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Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:21 pm

BracklaBlue72 wrote:
Blueboys1927 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales


We are a principality, our head of state is HRH the prince of Wales :thumbup:



No it isn't :thumbup:


Wales is a country/nationnbut not recognised as a sovereign state.
Wales is not principality as the 'prince of Wales' has no administrative power and this has been the case since 1542.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:43 pm

Well SCOTLAND fans just booed it

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:53 pm

griff105 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:
Blueboys1927 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales


We are a principality, our head of state is HRH the prince of Wales :thumbup:



No it isn't :thumbup:


Wales is a country/nationnbut not recognised as a sovereign state.
Wales is not principality as the 'prince of Wales' has no administrative power and this has been the case since 1542.


Wales is a principality and the head of state is the queen. The Prince of Wales only has ceremonial duties.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:35 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Cardiffcitymad wrote:
brickyblue wrote:Welsh and proud and British and proud.
On a sporting front I hate the English they are an enemy no matter what sport we play em in.
As for God save the queen don't like it don't register it as my national anthem it is the British national anthem and not the English anthem if I'm correct so why they use it not sure.
We as the UK are facing difficult times a dwindling country on the international scale if the UK brakes up its curtains for the home nations in my mind .
Stronger together.
We have lost a family member in the British army from the royal Welsh so as for respecting the armed forces past and present they have my full respect in 2 world wars especially.
Although I have to say the British have been a cruel brutal force in the empire days that must be said but without GB the world would be a worse place.

I don't really get the whole "Welsh and proud British" thing. Wales has NO recognition on the Union Jack and I don't feel united in any way.


Same here I'm about as British as I'm European and I voted for BREXIT. :D My Nationality is Welsh nothing else.


Quite surprising for someone that doesn't consider themselves British to vote Brexit.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:36 pm

City Slicker wrote:
griff105 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:
Blueboys1927 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales


We are a principality, our head of state is HRH the prince of Wales :thumbup:



No it isn't :thumbup:


Wales is a country/nationnbut not recognised as a sovereign state.
Wales is not principality as the 'prince of Wales' has no administrative power and this has been the case since 1542.


Wales is a principality and the head of state is the queen. The Prince of Wales only has ceremonial duties.


We're a country. Haven't been a principality for quite some time.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:51 pm

Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
griff105 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:
Blueboys1927 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales


We are a principality, our head of state is HRH the prince of Wales :thumbup:



No it isn't :thumbup:


Wales is a country/nationnbut not recognised as a sovereign state.
Wales is not principality as the 'prince of Wales' has no administrative power and this has been the case since 1542.


Wales is a principality and the head of state is the queen. The Prince of Wales only has ceremonial duties.


We're a country. Haven't been a principality for quite some time.


Since 1542.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:14 pm

Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
griff105 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:
Blueboys1927 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales


We are a principality, our head of state is HRH the prince of Wales :thumbup:



No it isn't :thumbup:


Wales is a country/nationnbut not recognised as a sovereign state.
Wales is not principality as the 'prince of Wales' has no administrative power and this has been the case since 1542.


Wales is a principality and the head of state is the queen. The Prince of Wales only has ceremonial duties.


We're a country. Haven't been a principality for quite some time.


No were still a principality and it's unlikely to change unless Wales has formal independence from the UK.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:17 pm

City Slicker wrote:
No were still a principality and it's unlikely to change unless Wales has formal independence from the UK.


Says who?

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:25 pm

Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
No were still a principality and it's unlikely to change unless Wales has formal independence from the UK.


Says who?


Well I can't name them all here, there's not enough room

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:28 pm

City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
No were still a principality and it's unlikely to change unless Wales has formal independence from the UK.


Says who?


Well I can't name them all here, there's not enough room


Well, all of those people are wrong :thumbup:

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:31 pm

Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
No were still a principality and it's unlikely to change unless Wales has formal independence from the UK.


Says who?


Well I can't name them all here, there's not enough room


Well, all of those people are wrong :thumbup:


You could well be right, that's more of a philosophical argument but has a lot of merit.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:42 pm

City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
No were still a principality and it's unlikely to change unless Wales has formal independence from the UK.


Says who?


