Donald Tump, making his mark?

I have to be honest it does do my head in a bit when I here the 'look after our own' line. Define our own because I don't see why we should look after some of the complete and utter selfish, self absorbed, want, want, want, me, me, me, living a life of riley with no care for what tomorrow brings types that this country homes over someone who is living a harrowing existence based on the fact they happened to be born in a war zone.

You make an excellent point. Sadly some people who post on these issues don't seem to have much in the way of emotional intelligence and maintain the 'them v us' perspective. You just can't reason with them as compassion is not part of their make up

I think one of the priorities of any government is to ensure the security and safety of it's own citizens. Common decency dictates that wealthier nations should offer all possible asistance to those who are in deperate need of help, but not at the risk of putting it's own people in danger, or placing undue strain in it's social fabric.

I think one of the priorities of any government is to ensure the security and safety of it's own citizens. Common decency dictates that wealthier nations should offer all possible asistance to those who are in deperate need of help, but not at the risk of putting it's own people in danger, or placing undue strain in it's social fabric.

Disagree. Let's look after ourselves

Scandinavian I wouldn't engage with Tony. He just spouts rubbish and makes claims and then doesn't back up his promises. Biggest bigot on this site.

So rather than debate you just block opinions you don't Iike out, for years the Left have shouted bigot, racist or Facist to stifle debate, it's over mate no ones having it anymore. We've taken in "refugees" from Eritrea who go back there on family holidays. Tell me this, if Britian was a war zone would you flee and leave the women in your family here?

Scandinavian I wouldn't engage with Tony. He just spouts rubbish and makes claims and then doesn't back up his promises. Biggest bigot on this site.

So rather than debate you just block opinions you don't Iike out, for years the Left have shouted bigot, racist or Facist to stifle debate, it's over mate no ones having it anymore. We've taken in "refugees" from Eritrea who go back there on family holidays. Tell me this, if Britian was a war zone would you flee and leave the women in your family here?

The scary part is what we are teaching generations to come!
If things don't go your way f**k the majority, get abusive, violent and cause disorder until you get what you want.

Scandinavian I wouldn't engage with Tony. He just spouts rubbish and makes claims and then doesn't back up his promises. Biggest bigot on this site.

So rather than debate you just block opinions you don't Iike out, for years the Left have shouted bigot, racist or Facist to stifle debate, it's over mate no ones having it anymore. We've taken in "refugees" from Eritrea who go back there on family holidays. Tell me this, if Britian was a war zone would you flee and leave the women in your family here?

You missed the point jock. Tony just says stuff where'd he believes it or not. He more concerned with being right than sharing his opinions. More often than not he's wrong and then goes quite. This is another example.

Scandinavian I wouldn't engage with Tony. He just spouts rubbish and makes claims and then doesn't back up his promises. Biggest bigot on this site.

So rather than debate you just block opinions you don't Iike out, for years the Left have shouted bigot, racist or Facist to stifle debate, it's over mate no ones having it anymore. We've taken in "refugees" from Eritrea who go back there on family holidays. Tell me this, if Britian was a war zone would you flee and leave the women in your family here?

It's not a war zone so who knows.

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything you own.

[quote="bluebird04"]im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

Scandinavian I wouldn't engage with Tony. He just spouts rubbish and makes claims and then doesn't back up his promises. Biggest bigot on this site.

So rather than debate you just block opinions you don't Iike out, for years the Left have shouted bigot, racist or Facist to stifle debate, it's over mate no ones having it anymore. We've taken in "refugees" from Eritrea who go back there on family holidays. Tell me this, if Britian was a war zone would you flee and leave the women in your family here?

It's not a war zone so who knows.

Comon mate don't duck it, it's a no brainer.

Listening to what he said it appears for now he wants breathing space to re assess the criteria used to let refugees in? After all only temp ban, its not popular with refugee organisations but he's in charge now and that's what counts.

We can't look after our own it's sad to see the problems in these countries however they are mostly run by despots and other than aid we should stay clear.

