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Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:35 pm

wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:This isn't also doing the rounds on social media, but I be there you will disannounce it as "fake news"?

Apparently taken 3 hours before by cnn so fake news :lol: but the figures do add up in the next few years the aid budget will rise to 16 billion which is ridiculous when we are in such a mess


Exactly. There's is fake news everywhere, so just because something is doing the rounds. Doesn't essentially mean it is true. Even I know that we spend too much on foreign aid I need Countries like India. But I do not believe this list to be true as it contains "North Korea" for one. :shock:

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:59 pm

wez1927 wrote:
nubbsy wrote:I'm guna call bullshit on the document. It doesn't look official and it doesn't make sense. Also, "doing the rounds" on the Internet is not a realiable source.

So amounts on the internet are never right coz they are not official government documents?


Wez,if your really interested in this sort of thing accurate information on aid budgets is widely available.I can tell you that this document is far from accurate.Its always been the case that investment in foreign infrastructure brings in trade.To this end the Chinese are investing widely in Africa for the same reasons and the amounts would make your eyes water yet on the home front many chinese peasants live in what we would call poverty.And when we leave europe this kind of thing will be even more important when it comes to negotiating trade deals.

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:02 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Lanky Frankie wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
nubbsy wrote:I'm guna call bullshit on the document. It doesn't look official and it doesn't make sense. Also, "doing the rounds" on the Internet is not a realiable source.

So amounts on the internet are never right coz they are not official government documents?

Do the math you fool. All that adds up to billions.

http://news.sky.com/story/uk-foreign-ai ... 7-10293727 read this fool 16 billion pounds it's going up too it disgusting

Billions per country you fool. I added the first 11 on the left hand side and come to approx 17 billion. There's around 150 countries on there ffs. I can't be arsed to add the rest but it will far exceed the 50/60 billion we've given in foreign aid in the last 5 years.

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:48 pm

wez1927 wrote:
nubbsy wrote:I'm guna call bullshit on the document. It doesn't look official and it doesn't make sense. Also, "doing the rounds" on the Internet is not a realiable source.

So amounts on the internet are never right coz they are not official government documents?



No, I'm saying they are big claims from a completly unknown source so I wouldn't take them for gospel.

Have you ever heard the phrase "don't believe everything you read"?

But there we go wez, if you add up the amounts and compare them with the article you just posted then you have just totally proved it to be bullshit.
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Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:49 pm

nubbsy wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
nubbsy wrote:I'm guna call bullshit on the document. It doesn't look official and it doesn't make sense. Also, "doing the rounds" on the Internet is not a realiable source.

So amounts on the internet are never right coz they are not official government documents?



No, I'm saying they are big claims from a completly unknown source so I wouldn't take them for gospel.

Have you ever heard the phrase "don't believe everything you read"?

These amounts are for the lady 5 years and I wouldn't be surprised if they are right

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:07 pm

It is definitely false; we have given Syria around the £1 billion mark. Anyway, giving other countries and people aid isn't a bad thing, the world should work together so everybody has a good quality of life.

The issue at hand, are the bankers who fucked our economy and the large corporations and individuals either straight up not paying their taxes, or find a way around it, such as offshore bank accounts.

This is why parties like UKIP are duping you, and making people look silly. They claim to be "anti establishment" (even though Farage and his buddies are bankers and stockbrokers) but instead of blaming those who are truely at blame, they try and blame immigrants or any other scapegoat they can find so their mates continue to get richer at our expense.

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:07 pm

JimCP91 wrote:It is definitely false; we have given Syria around the £1 billion mark. Anyway, giving other countries and people aid isn't a bad thing, the world should work together so everybody has a good quality of life.

The issue at hand, are the bankers who fucked our economy and the large corporations and individuals either straight up not paying their taxes, or find a way around it, such as offshore bank accounts.

This is why parties like UKIP are duping you, and making people look silly. They claim to be "anti establishment" (even though Farage and his buddies are bankers and stockbrokers) but instead of blaming those who are truely at blame, they try and blame immigrants or any other scapegoat they can find so their mates continue to get richer at our expense.


So there is many people worldwide who hate us just because we don't believe in they're fairytale? Should we help these out?

