" A good following to Reading "

I think we will take somewhere between 1500-2000, if we can get over the 2,000 mark then all things considered I think it will be a good following.

Incidentally I was there that time we took 4,000 and in the past Reading would have been a game I was all over when I was in my early 20's with spare cash on the hip. Unfortunately though I will be completely honest and say that this game holds absolutely no interest to me, I would imagine I am probably a good example of the situation for many of my age who have done the trip many times before. For me it was a straight choice, Reading or Leeds and as I have been to Reading 8 times and Elland Road never it was a no brainer. I simply can't afford to do both.

On another point, I think we have lost a generation, when I was watching us regularly away in the 90's and 00's our away support had a massive proportion of young lads in their 20's, as I said above with cash on the hip. When you see other Clubs following's they seem to have what we had then, but now, whilst we seem to have lost it. There used to be 100's if not thousand's of us young lads ranging from 17-25 on trips all getting to know each other from different area's. That seems to be gone now.

I wen't to Preston last season and stopped in Blackpool, there was about 500 there, hardly anyone in Blackpool, a couple of coaches mostly older lads. A trip like that would have had everyone out years ago for a weekend in Blackpool combined with watching Cardiff, every young lad in the town would have been up for it. Where are they now? If we wan't our away following to be boosted we need to get the youngsters into it and enjoying the trips, at the moment that generation seems to have found something else to find their money on. Obviously before anyone takes offence I'm not knocking our youngsters, the ones that do go got my respect but they don't seem to go en masse like those before them did.

That's a really good post. I wonder where they are now? Maybe they just don't like or can't afford modern football. It sounds like Reading is good value on the ticket front though. Hopefully, survival this season and a realistic promotion push next season will attract a few of them away from Tinder and onto the terraces once more

But it does not seemed to have effected other clubs away support,virtually most clubs nowadays take more away than they use to including more younger fans.

I stand by that we lost our diehards support due to Tan/Rebrand/Authorities etc

Are you being serious?.wolves /derby both brought poor support to us this season as did smaller clubs like Barnsley and Huddersfield.

Are you being serious?.wolves /derby both brought poor support to us this season as did smaller clubs like Barnsley and Huddersfield.

Its affected most Clubs, you see some big followings some weeks but 9/10 they will either be Clubs that are doing well, games on the doorstep or big Clubs like Leeds, Newcastle, Sheffield Wednesday etc, most other Clubs followings are the same as ours, struggle at different periods but will take a decent following to the odd few games through a season.

I think we will take somewhere between 1500-2000, if we can get over the 2,000 mark then all things considered I think it will be a good following.

Incidentally I was there that time we took 4,000 and in the past Reading would have been a game I was all over when I was in my early 20's with spare cash on the hip. Unfortunately though I will be completely honest and say that this game holds absolutely no interest to me, I would imagine I am probably a good example of the situation for many of my age who have done the trip many times before. For me it was a straight choice, Reading or Leeds and as I have been to Reading 8 times and Elland Road never it was a no brainer. I simply can't afford to do both.

On another point, I think we have lost a generation, when I was watching us regularly away in the 90's and 00's our away support had a massive proportion of young lads in their 20's, as I said above with cash on the hip. When you see other Clubs following's they seem to have what we had then, but now, whilst we seem to have lost it. There used to be 100's if not thousand's of us young lads ranging from 17-25 on trips all getting to know each other from different area's. That seems to be gone now.

I wen't to Preston last season and stopped in Blackpool, there was about 500 there, hardly anyone in Blackpool, a couple of coaches mostly older lads. A trip like that would have had everyone out years ago for a weekend in Blackpool combined with watching Cardiff, every young lad in the town would have been up for it. Where are they now? If we wan't our away following to be boosted we need to get the youngsters into it and enjoying the trips, at the moment that generation seems to have found something else to find their money on. Obviously before anyone takes offence I'm not knocking our youngsters, the ones that do go got my respect but they don't seem to go en masse like those before them did.

That's a really good post. I wonder where they are now? Maybe they just don't like or can't afford modern football. It sounds like Reading is good value on the ticket front though. Hopefully, survival this season and a realistic promotion push next season will attract a few of them away from Tinder and onto the terraces once more

But it does not seemed to have effected other clubs away support,virtually most clubs nowadays take more away than they use to including more younger fans.

