" Last nights meeting "

So we can put this nonsense of him not getting backed to bed now?

We would all like to think so. NW knows the players he wants and probably how much they will cost in wages/fees. If he can clear out the deadwood then that in theory should give him some wriggle room to bring in his own players.

The big question is whether there is funding on top of that amount and can it be accommodated within FFP over the next 3 seasons?

I think the important phrase that will affect Warnock's decision is "if we can clear our deadwood". Like Annis has said at the top, sometimes easier said than done. Hopefully Warnock will be able to weave his magic, he must have many contacts after nearly 150 years in the game.If he is confident he can clear out those that are surplus to requirements, I am reasonably confident he will give us another crack next season. I will be happy when I hear it directly from him, everything is just hearsay and guesswork at the minute.

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

So we can put this nonsense of him not getting backed to bed now?

We would all like to think so. NW knows the players he wants and probably how much they will cost in wages/fees. If he can clear out the deadwood then that in theory should give him some wriggle room to bring in his own players.

The big question is whether there is funding on top of that amount and can it be accommodated within FFP over the next 3 seasons?

I think the important phrase that will affect Warnock's decision is "if we can clear our deadwood". Like Annis has said at the top, sometimes easier said than done. Hopefully Warnock will be able to weave his magic, he must have many contacts after nearly 150 years in the game.If he is confident he can clear out those that are surplus to requirements, I am reasonably confident he will give us another crack next season. I will be happy when I hear it directly from him, everything is just hearsay and guesswork at the minute.

In other words you agree with my post I fully understand what you have said and like I previously stated I think the footballing Gods have rebranded back to blue because this summer we have a hell of a lot of deadwood who are out of contract.

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

Sounds like Neil Warnock will be backed to bring in his own players subject to wage demands, minimal (but not zero) transfer fees and moving a few players out

We all know the score with regard to finances at the club, so we should be happy if that was to occur and Neil Warnock states (come August) that he is "happy" with his lot

I fail to see how the club can deny him the opportunity after his recent successes (he was even proven right on the previously much-maligned Zohore saving him £1.5m) and he has now nurtured two or three young players who can become an integral part of the team/squad going forward into next season and beyond

All is needed now is for supporters to show their faith in the manager (if not the owner in some cases) and show him that we all want the same as him...success for Cardiff City FC

So we can put this nonsense of him not getting backed to bed now?

We would all like to think so. NW knows the players he wants and probably how much they will cost in wages/fees. If he can clear out the deadwood then that in theory should give him some wriggle room to bring in his own players.

The big question is whether there is funding on top of that amount and can it be accommodated within FFP over the next 3 seasons?

I think the important phrase that will affect Warnock's decision is "if we can clear our deadwood". Like Annis has said at the top, sometimes easier said than done. Hopefully Warnock will be able to weave his magic, he must have many contacts after nearly 150 years in the game.If he is confident he can clear out those that are surplus to requirements, I am reasonably confident he will give us another crack next season. I will be happy when I hear it directly from him, everything is just hearsay and guesswork at the minute.

In other words you agree with my post I fully understand what you have said and like I previously stated I think the footballing Gods have rebranded back to blue because this summer we have a hell of a lot of deadwood who are out of contract.

You seem surprised I have agreed with one of your posts. It's not the first time, I agreed with you before back in around Dec 2014 I think. We may have struck lucky with some of our poorer signings about to reach the end of their contracts. hopefully will help Warnock get one or two replacements on board.

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

I wouldn't be so sure that they wouldn't take reduced terms. Warnock better understands their worth to us which is unlikely to differ significantly to their worth to others particularly in this country. Their agents may have a different opinion but they would. Whitts current deal will be reflective of our promotion to the premiership - nobodies giving that to Whitts now.
He' likely to ply is trade with the also rans in this division and I don't see many of them offering big. I still think at the right deal he something to offer and I trust in Warnock to have got that deal right.

Much the same can be said of Manga, theres a deal to be had but if he wont take Iit then so be it.

