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Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:17 am

Jimmy five bellies, rinsed him and dumped when he was skint. Left him well alone after making him a fulltime alcoholic, but he'll happily say his two penance if any tabloid asks his opinion if they cross his palm with silver. Gazza needs sectioning and the right meds, which could be tailored to suit him enough to be independent again. I know people this has worked for the med's are the tricky bit as every individual case is unique. Anyhow good luck Gazza, "I'd cry too if I was English" was a favourite shirt of mine as teenager as was his skills on the pitch.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:51 am

Bushy Eyebrows wrote:Jimmy five bellies, rinsed him and dumped when he was skint. Left him well alone after making him a fulltime alcoholic, but he'll happily say his two penance if any tabloid asks his opinion if they cross his palm with silver. Gazza needs sectioning and the right meds, which could be tailored to suit him enough to be independent again. I know people this has worked for the med's are the tricky bit as every individual case is unique. Anyhow good luck Gazza, "I'd cry too if I was English" was a favourite shirt of mine as teenager as was his skills on the pitch.



Yeah he was great to watch for Spurs no one can take that from him.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:05 am

Watched Gazza play for Rangers many times and he gave me some of my happiest football memories. Tragically, I don't believe he'll be around much longer. I gave up the drink many years ago but I had a fantastic loving family around me. Gazza's family seem absent in his troubles. He loved to play football and played it with a childlike joy. When he finished playing he had nothing to fill the void.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:18 am

Today is the Rangers Celtic game and before kickoff directors of both clubs drink a toast from the Loving Cup ( presented to Rangers by Stoke as a thankyou for playing a benefit after a mining disaster) anyhow as they sat down to make the toast the door flew open and Gazza, in full kit, burst in grabbed a glass, poured himself a massive whiskey, necked it in one then ran onto the pitch.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:23 am

Bushy Eyebrows wrote:Jimmy five bellies, rinsed him and dumped when he was skint. Left him well alone after making him a fulltime alcoholic, but he'll happily say his two penance if any tabloid asks his opinion if they cross his palm with silver. Gazza needs sectioning and the right meds, which could be tailored to suit him enough to be independent again. I know people this has worked for the med's are the tricky bit as every individual case is unique. Anyhow good luck Gazza, "I'd cry too if I was English" was a favourite shirt of mine as teenager as was his skills on the pitch.

There was a documentary about Gazza playing in China, to help him settle in Five Bellies and Gazzas dad were flown out. Rather than staying with him they both fu,cked off to Hong Kong living La Vida loco at Gazzas expense. Summed them up for me.

Re: Gazza in the wars again

Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:08 am

Nuclearblue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:Silly selfish Man

He's ill

No he's Fooking drunk. If he is ill he can cure himself by not drinking. Those with Cancer and Parkinson's, MS, etc etc are ill. I bet they wish all they had to do was give up drinking for them to be cured. Harsh but very true. There is help there for him but he is a weak selfish man. And I have zero sympathy for him. Sorry



He has had so many chances to stop and CHOSEN not to :(

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:17 am

Jock wrote:Today is the Rangers Celtic game and before kickoff directors of both clubs drink a toast from the Loving Cup ( presented to Rangers by Stoke as a thankyou for playing a benefit after a mining disaster) anyhow as they sat down to make the toast the door flew open and Gazza, in full kit, burst in grabbed a glass, poured himself a massive whiskey, necked it in one then ran onto the pitch.


I seen the gazza documentary and read his book. He was too soft with people around him. Who were using him as a pay slip. Some of the stories in his book/docu are brilliant 1 of the best I've seen /read. Alot of his troubles started when the little boy who he was taking to football got knocked over and killed in front of him.