Well I can't name them all here, there's not enough room


Well, all of those people are wrong :thumbup:


You could well be right, that's more of a philosophical argument but has a lot of merit.


True. Either way, Wales isn't a principality.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:53 pm

Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
No were still a principality and it's unlikely to change unless Wales has formal independence from the UK.


Says who?


Well I can't name them all here, there's not enough room


Well, all of those people are wrong :thumbup:


You could well be right, that's more of a philosophical argument but has a lot of merit.


True. Either way, Wales isn't a principality.


Says who?

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:01 pm

City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:True. Either way, Wales isn't a principality.


Says who?


Me, evidently.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:04 pm

Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:True. Either way, Wales isn't a principality.


Says who?


Me, evidently.


Quite so.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:19 pm

City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:True. Either way, Wales isn't a principality.


Says who?


Me, evidently.


Quite so.


International Standards Organisation
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ry-1813629

Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales


http://www.wales.com/about-wales/freque ... stion%2011

And me.

But if you want to be part of England or UK mate then you crack on. Because it can very easily be argued that Wales is a constituent country. Like Greenland for example.
What Wales is not however is a principality and this is true since 1542.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_in ... 5_and_1542

Either way I'm off. Good chat :thumbup:

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:19 pm

City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
griff105 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:
Blueboys1927 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales


We are a principality, our head of state is HRH the prince of Wales :thumbup:



No it isn't :thumbup:


Wales is a country/nationnbut not recognised as a sovereign state.
Wales is not principality as the 'prince of Wales' has no administrative power and this has been the case since 1542.


Wales is a principality and the head of state is the queen. The Prince of Wales only has ceremonial duties.


We're a country. Haven't been a principality for quite some time.


No were still a principality and it's unlikely to change unless Wales has formal independence from the UK.


Wrong

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:36 pm

griff105 wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:True. Either way, Wales isn't a principality.


Says who?


Me, evidently.


Quite so.


International Standards Organisation
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ry-1813629

Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales


http://www.wales.com/about-wales/freque ... stion%2011

And me.

But if you want to be part of England or UK mate then you crack on. Because it can very easily be argued that Wales is a constituent country. Like Greenland for example.
What Wales is not however is a principality and this is true since 1542.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_in ... 5_and_1542

Either way I'm off. Good chat :thumbup:


I certainly don't want to be part of England, but I'm part of the UK whether I like it or not. Greenland is a part of Denmark.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:37 pm

City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
griff105 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:
Blueboys1927 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales


We are a principality, our head of state is HRH the prince of Wales :thumbup:



No it isn't :thumbup:


Wales is a country/nationnbut not recognised as a sovereign state.
Wales is not principality as the 'prince of Wales' has no administrative power and this has been the case since 1542.


Wales is a principality and the head of state is the queen. The Prince of Wales only has ceremonial duties.


We're a country. Haven't been a principality for quite some time.


No were still a principality and it's unlikely to change unless Wales has formal independence from the UK.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ry-1813629

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:22 am

City Slicker wrote:
griff105 wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Owain wrote:True. Either way, Wales isn't a principality.


Says who?


Me, evidently.


Quite so.


International Standards Organisation
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ry-1813629

Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales


http://www.wales.com/about-wales/freque ... stion%2011

And me.

But if you want to be part of England or UK mate then you crack on. Because it can very easily be argued that Wales is a constituent country. Like Greenland for example.
What Wales is not however is a principality and this is true since 1542.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_in ... 5_and_1542

Either way I'm off. Good chat :thumbup:


I certainly don't want to be part of England, but I'm part of the UK whether I like it or not. Greenland is a part of Denmark.


Greenland is a constitutional country. Oh Christ here we go again! :thumbup: :D

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:27 am

Owain wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Cardiffcitymad wrote:
brickyblue wrote:Welsh and proud and British and proud.
On a sporting front I hate the English they are an enemy no matter what sport we play em in.
As for God save the queen don't like it don't register it as my national anthem it is the British national anthem and not the English anthem if I'm correct so why they use it not sure.
We as the UK are facing difficult times a dwindling country on the international scale if the UK brakes up its curtains for the home nations in my mind .
Stronger together.
We have lost a family member in the British army from the royal Welsh so as for respecting the armed forces past and present they have my full respect in 2 world wars especially.
Although I have to say the British have been a cruel brutal force in the empire days that must be said but without GB the world would be a worse place.

