less than half the salary that the surgeon who may one day save your life is paid. Football would become affordable to nearly everybody again.

' Bradford City Look After their Fans again '

I have to say well done to their club

Bradford currently have 17,500 season ticket holders, they hope to increase this next season.

£149 Adults

Updated

£99 for 11-16 years old

When is this article from Annis?

I only ask because a quick look at the Bradford City official website says their season ticket prices for this season are £299 for adults and £199 for juniors.

Keith,
I belong to Bradford City's Facebook Group, like I do with all clubs, I watch their Support etc.

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' Bradford City Look After their Fans again '

I have to say well done to their club

Bradford currently have 17,500 season ticket holders, they hope to increase this next season.

£149 Adults

Updated

£99 for 11-16 years old

When is this article from Annis?

I only ask because a quick look at the Bradford City official website says their season ticket prices for this season are £299 for adults and £199 for juniors.

Keith,
I belong to Bradford City's Facebook Group, like I do with all clubs, I watch their Support etc.

Thanks

Wasn't doubting the figures, just couldn't see any reference to them on their clubs official website.
Those "early bird" prices are great for their fans but simply couldn't hope to apply them at CCFC as it would lose the club a fortune.

' Bradford City Look After their Fans again '

I have to say well done to their club

Bradford currently have 17,500 season ticket holders, they hope to increase this next season.

£149 Adults

Updated

£99 for 11-16 years old

When is this article from Annis?

I only ask because a quick look at the Bradford City official website says their season ticket prices for this season are £299 for adults and £199 for juniors.

Keith,
I belong to Bradford City's Facebook Group, like I do with all clubs, I watch their Support etc.

Thanks

Wasn't doubting the figures, just couldn't see any reference to them on their clubs official website.
Those "early bird" prices are great for their fans but simply couldn't hope to apply them at CCFC as it would lose the club a fortune.

Your welcome Keith, remember I don't think Bradford City are in debt,they've been run well by their current owner

' Bradford City Look After their Fans again '

I have to say well done to their club

Bradford currently have 17,500 season ticket holders, they hope to increase this next season.

£149 Adults

Updated

£99 for 11-16 years old

When is this article from Annis?

I only ask because a quick look at the Bradford City official website says their season ticket prices for this season are £299 for adults and £199 for juniors.

Keith,
I belong to Bradford City's Facebook Group, like I do with all clubs, I watch their Support etc.

Thanks

Wasn't doubting the figures, just couldn't see any reference to them on their clubs official website.
Those "early bird" prices are great for their fans but simply couldn't hope to apply them at CCFC as it would lose the club a fortune.

Your welcome Keith, remember I don't think Bradford City are in debt,they've been run well by their current owner

Annis if interested the prices I quoted earlier in this post was from official site as of May 2016 For 2016/17 season the other ones quoted by Keith are relevant after season started .I believe

' Bradford City Look After their Fans again '

I have to say well done to their club

Bradford currently have 17,500 season ticket holders, they hope to increase this next season.

£149 Adults

Updated

£99 for 11-16 years old

When is this article from Annis?

I only ask because a quick look at the Bradford City official website says their season ticket prices for this season are £299 for adults and £199 for juniors.

Keith,
I belong to Bradford City's Facebook Group, like I do with all clubs, I watch their Support etc.

Thanks

Wasn't doubting the figures, just couldn't see any reference to them on their clubs official website.
Those "early bird" prices are great for their fans but simply couldn't hope to apply them at CCFC as it would lose the club a fortune.

Your welcome Keith, remember I don't think Bradford City are in debt,they've been run well by their current owner

Annis if interested the prices I quoted earlier in this post was from official site as of May 2016 For 2016/17 season the other ones quoted by Keith are relevant after season started .I believe

Cheers Allan

Yes they are cheaper than ours and yes their revenue from merchandise and food will be higher as both go direct to their club

' Bradford City Look After their Fans again '

I have to say well done to their club

Bradford currently have 17,500 season ticket holders, they hope to increase this next season.

