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Its f*cking remembering the drad service men and women who died fighting for our way off life ffs
Why should footballers have a poppy on there shirts on remembrance day? Its showing respect
Its only fifa making a sing and dance about it
f*cking few years back it was not a issue but its this political correctness going over bored yet again
Lets please all the muslims left wing and ever other f*cking ideot group but f**k our own traditions

I've missed you.

This issue is not about whether teams had worn the poppy or not in the past, it is about the choice of wearing a poppy now to remember the people who sacrificed their lives in service of our country.The poppy is not a political symbol, it is one of remembrance.
Both World Wars were to protect our way of life, especially WW2 which gave us the freedom to have these debates and I believe it is right for the Football Associations of the UK to commemorate the Armistice.

Wear your poppy with pride and dignity

...
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders' Fields.

Red poppies only commemorate the deaths of British military, not the countless innocents or those who have died fighting for freedom against British imperialism.
In that sense they are overtly political.
If I were a pacifist, I'd wear a white poppy, to remember all who have died in wars.
I'm not though, as there are situations where occupied or oppressed people are left with no choice but to take up arms, such as Mandela's ANC in S.Africa.
I'm with James McClean all the way, a player booed in every ground by ignorant fans.
In his hometown of Derry, on Bloody Sunday, the so-called heroes of the British army killed 14 innocent people at a Civil Rights demo. How can anyone laud a military machine which has committed such an atrocity.....and nobody prosecuted, of course.

James McLean is happy to be very well paid in British Pounds, strange his "integrity" doesn't prevent that. You mention Bloody Sunday but as a high ranking British Officer once said you fail to mention Bloody every other day of the week, Eniskillen, Warrington, Birmingham, London, Omagh etc etc etc etc. The Poppy is worn to remember all who have fallen in war, if you don't want to wear one don't, thats the free society our (well my)forefathers fought for. James Mcleans were no doubt refuelling Nazi Submarines along with the rest of the British Haters.

The IRA was a comparatively puny organisation before Bloody Sunday. The British Army gave it its biggest victory ever. So they started it.

Go and educate yourself on Irish History.

This issue is not about whether teams had worn the poppy or not in the past, it is about the choice of wearing a poppy now to remember the people who sacrificed their lives in service of our country.The poppy is not a political symbol, it is one of remembrance.
Both World Wars were to protect our way of life, especially WW2 which gave us the freedom to have these debates and I believe it is right for the Football Associations of the UK to commemorate the Armistice.

As has been said it's not a political statement it's simply remembering those who've died in conflicts around the World. Fifa are a corrupt organisation who have no right to subvert this British and Commonwealth Tradition.

getting very sick of the way everything military is being associated with football. Personally, whilst I accept that these are brave men who fight and are prepared to die for their country, I see no reason for them to be paraded in front of football crowds like some sort of strange celebrity cult. Its a choice to fight in wars and not everyone wants it rammed down their throats. Buy a poppy and wear it with pride by all means if that is what you wish to do, but keep it away from sport please.

Well this is a world of opinions and mine is completely opposite to yours. Nothing is more brave than risking your life to defend your country. I appreciate the opportunity to be able to show my thanks to these brave young men who do a terrific job.

Of course some don't come back or suffer life changing injuries both physically and mentally. That is why to many the wearing of the poppy is so important. Under such circumstances surely it is not beyond others to show 'tolerance' to the wearing of the poppy in the same way we (the British indigenous population) are always lectured about showing tolerance to other traditions and cultures from foreign countries?

Spot on

getting very sick of the way everything military is being associated with football. Personally, whilst I accept that these are brave men who fight and are prepared to die for their country, I see no reason for them to be paraded in front of football crowds like some sort of strange celebrity cult. Its a choice to fight in wars and not everyone wants it rammed down their throats. Buy a poppy and wear it with pride by all means if that is what you wish to do, but keep it away from sport please.

Well this is a world of opinions and mine is completely opposite to yours. Nothing is more brave than risking your life to defend your country. I appreciate the opportunity to be able to show my thanks to these brave young men who do a terrific job.