I stand by that we lost our diehards support due to Tan/Rebrand/Authorities etc

Annis we can't ignore that fact. I personally know of a few long time city fans that just don't feel like it's the same club since tan come in and therefore don't go. Whether people will admit it or not it's true and these are some of our most passionate fans.

Are you being serious?.wolves /derby both brought poor support to us this season as did smaller clubs like Barnsley and Huddersfield.

Wolves brought 702 fans on a Tuesday night after losing 5 of their last 6 games,thats not that bad,well down on their previous years I agree.

Huddersfield brought over 700 fans,we have been taking 250 and 350 to theirs.

Derby always crap away compared to their home support been shit for 30 years, brought 500 plus to us on a Tuesday night.

Barnsley are a very very small club with their home gates half of ours, 8,000-10,000, yet they brought over 500 to us this season.

We were 3rd worst away supported last season in the Championship and 12 teams beat us in the division below,you can't argue with facts.

Even some Non League clubs take more away than us to some matches.



In the 80's clubs like Barnsley,Huddersfield,Fulham,Blackburn,Charlton,Preston would bring 50-80 fans to us,yet we would take 500-1,000 to them.

I think we will take somewhere between 1500-2000, if we can get over the 2,000 mark then all things considered I think it will be a good following.

Incidentally I was there that time we took 4,000 and in the past Reading would have been a game I was all over when I was in my early 20's with spare cash on the hip. Unfortunately though I will be completely honest and say that this game holds absolutely no interest to me, I would imagine I am probably a good example of the situation for many of my age who have done the trip many times before. For me it was a straight choice, Reading or Leeds and as I have been to Reading 8 times and Elland Road never it was a no brainer. I simply can't afford to do both.

On another point, I think we have lost a generation, when I was watching us regularly away in the 90's and 00's our away support had a massive proportion of young lads in their 20's, as I said above with cash on the hip. When you see other Clubs following's they seem to have what we had then, but now, whilst we seem to have lost it. There used to be 100's if not thousand's of us young lads ranging from 17-25 on trips all getting to know each other from different area's. That seems to be gone now.

I wen't to Preston last season and stopped in Blackpool, there was about 500 there, hardly anyone in Blackpool, a couple of coaches mostly older lads. A trip like that would have had everyone out years ago for a weekend in Blackpool combined with watching Cardiff, every young lad in the town would have been up for it. Where are they now? If we wan't our away following to be boosted we need to get the youngsters into it and enjoying the trips, at the moment that generation seems to have found something else to find their money on. Obviously before anyone takes offence I'm not knocking our youngsters, the ones that do go got my respect but they don't seem to go en masse like those before them did.

That's a really good post. I wonder where they are now? Maybe they just don't like or can't afford modern football. It sounds like Reading is good value on the ticket front though. Hopefully, survival this season and a realistic promotion push next season will attract a few of them away from Tinder and onto the terraces once more

But it does not seemed to have effected other clubs away support,virtually most clubs nowadays take more away than they use to including more younger fans.

I stand by that we lost our diehards support due to Tan/Rebrand/Authorities etc

Annis we can't ignore that fact. I personally know of a few long time city fans that just don't feel like it's the same club since tan come in and therefore don't go. Whether people will admit it or not it's true and these are some of our most passionate fans.

Jack, your saying exactly what I am saying and how I feel nowadays.

Even little Oldham with home crowds of 3,500 took over a 1,000 to Shrewsbury last Saturday, I see it from other clubs week in week out

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Adult - £20
65 and over - £13
17 and under - £5
18 - 24yrs - £10

Great for 18 - 24 year olds. Great for the newer generation to get on the road for away trips with those prices

I agree our away support is disappointing ;especially when you consider our home support is at a record high in relation to our league position.its also strange right through football a club can average 3or4 thousand at home but always take a thousand away regardless of distance.also a club can average 20000at home but only take 500 away unless playing a local derby!

I agree our away support is disappointing ;especially when you consider our home support is at a record high in relation to our league position.its also strange right through football a club can average 3or4 thousand at home but always take a thousand away regardless of distance.also a club can average 20000at home but only take 500 away unless playing a local derby!

That's why they say "Football is a funny old game"

I agree our away support is disappointing ;especially when you consider our home support is at a record high in relation to our league position.its also strange right through football a club can average 3or4 thousand at home but always take a thousand away regardless of distance.also a club can average 20000at home but only take 500 away unless playing a local derby!