Firstly to get our own people off the streets and to sort our welfare system.

If people want to come here, it's to work with a job and speaking our language! That also means the rest of the 29 children, grandchildren and relatives don't come added to the job.

The do gooders in this Country should go out to these Countries if they feel so strongly about it and put their help on the ground where it's needed.

Do you realise a big part of the reason there are so many refugees is because the west have been funding wars, trying to topple governments, not to mention bombing the shit out of these places.

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

But the RAF are still dropping bombs on Syria, which is exacerbating things, and forcing people out of their homes.

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

But the RAF are still dropping bombs on Syria, which is exacerbating things, and forcing people out of their homes.

Well if didn't have such a despot as a leader who holds power against wil of the people perhaps there wouldn't be the trouble there is? Best thing to do us pull out of all the conflicts we are involved in and let the people in those countries sort themselves out ? Then cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

But the RAF are still dropping bombs on Syria, which is exacerbating things, and forcing people out of their homes.

Well if didn't have such a despot as a leader who holds power against wil of the people perhaps there wouldn't be the trouble there is? Best thing to do us pull out of all the conflicts we are involved in and let the people in those countries sort themselves out ? Then cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

Agree don't get involved but that will be wrong to the do gooding lefties who will cry about assad or any other leader,commies,lefties,socialists are never happy always have a moan about something

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

But the RAF are still dropping bombs on Syria, which is exacerbating things, and forcing people out of their homes.

Well if didn't have such a despot as a leader who holds power against wil of the people perhaps there wouldn't be the trouble there is? Best thing to do us pull out of all the conflicts we are involved in and let the people in those countries sort themselves out ? Then cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

We can't just sit back and let ISIS control more land, I reckon they'd have toppled Assad if we'd left them to it.

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

But the RAF are still dropping bombs on Syria, which is exacerbating things, and forcing people out of their homes.

Well if didn't have such a despot as a leader who holds power against wil of the people perhaps there wouldn't be the trouble there is? Best thing to do us pull out of all the conflicts we are involved in and let the people in those countries sort themselves out ? Then cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

Agree don't get involved but that will be wrong to the do gooding lefties who will cry about assad or any other leader,commies,lefties,socialists are never happy always have a moan about something

How on earth do you cater for the multi millions of displaced people where we had nothing to do with their problems? I know do what Germans did welcome them all? So simple I guess!!

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

But the RAF are still dropping bombs on Syria, which is exacerbating things, and forcing people out of their homes.

Well if didn't have such a despot as a leader who holds power against wil of the people perhaps there wouldn't be the trouble there is? Best thing to do us pull out of all the conflicts we are involved in and let the people in those countries sort themselves out ? Then cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

We can't just sit back and let ISIS control more land, I reckon they'd have toppled Assad if we'd left them to it.

No we can't but then people say we are causing the problems ? In truth most of world's refugee problem are caused by despot leaders who cling to power at All cost especially for poor inhabitants!

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

But the RAF are still dropping bombs on Syria, which is exacerbating things, and forcing people out of their homes.

Well if didn't have such a despot as a leader who holds power against wil of the people perhaps there wouldn't be the trouble there is? Best thing to do us pull out of all the conflicts we are involved in and let the people in those countries sort themselves out ? Then cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

Agree don't get involved but that will be wrong to the do gooding lefties who will cry about assad or any other leader,commies,lefties,socialists are never happy always have a moan about something

How on earth do you cater for the multi millions of displaced people where we had nothing to do with their problems? I know do what Germans did welcome them all? So simple I guess!!

Trump is on about making a safe zone in Syria controlled by a joint us Russia force this could help

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

But the RAF are still dropping bombs on Syria, which is exacerbating things, and forcing people out of their homes.

Well if didn't have such a despot as a leader who holds power against wil of the people perhaps there wouldn't be the trouble there is? Best thing to do us pull out of all the conflicts we are involved in and let the people in those countries sort themselves out ? Then cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

Agree don't get involved but that will be wrong to the do gooding lefties who will cry about assad or any other leader,commies,lefties,socialists are never happy always have a moan about something

How on earth do you cater for the multi millions of displaced people where we had nothing to do with their problems? I know do what Germans did welcome them all? So simple I guess!!