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:19 pm

murphy wrote:
JimCP91 wrote:It is definitely false; we have given Syria around the £1 billion mark. Anyway, giving other countries and people aid isn't a bad thing, the world should work together so everybody has a good quality of life.

The issue at hand, are the bankers who fucked our economy and the large corporations and individuals either straight up not paying their taxes, or find a way around it, such as offshore bank accounts.

This is why parties like UKIP are duping you, and making people look silly. They claim to be "anti establishment" (even though Farage and his buddies are bankers and stockbrokers) but instead of blaming those who are truely at blame, they try and blame immigrants or any other scapegoat they can find so their mates continue to get richer at our expense.


So there is many people worldwide who hate us just because we don't believe in they're fairytale? Should we help these out?

We should sort Britain out first

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:41 pm

Wez are you in the Welsh Defence League?

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:48 pm

polo wrote:Wez are you in the Welsh Defence League?

No just think we need to sort out our own citizens,nhs is on its knees ,pensioners going hungry just think it takes the piss

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:18 pm

wez1927 wrote:
polo wrote:Wez are you in the Welsh Defence League?

No just think we need to sort out our own citizens,nhs is on its knees ,pensioners going hungry just think it takes the piss


This comment made me laugh, knowing what party you support/vote for.

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:19 pm

wez1927 wrote:
polo wrote:Wez are you in the Welsh Defence League?

No just think we need to sort out our own citizens,nhs is on its knees ,pensioners going hungry just think it takes the piss



Like the gentleman above said, take a look at the tories and the bankers wez. They've fed you bullshit about immigrants as a scape goat using scar tactics, especially leading upto brexit the news has been full of anti immigration horror stories. Is their an immigration problem in this country? Yes there is. Is it the reason the NHS is in a state? that's a big fat NO.

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:13 pm

nubbsy wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
polo wrote:Wez are you in the Welsh Defence League?

No just think we need to sort out our own citizens,nhs is on its knees ,pensioners going hungry just think it takes the piss



Like the gentleman above said, take a look at the tories and the bankers wez. They've fed you bullshit about immigrants as a scape goat using scar tactics, especially leading upto brexit the news has been full of anti immigration horror stories. Is their an immigration problem in this country? Yes there is. Is it the reason the NHS is in a state? that's a big fat NO.

You must be a bit thick if you dont think part of the NHS problems aren't down to people coming here using it for free ,it's just not hospitals it's gp surgerys are at breaking point too, the country and it's services can't cope with the massive rise in population over the last 20 years at sometime it has to stop ,we should use the foreign aid budget to prop up the NHS and we should start charging non British citizens as they do in other countries

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:24 pm

wez1927 wrote:
nubbsy wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
polo wrote:Wez are you in the Welsh Defence League?

No just think we need to sort out our own citizens,nhs is on its knees ,pensioners going hungry just think it takes the piss



Like the gentleman above said, take a look at the tories and the bankers wez. They've fed you bullshit about immigrants as a scape goat using scar tactics, especially leading upto brexit the news has been full of anti immigration horror stories. Is their an immigration problem in this country? Yes there is. Is it the reason the NHS is in a state? that's a big fat NO.

You must be a bit thick if you dont think part of the NHS problems aren't down to people coming here using it for free ,it's just not hospitals it's gp surgerys are at breaking point too, the country and it's services can't cope with the massive rise in population over the last 20 years at sometime it has to stop ,we should use the foreign aid budget to prop up the NHS and we should start charging non British citizens as they do in other countries


Wow what a load of bull crap! Next you be blaming the "aging population"... wait wait, UKIP (The Party you Support) leader Paul Nuttal has already done that.

Funding for NHS essential carelement has been cut since 2010. A&E departments are at breaking point because the Tories have closed the majority, forcing more and more people into (in some cases) 1 hospital instead of 3. While you turn a blind eye at cuts and blame immigration, the media does the same. Once again fueling "Fake News". GP Doctors are at an all time low due to funding cuts. Just last week, Maggie May threatened to cut funding if They do not open 7 days a week. In some cases, these Services have 1 doctor for over 3000 people. Get your head out of the sand!

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:27 pm

AfanBluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
nubbsy wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
polo wrote:Wez are you in the Welsh Defence League?