£149 Adults

Updated

£99 for 11-16 years old

When is this article from Annis?

I only ask because a quick look at the Bradford City official website says their season ticket prices for this season are £299 for adults and £199 for juniors.

Keith,
I belong to Bradford City's Facebook Group, like I do with all clubs, I watch their Support etc.

Thanks

Wasn't doubting the figures, just couldn't see any reference to them on their clubs official website.
Those "early bird" prices are great for their fans but simply couldn't hope to apply them at CCFC as it would lose the club a fortune.

Your welcome Keith, remember I don't think Bradford City are in debt,they've been run well by their current owner

Annis if interested the prices I quoted earlier in this post was from official site as of May 2016 For 2016/17 season the other ones quoted by Keith are relevant after season started .I believe

Cheers Allan

Yes they are cheaper than ours and yes their revenue from merchandise and food will be higher as both go direct to their club

Annis if it works for them that's great more clubs should do it to! But as I've tried to say on here it won't work for us long term yes will get lot more fans initially but as Keith said total different circumstances and will lose valuable income that we cannot afford to lose.

Like I said our season tickets should be at least 500 more money for transfer committee to piss away. And we don't want Nt our players struggling on 50000 or 10000 a week

Is it me or does anyone else find it sad that it comes to exciting signings or a turn of good form to commit a couple of bob to see the team you LOVE for a season?

Surely that's not what it's about. The prices we are offering there should be no excuses for some.

Is it me or does anyone else find it sad that it comes to exciting signings or a turn of good form to commit a couple of bob to see the team you LOVE for a season?

Surely that's not what it's about. The prices we are offering there should be no excuses for some.

Dando, We finally agree on something your spot on Our fans paid top prices in the Premier League week in week out,nowadays every excuse is made not to buy a season ticket or to turn up.

Of course there are genuine reasons for some, but not 12,000 plus fans all having genuine reasons not turn up and support the club your suppose to love.

You either support you club or you don't

Is it me or does anyone else find it sad that it comes to exciting signings or a turn of good form to commit a couple of bob to see the team you LOVE for a season?

Surely that's not what it's about. The prices we are offering there should be no excuses for some.

Dando, We finally agree on something your spot on Our fans paid top prices in the Premier League week in week out,nowadays every excuse is made not to buy a season ticket or to turn up.

Of course there are genuine reasons for some, but not 12,000 plus fans all having genuine reasons not turn up and support the club your suppose to love.

You either support you club or you don't

That's why I said some because I didn't want to offend anyone who may have genuine reasons. I had a season ticket in Slades first season along with others and we can all agree bar a turn around in coming end of that season with Trollope involved behind the scenes it was a drab season but you still turn up week in week out because it's your club and you'll support them no matter what the mood is like on the field or off the field.

I always say it and Tan and co made some really horrible decisions for this club and this club was in a dark place off the field with supporters against each other but just really happy that they did see sense and reverse the whole thing because there was times that we was saying it will be years and years until the club would go back to blue and that would be under a new owner at the time the rebrand happened.

Whatever the reasons are for Tan and co making these good decisions now if it's if they want to get out of the club ASAP bugger it because we got our club back and this our club. So many offers for some games this season trying to get the crowds up you can't fault the effort from the people behind the scene at this club.. it's a shame we can't do much to accommodate the away games because it's out of hands in many ways but for the home games the club are trying to make it more affordable by firstly dropping the prices down which is where the problems lie in the game in the UK.

Is it me or does anyone else find it sad that it comes to exciting signings or a turn of good form to commit a couple of bob to see the team you LOVE for a season?

Surely that's not what it's about. The prices we are offering there should be no excuses for some.

Dando, We finally agree on something your spot on Our fans paid top prices in the Premier League week in week out,nowadays every excuse is made not to buy a season ticket or to turn up.

Of course there are genuine reasons for some, but not 12,000 plus fans all having genuine reasons not turn up and support the club your suppose to love.