There's not much he can do with Lambert short of someone taking him on loan with us paying 90% plus of his wages. Being a recent England international he just may just get a little Middle East or Far East interest. Unfortunately I still think we end up paying off even if he ended up down that route.

I'm slightly worried we're going to throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not convinced Huws, Saadi, Kennedy and Ajayi have nothing to offer us going forward.

If we give Warnock the touted 6 million and the same wage budget as this year then I'm pretty sure he'd have very good go at promotion. Just as importantly I'm more confident that if we didn't get there we wouldn't be strapped with on going disastrous legacy deals which have killed us in the last couple of years.

Apperently Dalman said all the right things that Warnock wanted to hear if players are off loaded, but massive pressure to get rid of dead wood in June.

I hope Warnock is happy with that?

I want the dead wood gone ASAP But it's easier said than done.

I think this was always the case...and backs up Dalmans comment on the weekend about having to look at the cost base to enable us to give Warnock what he wants.

Hopefully, it won't be that difficult to shift some of the fringe players o Keefe, Huws, ajeya, Wilson and Saddi should be able to find new clubs without taking big pay cuts....Lambert and Fred might be more of a problem!!!

Manga I'm pretty certain won't sign a new contract...but let's be honest although he is a very good player when fit, we don't normally get 20+ games out of him each season with injuries and international commitments.

Same with Whitts fantastic player 5/6 years ago but no more than a fringe player these days

we signed o keefe on a new contract for decent money last august and now he is in a poor lge1 team..Ipswich were only prepared to pay 40% of what we pay Huws. not going to be easy moving them on imo

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

I've heard Warnock doesn't like O'Keefe after an incident at palace. Not sure if it's true but he's completely dismissed his need for him when asked which I find bizarre.

Good thing this time is that the likes of Kennedy, Huws, and Adjeyi are playing well for their clubs. If they keep that up, then we may even get a fee!

I'd like to see Harris, Whitts and Hoilett sign new deals.

But i think Manga, Le fondre, o keefe and saadi will be off the books.

I think lambert will either have to start playing or will retire soon.

That just leaves the club needing to offload Gunongabe and John to clear all those i don't see in warnocks plans.

I think Noone And Zohore have had the kick up the arse that they needed, Warnocks goals on sunday interview was a fantastic insight into the true goings on at the club.

Think Kennedy is still very much in Warnocks plans...the guy has stacks of ability but questionable attitude??

i agree, i might be wrong here but it seemed to me that Warnock made a point of playing him before loaning him out. showing him the door to our 1st team is open ..so go prove youyrself..

Watching Huws going box to box for Ipswich at Leeds makes me think he must have something worth keeping him on for next season.

Lambert is a part of Warnock's plans, assuming we can get him fit. I'd be very surprised if he goes anywhere. Paying up his contract still has to be included in FFP calculations. Remember the vital goals that Helgusson scored during our promotion season. An experienced goal scorer just needs service.

With Warnock (hopefully) in charge during a summer transfer window it'll definately be entertaining.

I don't expect him to get every deal right (in and out) but we'll end up with a better squad than we have now

Lambert is a part of Warnock's plans, assuming we can get him fit. I'd be very surprised if he goes anywhere. Paying up his contract still has to be included in FFP calculations. Remember the vital goals that Helgusson scored during our promotion season. An experienced goal scorer just needs service.

Problem is Lambert will be older again next season, and will be more injury prone if that's possible, and will take even longer to recover. Doubt anyone else will want him, although there is a care home in Llantwit Farde with a vacancy if Warnock can get him there quick enough.

I just wish Lambert would talk to Kenwyne`s agent get 2 year retirement deal in Asia somewhere. Same for Fred, Saadi maybe involve him in Pre Season training before offloading. Declan John must want out at this stage. Hopefully Kadeem And Junior sign new contracts and Whitts accepts a pay cut on rolling one year contract. Maybe NW will have the cop on to put some sell on clauses to anyone he gives away free i.e those currently out on loan.