If your referring to Oldham they may have took 1000 to Shrewsbury but how many did you ever see them bring to Ninian Park? About 150 I only ever seen from them.

I agree our away support is disappointing ;especially when you consider our home support is at a record high in relation to our league position.its also strange right through football a club can average 3or4 thousand at home but always take a thousand away regardless of distance.also a club can average 20000at home but only take 500 away unless playing a local derby!

If your referring to Oldham they may have took 1000 to Shrewsbury but how many did you ever see them bring to Ninian Park? About 150 I only ever seen from them.

Murphy, I said that in another topic, Oldham, Blackburn,fulham,Charlton ,Preston etc would only bring 50-150 fans to us in the old days and we would take 500-1,500 to them, how times have changed big time.

Great for 18 - 24 year olds. Great for the newer generation to get on the road for away trips with those prices

Brilliant prices

Are our away following really that bad though? I know they have dropped but lets look at it from a positive angle.

We were the 3rd lowest last season with 800 average, there's no getting away from that but in our defence that number would be about 2-300 higher if we hadn't had the amount of ridiculous night games up North we seem to get lumbered with season after season not to mention our games and kick off times getting moved around.

This season we have taken just under 2,000 to Birmingham, 6-700 to Rotherham at a time we were really doing shit, 1500-1600 to Burton Albion which whilst it was a new ground isn't close by any means, Not far off a 1.000 to Newcastle followed by 2.500 to Villa a couple of weeks later, we took over 1,000 to Brentford for a ludicrous early kick off on Boxing Day and were taking 600+ down to Brighton 4 days later for another ridiculously moved Friday night game.

Fast forward two weeks and we take over 2,000 to Bristol City for another game that's had its kick off time moved and are on course to take another 2,000 to Reading only 2 weeks after that.

It's not all bad is it

Are our away following really that bad though? I know they have dropped but lets look at it from a positive angle.

We were the 3rd lowest last season with 800 average, there's no getting away from that but in our defence that number would be about 2-300 higher if we hadn't had the amount of ridiculous night games up North we seem to get lumbered with season after season not to mention our games and kick off times getting moved around.

This season we have taken just under 2,000 to Birmingham, 6-700 to Rotherham at a time we were really doing shit, 1500-1600 to Burton Albion which whilst it was a new ground isn't close by any means, Not far off a 1.000 to Newcastle followed by 2.500 to Villa a couple of weeks later, we took over 1,000 to Brentford for a ludicrous early kick off on Boxing Day and were taking 600+ down to Brighton 4 days later for another ridiculously moved Friday night game.

Fast forward two weeks and we take over 2,000 to Bristol City for another game that's had its kick off time moved and are on course to take another 2,000 to Reading only 2 weeks after that.

It's not all bad is it

Its improving which is excellent news

Are our away following really that bad though? I know they have dropped but lets look at it from a positive angle.

We were the 3rd lowest last season with 800 average, there's no getting away from that but in our defence that number would be about 2-300 higher if we hadn't had the amount of ridiculous night games up North we seem to get lumbered with season after season not to mention our games and kick off times getting moved around.

This season we have taken just under 2,000 to Birmingham, 6-700 to Rotherham at a time we were really doing shit, 1500-1600 to Burton Albion which whilst it was a new ground isn't close by any means, Not far off a 1.000 to Newcastle followed by 2.500 to Villa a couple of weeks later, we took over 1,000 to Brentford for a ludicrous early kick off on Boxing Day and were taking 600+ down to Brighton 4 days later for another ridiculously moved Friday night game.

Fast forward two weeks and we take over 2,000 to Bristol City for another game that's had its kick off time moved and are on course to take another 2,000 to Reading only 2 weeks after that.

It's not all bad is it

100% agree and both the games you mention with idiotic ko times would have sold out easy with a 3 o clock starts.

Are our away following really that bad though? I know they have dropped but lets look at it from a positive angle.

We were the 3rd lowest last season with 800 average, there's no getting away from that but in our defence that number would be about 2-300 higher if we hadn't had the amount of ridiculous night games up North we seem to get lumbered with season after season not to mention our games and kick off times getting moved around.

