ANGRY CARDIFF CHAIRMAN DALMAN DISMISSES 'INSANE' FANS CLAIMS

We "Say what we see" Dalmon is nothing more than Tans puppet.

Now its £200million it just gets worse, you've got to laugh otherwise you would breakdown and cry with all the bullshit and spin coming out.

We've received over £120mill in Sky money/Sponsorship/Gate money etc etc

Annis, sometimes I actually find it hard reading your posts, the negativity is painfull, and im not sure what your try to suggest at times.

You say the debt is now £200m, yet we had £120m in TV money, that correct but that money does not go straight off the bottom line. You know as well as anyone the club has serious finantial issues with day to day running costs.

the extreme wages we have given players, the pay offs on a lot of players to get them off the books, rightly or wrongly. We have around 10-11k season ticket holders, call an average £300 a ticket, this will give approx even at 11k £3.3m. I'm not being funny but 3 players at £15k a week and that money is gone. upto last season Kenwyn Jones was almost £2m annually on his own.

We have a crazy sized squad who eat into any money the club generates, if Tan has to balance the books, then thats why the money is growing and not being paid off the bottom line.

even if the club was debt free, the club still owe circa £200m to Tan, its in the assets of the club inc the players and stadium.

Do you have a better solution other than wish scam was back in charge? And before you say I'm protecting Tan, or defending his actions your wrong, he is our only hope of staying alive as a football club.

Dalman is plainly wrong. To sell your best asset [Marshy] for less than half his actual value in the same bloody week you sell his natural replacement.....what is that except 'asset-stripping'? It cannot benefit the club except in the short-term, to make it more attractive to potential buyers. Of course Tan doesn't want to sell yet, but after the last parachute it will be another matter.

read the other topic the whole interview it says why marshal went ,hull papers reported the fee was 5 million which is good money for hI'm

The actual fee was 2.5 million with add ons. Marshall was worth at least £8 million. The spin from Dalman is now that he wanted to leave. Well, he would say that wouldn't he? If we'd insisted on a proper fee I could understand, but we simply flogged him on the cheap straight after selling his deputy. Classic asset-stripping.

How do you know it was 2.5 million ?did you see the contract ? and Marshall worth 8 million no chance

More spin and complete rubbish being dished out to the "Customers" of Cardiff City FC

Now its £200million it just gets worse, you've got to laugh otherwise you would breakdown and cry with all the bullshit and spin coming out.

We've received over £120mill in Sky money/Sponsorship/Gate money etc etc

Annis, sometimes I actually find it hard reading your posts, the negativity is painfull, and im not sure what your try to suggest at times.

You say the debt is now £200m, yet we had £120m in TV money, that correct but that money does not go straight off the bottom line. You know as well as anyone the club has serious finantial issues with day to day running costs.

the extreme wages we have given players, the pay offs on a lot of players to get them off the books, rightly or wrongly. We have around 10-11k season ticket holders, call an average £300 a ticket, this will give approx even at 11k £3.3m. I'm not being funny but 3 players at £15k a week and that money is gone. upto last season Kenwyn Jones was almost £2m annually on his own.

We have a crazy sized squad who eat into any money the club generates, if Tan has to balance the books, then thats why the money is growing and not being paid off the bottom line.

even if the club was debt free, the club still owe circa £200m to Tan, its in the assets of the club inc the players and stadium.

Do you have a better solution other than wish scam was back in charge? And before you say I'm protecting Tan, or defending his actions your wrong, he is our only hope of staying alive as a football club.

First of all I don't ask you to read my posts, I don't force you.
Secondly the negativity comes direct from our club, how can I be positive with so much bullshit and years of it,plus what they've put us through and if I am so wrong where are the fans nowadays?


Dalman has just stated that Tan has put about £200mill in our club, Ive not stated it?
All the current problems are caused by the current Regime a fact end of, you can spin it what ever way you want.






I NOTICED YOUVE ONLY SINGLED ME OUT


I Would love to post positive stuff on City, but sadly theres not much to write at this current time, maybe a win at Norwich will cheer us all up


PLUS Ive just been looking at your posts,plenty of concerns and negativity in them


Postby caerdydd_78 » Thu May 12, 2016 10:45 am

Great news this morning regarding Immers, he wanted it and the fans wanted it!

My ONLY concern is, why are we buying players without our new manager bring at the helm? this tells me that Trollope will be given this job, regardless of all the press and fans demanding someone else.

Otherwise, the new manager may come in and not take to Immers like we all have?

Anyone feel the same?

I believe the Club on the Marshall thing, I don't see why they would lie when all Marshall would have to do is come out and tell the truth if he felt the Club were spinning the story about him.

