If we climb the table will the floating fans return?

Its double trouble for me

1- We lost our hooligan element or those who loved terrace culture. We are a sanitised modern club now in many ways. Ninian Park was one of the last bastions of that era, we were slow to move on, and it took a few years for those lads to realise that. Its still there but a minor compared to our "heydays"

2- The soccer am generation or modern fan see it as entertainment. The football is not only the entertainment but the atmosphere, sense of belonging and not wanting to miss out. 28K wanting that goal against Pompey (Conway i remember) was such a feeling. Getting promoted was better than being there.£400 for a season is a lot of money when you watch premier league football for free on your tablet and that makes you a football fan, so socially accepted.

South Wales does not have a history of supporting losing teams in any sport. Everyone loves a winner, so we need to be setting up for a challenge next season when season ticket go on sale or we will be stopping where we are now.

The lads were loyal no matter what in the 70's,80's and 90's to Cardiff City and they had massive passion for the team.
Pompey/Bradford City Support their club no matter how bad they've done in the lower divisions.

I personally blame two people for the passion/loyalty gone Vincent Tan and Wayne Nash and I stand by that

Don't Pompey and Bradford still play in their original stadium though. Are they like Leeds and the Sheffield clubs still old school ?

Its double trouble for me

1- We lost our hooligan element or those who loved terrace culture. We are a sanitised modern club now in many ways. Ninian Park was one of the last bastions of that era, we were slow to move on, and it took a few years for those lads to realise that. Its still there but a minor compared to our "heydays"

2- The soccer am generation or modern fan see it as entertainment. The football is not only the entertainment but the atmosphere, sense of belonging and not wanting to miss out. 28K wanting that goal against Pompey (Conway i remember) was such a feeling. Getting promoted was better than being there.£400 for a season is a lot of money when you watch premier league football for free on your tablet and that makes you a football fan, so socially accepted.

South Wales does not have a history of supporting losing teams in any sport. Everyone loves a winner, so we need to be setting up for a challenge next season when season ticket go on sale or we will be stopping where we are now.

The lads were loyal no matter what in the 70's,80's and 90's to Cardiff City and they had massive passion for the team.
Pompey/Bradford City Support their club no matter how bad they've done in the lower divisions.

I personally blame two people for the passion/loyalty gone Vincent Tan and Wayne Nash and I stand by that

Father's have to take some of the blame, I'm a dad and my 13year old has been brought up fiercely Cardiff City yet there are still so many Chelsea Liverpool ManUre etc families in South Wales still turning a blind eye to their local clubs.

Nothing grinds my gears more than to hear my cousins (Ely boys) talking about Liverpool as "our' team and "we" played well......they've never even been to Liverpool let alone anfield.

Don't Pompey and Bradford still play in their original stadium though. Are they like Leeds and the Sheffield clubs still old school ?

Yes they do, although Bradfords as you know burnt down to the ground and it's a brand new stadium on the original site.
You have a fair point there all those 4 Clubs well supported and old school

Whilst for a lot of us watching the City is more of a religion, for the majority of people it is actually an entertainment. Even during Malky's time the entertainment in the Championship wasn't great and it took a while for crowds to really ramp up.

OGS, Slade and Trollope took us to new depths of boredom/ineptitude and even I was sat there last season considering, for the first time in 40 odd years, whether it was really worth my time/money. The start of this season virtually convinced me that my time was up and this would be my last season as a season ticket holder.

However, Warnock came in and suddenly the team were fired up, the crowd is starting to wake up and I'm enjoying this season as much as the DJ era, plus we don't have to worry about being wound up any time soon

My point is that those fans will come back if they are getting value for their buck. It's not really about winning or losing, although winning obviously helps !!, but about having a team that will give it a go despite their shortcomings.

People do tend to forget that the massive upsurge in season ticket holders 8/9 years ago was down to the new stadium, 5 year price freeze and, most importantly, the prospect of two trips to Wembley and tickets to go with that. But we also had a hugely entertaining team, with all it's failings, that got you off your seat for the majority of games.