This season we have taken just under 2,000 to Birmingham, 6-700 to Rotherham at a time we were really doing shit, 1500-1600 to Burton Albion which whilst it was a new ground isn't close by any means, Not far off a 1.000 to Newcastle followed by 2.500 to Villa a couple of weeks later, we took over 1,000 to Brentford for a ludicrous early kick off on Boxing Day and were taking 600+ down to Brighton 4 days later for another ridiculously moved Friday night game.

Fast forward two weeks and we take over 2,000 to Bristol City for another game that's had its kick off time moved and are on course to take another 2,000 to Reading only 2 weeks after that.

It's not all bad is it

100% agree and both the games you mention with idiotic ko times would have sold out easy with a 3 o clock starts.

RV casual is fast becoming my favourite poster. talks sense most of the time and he's spot on again. Some will play the tan card, without doubt some truth in it but the shoots of recovery have started with our support and that is with tan at the helm. We are massively up on last season both home and away and it will only improve. Considering we have been in the bottom 7 all season it's a good effort. Top 7 we would be great again, as for northern trips midweek. Not for me.

Are our away following really that bad though? I know they have dropped but lets look at it from a positive angle.

We were the 3rd lowest last season with 800 average, there's no getting away from that but in our defence that number would be about 2-300 higher if we hadn't had the amount of ridiculous night games up North we seem to get lumbered with season after season not to mention our games and kick off times getting moved around.

This season we have taken just under 2,000 to Birmingham, 6-700 to Rotherham at a time we were really doing shit, 1500-1600 to Burton Albion which whilst it was a new ground isn't close by any means, Not far off a 1.000 to Newcastle followed by 2.500 to Villa a couple of weeks later, we took over 1,000 to Brentford for a ludicrous early kick off on Boxing Day and were taking 600+ down to Brighton 4 days later for another ridiculously moved Friday night game.

Fast forward two weeks and we take over 2,000 to Bristol City for another game that's had its kick off time moved and are on course to take another 2,000 to Reading only 2 weeks after that.

It's not all bad is it

100% agree and both the games you mention with idiotic ko times would have sold out easy with a 3 o clock starts.

Well hopefully 3,000-4,000 for Reading away with FANTASTIC CHEAP PRICES £20 & £5 and even cheaper if a family ticket bought.
3pm,straight up M4,No restrictions at all, No one dislikes them, or their stewards or their police, can leave at anytime late morning or even after 12pm,not live on tv, friendly club,we are doing well, share the petrol in the car £10 each

One of my favourite away trips including the old Elm Park, 14 visits there with City and a couple of times we've taken 4,000 fans

Are our away following really that bad though? I know they have dropped but lets look at it from a positive angle.

We were the 3rd lowest last season with 800 average, there's no getting away from that but in our defence that number would be about 2-300 higher if we hadn't had the amount of ridiculous night games up North we seem to get lumbered with season after season not to mention our games and kick off times getting moved around.

This season we have taken just under 2,000 to Birmingham, 6-700 to Rotherham at a time we were really doing shit, 1500-1600 to Burton Albion which whilst it was a new ground isn't close by any means, Not far off a 1.000 to Newcastle followed by 2.500 to Villa a couple of weeks later, we took over 1,000 to Brentford for a ludicrous early kick off on Boxing Day and were taking 600+ down to Brighton 4 days later for another ridiculously moved Friday night game.

Fast forward two weeks and we take over 2,000 to Bristol City for another game that's had its kick off time moved and are on course to take another 2,000 to Reading only 2 weeks after that.

It's not all bad is it

100% agree and both the games you mention with idiotic ko times would have sold out easy with a 3 o clock starts.

RV casual is fast becoming my favourite poster. talks sense most of the time and he's spot on again. Some will play the tan card, without doubt some truth in it but the shoots of recovery have started with our support and that is with tan at the helm. We are massively up on last season both home and away and it will only improve. Considering we have been in the bottom 7 all season it's a good effort. Top 7 we would be great again, as for northern trips midweek. Not for me.

I play the Tan card Gareth and its true why so many diehards stopped.

So why do you think we've lost our once brilliant away support and last season it was the 3rd worst in the Championship,yet our team ended up 9th from top?

Are our away following really that bad though? I know they have dropped but lets look at it from a positive angle.