Lambert is a part of Warnock's plans, assuming we can get him fit. I'd be very surprised if he goes anywhere. Paying up his contract still has to be included in FFP calculations. Remember the vital goals that Helgusson scored during our promotion season. An experienced goal scorer just needs service.

Problem is Lambert will be older again next season, and will be more injury prone if that's possible, and will take even longer to recover. Doubt anyone else will want him, although there is a care home in Llantwit Farde with a vacancy if Warnock can get him there quick enough.

I agree.
Also Helgusson was a completely different player to Lambert. He was a warrior.

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

I wouldn't be so sure that they wouldn't take reduced terms. Warnock better understands their worth to us which is unlikely to differ significantly to their worth to others particularly in this country. Their agents may have a different opinion but they would. Whitts current deal will be reflective of our promotion to the premiership - nobodies giving that to Whitts now.
He' likely to ply is trade with the also rans in this division and I don't see many of them offering big. I still think at the right deal he something to offer and I trust in Warnock to have got that deal right.

Much the same can be said of Manga, theres a deal to be had but if he wont take Iit then so be it.

There's not much he can do with Lambert short of someone taking him on loan with us paying 90% plus of his wages. Being a recent England international he just may just get a little Middle East or Far East interest. Unfortunately I still think we end up paying off even if he ended up down that route.

I'm slightly worried we're going to throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not convinced Huws, Saadi, Kennedy and Ajayi have nothing to offer us going forward.

If we give Warnock the touted 6 million and the same wage budget as this year then I'm pretty sure he'd have very good go at promotion. Just as importantly I'm more confident that if we didn't get there we wouldn't be strapped with on going disastrous legacy deals which have killed us in the last couple of years.

Lambert is on a one year contract and must play a certain number of games to trigger a second year. It seems highly unlikely he will reach that figure and the club also have the option not to pick him any way. So it is very likely he will be leaving in the summer.

As for Whitts and Manga we will have to wait and see but if they stay but if they do it will be on greatly reduced terms.

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

I've heard Warnock doesn't like O'Keefe after an incident at palace. Not sure if it's true but he's completely dismissed his need for him when asked which I find bizarre.

Interesting and would explain a lot.

So we can put this nonsense of him not getting backed to bed now?

We would all like to think so. NW knows the players he wants and probably how much they will cost in wages/fees. If he can clear out the deadwood then that in theory should give him some wriggle room to bring in his own players.

The big question is whether there is funding on top of that amount and can it be accommodated within FFP over the next 3 seasons?

I think the important phrase that will affect Warnock's decision is "if we can clear our deadwood". Like Annis has said at the top, sometimes easier said than done. Hopefully Warnock will be able to weave his magic, he must have many contacts after nearly 150 years in the game.If he is confident he can clear out those that are surplus to requirements, I am reasonably confident he will give us another crack next season. I will be happy when I hear it directly from him, everything is just hearsay and guesswork at the minute.

In other words you agree with my post I fully understand what you have said and like I previously stated I think the footballing Gods have rebranded back to blue because this summer we have a hell of a lot of deadwood who are out of contract.

You seem surprised I have agreed with one of your posts. It's not the first time, I agreed with you before back in around Dec 2014 I think. We may have struck lucky with some of our poorer signings about to reach the end of their contracts. hopefully will help Warnock get one or two replacements on board.

December 2014? Can't remember it but it must have been a long the lines of shit football under Slade

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

I wouldn't be so sure that they wouldn't take reduced terms. Warnock better understands their worth to us which is unlikely to differ significantly to their worth to others particularly in this country. Their agents may have a different opinion but they would. Whitts current deal will be reflective of our promotion to the premiership - nobodies giving that to Whitts now.
He' likely to ply is trade with the also rans in this division and I don't see many of them offering big. I still think at the right deal he something to offer and I trust in Warnock to have got that deal right.

Much the same can be said of Manga, theres a deal to be had but if he wont take Iit then so be it.

There's not much he can do with Lambert short of someone taking him on loan with us paying 90% plus of his wages. Being a recent England international he just may just get a little Middle East or Far East interest. Unfortunately I still think we end up paying off even if he ended up down that route.