Re: Gazza in the wars again

Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:56 am

Fusilier23 wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:Silly selfish Man

He's ill

No he's Fooking drunk. If he is ill he can cure himself by not drinking. Those with Cancer and Parkinson's, MS, etc etc are ill. I bet they wish all they had to do was give up drinking for them to be cured. Harsh but very true. There is help there for him but he is a weak selfish man. And I have zero sympathy for him. Sorry



He has had so many chances to stop and CHOSEN not to :(

Harsh but fair, in his heart I think he has a death wish.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:01 am

Jock wrote:
Bushy Eyebrows wrote:Jimmy five bellies, rinsed him and dumped when he was skint. Left him well alone after making him a fulltime alcoholic, but he'll happily say his two penance if any tabloid asks his opinion if they cross his palm with silver. Gazza needs sectioning and the right meds, which could be tailored to suit him enough to be independent again. I know people this has worked for the med's are the tricky bit as every individual case is unique. Anyhow good luck Gazza, "I'd cry too if I was English" was a favourite shirt of mine as teenager as was his skills on the pitch.

There was a documentary about Gazza playing in China, to help him settle in Five Bellies and Gazzas dad were flown out. Rather than staying with him they both fu,cked off to Hong Kong living La Vida loco at Gazzas expense. Summed them up for me.


I remember it clearly. He was having panic attacks and crying his eyes out in the hotel and they were smashing fyck out of his credit card.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:05 am

Addiction is definitely an illness. It's a bit like telling someone who suffers from depression to ''cheer up you selfish git''. If you combine the deaths per year from addiction and depression you would probably outnumber cancer. Often they go hand in hand too which is even more tragic.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:50 pm

Spot on walha. That's it in a nutshell.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:07 pm

Wayne S wrote:A new low for a few on here.

Alcoholism and obesity are bourne from mental issues like depression.

People are just too judgemental without having all the facts.

It's all very sad.


I disagree here about obesity, that is down to being bloody greedy, lots of people say they are obese because they comfort eat, that is just an excuse, they just like to feed their face, you don't need that much willpower to cut down on your food, giving up smoking is much harder, and as for alcohol very hard even with help, there may be people out there who have mental problems regarding food, but they are in the minority, obese people love food. there is an old saying " you should eat to live, not live to eat" which is absolutely true :thumbup:

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:39 pm

I know I have been harsh but it is true. Many saying he should be sectioned but he has been many a time but they can't keep him there for ever. As soon as he leaves he back on the bottle. He is selfish because he won't help himself. He was a fantastic player one of the best I have seen but in the end the alcohol stopped him being an all time great.
Everyone laughed at George Best comments over his drinking he became an icon with it. But it didn't do him any good in the end did it ?

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:54 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:I know I have been harsh but it is true. Many saying he should be sectioned but he has been many a time but they can't keep him there for ever. As soon as he leaves he back on the bottle. He is selfish because he won't help himself. He was a fantastic player one of the best I have seen but in the end the alcohol stopped him being an all time great.
Everyone laughed at George Best comments over his drinking he became an icon with it. But it didn't do him any good in the end did it ?


Nonsense in my opinion.
He's not selfish because he 'wont' help himself - he 'can't' help himself. He's tried and been admitted many times but the addiction is too strong along with his mental issues. He's ill.
Just like Best who actually had a liver transplant but again his addiction just like Gazza's was too strong for him to stop. I don't see how Best was selfish either.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:59 pm

Best was absolutely selfish, he had a liver that could have gone to some other poor soul, that probably died, he had a second chance and shit on it, if that is not selfish then I don't know what is :thumbup:

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:18 pm

Igovernor wrote:Best was absolutely selfish, he had a liver that could have gone to some other poor soul, that probably died, he had a second chance and shit on it, if that is not selfish then I don't know what is :thumbup:


I take your point but again he tried and his addiction was uncontollable. So much so that he knew he would die but still couldn't stop.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:23 pm

That is what I am saying, if he knew he was going to die, why take the liver, when it could have gone to someone else? that was selfish

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:31 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:I know I have been harsh but it is true. Many saying he should be sectioned but he has been many a time but they can't keep him there for ever. As soon as he leaves he back on the bottle. He is selfish because he won't help himself. He was a fantastic player one of the best I have seen but in the end the alcohol stopped him being an all time great.
Everyone laughed at George Best comments over his drinking he became an icon with it. But it didn't do him any good in the end did it ?