Of course some don't come back or suffer life changing injuries both physically and mentally. That is why to many the wearing of the poppy is so important. Under such circumstances surely it is not beyond others to show 'tolerance' to the wearing of the poppy in the same way we (the British indigenous population) are always lectured about showing tolerance to other traditions and cultures from foreign countries?

I don't disagree with what you say, but why is football all of a sudden the place to show your allegiance to the military. I don't say anywhere that these are not brave men etc. but what I don't want is my sport to be politicised in the way it has been the past decade. It was never like this before Iraq, Afghanistan and so on - the wearing of the poppy symbolised the remembrance of those who passed in the 2 world wars and was a solemn occasion. In recent times, at the CCS we've had the military leading the teams out and strutting round the edge of the pitch; where is the remembrance to the fallen in that? Like I said I am not against wearing a poppy or remembering the dead - I just don't see why it has to be done at a football match.

Exactly. I hope the FAW don't give in to the BritNats, because once we start militarising Wales games, then we turn into rugby and start parading goats on the pitch.

Take it you won't be wearing a poppy then!

Red poppies only commemorate the deaths of British military, not the countless innocents or those who have died fighting for freedom against British imperialism.
In that sense they are overtly political.
If I were a pacifist, I'd wear a white poppy, to remember all who have died in wars.
I'm not though, as there are situations where occupied or oppressed people are left with no choice but to take up arms, such as Mandela's ANC in S.Africa.
I'm with James McClean all the way, a player booed in every ground by ignorant fans.
In his hometown of Derry, on Bloody Sunday, the so-called heroes of the British army killed 14 innocent people at a Civil Rights demo. How can anyone laud a military machine which has committed such an atrocity.....and nobody prosecuted, of course.

James McLean is happy to be very well paid in British Pounds, strange his "integrity" doesn't prevent that. You mention Bloody Sunday but as a high ranking British Officer once said you fail to mention Bloody every other day of the week, Eniskillen, Warrington, Birmingham, London, Omagh etc etc etc etc. The Poppy is worn to remember all who have fallen in war, if you don't want to wear one don't, thats the free society our (well my)forefathers fought for. James Mcleans were no doubt refuelling Nazi Submarines along with the rest of the British Haters.

The IRA was a comparatively puny organisation before Bloody Sunday. The British Army gave it its biggest victory ever. So they started it.

Go and educate yourself on Irish History.

Excellent point Jock

Time for FIFA to wake UP

This issue is not about whether teams had worn the poppy or not in the past, it is about the choice of wearing a poppy now to remember the people who sacrificed their lives in service of our country.The poppy is not a political symbol, it is one of remembrance.
Both World Wars were to protect our way of life, especially WW2 which gave us the freedom to have these debates and I believe it is right for the Football Associations of the UK to commemorate the Armistice.

I thought the First World War was about a bunch of empires squabbling with each other, but there we are.

getting very sick of the way everything military is being associated with football. Personally, whilst I accept that these are brave men who fight and are prepared to die for their country, I see no reason for them to be paraded in front of football crowds like some sort of strange celebrity cult. Its a choice to fight in wars and not everyone wants it rammed down their throats. Buy a poppy and wear it with pride by all means if that is what you wish to do, but keep it away from sport please.

Well this is a world of opinions and mine is completely opposite to yours. Nothing is more brave than risking your life to defend your country. I appreciate the opportunity to be able to show my thanks to these brave young men who do a terrific job.

Of course some don't come back or suffer life changing injuries both physically and mentally. That is why to many the wearing of the poppy is so important. Under such circumstances surely it is not beyond others to show 'tolerance' to the wearing of the poppy in the same way we (the British indigenous population) are always lectured about showing tolerance to other traditions and cultures from foreign countries?

I don't disagree with what you say, but why is football all of a sudden the place to show your allegiance to the military. I don't say anywhere that these are not brave men etc. but what I don't want is my sport to be politicised in the way it has been the past decade. It was never like this before Iraq, Afghanistan and so on - the wearing of the poppy symbolised the remembrance of those who passed in the 2 world wars and was a solemn occasion. In recent times, at the CCS we've had the military leading the teams out and strutting round the edge of the pitch; where is the remembrance to the fallen in that? Like I said I am not against wearing a poppy or remembering the dead - I just don't see why it has to be done at a football match.