We were the 3rd lowest last season with 800 average, there's no getting away from that but in our defence that number would be about 2-300 higher if we hadn't had the amount of ridiculous night games up North we seem to get lumbered with season after season not to mention our games and kick off times getting moved around.

This season we have taken just under 2,000 to Birmingham, 6-700 to Rotherham at a time we were really doing shit, 1500-1600 to Burton Albion which whilst it was a new ground isn't close by any means, Not far off a 1.000 to Newcastle followed by 2.500 to Villa a couple of weeks later, we took over 1,000 to Brentford for a ludicrous early kick off on Boxing Day and were taking 600+ down to Brighton 4 days later for another ridiculously moved Friday night game.

Fast forward two weeks and we take over 2,000 to Bristol City for another game that's had its kick off time moved and are on course to take another 2,000 to Reading only 2 weeks after that.

It's not all bad is it

100% agree and both the games you mention with idiotic ko times would have sold out easy with a 3 o clock starts.

RV casual is fast becoming my favourite poster. talks sense most of the time and he's spot on again. Some will play the tan card, without doubt some truth in it but the shoots of recovery have started with our support and that is with tan at the helm. We are massively up on last season both home and away and it will only improve. Considering we have been in the bottom 7 all season it's a good effort. Top 7 we would be great again, as for northern trips midweek. Not for me.

I play the Tan card Gareth and its true why so many diehards stopped.

So why do you think we've lost our once brilliant away support and last season it was the 3rd worst in the Championship,yet our team ended up 9th from top?

Told you before and it's been mentioned so many times. People grow up have families, that age range from 15-30 when we had so many back in the day have moved on. Many still watch city and many still go away but not as frequent. But ultimately one thing blows everything out the water. Success on the pitch and that's a fact. Like I said many will genuinely not go because of tan but you will find a lot of the same people who said they won't watch us in red will be playing the tan card and we know what happened there.

Are our away following really that bad though? I know they have dropped but lets look at it from a positive angle.

We were the 3rd lowest last season with 800 average, there's no getting away from that but in our defence that number would be about 2-300 higher if we hadn't had the amount of ridiculous night games up North we seem to get lumbered with season after season not to mention our games and kick off times getting moved around.

This season we have taken just under 2,000 to Birmingham, 6-700 to Rotherham at a time we were really doing shit, 1500-1600 to Burton Albion which whilst it was a new ground isn't close by any means, Not far off a 1.000 to Newcastle followed by 2.500 to Villa a couple of weeks later, we took over 1,000 to Brentford for a ludicrous early kick off on Boxing Day and were taking 600+ down to Brighton 4 days later for another ridiculously moved Friday night game.

Fast forward two weeks and we take over 2,000 to Bristol City for another game that's had its kick off time moved and are on course to take another 2,000 to Reading only 2 weeks after that.

It's not all bad is it

100% agree and both the games you mention with idiotic ko times would have sold out easy with a 3 o clock starts.

RV casual is fast becoming my favourite poster. talks sense most of the time and he's spot on again. Some will play the tan card, without doubt some truth in it but the shoots of recovery have started with our support and that is with tan at the helm. We are massively up on last season both home and away and it will only improve. Considering we have been in the bottom 7 all season it's a good effort. Top 7 we would be great again, as for northern trips midweek. Not for me.

I play the Tan card Gareth and its true why so many diehards stopped.

So why do you think we've lost our once brilliant away support and last season it was the 3rd worst in the Championship,yet our team ended up 9th from top?

Told you before and it's been mentioned so many times. People grow up have families, that age range from 15-30 when we had so many back in the day have moved on. Many still watch city and many still go away but not as frequent. But ultimately one thing blows everything out the water. Success on the pitch and that's a fact. Like I said many will genuinely not go because of tan but you will find a lot of the same people who said they won't watch us in red will be playing the tan card and we know what happened there.

But surely Gareth that happens at every club 'People grow up have families, that age range from 15-30' ?

More kids come through to watch City surely?

Tan/Rebrand/Passion was broken thats my honest opinion.

Are our away following really that bad though? I know they have dropped but lets look at it from a positive angle.

We were the 3rd lowest last season with 800 average, there's no getting away from that but in our defence that number would be about 2-300 higher if we hadn't had the amount of ridiculous night games up North we seem to get lumbered with season after season not to mention our games and kick off times getting moved around.