Trump is on about making a safe zone in Syria controlled by a joint us Russia force this could help

Russia and alies don't want it do they! it's them that are ignoring treaties? And what he actually said was let's have a stop to letting in asylum seekers In for 90 days while we look at the way we let them in so can prevent terrorists getting in to USA

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

I don't normally have big issues with your writings but his last post made me smile with its incredulity...

Quote (Scandinavianbluebird): "I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way."

So, if you won't let them "move in" and are happy to see them "on their way", how does that make you any different than some of the members you are belittling above?

From where I'm reading this thread, it appears that most people want to help the troubled Syrians (and any other struggling nation's peoples) to improve their circumstances but they want a 'local' solution and not a solution that sees their peoples (good and bad) shipped all over the world like some British social experiment from the 50's and 60's that saw age-old communities split up and reformed with no other logic than "we think it's best for you"

You also state (quote): "And I believe in individuality."; yet you so clearly don't when Wez (and others) isn't aloud to have an individual opinion that differs from your own

What I mean by that Sven, I don't have room in my household either. But they can stay, until we find a safe and good enough solution to the problem. Like when the crises became critical, our country build up refuge shelters, in Norway rapidly. We did that, knowing we couldn't provide the humanitarian help in Syria. It was a warzone after all. The plan was to integrate what our society could handle, and help them rebuild a safe society in their own country. This is providing necessary humanitarian help. We pump huge bulks of our national budget to do this, and I'm happy we do. If that makes you chuckle, I'm fine by that. Personally I pay more taxes than welsh general income to support this, and I'm fine by that to..Many of the other points of government mismanagement, is a debate well worth having, but they are two separate issues. But this is not what Trump is doing. He is denying humanitarian help, on suspicion of everyone being a terrorist. Totally different ballgame.
As for belittling Wez. Yes, i shouldn't have. All though I tried in his "conspiracy thread" The lights are on, but nobody is home.. On that note, I'll leave you guys to it it. I'm working, and football is on.

I agree with some of your points but do not on probably the main issues!

Maybe you should canvas all the relatives of the people killed in Paris about immigration and the lack of sifting out genuine people coming into their Country!

Sorry but it's a local issue wherever it is and your taxes should be better spent on keeping our borders better policed. Enjoy the football

We do both. Now we are also supporting women's abort right in the US financially, since Trump will not. But apperrantlty we are mentally ill, so..
Thanks, you to.

So you support Muslims oppressive countries and love killing babies great you lefties are

Wez, you are truly a wanker of the highest possible calibre. To add to this you show a clear lack of empathy or compassion on pretty much every post regarding to world affairs, lack of empathy and compassion being a trait of psychopaths, a mental illness. So to add to how you feel that everyone who leans left on the political spectrum is mentally ill, you are truly a mentally ill wanker. That is all.

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

But the RAF are still dropping bombs on Syria, which is exacerbating things, and forcing people out of their homes.

Well if didn't have such a despot as a leader who holds power against wil of the people perhaps there wouldn't be the trouble there is? Best thing to do us pull out of all the conflicts we are involved in and let the people in those countries sort themselves out ? Then cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

Agree don't get involved but that will be wrong to the do gooding lefties who will cry about assad or any other leader,commies,lefties,socialists are never happy always have a moan about something

How on earth do you cater for the multi millions of displaced people where we had nothing to do with their problems? I know do what Germans did welcome them all? So simple I guess!!

Trump is on about making a safe zone in Syria controlled by a joint us Russia force this could help

Russia are involved because they want a warm water port for their fleet.

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

But the RAF are still dropping bombs on Syria, which is exacerbating things, and forcing people out of their homes.

Well if didn't have such a despot as a leader who holds power against wil of the people perhaps there wouldn't be the trouble there is? Best thing to do us pull out of all the conflicts we are involved in and let the people in those countries sort themselves out ? Then cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

We can't just sit back and let ISIS control more land, I reckon they'd have toppled Assad if we'd left them to it.