Exactly. I hope the FAW don't give in to the BritNats, because once we start militarising Wales games, then we turn into rugby and start parading goats on the pitch.

Take it you won't be wearing a poppy then!

No, because I have a right not to.

Its f*cking remembering the drad service men and women who died fighting for our way off life ffs
Why should footballers have a poppy on there shirts on remembrance day? Its showing respect
Its only fifa making a sing and dance about it
f*cking few years back it was not a issue but its this political correctness going over bored yet again
Lets please all the muslims left wing and ever other f*cking ideot group but f**k our own traditions

Can we have that in English, please?

I thought the First World War was about a bunch of empires squabbling with each other, but there we are.[/quote]

It was but I don't wear a poppy as a mark of respect for Lloyd George or Lord Kitchener. It's to remember the millions of ordinary men who died in the mud of a Flanders field.

Red poppies only commemorate the deaths of British military, not the countless innocents or those who have died fighting for freedom against British imperialism.
In that sense they are overtly political.
If I were a pacifist, I'd wear a white poppy, to remember all who have died in wars.
I'm not though, as there are situations where occupied or oppressed people are left with no choice but to take up arms, such as Mandela's ANC in S.Africa.
I'm with James McClean all the way, a player booed in every ground by ignorant fans.
In his hometown of Derry, on Bloody Sunday, the so-called heroes of the British army killed 14 innocent people at a Civil Rights demo. How can anyone laud a military machine which has committed such an atrocity.....and nobody prosecuted, of course.

James McLean is happy to be very well paid in British Pounds, strange his "integrity" doesn't prevent that. You mention Bloody Sunday but as a high ranking British Officer once said you fail to mention Bloody every other day of the week, Eniskillen, Warrington, Birmingham, London, Omagh etc etc etc etc. The Poppy is worn to remember all who have fallen in war, if you don't want to wear one don't, thats the free society our (well my)forefathers fought for. James Mcleans were no doubt refuelling Nazi Submarines along with the rest of the British Haters.

The IRA was a comparatively puny organisation before Bloody Sunday. The British Army gave it its biggest victory ever. So they started it.

Go and educate yourself on Irish History.

Excellent point Jock

Actually following the Irish Civil War the IRA had become a very small organization as the post says. Troops were first sent to the north of Ireland in the 60s to protect the catholic communities and were welcomed on the whole. It was Blood Sunday and other atrocities by the troops that changed all that. The IRA split in two-Provisional and Official and the rest is history as they say.

Warnock on poppy ban...

Neil Warnock: "It doesn’t surprise me because FIFA don’t know what they’re doing, nothing ceases to amaze me. They don’t know what it means to our country. I think we should just wear the armbands, they can’t ban that."

Red poppies only commemorate the deaths of British military, not the countless innocents or those who have died fighting for freedom against British imperialism.
In that sense they are overtly political.
If I were a pacifist, I'd wear a white poppy, to remember all who have died in wars.
I'm not though, as there are situations where occupied or oppressed people are left with no choice but to take up arms, such as Mandela's ANC in S.Africa.
I'm with James McClean all the way, a player booed in every ground by ignorant fans.
In his hometown of Derry, on Bloody Sunday, the so-called heroes of the British army killed 14 innocent people at a Civil Rights demo. How can anyone laud a military machine which has committed such an atrocity.....and nobody prosecuted, of course.

James McLean is happy to be very well paid in British Pounds, strange his "integrity" doesn't prevent that. You mention Bloody Sunday but as a high ranking British Officer once said you fail to mention Bloody every other day of the week, Eniskillen, Warrington, Birmingham, London, Omagh etc etc etc etc. The Poppy is worn to remember all who have fallen in war, if you don't want to wear one don't, thats the free society our (well my)forefathers fought for. James Mcleans were no doubt refuelling Nazi Submarines along with the rest of the British Haters.

The IRA was a comparatively puny organisation before Bloody Sunday. The British Army gave it its biggest victory ever. So they started it.

Go and educate yourself on Irish History.

Excellent point Jock

Actually following the Irish Civil War the IRA had become a very small organization as the post says. Troops were first sent to the north of Ireland in the 60s to protect the catholic communities and were welcomed on the whole. It was Blood Sunday and other atrocities by the troops that changed all that. The IRA split in two-Provisional and Official and the rest is history as they say.