This season we have taken just under 2,000 to Birmingham, 6-700 to Rotherham at a time we were really doing shit, 1500-1600 to Burton Albion which whilst it was a new ground isn't close by any means, Not far off a 1.000 to Newcastle followed by 2.500 to Villa a couple of weeks later, we took over 1,000 to Brentford for a ludicrous early kick off on Boxing Day and were taking 600+ down to Brighton 4 days later for another ridiculously moved Friday night game.

Fast forward two weeks and we take over 2,000 to Bristol City for another game that's had its kick off time moved and are on course to take another 2,000 to Reading only 2 weeks after that.

It's not all bad is it

100% agree and both the games you mention with idiotic ko times would have sold out easy with a 3 o clock starts.

RV casual is fast becoming my favourite poster. talks sense most of the time and he's spot on again. Some will play the tan card, without doubt some truth in it but the shoots of recovery have started with our support and that is with tan at the helm. We are massively up on last season both home and away and it will only improve. Considering we have been in the bottom 7 all season it's a good effort. Top 7 we would be great again, as for northern trips midweek. Not for me.

I play the Tan card Gareth and its true why so many diehards stopped.

So why do you think we've lost our once brilliant away support and last season it was the 3rd worst in the Championship,yet our team ended up 9th from top?

Told you before and it's been mentioned so many times. People grow up have families, that age range from 15-30 when we had so many back in the day have moved on. Many still watch city and many still go away but not as frequent. But ultimately one thing blows everything out the water. Success on the pitch and that's a fact. Like I said many will genuinely not go because of tan but you will find a lot of the same people who said they won't watch us in red will be playing the tan card and we know what happened there.

But surely Gareth that happens at every club 'People grow up have families, that age range from 15-30' ?

More kids come through to watch City surely?

Tan/Rebrand/Passion was broken thats my honest opinion.

Fair point, but we were slightly unique with the percentage going away as opposed to our home crowds. As for growing up, I don't think any of us will. Love it.

Are our away following really that bad though? I know they have dropped but lets look at it from a positive angle.

We were the 3rd lowest last season with 800 average, there's no getting away from that but in our defence that number would be about 2-300 higher if we hadn't had the amount of ridiculous night games up North we seem to get lumbered with season after season not to mention our games and kick off times getting moved around.

This season we have taken just under 2,000 to Birmingham, 6-700 to Rotherham at a time we were really doing shit, 1500-1600 to Burton Albion which whilst it was a new ground isn't close by any means, Not far off a 1.000 to Newcastle followed by 2.500 to Villa a couple of weeks later, we took over 1,000 to Brentford for a ludicrous early kick off on Boxing Day and were taking 600+ down to Brighton 4 days later for another ridiculously moved Friday night game.

Fast forward two weeks and we take over 2,000 to Bristol City for another game that's had its kick off time moved and are on course to take another 2,000 to Reading only 2 weeks after that.

It's not all bad is it

100% agree and both the games you mention with idiotic ko times would have sold out easy with a 3 o clock starts.

RV casual is fast becoming my favourite poster. talks sense most of the time and he's spot on again. Some will play the tan card, without doubt some truth in it but the shoots of recovery have started with our support and that is with tan at the helm. We are massively up on last season both home and away and it will only improve. Considering we have been in the bottom 7 all season it's a good effort. Top 7 we would be great again, as for northern trips midweek. Not for me.

I play the Tan card Gareth and its true why so many diehards stopped.

So why do you think we've lost our once brilliant away support and last season it was the 3rd worst in the Championship,yet our team ended up 9th from top?

Told you before and it's been mentioned so many times. People grow up have families, that age range from 15-30 when we had so many back in the day have moved on. Many still watch city and many still go away but not as frequent. But ultimately one thing blows everything out the water. Success on the pitch and that's a fact. Like I said many will genuinely not go because of tan but you will find a lot of the same people who said they won't watch us in red will be playing the tan card and we know what happened there.

But surely Gareth that happens at every club 'People grow up have families, that age range from 15-30' ?

More kids come through to watch City surely?

Tan/Rebrand/Passion was broken thats my honest opinion.

Fair point, but we were slightly unique with the percentage going away as opposed to our home crowds. As for growing up, I don't think any of us will. Love it.

Are our away following really that bad though? I know they have dropped but lets look at it from a positive angle.

