Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:28 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:wez1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:This case just proves that British justice is the best that money can buy. Evans is a sexual predator who is rich enough to offer a £50,000 'reward' to anyone willing to lie for him and to hire a lawyer with enough influence to get him a 'not guilty' verdict.
This outcome has put every woman who is drunk and enticed back to a hotel room open to sex with any passing male as it sets the precedence that consent is not required if you are drunk. Those jurors should be totally ashamed of themselves as should that piece of crap Ched Evans.
fair play your a bit of a tool ,you need to read up on the whole recent court notes Ched is not guilty simple as that ,you keep on about people lied but have no evidence yourself to back it up
Evans was convicted of rape and that was upheld on appeal. This retrial used evidence from someone who suddenly appeared after reading that Evans was offering £50,000 to anyone who could give evidence which would clear him.
I have read this evidence and the defence managed to manipulate it well enough to give reasonable doubt and therefore Evans was found not guilty. Personally IMO I thought the testimony was shaky at best.
If this 'witness' was so interested in justice then why didn't he come forward before Evans offered £50,000?
BTW Drop the personal attacks last warning.
Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:38 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:wez1927 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:This case just proves that British justice is the best that money can buy. Evans is a sexual predator who is rich enough to offer a £50,000 'reward' to anyone willing to lie for him and to hire a lawyer with enough influence to get him a 'not guilty' verdict.
This outcome has put every woman who is drunk and enticed back to a hotel room open to sex with any passing male as it sets the precedence that consent is not required if you are drunk. Those jurors should be totally ashamed of themselves as should that piece of crap Ched Evans.
fair play your a bit of a tool ,you need to read up on the whole recent court notes Ched is not guilty simple as that ,you keep on about people lied but have no evidence yourself to back it up
Evans was convicted of rape and that was upheld on appeal. This retrial used evidence from someone who suddenly appeared after reading that Evans was offering £50,000 to anyone who could give evidence which would clear him.
I have read this evidence and the defence managed to manipulate it well enough to give reasonable doubt and therefore Evans was found not guilty. Personally IMO I thought the testimony was shaky at best.
If this 'witness' was so interested in justice then why didn't he come forward before Evans offered £50,000?
BTW Drop the personal attacks last warning.
Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:36 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:sid61284 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:This case just proves that British justice is the best that money can buy. Evans is a sexual predator who is rich enough to offer a £50,000 'reward' to anyone willing to lie for him and to hire a lawyer with enough influence to get him a 'not guilty' verdict.
This outcome has put every woman who is drunk and enticed back to a hotel room open to sex with any passing male as it sets the precedence that consent is not required if you are drunk. Those jurors should be totally ashamed of themselves as should that piece of crap Ched Evans.
I can't believe your comments here.
There is absolutely no evidence that she was raped. Just that she was drunk and had sex with 2 equally drunk men.
All she has ever reported to the police is that she woke up naked and confused and couldn't remember the night before.
Equally there is no evidence to say it wasn't rape apart from 2 friends matching stories, which must be taken as the truth when giving evidence under oath.
Maybe the 2 men are lying and he did rape her, but equally maybe she is lying about not remembering and what the men are saying is true.
You can not convict someone for the only known fact of 2 people having sex while being drunk.
Have you ever had sex with your wife when both drunk? On these occasions has she given you a clear 'yes'?
Do you ask your wife every time you have sex 'can we have sex?' and get a clear 'yes'?
If you can not answer yes to the last 2 questions, then you are also a rapist
You call my comments unbelievable?
Firstly Evans was sober and NEVER claimed he was drunk, so you're opinion has got off to an amazingly bad start!
There have been many convictions of rape when the victim has no memory, such as where date rape drugs have been used.
Anyone who is married or has been married knows that if your wife doesn't want sex then she will certainly let you know. If I or anyone forced her we would then be guilty of rape. That was an awful analogy use one of very low intelligence.
Evans has been found not guilty of committing a criminal act.
I stand by my comments he 'bought' his innocence he didn't deserve it and in any case his behaviour in tricking his way into the hotel room and having sex with a drunken stranger whilst being in a long term relationship and leaving covertly via the fire escape is not in dispute (he admitted this). It is an obnoxious way to behave and on those grounds he should NEVER be signed by this club or represent his country again.
Of course you might think that behaviour is OK? That would say more about you than it would about anything else.
Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:44 pm
sid61284 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:sid61284 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:This case just proves that British justice is the best that money can buy. Evans is a sexual predator who is rich enough to offer a £50,000 'reward' to anyone willing to lie for him and to hire a lawyer with enough influence to get him a 'not guilty' verdict.
This outcome has put every woman who is drunk and enticed back to a hotel room open to sex with any passing male as it sets the precedence that consent is not required if you are drunk. Those jurors should be totally ashamed of themselves as should that piece of crap Ched Evans.
I can't believe your comments here.
There is absolutely no evidence that she was raped. Just that she was drunk and had sex with 2 equally drunk men.
All she has ever reported to the police is that she woke up naked and confused and couldn't remember the night before.
Equally there is no evidence to say it wasn't rape apart from 2 friends matching stories, which must be taken as the truth when giving evidence under oath.
Maybe the 2 men are lying and he did rape her, but equally maybe she is lying about not remembering and what the men are saying is true.
You can not convict someone for the only known fact of 2 people having sex while being drunk.
Have you ever had sex with your wife when both drunk? On these occasions has she given you a clear 'yes'?
Do you ask your wife every time you have sex 'can we have sex?' and get a clear 'yes'?
If you can not answer yes to the last 2 questions, then you are also a rapist
You call my comments unbelievable?
Firstly Evans was sober and NEVER claimed he was drunk, so you're opinion has got off to an amazingly bad start!