We are going in the right direction. Warnock will sort out the football side and it appears there is some forward planning with Bellamy being brought back into the fold. I actually think that if the club does show some ambition in the transfer market in January we will start to see a return to 17/18,000 crowds and then next season will get very interesting if progress is maintained.

All my opinion and from talking to people, I may be too optimistic but we'll see.

Now this , this makes sense .

Its double trouble for me

1- We lost our hooligan element or those who loved terrace culture. We are a sanitised modern club now in many ways. Ninian Park was one of the last bastions of that era, we were slow to move on, and it took a few years for those lads to realise that. Its still there but a minor compared to our "heydays"

2- The soccer am generation or modern fan see it as entertainment. The football is not only the entertainment but the atmosphere, sense of belonging and not wanting to miss out. 28K wanting that goal against Pompey (Conway i remember) was such a feeling. Getting promoted was better than being there.£400 for a season is a lot of money when you watch premier league football for free on your tablet and that makes you a football fan, so socially accepted.

South Wales does not have a history of supporting losing teams in any sport. Everyone loves a winner, so we need to be setting up for a challenge next season when season ticket go on sale or we will be stopping where we are now.

The lads were loyal no matter what in the 70's,80's and 90's to Cardiff City and they had massive passion for the team.
Pompey/Bradford City Support their club no matter how bad they've done in the lower divisions.

I personally blame two people for the passion/loyalty gone Vincent Tan and Wayne Nash and I stand by that

Father's have to take some of the blame, I'm a dad and my 13year old has been brought up fiercely Cardiff City yet there are still so many Chelsea Liverpool ManUre etc families in South Wales still turning a blind eye to their local clubs.

Nothing grinds my gears more than to hear my cousins (Ely boys) talking about Liverpool as "our' team and "we" played well......they've never even been to Liverpool let alone anfield.

Couldn't agree more.
I have two lads who have been brought up that way and are big City fans.

Its double trouble for me

1- We lost our hooligan element or those who loved terrace culture. We are a sanitised modern club now in many ways. Ninian Park was one of the last bastions of that era, we were slow to move on, and it took a few years for those lads to realise that. Its still there but a minor compared to our "heydays"

2- The soccer am generation or modern fan see it as entertainment. The football is not only the entertainment but the atmosphere, sense of belonging and not wanting to miss out. 28K wanting that goal against Pompey (Conway i remember) was such a feeling. Getting promoted was better than being there.£400 for a season is a lot of money when you watch premier league football for free on your tablet and that makes you a football fan, so socially accepted.

South Wales does not have a history of supporting losing teams in any sport. Everyone loves a winner, so we need to be setting up for a challenge next season when season ticket go on sale or we will be stopping where we are now.

The lads were loyal no matter what in the 70's,80's and 90's to Cardiff City and they had massive passion for the team.
Pompey/Bradford City Support their club no matter how bad they've done in the lower divisions.

I personally blame two people for the passion/loyalty gone Vincent Tan and Wayne Nash and I stand by that

The million pound question is can the damage be repaired? Who and how??

When the rebrand occurred i walked away, I doubt if I'd return and if I did I wouldn't want it to be PL football I'm watching.

Once you break the habit it's easy to not return

Pay as you go the last 2 years. Go about 7 home games a season plus a few club freebies thrown in.

Club need to offer more flexible approach to season tickets. Midweek no good for me or family. Tickets in family stand should be tenner for adult and 5 u16 .

Why should I be loyal when the club is not. When we got relegated did they offer any money back off my season ticket.

The simple answer to this question is yes. To a small hardcore of us loyal fans we were upset because of the rebranding, but most will still support the club whatever and wherever we are. There has always been a large number who will only be attracted to us when things are going well. I guess that is the same with every club, and common sense tells you that success will increase audience numbers. I have said plenty of times on this forum that we are getting the sort of gates we have always had when we have been in a similar position in the past. For us, 12 to 15000 is normal in this league, with anything up to an extra 10000 turning up if we are serious promotion contenders. You can knock around 5,000 off our current support if we went down a division, and if we end up in the basement again you will see gates of anywhere between 3000 and 10000 depending on where we are.