If he could help himself I am bloody sure he would. The point is, he can't. He knows his life is in tatters due to it, he knows he has cut his life by probably 25 years, the fact he hasn't stopped shows how much of a hold it has over him. He isn't doing it for a laugh, he depends on it to survive. I would say that if he gave up drinking this week without help, he would die the week after. His body will have become dependant on it just in the same way as your body has become dependant on food and water.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:45 pm

I think people get a chip on their shoulder when they hear about cases like this particularly if they have beat addiction themselves! I think they feel a sense of anger when they think of what Gazza has and is throwing away!

Is it just a case of will power? I don't think it is as simple as all that. I consider myself to have bags more will power than normal and when I set my mind to it I am really stuborn!

Thats the perfect mentality to help you beat addiction and to succeed but it is not as simple as that. Other issues will hinder you, you might be deeply unhappy or have mental issues that just wont allow you to get on top besides just feeling sorry for yourself.

New Years Eve 2006 I gave up Cigerettes just like that despite people stuffing them in my face all night and encouraging me I haven't smoked since! People often get jealous when they see you fighting and part of them want you to fail and who knows what hangers on Gazza has!

Shortly after that I quit alchohol for 6 months despite drinking heavily and being alchohol dependant and now have a drink every few months. I took up running in 2007 and by 2010 I was ranked the 60th fastest Half Marathon runner in Wales. I since finshed third in The Welsh Cross Country Champs and have rekindled my form recently and plan on being one of the best Vet 40 runners in Wales.

I always look at everything as a challenge and I love the physical struggle of bettering myself. I do not know what Gazza is going through and I do not know what is going on in his head so I will not judge him though!

I have beat alchohol dependance but was never an alchoholic and there is a big difference. I do not know what demons are in Gazza's head or around him and I cannot even hazard a guess at what it is like to be him! :?

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:49 pm

Igovernor wrote:
Wayne S wrote:A new low for a few on here.

Alcoholism and obesity are bourne from mental issues like depression.

People are just too judgemental without having all the facts.

It's all very sad.


I disagree here about obesity, that is down to being bloody greedy, lots of people say they are obese because they comfort eat, that is just an excuse, they just like to feed their face, you don't need that much willpower to cut down on your food, giving up smoking is much harder, and as for alcohol very hard even with help, there may be people out there who have mental problems regarding food, but they are in the minority, obese people love food. there is an old saying " you should eat to live, not live to eat" which is absolutely true :thumbup:


What a load of crap, who are you to say that one addiction is harder than another exactly?

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:01 pm

RV Casual wrote:
Igovernor wrote:
Wayne S wrote:A new low for a few on here.

Alcoholism and obesity are bourne from mental issues like depression.

People are just too judgemental without having all the facts.

It's all very sad.


I disagree here about obesity, that is down to being bloody greedy, lots of people say they are obese because they comfort eat, that is just an excuse, they just like to feed their face, you don't need that much willpower to cut down on your food, giving up smoking is much harder, and as for alcohol very hard even with help, there may be people out there who have mental problems regarding food, but they are in the minority, obese people love food. there is an old saying " you should eat to live, not live to eat" which is absolutely true :thumbup:


What a load of crap, who are you to say that one addiction is harder than another exactly?


An addiction or mental problem is unique to that person whether it be binge/comfort eating, boozing, gambling, having an eating disorder such as bulimia/anorexia, body dsymorphia, drug addict the list goes on.

The Fat person says its easy to give up smoking, the smoker says its easy to give up food, the piss head says its easy to give up drugs, the drugy says its easy to give up booze.

They are all in the same boat. None of them are any easier than the other.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:57 pm

Since when is obesity and addiction? what a load of crap :thumbup:

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:51 am

RV Casual wrote:
RV Casual wrote:
Igovernor wrote:
Wayne S wrote:A new low for a few on here.

Alcoholism and obesity are bourne from mental issues like depression.

People are just too judgemental without having all the facts.

It's all very sad.