I'm slightly worried we're going to throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not convinced Huws, Saadi, Kennedy and Ajayi have nothing to offer us going forward.

If we give Warnock the touted 6 million and the same wage budget as this year then I'm pretty sure he'd have very good go at promotion. Just as importantly I'm more confident that if we didn't get there we wouldn't be strapped with on going disastrous legacy deals which have killed us in the last couple of years.

Lambert is on a one year contract and must play a certain number of games to trigger a second year. It seems highly unlikely he will reach that figure and the club also have the option not to pick him any way. So it is very likely he will be leaving in the summer.

As for Whitts and Manga we will have to wait and see but if they stay but if they do it will be on greatly reduced terms.

Are you sure your right? When he was signed it was reported on here as a two year contract with a possible 3rd year for playing 20 games either this season or next. He's at 17 games so that's him pretty much done for this season. If you are right and I really hope you are that gives a huge boost to Warnocks wages budget.

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

I wouldn't be so sure that they wouldn't take reduced terms. Warnock better understands their worth to us which is unlikely to differ significantly to their worth to others particularly in this country. Their agents may have a different opinion but they would. Whitts current deal will be reflective of our promotion to the premiership - nobodies giving that to Whitts now.
He' likely to ply is trade with the also rans in this division and I don't see many of them offering big. I still think at the right deal he something to offer and I trust in Warnock to have got that deal right.

Much the same can be said of Manga, theres a deal to be had but if he wont take Iit then so be it.

There's not much he can do with Lambert short of someone taking him on loan with us paying 90% plus of his wages. Being a recent England international he just may just get a little Middle East or Far East interest. Unfortunately I still think we end up paying off even if he ended up down that route.

I'm slightly worried we're going to throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not convinced Huws, Saadi, Kennedy and Ajayi have nothing to offer us going forward.

If we give Warnock the touted 6 million and the same wage budget as this year then I'm pretty sure he'd have very good go at promotion. Just as importantly I'm more confident that if we didn't get there we wouldn't be strapped with on going disastrous legacy deals which have killed us in the last couple of years.

Lambert is on a one year contract and must play a certain number of games to trigger a second year. It seems highly unlikely he will reach that figure and the club also have the option not to pick him any way. So it is very likely he will be leaving in the summer.

As for Whitts and Manga we will have to wait and see but if they stay but if they do it will be on greatly reduced terms.

How do you know so much about Lamberts contract?
I hope you're correct but as Epping blue has said, it's widely reported on here that's he signed a two year deal.

Cardiff City Football Club is delighted to announce the signing of former England international striker Rickie Lambert.

The forward has signed a two-year contract at Cardiff City Stadium, joining for an undisclosed fee from West Bromwich Albion, subject to international clearance.

See here

http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/art ... 84352.aspx

Cardiff City Football Club is delighted to announce the signing of former England international striker Rickie Lambert.

The forward has signed a two-year contract at Cardiff City Stadium, joining for an undisclosed fee from West Bromwich Albion, subject to international clearance.

See here

http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/art ... 84352.aspx

Maybe a one year contract with the option of a second year with games played? Possibly this is the case??

Been here before, I asked the question a while back and Annis said Rob Phillips confirmed it was a TWO year deal with THIRD as option.
Personally, I thought it was ONE with SECOND as option. Wishful thinking perhaps.

Been here before, I asked the question a while back and Annis said Rob Phillips confirmed it was a TWO year deal with THIRD as option.
Personally, I thought it was ONE with SECOND as option. Wishful thinking perhaps.

Thoroughly depressing if its the case. An extra £ 25 k a week would have been a real boost next year.

There has been mention further up the board comparing him with the Heidar Helguson season. What a contrast, even though he was bought at a time when Tans pockets seemed deep / never ending. One year contract, no nonsense of a conditional year based on appearances and he plays his part in 38 games. Clearly Lambert wasn't bought with the same financial propriety that existed when we bought Helguson despite the absolute need for the contrary.