Bull shit us helping his domestic terrorists claim power by force rather them the democratic way then Asa's would have dealt with is in a heart beat.
I only wish we would close our doors but we won't and we be in an even worse position after we leave EU.

im confused, so he is saying, we will not help you, you cannot come here.....however we will continue to bomb your homes, and destroy everything


it's Russian and hassad planes bombing civilians??

But the RAF are still dropping bombs on Syria, which is exacerbating things, and forcing people out of their homes.

Well if didn't have such a despot as a leader who holds power against wil of the people perhaps there wouldn't be the trouble there is? Best thing to do us pull out of all the conflicts we are involved in and let the people in those countries sort themselves out ? Then cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

Agree don't get involved but that will be wrong to the do gooding lefties who will cry about assad or any other leader,commies,lefties,socialists are never happy always have a moan about something

How on earth do you cater for the multi millions of displaced people where we had nothing to do with their problems? I know do what Germans did welcome them all? So simple I guess!!

Trump is on about making a safe zone in Syria controlled by a joint us Russia force this could help

Russia are involved because they want a warm water port for their fleet.

But wouldn't it be better to create a safe zone for refugees in Syria rather than displacing them to other countries ?

[quote="BluebirdWhitchurch"][quote="wez1927"][quote="]
Thank you for your input to the debate I'm against abortion unless it's for medical reason obviously your not with a response like that

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Thank you for your input to the debate I'm against abortion unless it's for medical reason obviously your not with a response like that[/quote]

A woman gets raped, in Wez's world she can't have an abortion because it's not a medical situation.

You also state (quote): "And I believe in individuality."; yet you so clearly don't when Wez (and others) isn't aloud to have an individual opinion that differs from your own

What I mean by that Sven, I don't have room in my household either. But they can stay, until we find a safe and good enough solution to the problem. Like when the crises became critical, our country build up refuge shelters, in Norway rapidly. We did that, knowing we couldn't provide the humanitarian help in Syria. It was a warzone after all. The plan was to INTEGRATE what our society could handle, and help them rebuild a safe society in their own country. This is providing necessary humanitarian help. We pump huge bulks of our national budget to do this, and I'm happy we do. If that makes you chuckle, I'm fine by that. Personally I pay more taxes than welsh general income to support this, and I'm fine by that to..Many of the other points of government mismanagement, is a debate well worth having, but they are two separate issues. But this is not what Trump is doing. He is denying humanitarian help, on suspicion of everyone being a terrorist. Totally different ballgame.
As for belittling Wez. Yes, i shouldn't have. All though I tried in his "conspiracy thread" The lights are on, but nobody is home.. On that note, I'll leave you guys to it it. I'm working, and football is on.[/quote]



As the number of Muslims in a country increases the inclination to integrate decreases. Look at areas of Northern England where we have parallel societies, as Muslim ghettos have formed.

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Thank you for your input to the debate I'm against abortion unless it's for medical reason obviously your not with a response like that[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

A woman gets raped, in Wez's world she can't have an abortion because it's not a medical situation.[/quote]

Here we go lefties and they micro managing.

Bluebird Whitchurch,I couldn't give a shit about people from other countries when our own citizens are going hungry using food banks ,waiting years on waiting lists for operations,children's charities having to do the job of the NHS ,army veterans homeless on the streets and hot being looked after ,maybe 8 was harsh sayingredients the lefties have a mental illness but I really don't see why they care for other countries citizens more than our own ,I do have empathy but it's for British people maybe you should look a bit closer to home like the rest of the left leaning people in this country that's all !

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Thank you for your input to the debate I'm against abortion unless it's for medical reason obviously your not with a response like that[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

A woman gets raped, in Wez's world she can't have an abortion because it's not a medical situation.[/quote]

That's different and you know that ffs I'll spell it out then people who get knocked up don't use contraception and think it's OK to have multiple abortion s like it's going g out of fashion is that better ffs