Troubles in Ireland did not start in the 1960s ,though things like internment, Bloody Sunday and the hunger strikes, all badly handled by the British Government, did swell recruitment to the Provos. However this thread has gone off at a tangent, it's about the right to remember our War dead.

Why did FIFA allow the ROI team to wear a badge remembering the Easter rising but forbid British teams remembering our War dead. Answer: because FIFA hates all things British and wants the 4 Home countries to play as one team. I think even the most myopic out there would concede the Easter Rising was political.

Why did FIFA allow the ROI team to wear a badge remembering the Easter rising but forbid British teams remembering our War dead. Answer: because FIFA hates all things British and wants the 4 Home countries to play as one team. I think even the most myopic out there would concede the Easter Rising was political.

I think you're wrong, it's all things English most of the world hate because of the atrocities committed their colonial attitude and the arrogance shown. Think the Euros taught us that, once they knew we weren't English they loved us.
The Easter Rising is political to an unionist but if you're Irish you're just celebrating your freedom!

Just read that it could be only the welsh team who could be penalised, because with both England & Scotland wearing poppy's but playing each other there will be no complaints from either team, but with Wales playing Serbia, they could complain and Wales could lose points, whether they win or lose the game,

As the ban relates to the kit, just get a poppy painted on the cheeks of the players, no law is broken then.

Red poppies only commemorate the deaths of British military, not the countless innocents or those who have died fighting for freedom against British imperialism.
In that sense they are overtly political.
If I were a pacifist, I'd wear a white poppy, to remember all who have died in wars.
I'm not though, as there are situations where occupied or oppressed people are left with no choice but to take up arms, such as Mandela's ANC in S.Africa.
I'm with James McClean all the way, a player booed in every ground by ignorant fans.
In his hometown of Derry, on Bloody Sunday, the so-called heroes of the British army killed 14 innocent people at a Civil Rights demo. How can anyone laud a military machine which has committed such an atrocity.....and nobody prosecuted, of course.

James McLean is happy to be very well paid in British Pounds, strange his "integrity" doesn't prevent that. You mention Bloody Sunday but as a high ranking British Officer once said you fail to mention Bloody every other day of the week, Eniskillen, Warrington, Birmingham, London, Omagh etc etc etc etc. The Poppy is worn to remember all who have fallen in war, if you don't want to wear one don't, thats the free society our (well my)forefathers fought for. James Mcleans were no doubt refuelling Nazi Submarines along with the rest of the British Haters.

The IRA was a comparatively puny organisation before Bloody Sunday. The British Army gave it its biggest victory ever. So they started it.

Go and educate yourself on Irish History.

Excellent point Jock

Actually following the Irish Civil War the IRA had become a very small organization as the post says. Troops were first sent to the north of Ireland in the 60s to protect the catholic communities and were welcomed on the whole. It was Blood Sunday and other atrocities by the troops that changed all that. The IRA split in two-Provisional and Official and the rest is history as they say.

Troubles in Ireland did not start in the 1960s ,though things like internment, Bloody Sunday and the hunger strikes, all badly handled by the British Government, did swell recruitment to the Provos. However this thread has gone off at a tangent, it's about the right to remember our War dead.

If you read my post I say 'after the Irish civil War' that ended i 1922. The IRA were instrumental in the fight for Irish freedom but the fought and lost against the Free Staters in the civil war. following the civil war the IRA became marginalized until the 60s.

Why did FIFA allow the ROI team to wear a badge remembering the Easter rising but forbid British teams remembering our War dead. Answer: because FIFA hates all things British and wants the 4 Home countries to play as one team. I think even the most myopic out there would concede the Easter Rising was political.

ROI to be charged with wearing a political symbol on their shirts according to SSN

Red poppies only commemorate the deaths of British military, not the countless innocents or those who have died fighting for freedom against British imperialism.
In that sense they are overtly political.
If I were a pacifist, I'd wear a white poppy, to remember all who have died in wars.
I'm not though, as there are situations where occupied or oppressed people are left with no choice but to take up arms, such as Mandela's ANC in S.Africa.
I'm with James McClean all the way, a player booed in every ground by ignorant fans.
In his hometown of Derry, on Bloody Sunday, the so-called heroes of the British army killed 14 innocent people at a Civil Rights demo. How can anyone laud a military machine which has committed such an atrocity.....and nobody prosecuted, of course.