No just think we need to sort out our own citizens,nhs is on its knees ,pensioners going hungry just think it takes the piss



Like the gentleman above said, take a look at the tories and the bankers wez. They've fed you bullshit about immigrants as a scape goat using scar tactics, especially leading upto brexit the news has been full of anti immigration horror stories. Is their an immigration problem in this country? Yes there is. Is it the reason the NHS is in a state? that's a big fat NO.

You must be a bit thick if you dont think part of the NHS problems aren't down to people coming here using it for free ,it's just not hospitals it's gp surgerys are at breaking point too, the country and it's services can't cope with the massive rise in population over the last 20 years at sometime it has to stop ,we should use the foreign aid budget to prop up the NHS and we should start charging non British citizens as they do in other countries


Wow what a load of bull crap! Next you be blaming the "aging population"... wait wait, UKIP (The Party you Support) leader Paul Nuttal has already done that.

Funding for NHS essential carelement has been cut since 2010. A&E departments are at breaking point because the Tories have closed the majority, forcing more and more people into (in some cases) 1 hospital instead of 3. While you turn a blind eye at cuts and blame immigration, the media does the same. Once again fueling "Fake News". GP Doctors are at an all time low due to funding cuts. Just last week, Maggie May threatened to cut funding if They do not open 7 days a week. In some cases, these Services have 1 doctor for over 3000 people. Get your head out of the sand!
that old chestnut blame the tories come on the NHS under labour started it's worse decline,and in Wales remember labour are still in charge

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:33 pm

AfanBluebird wrote:This isn't also doing the rounds on social media, but I be there you will disannounce it as "fake news"?

The real picture
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Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:33 pm

You can't ignore facts Wez. I blame the Tories for running it so far into the ground over 7 years, that they then blame labour for it... like you just did.

If funding is cut, things will get worse. Do you agree with that?
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Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:36 pm

AfanBluebird wrote:You can't ignore facts Wez. I blame the Tories for running it so far into the ground over 7 years, that they then blame labour for it... like you just did.

If funding is cut, things will get worse. Do you agree with that?

You can't ignore the facts that population has grown also in Wales the NHS has been controlled by labour

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:39 pm

wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:You can't ignore facts Wez. I blame the Tories for running it so far into the ground over 7 years, that they then blame labour for it... like you just did.

If funding is cut, things will get worse. Do you agree with that?

You can't ignore the facts that population has grown also in Wales the NHS has been controlled by labour


... I'm not a Labour voter or supporter and agree with you that it's dead in the water. Funding cuts come from whitehall, that then get passed on to the local authorities in Wales. Immigration in Wales is LOW. So what is your point? Think it was around the 20,000 mark last year? Maybe less. So what is your point.

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:40 pm

AfanBluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:You can't ignore facts Wez. I blame the Tories for running it so far into the ground over 7 years, that they then blame labour for it... like you just did.

If funding is cut, things will get worse. Do you agree with that?

You can't ignore the facts that population has grown also in Wales the NHS has been controlled by labour


... I'm not a Labour voter or supporter and agree with you that it's dead in the water. Funding cuts come from whitehall, that then get passed on to the local authorities in Wales. Immigration in Wales is LOW. So what is your point? Think it was around the 20,000 mark last year? Maybe less. So what is your point.

Spending is at it highest level ever tho ?
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Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:42 pm

"Planned". Didn't Maggie May get found out by saying it's going to be £10billion more, but her OWN advisor then came out and said it's more around the £4billion mark. Wez, simple question. Why do you support UKIP?

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:45 pm

AfanBluebird wrote:"Planned". Didn't Maggie May get found out by saying it's going to be £10billion more, but her OWN advisor then came out and said it's more around the £4billion mark. Wez, simple question. Why do you support UKIP?

Simple they are the only party for the working class ,labour and tories have deserted us

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:48 pm

If you say so...
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Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:53 pm

AfanBluebird wrote:If you say so...

They've all seen the light

Re: Government giving away aid

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:55 pm

AfanBluebird wrote:If you say so...