We were the 3rd lowest last season with 800 average, there's no getting away from that but in our defence that number would be about 2-300 higher if we hadn't had the amount of ridiculous night games up North we seem to get lumbered with season after season not to mention our games and kick off times getting moved around.

This season we have taken just under 2,000 to Birmingham, 6-700 to Rotherham at a time we were really doing shit, 1500-1600 to Burton Albion which whilst it was a new ground isn't close by any means, Not far off a 1.000 to Newcastle followed by 2.500 to Villa a couple of weeks later, we took over 1,000 to Brentford for a ludicrous early kick off on Boxing Day and were taking 600+ down to Brighton 4 days later for another ridiculously moved Friday night game.

Fast forward two weeks and we take over 2,000 to Bristol City for another game that's had its kick off time moved and are on course to take another 2,000 to Reading only 2 weeks after that.

It's not all bad is it

100% agree and both the games you mention with idiotic ko times would have sold out easy with a 3 o clock starts.

RV casual is fast becoming my favourite poster. talks sense most of the time and he's spot on again. Some will play the tan card, without doubt some truth in it but the shoots of recovery have started with our support and that is with tan at the helm. We are massively up on last season both home and away and it will only improve. Considering we have been in the bottom 7 all season it's a good effort. Top 7 we would be great again, as for northern trips midweek. Not for me.

I play the Tan card Gareth and its true why so many diehards stopped.

So why do you think we've lost our once brilliant away support and last season it was the 3rd worst in the Championship,yet our team ended up 9th from top?

our away support had taken a massive hit before Tan upset anyone, i went to Doncaster, Sheffield,Burnley and Palace on the run in during DJs final season,we had a real chance of winning promotion to the prem, yet sold out for none of those games.
it was decent away support but nowhere near what id have expected.
like others i do see a recovery this year and defo the average age of those travelling has plumeted.

I think we will take somewhere between 1500-2000, if we can get over the 2,000 mark then all things considered I think it will be a good following.

Incidentally I was there that time we took 4,000 and in the past Reading would have been a game I was all over when I was in my early 20's with spare cash on the hip. Unfortunately though I will be completely honest and say that this game holds absolutely no interest to me, I would imagine I am probably a good example of the situation for many of my age who have done the trip many times before. For me it was a straight choice, Reading or Leeds and as I have been to Reading 8 times and Elland Road never it was a no brainer. I simply can't afford to do both.

On another point, I think we have lost a generation, when I was watching us regularly away in the 90's and 00's our away support had a massive proportion of young lads in their 20's, as I said above with cash on the hip. When you see other Clubs following's they seem to have what we had then, but now, whilst we seem to have lost it. There used to be 100's if not thousand's of us young lads ranging from 17-25 on trips all getting to know each other from different area's. That seems to be gone now.

I wen't to Preston last season and stopped in Blackpool, there was about 500 there, hardly anyone in Blackpool, a couple of coaches mostly older lads. A trip like that would have had everyone out years ago for a weekend in Blackpool combined with watching Cardiff, every young lad in the town would have been up for it. Where are they now? If we wan't our away following to be boosted we need to get the youngsters into it and enjoying the trips, at the moment that generation seems to have found something else to find their money on. Obviously before anyone takes offence I'm not knocking our youngsters, the ones that do go got my respect but they don't seem to go en masse like those before them did.

That's a really good post. I wonder where they are now? Maybe they just don't like or can't afford modern football. It sounds like Reading is good value on the ticket front though. Hopefully, survival this season and a realistic promotion push next season will attract a few of them away from Tinder and onto the terraces once more

Or bringing up children and spending time with the family. It's an age thing, the young get older and the production line usually continues only this time the production line is a bit slower. It's picking back up though, without doubt.

Agree with you about the kids I can't get away as much now with a 15 month year old if I'm not working the Mrs is

I think we will take somewhere between 1500-2000, if we can get over the 2,000 mark then all things considered I think it will be a good following.

Incidentally I was there that time we took 4,000 and in the past Reading would have been a game I was all over when I was in my early 20's with spare cash on the hip. Unfortunately though I will be completely honest and say that this game holds absolutely no interest to me, I would imagine I am probably a good example of the situation for many of my age who have done the trip many times before. For me it was a straight choice, Reading or Leeds and as I have been to Reading 8 times and Elland Road never it was a no brainer. I simply can't afford to do both.