James McLean is happy to be very well paid in British Pounds, strange his "integrity" doesn't prevent that. You mention Bloody Sunday but as a high ranking British Officer once said you fail to mention Bloody every other day of the week, Eniskillen, Warrington, Birmingham, London, Omagh etc etc etc etc. The Poppy is worn to remember all who have fallen in war, if you don't want to wear one don't, thats the free society our (well my)forefathers fought for. James Mcleans were no doubt refuelling Nazi Submarines along with the rest of the British Haters.

The IRA was a comparatively puny organisation before Bloody Sunday. The British Army gave it its biggest victory ever. So they started it.

Go and educate yourself on Irish History.

Excellent point Jock

Actually following the Irish Civil War the IRA had become a very small organization as the post says. Troops were first sent to the north of Ireland in the 60s to protect the catholic communities and were welcomed on the whole. It was Blood Sunday and other atrocities by the troops that changed all that. The IRA split in two-Provisional and Official and the rest is history as they say.

Troubles in Ireland did not start in the 1960s ,though things like internment, Bloody Sunday and the hunger strikes, all badly handled by the British Government, did swell recruitment to the Provos. However this thread has gone off at a tangent, it's about the right to remember our War dead.

From 1968/9 it was common to refer to 'the present troubles' because as you stated British Troops were deployed in Ulster to protect the Catholic community.

However, you are correct in stating the problems which led to the 'present troubles' were deep routed and went back centuries.

Why did FIFA allow the ROI team to wear a badge remembering the Easter rising but forbid British teams remembering our War dead. Answer: because FIFA hates all things British and wants the 4 Home countries to play as one team. I think even the most myopic out there would concede the Easter Rising was political.

I think you're wrong, it's all things English most of the world hate because of the atrocities committed their colonial attitude and the arrogance shown. Think the Euros taught us that, once they knew we weren't English they loved us.
The Easter Rising is political to an unionist but if you're Irish you're just celebrating your freedom!

Couple of facts: most of the Sailors at Trafalgar were Scots and Irish, at the Battle of Culloden Welsh Bowmen fought for The Duke of Cumberland against the Jacobites. It was called the British Empire not the English Empire, my own Grandfather, an Ulsterman, fought in a Welsh Regiment in the Boer War.

I think it would be a great idea for FIFA to FORCE every team to wear a WHITE POPPY! No if nor buts you just gotta wear it. f**k all the political shit, let's keep politics out of sport but let's solemnly remember all the innocents far and wide who have been mutilated and murdered through warmongering and those that have sacrificed their lives so that the elite may prosper.

Why did FIFA allow the ROI team to wear a badge remembering the Easter rising but forbid British teams remembering our War dead. Answer: because FIFA hates all things British and wants the 4 Home countries to play as one team. I think even the most myopic out there would concede the Easter Rising was political.

I think you're wrong, it's all things English most of the world hate because of the atrocities committed their colonial attitude and the arrogance shown. Think the Euros taught us that, once they knew we weren't English they loved us.
The Easter Rising is political to an unionist but if you're Irish you're just celebrating your freedom!

I think it is incorrect to simply lump it as an 'English' problem. The poor in cities such as Bristol, London, Manchester and Birmingham didn't want an 'Empire' and certainly didn't prosper from having one. It is more of a class thing rather than a national problem.

The upper/ruling/gentry class who owned sugar plantations, opium farms or rubber plantations in the colonies are the real villain's who were not just arrogant towards those they exploited abroad but also to those who they exploited in Britain and the biggest exploitation was of young men sent to far off lands to fight wars for the rich.

To that end I wear my Poppy with pride not because I'm proud of the Empire I wear it to commemorate those who were forced to give their lives against their will and the fallen in my class (the working class) are not forgotten.