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

I wouldn't be so sure that they wouldn't take reduced terms. Warnock better understands their worth to us which is unlikely to differ significantly to their worth to others particularly in this country. Their agents may have a different opinion but they would. Whitts current deal will be reflective of our promotion to the premiership - nobodies giving that to Whitts now.
He' likely to ply is trade with the also rans in this division and I don't see many of them offering big. I still think at the right deal he something to offer and I trust in Warnock to have got that deal right.

Much the same can be said of Manga, theres a deal to be had but if he wont take Iit then so be it.

There's not much he can do with Lambert short of someone taking him on loan with us paying 90% plus of his wages. Being a recent England international he just may just get a little Middle East or Far East interest. Unfortunately I still think we end up paying off even if he ended up down that route.

I'm slightly worried we're going to throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not convinced Huws, Saadi, Kennedy and Ajayi have nothing to offer us going forward.

If we give Warnock the touted 6 million and the same wage budget as this year then I'm pretty sure he'd have very good go at promotion. Just as importantly I'm more confident that if we didn't get there we wouldn't be strapped with on going disastrous legacy deals which have killed us in the last couple of years.

Lambert is on a one year contract and must play a certain number of games to trigger a second year. It seems highly unlikely he will reach that figure and the club also have the option not to pick him any way. So it is very likely he will be leaving in the summer.

As for Whitts and Manga we will have to wait and see but if they stay but if they do it will be on greatly reduced terms.

How do you know so much about Lamberts contract?
I hope you're correct but as Epping blue has said, it's widely reported on here that's he signed a two year deal.

I just remember from the time when we signed him and concerns were raised over his fitness record. Apparently he signed a 2 year contract but the 2nd year was dependent on playing enough games this season. As he is 34 with a questionable injury record it would have been prudent to include such a clause. If one wasn't then that would be one huge mistake.

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

I wouldn't be so sure that they wouldn't take reduced terms. Warnock better understands their worth to us which is unlikely to differ significantly to their worth to others particularly in this country. Their agents may have a different opinion but they would. Whitts current deal will be reflective of our promotion to the premiership - nobodies giving that to Whitts now.
He' likely to ply is trade with the also rans in this division and I don't see many of them offering big. I still think at the right deal he something to offer and I trust in Warnock to have got that deal right.

Much the same can be said of Manga, theres a deal to be had but if he wont take Iit then so be it.

There's not much he can do with Lambert short of someone taking him on loan with us paying 90% plus of his wages. Being a recent England international he just may just get a little Middle East or Far East interest. Unfortunately I still think we end up paying off even if he ended up down that route.

I'm slightly worried we're going to throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not convinced Huws, Saadi, Kennedy and Ajayi have nothing to offer us going forward.

If we give Warnock the touted 6 million and the same wage budget as this year then I'm pretty sure he'd have very good go at promotion. Just as importantly I'm more confident that if we didn't get there we wouldn't be strapped with on going disastrous legacy deals which have killed us in the last couple of years.

Lambert is on a one year contract and must play a certain number of games to trigger a second year. It seems highly unlikely he will reach that figure and the club also have the option not to pick him any way. So it is very likely he will be leaving in the summer.

As for Whitts and Manga we will have to wait and see but if they stay but if they do it will be on greatly reduced terms.

How do you know so much about Lamberts contract?
I hope you're correct but as Epping blue has said, it's widely reported on here that's he signed a two year deal.

I just remember from the time when we signed him and concerns were raised over his fitness record. Apparently he signed a 2 year contract but the 2nd year was dependent on playing enough games this season. As he is 34 with a questionable injury record it would have been prudent to include such a clause. If one wasn't then that would be one huge mistake.

you have to look at this from both sides. not just Cardiff City.
Lambert had signed the previous year from Liverpool for 3mill and had a wage to match obviously.
so with 1 year of a lucrative contract left to run at WBA. why on earth would he sign for us on a 1 year contract for any less?
plus we paid a fee. its undisclosed but has been quoted as everything from nominal to 1.7 million.

