" AN UTTER DISGRACE "

I think us fans should now wear poppies at home and away games. The fans must fight back. We can then sing - We wear what we want,we wear what we want, f**k off Fifa, we wear what we want.

Absolutely awful idea. The poppy isn't some bashing stick to show contempt towards FIFA.

Exactly, because then it loses whatever meaning it has that remains.

I'm sure one of the Fifa panel was a Welshman who has been on the maesteg park afc committee for years I'm sure I read that he was going to be on the panel over the england scotland game as regarding the wearing of poppies at that game can't remmber his full name but iknow his first was dai iknow his face so if he was on the committee judging whether england or Scotland should have worn poppies then he would have had to go against his own country regarding wearing poppies

I'm sure one of the Fifa panel was a Welshman who has been on the maesteg park afc committee for years I'm sure I read that he was going to be on the panel over the england scotland game as regarding the wearing of poppies at that game can't remmber his full name but iknow his first was dai iknow his face so if he was on the committee judging whether england or Scotland should have worn poppies then he would have had to go against his own country regarding wearing poppies

David Griffiths was the match delegate (no committee or anything like that, match delegates are a one-man band) at the England-Scotland game, yes. He's also the current president of the FAW.

Spot on with the name mate that's him dai grifffiths he's worked his way up through the ranks couldn't remmber his second name but Was with maesteg park for years he must be gutted we where fined as well but was prepared to report england and Scotland for wearing poppies

Hope the Welsh FA don't pay it Annis. It's the principle

The appeals will be interesting as all four home nations' associations are permanent members of the international board that polices the rules of the game - including the one used to justify this fine. FIFA issued a statement in November that included this:

“Fifa fully respects the significance of commemorating Remembrance Day on November 11 each year.

“The Laws of the Game are overseen by the International Football Association Board (composed of the four British FAs and Fifa) and (are) applicable to all 211 member associations. The relevant Law 4, para. 4, clearly states that the players equipment should not carry any political, religious or commercial messages.

“The Laws are applied uniformly in the event of similar requests by any member association to commemorate similar historic events.”

This is the same FIFA that agreed in 2011 that it was fine for the poppy emblem to be worn on armbands during international matches - but has taken a totally different view in 2016. Any appeal will hopefully force them to explain their view that the poppy is 'political' within the meaning of the laws, and why they have done a 180 degree turn from 5 years ago.

the I.F.A.B make the rules mate, its FIFA that implements and polices them.

Fair enough - the constitutional purpose of the I.F.A.B is that of 'guardian' of the rules of the game - but it is the body that can change the rules (6 out of 8 votes - from 4 for FIFA and 1 each from the home nations), agree trials of rule changes, and the associations can themselves propose changes. I understand that FIFA 'enforces' the rules - and seems to interpret the rules too as it has changed its position on this between 2011 and 2016 without rewording the relevant rule.

But the four home nations associations have a very powerful position in world football and have done for 130 years. If they think the way FIFA is interpreting Law 4 is wrong surely they have the opportunity to support a revision of the wording of the law through the I.F.A.B? I know they need some FIFA support (minimum 2 out of the 4 FIFA votes) - but they are in a more privileged and powerful position than any other associations. Or is that too simplistic? Genuine question.

They will be able to appeal this but as far as I am aware FIFA appeals go to a FIFA panel so it will be a carve up. There should be the option to go to a completely independent body i.e.law courts to fight this. FIFA were wrong when they brought the ban in and they are still wrong now. The poppy does not glorify war, it is a symbol to remember those who have fallen who were fighting for freedom.

For such ludicrous fines to come from such a corrupt organisation is laughable. FIFA needs a gigantic kick in the teeth over this. I hope that all the countries involved fight them all the way on this.

All four British FAs were part of it, not just FIFA

Can you not understand plain English. FIFA implemented the ban not the individual FA's ffs.

The appeals will be interesting as all four home nations' associations are permanent members of the international board that polices the rules of the game - including the one used to justify this fine. FIFA issued a statement in November that included this:

“Fifa fully respects the significance of commemorating Remembrance Day on November 11 each year.

“The Laws of the Game are overseen by the International Football Association Board (composed of the four British FAs and Fifa) and (are) applicable to all 211 member associations. The relevant Law 4, para. 4, clearly states that the players equipment should not carry any political, religious or commercial messages.

“The Laws are applied uniformly in the event of similar requests by any member association to commemorate similar historic events.”