Red poppies only commemorate the deaths of British military, not the countless innocents or those who have died fighting for freedom against British imperialism.
In that sense they are overtly political.
If I were a pacifist, I'd wear a white poppy, to remember all who have died in wars.
I'm not though, as there are situations where occupied or oppressed people are left with no choice but to take up arms, such as Mandela's ANC in S.Africa.
I'm with James McClean all the way, a player booed in every ground by ignorant fans.
In his hometown of Derry, on Bloody Sunday, the so-called heroes of the British army killed 14 innocent people at a Civil Rights demo. How can anyone laud a military machine which has committed such an atrocity.....and nobody prosecuted, of course.

James McLean is happy to be very well paid in British Pounds, strange his "integrity" doesn't prevent that. You mention Bloody Sunday but as a high ranking British Officer once said you fail to mention Bloody every other day of the week, Eniskillen, Warrington, Birmingham, London, Omagh etc etc etc etc. The Poppy is worn to remember all who have fallen in war, if you don't want to wear one don't, thats the free society our (well my)forefathers fought for. James Mcleans were no doubt refuelling Nazi Submarines along with the rest of the British Haters.

The IRA was a comparatively puny organisation before Bloody Sunday. The British Army gave it its biggest victory ever. So they started it.

Go and educate yourself on Irish History.

Excellent point Jock

Actually following the Irish Civil War the IRA had become a very small organization as the post says. Troops were first sent to the north of Ireland in the 60s to protect the catholic communities and were welcomed on the whole. It was Blood Sunday and other atrocities by the troops that changed all that. The IRA split in two-Provisional and Official and the rest is history as they say.

Troubles in Ireland did not start in the 1960s ,though things like internment, Bloody Sunday and the hunger strikes, all badly handled by the British Government, did swell recruitment to the Provos. However this thread has gone off at a tangent, it's about the right to remember our War dead.

British troops deployed to Northern Ireland in August 1969 - and went to protect the Catholic areas and they were initially welcomed with open arms. The situation started deteriorating in 1971 when catholics started turning against our troops and by 1972 the situation turned into an insurgency. In 1972, over 100 British soldiers were killed - many more wounded.

In total, over 1,400 British soldiers lost their lives and over 6,500 wounded. This doesn't take into account other Security Forces personel, such as the RUC (Police) and UDR (Part time Ulster Defence Regiment), you can add another 4 - 500 at the very least.

Many casualties ( Hundreds) were put down as simple accidents - and are not on the official 'Roll of Honour' - many were killed by a missile (stones or petrol bombs).

Unfortunately, apart from the ones that served there (myself included) - it's all been swept under the carpet and we've been betrayed and forgotten!

I think it would be a great idea for FIFA to FORCE every team to wear a WHITE POPPY! No if nor buts you just gotta wear it. f**k all the political shit, let's keep politics out of sport but let's solemnly remember all the innocents far and wide who have been mutilated and murdered through warmongering and those that have sacrificed their lives so that the elite may prosper.

So in your World the Red Poppy is political and the White one isn't

I think it would be a great idea for FIFA to FORCE every team to wear a WHITE POPPY! No if nor buts you just gotta wear it. f**k all the political shit, let's keep politics out of sport but let's solemnly remember all the innocents far and wide who have been mutilated and murdered through warmongering and those that have sacrificed their lives so that the elite may prosper.

So in your World the Red Poppy is political and the White one isn't

I have to agree City Slicker has suggested something which is a bit of a contradiction. A White Poppy is not a political symbol but a Red one is? Sorry that doesn't make sense or gets around FIFA's rule.

I think it would be a great idea for FIFA to FORCE every team to wear a WHITE POPPY! No if nor buts you just gotta wear it. f**k all the political shit, let's keep politics out of sport but let's solemnly remember all the innocents far and wide who have been mutilated and murdered through warmongering and those that have sacrificed their lives so that the elite may prosper.

So in your World the Red Poppy is political and the White one isn't

I have to agree City Slicker has suggested something which is a bit of a contradiction. A White Poppy is not a political symbol but a Red one is? Sorry that doesn't make sense or gets around FIFA's rule.

Agree, sounds like a contradiction to me as well. I don'e see why people are making this political. To me it is nothing more than showing respect for those who gave their lives for our freedom. They had no choice and it is for those I wear a poppy, not the politicians who sent them into war.