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

I wouldn't be so sure that they wouldn't take reduced terms. Warnock better understands their worth to us which is unlikely to differ significantly to their worth to others particularly in this country. Their agents may have a different opinion but they would. Whitts current deal will be reflective of our promotion to the premiership - nobodies giving that to Whitts now.
He' likely to ply is trade with the also rans in this division and I don't see many of them offering big. I still think at the right deal he something to offer and I trust in Warnock to have got that deal right.

Much the same can be said of Manga, theres a deal to be had but if he wont take Iit then so be it.

There's not much he can do with Lambert short of someone taking him on loan with us paying 90% plus of his wages. Being a recent England international he just may just get a little Middle East or Far East interest. Unfortunately I still think we end up paying off even if he ended up down that route.

I'm slightly worried we're going to throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not convinced Huws, Saadi, Kennedy and Ajayi have nothing to offer us going forward.

If we give Warnock the touted 6 million and the same wage budget as this year then I'm pretty sure he'd have very good go at promotion. Just as importantly I'm more confident that if we didn't get there we wouldn't be strapped with on going disastrous legacy deals which have killed us in the last couple of years.

Lambert is on a one year contract and must play a certain number of games to trigger a second year. It seems highly unlikely he will reach that figure and the club also have the option not to pick him any way. So it is very likely he will be leaving in the summer.

As for Whitts and Manga we will have to wait and see but if they stay but if they do it will be on greatly reduced terms.

How do you know so much about Lamberts contract?
I hope you're correct but as Epping blue has said, it's widely reported on here that's he signed a two year deal.

I just remember from the time when we signed him and concerns were raised over his fitness record. Apparently he signed a 2 year contract but the 2nd year was dependent on playing enough games this season. As he is 34 with a questionable injury record it would have been prudent to include such a clause. If one wasn't then that would be one huge mistake.

you have to look at this from both sides. not just Cardiff City.
Lambert had signed the previous year from Liverpool for 3mill and had a wage to match obviously.
so with 1 year of a lucrative contract left to run at WBA. why on earth would he sign for us on a 1 year contract for any less?
plus we paid a fee. its undisclosed but has been quoted as everything from nominal to 1.7 million.

I'm sure west brom paid him off 70% of his final year to join us ?

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

I wouldn't be so sure that they wouldn't take reduced terms. Warnock better understands their worth to us which is unlikely to differ significantly to their worth to others particularly in this country. Their agents may have a different opinion but they would. Whitts current deal will be reflective of our promotion to the premiership - nobodies giving that to Whitts now.
He' likely to ply is trade with the also rans in this division and I don't see many of them offering big. I still think at the right deal he something to offer and I trust in Warnock to have got that deal right.

Much the same can be said of Manga, theres a deal to be had but if he wont take Iit then so be it.

There's not much he can do with Lambert short of someone taking him on loan with us paying 90% plus of his wages. Being a recent England international he just may just get a little Middle East or Far East interest. Unfortunately I still think we end up paying off even if he ended up down that route.

I'm slightly worried we're going to throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not convinced Huws, Saadi, Kennedy and Ajayi have nothing to offer us going forward.

If we give Warnock the touted 6 million and the same wage budget as this year then I'm pretty sure he'd have very good go at promotion. Just as importantly I'm more confident that if we didn't get there we wouldn't be strapped with on going disastrous legacy deals which have killed us in the last couple of years.

Lambert is on a one year contract and must play a certain number of games to trigger a second year. It seems highly unlikely he will reach that figure and the club also have the option not to pick him any way. So it is very likely he will be leaving in the summer.

As for Whitts and Manga we will have to wait and see but if they stay but if they do it will be on greatly reduced terms.

How do you know so much about Lamberts contract?
I hope you're correct but as Epping blue has said, it's widely reported on here that's he signed a two year deal.