On another point, I think we have lost a generation, when I was watching us regularly away in the 90's and 00's our away support had a massive proportion of young lads in their 20's, as I said above with cash on the hip. When you see other Clubs following's they seem to have what we had then, but now, whilst we seem to have lost it. There used to be 100's if not thousand's of us young lads ranging from 17-25 on trips all getting to know each other from different area's. That seems to be gone now.

I wen't to Preston last season and stopped in Blackpool, there was about 500 there, hardly anyone in Blackpool, a couple of coaches mostly older lads. A trip like that would have had everyone out years ago for a weekend in Blackpool combined with watching Cardiff, every young lad in the town would have been up for it. Where are they now? If we wan't our away following to be boosted we need to get the youngsters into it and enjoying the trips, at the moment that generation seems to have found something else to find their money on. Obviously before anyone takes offence I'm not knocking our youngsters, the ones that do go got my respect but they don't seem to go en masse like those before them did.

That's a really good post. I wonder where they are now? Maybe they just don't like or can't afford modern football. It sounds like Reading is good value on the ticket front though. Hopefully, survival this season and a realistic promotion push next season will attract a few of them away from Tinder and onto the terraces once more

But it does not seemed to have effected other clubs away support,virtually most clubs nowadays take more away than they use to including more younger fans.

I stand by that we lost our diehards support due to Tan/Rebrand/Authorities etc

That's a good point. I think there is a lot of truth in what you say as other clubs seem to still take heaps away. The rebrand really affected me. I will never forget all those red scarfs when Tan handed them out. It hurt like hell.

As for growing up, I don't think any of us will. Love it.

Lol. You're not wrong there mate. I'm 45 going on 18 where football, fashion and music is involved.

I think we will take somewhere between 1500-2000, if we can get over the 2,000 mark then all things considered I think it will be a good following.

Incidentally I was there that time we took 4,000 and in the past Reading would have been a game I was all over when I was in my early 20's with spare cash on the hip. Unfortunately though I will be completely honest and say that this game holds absolutely no interest to me, I would imagine I am probably a good example of the situation for many of my age who have done the trip many times before. For me it was a straight choice, Reading or Leeds and as I have been to Reading 8 times and Elland Road never it was a no brainer. I simply can't afford to do both.

On another point, I think we have lost a generation, when I was watching us regularly away in the 90's and 00's our away support had a massive proportion of young lads in their 20's, as I said above with cash on the hip. When you see other Clubs following's they seem to have what we had then, but now, whilst we seem to have lost it. There used to be 100's if not thousand's of us young lads ranging from 17-25 on trips all getting to know each other from different area's. That seems to be gone now.

I wen't to Preston last season and stopped in Blackpool, there was about 500 there, hardly anyone in Blackpool, a couple of coaches mostly older lads. A trip like that would have had everyone out years ago for a weekend in Blackpool combined with watching Cardiff, every young lad in the town would have been up for it. Where are they now? If we wan't our away following to be boosted we need to get the youngsters into it and enjoying the trips, at the moment that generation seems to have found something else to find their money on. Obviously before anyone takes offence I'm not knocking our youngsters, the ones that do go got my respect but they don't seem to go en masse like those before them did.

That's a really good post. I wonder where they are now? Maybe they just don't like or can't afford modern football. It sounds like Reading is good value on the ticket front though. Hopefully, survival this season and a realistic promotion push next season will attract a few of them away from Tinder and onto the terraces once more

But it does not seemed to have effected other clubs away support,virtually most clubs nowadays take more away than they use to including more younger fans.

I stand by that we lost our diehards support due to Tan/Rebrand/Authorities etc

That's a good point. I think there is a lot of truth in what you say as other clubs seem to still take heaps away. The rebrand really affected me. I will never forget all those red scarfs when Tan handed them out. It hurt like hell.

Other clubs have actually increased their away supports, ,Many lower division clubs take more than us away and Ive watched videos of them, plenty of passion and 100's of youngsters coming through, we do have a problem, but many on here try to hide it,we have lost our once brilliant away support.

Small clubs like Wrexham take hundreds everywhere, years ago they were a joke compared to us and now they are even in the Non league and crap on the pitch.

As for growing up, I don't think any of us will. Love it.

Lol. You're not wrong there mate. I'm 45 going on 18 where football, fashion and music is involved.

And me