This is the same FIFA that agreed in 2011 that it was fine for the poppy emblem to be worn on armbands during international matches - but has taken a totally different view in 2016. Any appeal will hopefully force them to explain their view that the poppy is 'political' within the meaning of the laws, and why they have done a 180 degree turn from 5 years ago.

the I.F.A.B make the rules mate, its FIFA that implements and polices them.

Fair enough - the constitutional purpose of the I.F.A.B is that of 'guardian' of the rules of the game - but it is the body that can change the rules (6 out of 8 votes - from 4 for FIFA and 1 each from the home nations), agree trials of rule changes, and the associations can themselves propose changes. I understand that FIFA 'enforces' the rules - and seems to interpret the rules too as it has changed its position on this between 2011 and 2016 without rewording the relevant rule.

But the four home nations associations have a very powerful position in world football and have done for 130 years. If they think the way FIFA is interpreting Law 4 is wrong surely they have the opportunity to support a revision of the wording of the law through the I.F.A.B? I know they need some FIFA support (minimum 2 out of the 4 FIFA votes) - but they are in a more privileged and powerful position than any other associations. Or is that too simplistic? Genuine question.

yes of course the four home FAs have a big say, the trouble is at least 2 of these FAs {i suspect all four} actually voted for, if not suggested the rule as it stands without it crossing their minds that poppies would contravene the rule.
the wording of the rule seems sound to me. its F.I.F.As interpretation of it { which is also inconsistent} where the problem lies.
the questions are. how do the 4 home FAs get 2 of the F.I.F.A. delegates on side without it looking like .do as i say not as i do. and 2nd.my concern since this started,is it possible that there might be a F.I.F.A agenda here to weaken the very strong position of the 4 home FAs. the UK having 4 competing nations and so much power on the I.F.A.B. has been a bone of contention for years.

They will be able to appeal this but as far as I am aware FIFA appeals go to a FIFA panel so it will be a carve up. There should be the option to go to a completely independent body i.e.law courts to fight this. FIFA were wrong when they brought the ban in and they are still wrong now. The poppy does not glorify war, it is a symbol to remember those who have fallen who were fighting for freedom.

For such ludicrous fines to come from such a corrupt organisation is laughable. FIFA needs a gigantic kick in the teeth over this. I hope that all the countries involved fight them all the way on this.

All four British FAs were part of it, not just FIFA

Can you not understand plain English. FIFA implemented the ban not the individual FA's ffs.

He lives in Cwmann of course he doesn't speak English. Years of inbreeding have meant he speaks a toxic mix of old Welsh and hillbilly.

Hope the Welsh FA don't pay it Annis. It's the principle

They've no choice really, they were naive in choreographing that poppy mosaic

They will be able to appeal this but as far as I am aware FIFA appeals go to a FIFA panel so it will be a carve up. There should be the option to go to a completely independent body i.e.law courts to fight this. FIFA were wrong when they brought the ban in and they are still wrong now. The poppy does not glorify war, it is a symbol to remember those who have fallen who were fighting for freedom.

For such ludicrous fines to come from such a corrupt organisation is laughable. FIFA needs a gigantic kick in the teeth over this. I hope that all the countries involved fight them all the way on this.

All four British FAs were part of it, not just FIFA

Can you not understand plain English. FIFA implemented the ban not the individual FA's ffs.

IFAB make the rules which FIFA enforce, so the home nations were part of it. IFAB tightened the rules in 2011 to try to counter political symbols/messages etc. on players' equipment.

They will be able to appeal this but as far as I am aware FIFA appeals go to a FIFA panel so it will be a carve up. There should be the option to go to a completely independent body i.e.law courts to fight this. FIFA were wrong when they brought the ban in and they are still wrong now. The poppy does not glorify war, it is a symbol to remember those who have fallen who were fighting for freedom.

For such ludicrous fines to come from such a corrupt organisation is laughable. FIFA needs a gigantic kick in the teeth over this. I hope that all the countries involved fight them all the way on this.

All four British FAs were part of it, not just FIFA

Can you not understand plain English. FIFA implemented the ban not the individual FA's ffs.

He lives in Cwmann of course he doesn't speak English. Years of inbreeding have meant he speaks a toxic mix of old Welsh and hillbilly.

Dementia taking hold of this one. Sad to see.

Croatia only got fined £13,000 for continual racial abuse.

Croatia only got fined £13,000 for continual racial abuse.

if they cared at all about racial abuse the world cup would not be going to Russia. having kick it out banners is one thing but if money is involved everyone turns blind and deaf.

as for the fines, none of these fines are any sort of deterrent and would imagine that the FAW if knowing they would be fined anyway would have had the armbands and paid double

Croatia only got fined £13,000 for continual racial abuse.