I just remember from the time when we signed him and concerns were raised over his fitness record. Apparently he signed a 2 year contract but the 2nd year was dependent on playing enough games this season. As he is 34 with a questionable injury record it would have been prudent to include such a clause. If one wasn't then that would be one huge mistake.

you have to look at this from both sides. not just Cardiff City.
Lambert had signed the previous year from Liverpool for 3mill and had a wage to match obviously.
so with 1 year of a lucrative contract left to run at WBA. why on earth would he sign for us on a 1 year contract for any less?
plus we paid a fee. its undisclosed but has been quoted as everything from nominal to 1.7 million.

No we needed to look at this from one side - Cardiff and what he was worth to us. What he was making prior to that is irrelevant. If Wez is right he got 70% of his contract off West Brom in addition to £ 25 grand a week off us then his agent did a really good job for him.

We're only concerned with the 25k and the terms of his contract here. If it was 2 years plus 1 for making a paltry 20 appearances in either season then we were shafted. It looks with hindsight like a bad signing. It was a bad deal before the ink was dry on the paper.

If it was a year contract plus 1 conditional then it's not such a disaster, at least Warnock will have an extra £ 25k a week to play with next year.

We need to hold onto class acts like Bruno and Whitts. There are plenty of others who could move on, like Amos,Wilson, Huws (sadly) ,Lambert and Gougonbe.
Warnock will also get rid of O'Keefe I believe, though I think it would be a mistake, as he has much more to offer than Halford.

I agree about Halford and O'Keefe (although Halford can cover a number of positions) but maybe Halford is one who won't be here in the summer either?

As for Bruno and Whitts it is unlikely they will take reduced terms and as offering them the same terms is a non-starter the likelihood is they will be moving on.

I wouldn't be so sure that they wouldn't take reduced terms. Warnock better understands their worth to us which is unlikely to differ significantly to their worth to others particularly in this country. Their agents may have a different opinion but they would. Whitts current deal will be reflective of our promotion to the premiership - nobodies giving that to Whitts now.
He' likely to ply is trade with the also rans in this division and I don't see many of them offering big. I still think at the right deal he something to offer and I trust in Warnock to have got that deal right.

Much the same can be said of Manga, theres a deal to be had but if he wont take Iit then so be it.

There's not much he can do with Lambert short of someone taking him on loan with us paying 90% plus of his wages. Being a recent England international he just may just get a little Middle East or Far East interest. Unfortunately I still think we end up paying off even if he ended up down that route.

I'm slightly worried we're going to throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not convinced Huws, Saadi, Kennedy and Ajayi have nothing to offer us going forward.

If we give Warnock the touted 6 million and the same wage budget as this year then I'm pretty sure he'd have very good go at promotion. Just as importantly I'm more confident that if we didn't get there we wouldn't be strapped with on going disastrous legacy deals which have killed us in the last couple of years.

Lambert is on a one year contract and must play a certain number of games to trigger a second year. It seems highly unlikely he will reach that figure and the club also have the option not to pick him any way. So it is very likely he will be leaving in the summer.

As for Whitts and Manga we will have to wait and see but if they stay but if they do it will be on greatly reduced terms.

How do you know so much about Lamberts contract?
I hope you're correct but as Epping blue has said, it's widely reported on here that's he signed a two year deal.

I just remember from the time when we signed him and concerns were raised over his fitness record. Apparently he signed a 2 year contract but the 2nd year was dependent on playing enough games this season. As he is 34 with a questionable injury record it would have been prudent to include such a clause. If one wasn't then that would be one huge mistake.

you have to look at this from both sides. not just Cardiff City.
Lambert had signed the previous year from Liverpool for 3mill and had a wage to match obviously.
so with 1 year of a lucrative contract left to run at WBA. why on earth would he sign for us on a 1 year contract for any less?
plus we paid a fee. its undisclosed but has been quoted as everything from nominal to 1.7 million.

Looking back at newspaper reports from when Lambert signed it says the 'deal' cost the club £2m in total. If RL is earning £35kpw that adds up to £1.8m for a 12 month contract with possibly a £200k transfer fee?

Either way if the deal cost £2m in total it is hard to see how this stretches to a 2 year contract along with a transfer fee.

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