You either support you club or you don't

You just answered your own question Annis, when you say 'our fans' paid top prices in the Premier League week in week out I would argue that its not entirely true.

For sure, people did pay top dollar to watch us in the Premier League, but were they fans or 'eventists'? for me clearly they were not fans of Cardiff City Football Club judging by how quickly they have ditched us, they were there purely for the Premier League, this is why we will never be a big Club as South Wales is full of these types of people, its proven through history including recent.

Pay as you go is the way and a few freebies thrown in the mix. 6 games a seadon max now and merchandise. Loyalty my arse, the club can shove it.

Is it me or does anyone else find it sad that it comes to exciting signings or a turn of good form to commit a couple of bob to see the team you LOVE for a season?

Surely that's not what it's about. The prices we are offering there should be no excuses for some.

its not just you. ive always regarded myself as a SUPORTER. as in suporting the club i love. going to games, buying STs when i knew id only be able to attend a dozen games, buying merchandise to the best of my ability.
the prices are not just fair but very fair.

plus all the figures regarding how much better off we could be are flawed.

Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.

It's working for Bradford and it's building up regular big crowds now for years, I think they average 20,000 fans and No real success.
The return is massive in merchandise and adevertising etc

We hold 33,500 I think we would get 20,000 season ticket holders at prices say £199.00 for Adults and £50 for kids.
We would then be looking at 25,000 plus crowds

I completely agree mate, I don't see how the Club could possibly lose, its a winner all round

we have an average of almost 5k non ST holders each game, its not the same 5k every week , its 15-20k different people watching 6 or 7 games per season and its this pool { people who already spend more than a £120 a year }are those most likely to buy the cheap STS. so you might gain 50 quid each on average but lose 125 quid on the existing 11k ST holders.

but besides this i think its a time when Cardiff fans should be looking to do all they can to suport our club .
i see your point about getting the stadium full but even that isnt a gimme as we saw in Slades 1st season with as many as 5k not turning up to watch games they had tickets for.

Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.

It's working for Bradford and it's building up regular big crowds now for years, I think they average 20,000 fans and No real success.
The return is massive in merchandise and adevertising etc

We hold 33,500 I think we would get 20,000 season ticket holders at prices say £199.00 for Adults and £50 for kids.
We would then be looking at 25,000 plus crowds

I completely agree mate, I don't see how the Club could possibly lose, its a winner all round

we have an average of almost 5k non ST holders each game, its not the same 5k every week , its 15-20k different people watching 6 or 7 games per season and its this pool { people who already spend more than a £120 a year }are those most likely to buy the cheap STS. so you might gain 50 quid each on average but lose 125 quid on the existing 11k ST holders.

but besides this i think its a time when Cardiff fans should be looking to do all they can to suport our club .
i see your point about getting the stadium full but even that isnt a gimme as we saw in Slades 1st season with as many as 5k not turning up to watch games they had tickets for.

I'll re-mortgage my house so I can pay the wages of one player for a couple of weeks.

Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.

It's working for Bradford and it's building up regular big crowds now for years, I think they average 20,000 fans and No real success.
The return is massive in merchandise and adevertising etc

We hold 33,500 I think we would get 20,000 season ticket holders at prices say £199.00 for Adults and £50 for kids.
We would then be looking at 25,000 plus crowds

I completely agree mate, I don't see how the Club could possibly lose, its a winner all round

we have an average of almost 5k non ST holders each game, its not the same 5k every week , its 15-20k different people watching 6 or 7 games per season and its this pool { people who already spend more than a £120 a year }are those most likely to buy the cheap STS. so you might gain 50 quid each on average but lose 125 quid on the existing 11k ST holders.

but besides this i think its a time when Cardiff fans should be looking to do all they can to suport our club .
i see your point about getting the stadium full but even that isnt a gimme as we saw in Slades 1st season with as many as 5k not turning up to watch games they had tickets for.