I don't really get the whole "Welsh and proud British" thing. Wales has NO recognition on the Union Jack and I don't feel united in any way.


Same here I'm about as British as I'm European and I voted for BREXIT. :D My Nationality is Welsh nothing else.


Quite surprising for someone that doesn't consider themselves British to vote Brexit.


I take it your another bitter remoaner who can't accept they lost the referendum? :roll: You now feel the urge to take cheap pot shots against those who did vote to leave?

FYI information my main reason for my wanting to leave the EU was I considered it undemocratic and dictatorial. The unelected European Commission held the real power as the 'elected' EU Parliament was simply a talking shop with no legislative powers. Also we saw a number of referendum around Europe, most notably in Ireland where any rejection of EU policy was followed by further referendums until the EU got what it wanted. That is not democracy in action that is a dictatorship.

The most disturbing thing since the referendum has been the calls for a second referendum and the pathetic name calling and undermining of those who did vote out. Your reply is a classic example of an arrogant group who simply can’t take losing.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:29 pm

The British state had nothing to do with mining in Wales.
99% of pits were sunk privately, by people who took the financial risk, and state ownership actually prolonged mines that would have closed in private hands.

So stop telling lies.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:58 pm

Proud to be British :thumbup:

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:08 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Owain wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Cardiffcitymad wrote:
brickyblue wrote:Welsh and proud and British and proud.
On a sporting front I hate the English they are an enemy no matter what sport we play em in.
As for God save the queen don't like it don't register it as my national anthem it is the British national anthem and not the English anthem if I'm correct so why they use it not sure.
We as the UK are facing difficult times a dwindling country on the international scale if the UK brakes up its curtains for the home nations in my mind .
Stronger together.
We have lost a family member in the British army from the royal Welsh so as for respecting the armed forces past and present they have my full respect in 2 world wars especially.
Although I have to say the British have been a cruel brutal force in the empire days that must be said but without GB the world would be a worse place.

I don't really get the whole "Welsh and proud British" thing. Wales has NO recognition on the Union Jack and I don't feel united in any way.


Same here I'm about as British as I'm European and I voted for BREXIT. :D My Nationality is Welsh nothing else.


Quite surprising for someone that doesn't consider themselves British to vote Brexit.


I take it your another bitter remoaner who can't accept they lost the referendum? :roll: You now feel the urge to take cheap pot shots against those who did vote to leave?

FYI information my main reason for my wanting to leave the EU was I considered it undemocratic and dictatorial. The unelected European Commission held the real power as the 'elected' EU Parliament was simply a talking shop with no legislative powers. Also we saw a number of referendum around Europe, most notably in Ireland where any rejection of EU policy was followed by further referendums until the EU got what it wanted. That is not democracy in action that is a dictatorship.

The most disturbing thing since the referendum has been the calls for a second referendum and the pathetic name calling and undermining of those who did vote out. Your reply is a classic example of an arrogant group who simply can’t take losing.


Wow. Slight overreaction.

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:16 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Well SCOTLAND fans just booed it



Thirty seconds after they booed ours!

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:16 pm

Blueboys1927 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales


We are a principality, our head of state is HRH the prince of Wales :thumbup:

What a load of bullshit, you should hold your head in shame you f*cking idiot

Re: if you boo the union jack or British national anthem

Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:17 pm

City Slicker wrote:
griff105 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:
Blueboys1927 wrote:
BracklaBlue72 wrote:GB is a construct based on English conquest and the Union Jack reflects that point by not even recognising Wales as an equal member of the 'union'..
GSTQ is widely seen as representative of England but more importantly an aristocracy that has no mandate to be the head of state of Wales


We are a principality, our head of state is HRH the prince of Wales :thumbup:



No it isn't :thumbup:


Wales is a country/nationnbut not recognised as a sovereign state.
Wales is not principality as the 'prince of Wales' has no administrative power and this has been the case since 1542.


Wales is a principality and the head of state is the queen. The Prince of Wales only has ceremonial duties.

Wales is not a principality. Keep up at the back!