There have been many convictions of rape when the victim has no memory, such as where date rape drugs have been used.
Anyone who is married or has been married knows that if your wife doesn't want sex then she will certainly let you know. If I or anyone forced her we would then be guilty of rape. That was an awful analogy use one of very low intelligence.
Evans has been found not guilty of committing a criminal act.
I stand by my comments he 'bought' his innocence he didn't deserve it and in any case his behaviour in tricking his way into the hotel room and having sex with a drunken stranger whilst being in a long term relationship and leaving covertly via the fire escape is not in dispute (he admitted this). It is an obnoxious way to behave and on those grounds he should NEVER be signed by this club or represent his country again.
Of course you might think that behaviour is OK? That would say more about you than it would about anything else.
And to your comment about Evans being sober. He actually said he was drunk but in control
Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:14 am
wez1927 wrote:sid61284 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:sid61284 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:This case just proves that British justice is the best that money can buy. Evans is a sexual predator who is rich enough to offer a £50,000 'reward' to anyone willing to lie for him and to hire a lawyer with enough influence to get him a 'not guilty' verdict.
This outcome has put every woman who is drunk and enticed back to a hotel room open to sex with any passing male as it sets the precedence that consent is not required if you are drunk. Those jurors should be totally ashamed of themselves as should that piece of crap Ched Evans.
I can't believe your comments here.
There is absolutely no evidence that she was raped. Just that she was drunk and had sex with 2 equally drunk men.
All she has ever reported to the police is that she woke up naked and confused and couldn't remember the night before.
Equally there is no evidence to say it wasn't rape apart from 2 friends matching stories, which must be taken as the truth when giving evidence under oath.
Maybe the 2 men are lying and he did rape her, but equally maybe she is lying about not remembering and what the men are saying is true.
You can not convict someone for the only known fact of 2 people having sex while being drunk.
Have you ever had sex with your wife when both drunk? On these occasions has she given you a clear 'yes'?
Do you ask your wife every time you have sex 'can we have sex?' and get a clear 'yes'?
If you can not answer yes to the last 2 questions, then you are also a rapist
You call my comments unbelievable?
Firstly Evans was sober and NEVER claimed he was drunk, so you're opinion has got off to an amazingly bad start!
There have been many convictions of rape when the victim has no memory, such as where date rape drugs have been used.
Anyone who is married or has been married knows that if your wife doesn't want sex then she will certainly let you know. If I or anyone forced her we would then be guilty of rape. That was an awful analogy use one of very low intelligence.
Evans has been found not guilty of committing a criminal act.
I stand by my comments he 'bought' his innocence he didn't deserve it and in any case his behaviour in tricking his way into the hotel room and having sex with a drunken stranger whilst being in a long term relationship and leaving covertly via the fire escape is not in dispute (he admitted this). It is an obnoxious way to behave and on those grounds he should NEVER be signed by this club or represent his country again.
Of course you might think that behaviour is OK? That would say more about you than it would about anything else.
And to your comment about Evans being sober. He actually said he was drunk but in control
just proves that tony needs to read the whole trial notes also tony said previously that Evans never met the girl before the hotel room but he did in a nightclub earlier in the evening
Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:31 am
bluebird-77 wrote:wez1927 wrote:sid61284 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:sid61284 wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:This case just proves that British justice is the best that money can buy. Evans is a sexual predator who is rich enough to offer a £50,000 'reward' to anyone willing to lie for him and to hire a lawyer with enough influence to get him a 'not guilty' verdict.
This outcome has put every woman who is drunk and enticed back to a hotel room open to sex with any passing male as it sets the precedence that consent is not required if you are drunk. Those jurors should be totally ashamed of themselves as should that piece of crap Ched Evans.
I can't believe your comments here.
There is absolutely no evidence that she was raped. Just that she was drunk and had sex with 2 equally drunk men.
All she has ever reported to the police is that she woke up naked and confused and couldn't remember the night before.
Equally there is no evidence to say it wasn't rape apart from 2 friends matching stories, which must be taken as the truth when giving evidence under oath.
Maybe the 2 men are lying and he did rape her, but equally maybe she is lying about not remembering and what the men are saying is true.
You can not convict someone for the only known fact of 2 people having sex while being drunk.
Have you ever had sex with your wife when both drunk? On these occasions has she given you a clear 'yes'?
Do you ask your wife every time you have sex 'can we have sex?' and get a clear 'yes'?
If you can not answer yes to the last 2 questions, then you are also a rapist
You call my comments unbelievable?
Firstly Evans was sober and NEVER claimed he was drunk, so you're opinion has got off to an amazingly bad start!
There have been many convictions of rape when the victim has no memory, such as where date rape drugs have been used.
Anyone who is married or has been married knows that if your wife doesn't want sex then she will certainly let you know. If I or anyone forced her we would then be guilty of rape. That was an awful analogy use one of very low intelligence.
Evans has been found not guilty of committing a criminal act.
I stand by my comments he 'bought' his innocence he didn't deserve it and in any case his behaviour in tricking his way into the hotel room and having sex with a drunken stranger whilst being in a long term relationship and leaving covertly via the fire escape is not in dispute (he admitted this). It is an obnoxious way to behave and on those grounds he should NEVER be signed by this club or represent his country again.
Of course you might think that behaviour is OK? That would say more about you than it would about anything else.
And to your comment about Evans being sober. He actually said he was drunk but in control
just proves that tony needs to read the whole trial notes also tony said previously that Evans never met the girl before the hotel room but he did in a nightclub earlier in the evening
Unfortunately Tony has some very bigoted views on this case. Shame as he put forward some good points on other threads. Also saying he'd apologise if not guilty came in. There's been no such apology in fact the opposite if anything.
He also not a man of his word. Shame on you Tony you've let yourself down here mate.