I'll re-mortgage my house so I can pay the wages of one player for a couple of weeks.

or maybe one less trip to watch te orlando lolipops ..12 quid wat a total rip off ..to buy a ST
its your money to spend as you wish mate..but get real. 300 in this day and age is reasonable especially if your someone that knows football finance as you say you do.{you were directly involved in Cardiffs finances}

Annis, Its astonishing how many of our fans on here seem to be totally against our Club doing similar, something I just can't understand to be honest.

It's working for Bradford and it's building up regular big crowds now for years, I think they average 20,000 fans and No real success.
The return is massive in merchandise and adevertising etc

We hold 33,500 I think we would get 20,000 season ticket holders at prices say £199.00 for Adults and £50 for kids.
We would then be looking at 25,000 plus crowds

I completely agree mate, I don't see how the Club could possibly lose, its a winner all round

we have an average of almost 5k non ST holders each game, its not the same 5k every week , its 15-20k different people watching 6 or 7 games per season and its this pool { people who already spend more than a £120 a year }are those most likely to buy the cheap STS. so you might gain 50 quid each on average but lose 125 quid on the existing 11k ST holders.

but besides this i think its a time when Cardiff fans should be looking to do all they can to suport our club .
i see your point about getting the stadium full but even that isnt a gimme as we saw in Slades 1st season with as many as 5k not turning up to watch games they had tickets for.

I'll re-mortgage my house so I can pay the wages of one player for a couple of weeks.

or maybe one less trip to watch te orlando lolipops ..12 quid wat a total rip off ..to buy a ST
its your money to spend as you wish mate..but get real. 300 in this day and age is reasonable especially if your someone that knows football finance as you say you do.{you were directly involved in Cardiffs finances}

My main gripe is that there is no need for players and agents to get ridiculously rich on the back of working class people. As far as I am concerned, footballing costs are getting way out of hand, and for people who love the sport, they are seeing their sky sports subscriptions going up on a frequent basis as well as forking out a fair bit of money if they want to watch the side they support. Not aimed at Cardiff in particular, aimed at the sport. Most of us loved the game enough to play in all weather for nothing, to get paid for doing something you love must be a great feeling, but no player is worth the weekly wage some of these players are getting. Everyone has a choice of how to spend their money, but I feel sorry for those who used to be able to afford their Saturday fix, but no longer go because of the cost.

So you think £13 a match is being ripped off

So you think £13 a match is being ripped off

I did say that my complaint was'nt aimed at Cardiff in particular, and for one person paying £13 each time they attended i would say that is reasonable. If like me you are buying season tickets for two adults and two, possibly three juniors, the lump sum payable for season tickets mounts up. I will almost certainly be forking out, but I have friends and family who will struggle to afford it. Many of these were regulars back in the days when you did'nt even think twice about about the cost, it was about the same as a pint of beer. The problem is, costs are only going to rise, as long as fans are happy to pay, clubs will charge as much as they think they can get away with. With everyone desperate for success, wages will keep going up, the cost of buying players will keep going up, and we will pay whether it be through television monthly payments, match tickets or both. If leagues like China are going to pay ridiculous sums, we won't be far behind.

Steve while as you say people are being priced out of going, there are signs that fans have had enough eg away price £20 is enough campaign! As for China All that will do is move high wages/transfers to there, If you go back before premier league Italy / Spain had huge transfers & wages now it's premier with them? While in Europe it's only couple really big clubs can afford high costs, personally think sky may not raise next contract due to competition from BT ect and losing subscribers , resulting in wages transfers stabilising ?, but only time will tell on that score.

moving away from the anti modern football.
this thread has been along the lines of comparing our ST prices with Huddersfield and Bradford ,in all fairness both schemes have worked really well but neither of these clubs would have touched the schemes with a barge pole had their average crowds been our 16k last season,let alone the 22k average for this decade so far prior to reductions
if you were to compare our prices with clubs who over the last few years have averaged similar to us..Leeds.Sheff Weds..notts forest. ours are relatively cheap.