It's disgusting that fines for racism are anywhere near those for wearing poppies.

FAW should match the fine paid to FIFA as a donation to the RBL.

Also this sets a precedent so that every time an international is played around 11th November this problem is going to come up.

Looks like there will have to be fines every time one of the British teams plays a game during early November from now on.

What a bunch of wankers those running the game really are.

Never used to be a problem. Teams never wore poppies on their shirts it's a recent thing brought on by the current political climate and media pressure. The poppy has, unfortunately become a political symbol we can't deny that and wearing political symbols are against the rules.

Croatia only got fined £13,000 for continual racial abuse.

if they cared at all about racial abuse the world cup would not be going to Russia. having kick it out banners is one thing but if money is involved everyone turns blind and deaf.

as for the fines, none of these fines are any sort of deterrent and would imagine that the FAW if knowing they would be fined anyway would have had the armbands and paid double

The various corruption stories associated with FIFA are a red herring in this instance.

They will be able to appeal this but as far as I am aware FIFA appeals go to a FIFA panel so it will be a carve up. There should be the option to go to a completely independent body i.e.law courts to fight this. FIFA were wrong when they brought the ban in and they are still wrong now. The poppy does not glorify war, it is a symbol to remember those who have fallen who were fighting for freedom.

For such ludicrous fines to come from such a corrupt organisation is laughable. FIFA needs a gigantic kick in the teeth over this. I hope that all the countries involved fight them all the way on this.

Yeah, let's follow England's lead again. Because that's worked really well so far, hasn't it?

Jesus wept

England's lead? Try and park your absurd hatred of all things English and look at things objectively. Thousands of Welshmen have died protecting this country the Welsh FA were remembering them not doing as Martin Glen told them.

Croatia only got fined £13,000 for continual racial abuse.

Sums FIFA up absolute weapons grade clowns.

One of the charges laid against Wales was Fans wearing poppies in the stands. So anyone wearing a cross could be punished, or at least the team they support would, for displaying a religious symbol?

One of the charges laid against Wales was Fans wearing poppies in the stands. So anyone wearing a cross could be punished, or at least the team they support would, for displaying a religious symbol?

Agree with everything you have said about this Jock. If people see the poppy as a political statement, then that is because they have decided to make it political. I don't give two hoots as far as politics are concerned, I wear a poppy as a mark of respect to those who have given their lives, nothing more nothing less. For me, when I put a poppy on the last thing on my mind is politics. Generally fed up with faceless people dictating to us what we can and can't do. FIFA want to put their own house in order before they start telling us what we are allowed to wear to a football match.

They will be able to appeal this but as far as I am aware FIFA appeals go to a FIFA panel so it will be a carve up. There should be the option to go to a completely independent body i.e.law courts to fight this. FIFA were wrong when they brought the ban in and they are still wrong now. The poppy does not glorify war, it is a symbol to remember those who have fallen who were fighting for freedom.

For such ludicrous fines to come from such a corrupt organisation is laughable. FIFA needs a gigantic kick in the teeth over this. I hope that all the countries involved fight them all the way on this.

All four British FAs were part of it, not just FIFA

Can you not understand plain English. FIFA implemented the ban not the individual FA's ffs.

He lives in Cwmann of course he doesn't speak English. Years of inbreeding have meant he speaks a toxic mix of old Welsh and hillbilly.

Dementia taking hold of this one. Sad to see.

To joke about such a terrible disease is an appalling indictment on you as a character but it is to be expected from a cave dwelling inbred with eyebrows sprouting on his cheeks.

They will be able to appeal this but as far as I am aware FIFA appeals go to a FIFA panel so it will be a carve up. There should be the option to go to a completely independent body i.e.law courts to fight this. FIFA were wrong when they brought the ban in and they are still wrong now. The poppy does not glorify war, it is a symbol to remember those who have fallen who were fighting for freedom.

For such ludicrous fines to come from such a corrupt organisation is laughable. FIFA needs a gigantic kick in the teeth over this. I hope that all the countries involved fight them all the way on this.

All four British FAs were part of it, not just FIFA

Can you not understand plain English. FIFA implemented the ban not the individual FA's ffs.

He lives in Cwmann of course he doesn't speak English. Years of inbreeding have meant he speaks a toxic mix of old Welsh and hillbilly.

Dementia taking hold of this one. Sad to see.

To joke about such a terrible disease is an appalling indictment on you as a character but it is to be expected from a cave dwelling inbred with eyebrows sprouting on his cheeks.

What's your problem with me, then? And what's your problem with my language? Geriatric c**t

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