I disagree here about obesity, that is down to being bloody greedy, lots of people say they are obese because they comfort eat, that is just an excuse, they just like to feed their face, you don't need that much willpower to cut down on your food, giving up smoking is much harder, and as for alcohol very hard even with help, there may be people out there who have mental problems regarding food, but they are in the minority, obese people love food. there is an old saying " you should eat to live, not live to eat" which is absolutely true :thumbup:


What a load of crap, who are you to say that one addiction is harder than another exactly?


An addiction or mental problem is unique to that person whether it be binge/comfort eating, boozing, gambling, having an eating disorder such as bulimia/anorexia, body dsymorphia, drug addict the list goes on.

The Fat person says its easy to give up smoking, the smoker says its easy to give up food, the piss head says its easy to give up drugs, the drugy says its easy to give up booze.

They are all in the same boat. None of them are any easier than the other.



Spare a thought for me Ive got problems with all four and suffer from depression!!!

On a serious note, even though I partake in all four, I battle daily one of the vices and even when you think you've beaten it after months / years doing well I can have a day where I just go nuts and I'm back to square one.

Unlike the other 3 you cannot hide a gambling addiction. Even though it fucks you mentally, physically you can get away with it. However I don't want any pity I know I'm the only one who can sort myself out and 99% of the time I'm ok but that 1% is always a reminder you've got an addiction.

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:48 am

Igovernor wrote:Since when is obesity and addiction? what a load of crap :thumbup:


Since when is anything an addiction?

An addiction is unique to the person, its as simple as that.

You have made a sweeping generalization about people that are obese, you claim that it is much harder to stop smoking than it is for someone to stop eating, how can you possibly know that?

Someone could be eating as a comfort after losing a child, after losing a partner, after suffering child abuse, anything, the list is endless, they start eating, they put on weight, get obese the cycle goes on.

Same as a drug addict, a gambler, a smoker, an alcoholic, its easy to sit back and judge and say just stop, but unless you have been in, or had dealing's with someone in that situation your never going to understand it.

Of course there are greedy fat people out there, same as there are down and out selfish piss heads, problem gamblers, thieving drug addicts, selfish chain smokers who would rather buy a pack of fags than tan give their kids a few quid to go out.

They are all in the same boat, there's not one that's easier than the other, they are all dealing with their own personal battles, same as Gazza is.

:thumbup:

Re: " Gazza's Cry for help "

Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:54 am

polo wrote:
RV Casual wrote:
RV Casual wrote:
Igovernor wrote:
Wayne S wrote:A new low for a few on here.

Alcoholism and obesity are bourne from mental issues like depression.

People are just too judgemental without having all the facts.

It's all very sad.


I disagree here about obesity, that is down to being bloody greedy, lots of people say they are obese because they comfort eat, that is just an excuse, they just like to feed their face, you don't need that much willpower to cut down on your food, giving up smoking is much harder, and as for alcohol very hard even with help, there may be people out there who have mental problems regarding food, but they are in the minority, obese people love food. there is an old saying " you should eat to live, not live to eat" which is absolutely true :thumbup:


What a load of crap, who are you to say that one addiction is harder than another exactly?


An addiction or mental problem is unique to that person whether it be binge/comfort eating, boozing, gambling, having an eating disorder such as bulimia/anorexia, body dsymorphia, drug addict the list goes on.

The Fat person says its easy to give up smoking, the smoker says its easy to give up food, the piss head says its easy to give up drugs, the drugy says its easy to give up booze.

They are all in the same boat. None of them are any easier than the other.



Spare a thought for me Ive got problems with all four and suffer from depression!!!

On a serious note, even though I partake in all four, I battle daily one of the vices and even when you think you've beaten it after months / years doing well I can have a day where I just go nuts and I'm back to square one.

Unlike the other 3 you cannot hide a gambling addiction. Even though it fucks you mentally, physically you can get away with it. However I don't want any pity I know I'm the only one who can sort myself out and 99% of the time I'm ok but that 1% is always a reminder you've got an addiction.


I understand it mate, I have had my own battles over the years, wish you nothing but the best fella :thumbup:

At the end of the day, everyone's entitled to their opinion but one thing I can't stand in life is judgmental pricks, every case is unique at the end of the day. There's no one solution for anything as I'm sure you know all to well.