So plaid, lib dems,labour are the parties for the working class ???? Not anymore they all pimp themselves out just to get votes

Re: Government giving away aid

Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:05 am

wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:"Planned". Didn't Maggie May get found out by saying it's going to be £10billion more, but her OWN advisor then came out and said it's more around the £4billion mark. Wez, simple question. Why do you support UKIP?

Simple they are the only party for the working class ,labour and tories have deserted us



If UKIP were truely for the workingclass, and anti establishment as they claim; they would be placing the blame on our economic to crisis on the bankers, and question why they've never been brought to justice. Instead, they blame immigrants; who actually benefit our economy, the facts and figures prove that!

Re: Government giving away aid

Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:56 am

JimCP91 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:"Planned". Didn't Maggie May get found out by saying it's going to be £10billion more, but her OWN advisor then came out and said it's more around the £4billion mark. Wez, simple question. Why do you support UKIP?

Simple they are the only party for the working class ,labour and tories have deserted us



If UKIP were truely for the workingclass, and anti establishment as they claim; they would be placing the blame on our economic to crisis on the bankers, and question why they've never been brought to justice. Instead, they blame immigrants; who actually benefit our economy, the facts and figures prove that!

You do know that the banking crisis was nearly 10 years ago now ?UKIP don't blame immigration,immigration does not benefit our economy please prove that with facts and figures ,most immigrants are low paid workers who don't pay tax and are on tax credits ,the facts are that immigration has put pressure on public services anyone who can't see that is a bit thick :lol:

Re: Government giving away aid

Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:13 am

wez1927 wrote:
JimCP91 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:"Planned". Didn't Maggie May get found out by saying it's going to be £10billion more, but her OWN advisor then came out and said it's more around the £4billion mark. Wez, simple question. Why do you support UKIP?

Simple they are the only party for the working class ,labour and tories have deserted us



If UKIP were truely for the workingclass, and anti establishment as they claim; they would be placing the blame on our economic to crisis on the bankers, and question why they've never been brought to justice. Instead, they blame immigrants; who actually benefit our economy, the facts and figures prove that!

You do know that the banking crisis was nearly 10 years ago now ?UKIP don't blame immigration,immigration does not benefit our economy please prove that with facts and figures ,most immigrants are low paid workers who don't pay tax and are on tax credits ,the facts are that immigration has put pressure on public services anyone who can't see that is a bit thick :lol:


https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/

A bit thick? It is a classic Tory tactic to cut public services until they die, so they can sell it off at a cut price figure to their friends. This includes the rail services and the Royal Mail... which has recently recorded a huge profit on the small figure it was sold for.


They are doing the same to our NHS, so they can abolish it and completely privatise it.

Cut the services funding, let it run down to the ground to give the illusion it is failing and people won't protest its privatisation; that's what is really happening.

Re: Government giving away aid

Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:38 am

JimCP91 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JimCP91 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:"Planned". Didn't Maggie May get found out by saying it's going to be £10billion more, but her OWN advisor then came out and said it's more around the £4billion mark. Wez, simple question. Why do you support UKIP?

Simple they are the only party for the working class ,labour and tories have deserted us



If UKIP were truely for the workingclass, and anti establishment as they claim; they would be placing the blame on our economic to crisis on the bankers, and question why they've never been brought to justice. Instead, they blame immigrants; who actually benefit our economy, the facts and figures prove that!

You do know that the banking crisis was nearly 10 years ago now ?UKIP don't blame immigration,immigration does not benefit our economy please prove that with facts and figures ,most immigrants are low paid workers who don't pay tax and are on tax credits ,the facts are that immigration has put pressure on public services anyone who can't see that is a bit thick :lol:


https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/

A bit thick? It is a classic Tory tactic to cut public services until they die, so they can sell it off at a cut price figure to their friends. This includes the rail services and the Royal Mail... which has recently recorded a huge profit on the small figure it was sold for.


They are doing the same to our NHS, so they can abolish it and completely privatise it.

Cut the services funding, let it run down to the ground to give the illusion it is failing and people won't protest its privatisation; that's what is really happening.

But the funding has increas in england year on year over the last 7 years ,remember in Wales labour have been in charge of the NHS sInce the Welsh assembly began

Re: Government giving away aid

Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:01 am

Im the first to say its good to keep an open mind on things but cmon, thats ridiculous! :?