Marshall wanted to leave, no if's but's or maybe's. The bloke wanted out, I don't blame him to be honest.

Now its £200million it just gets worse, you've got to laugh otherwise you would breakdown and cry with all the bullshit and spin coming out.

We've received over £120mill in Sky money/Sponsorship/Gate money etc etc

Annis, sometimes I actually find it hard reading your posts, the negativity is painfull, and im not sure what your try to suggest at times.

You say the debt is now £200m, yet we had £120m in TV money, that correct but that money does not go straight off the bottom line. You know as well as anyone the club has serious finantial issues with day to day running costs.

the extreme wages we have given players, the pay offs on a lot of players to get them off the books, rightly or wrongly. We have around 10-11k season ticket holders, call an average £300 a ticket, this will give approx even at 11k £3.3m. I'm not being funny but 3 players at £15k a week and that money is gone. upto last season Kenwyn Jones was almost £2m annually on his own.

We have a crazy sized squad who eat into any money the club generates, if Tan has to balance the books, then thats why the money is growing and not being paid off the bottom line.

even if the club was debt free, the club still owe circa £200m to Tan, its in the assets of the club inc the players and stadium.

Do you have a better solution other than wish scam was back in charge? And before you say I'm protecting Tan, or defending his actions your wrong, he is our only hope of staying alive as a football club.

First of all I don't ask you to read my posts, I don't force you.
Secondly the negativity comes direct from our club, how can I be positive with so much bullshit and years of it,plus what they've put us through and if I am so wrong where are the fans nowadays?


Dalman has just stated that Tan has put about £200mill in our club, Ive not stated it?
All the current problems are caused by the current Regime a fact end of, you can spin it what ever way you want.







I Would love to post positive stuff on City, but sadly theres not much to write at this current time, maybe a win at Norwich will cheer us all up


PLUS Ive just been looking at your posts,plenty of concerns and negativity in them


Postby caerdydd_78 » Thu May 12, 2016 10:45 am

Great news this morning regarding Immers, he wanted it and the fans wanted it!

My ONLY concern is, why are we buying players without our new manager bring at the helm? this tells me that Trollope will be given this job, regardless of all the press and fans demanding someone else.

Otherwise, the new manager may come in and not take to Immers like we all have?

Anyone feel the same?

That's not negative, we signed a player before Trollope was appointed, just found it concerning that the manager was not involved.

My point being, the negativity surrounding Tan and the CLUBS decisions, is never being allowed to be in the past. You have to remember, board members like Borley, Isaacs and the rest allowed the decisions by Tan to be approved and accepted, yet people are happy to jump on a man who has put in £200m. Now until things change, he is sticking to his guns and making us more affordable and living within the budget the club can survive on.

The money owed to him, is in the potential sale of the club, the club will be far more attractive being dept free that in its current state, so I don't see why the club or Tan is being held to ransom because they are not spending like he did in his early years, the club simply does not generate the income to allow us to spend like Derby or even Wolves have.

My major points being, we had a far better ave gate when Tan took over, we had better season ticket sales, due to the price freeze and players were not on stupid wages. The FFP system was also not in place so clubs like Chelsea, Man City could throw tens of millions each season, but now clubs cannot run like that unless there books meet the demands of FFP, you know this yet still complain.

I see posts from loads of members relating to the club 'Lying' giving the fans bullshit? Come on Annis even you can see the club has to do the right thing, it saves money, people complain, it spends and people complain, I understand Dalman and his answers, fans can like it or hate it but football is a business, there are no more Jack Walkers in this world who done it for love of the club, and Even if Jack was alive and still owned Blackburn, FFP stops him doing what he did in the 90's.

I for one am sorry to see quality players being sold, but if CCFC has any future, it has to do whats its doing.

"Anybody who makes these asset-strip comments are either flawed when it comes to basic arithmetic, deliberately want to look at things just one way, or are plain wrong."



This says it all. Unfortunately there are a lot of posters on here who are throwing temper tantrums because they can't get their own way. There are many owners around worse than Mr Tan. Be careful what you wish for.

Now its £200million it just gets worse, you've got to laugh otherwise you would breakdown and cry with all the bullshit and spin coming out.

We've received over £120mill in Sky money/Sponsorship/Gate money etc etc

Annis, sometimes I actually find it hard reading your posts, the negativity is painfull, and im not sure what your try to suggest at times.

You say the debt is now £200m, yet we had £120m in TV money, that correct but that money does not go straight off the bottom line. You know as well as anyone the club has serious finantial issues with day to day running costs.

the extreme wages we have given players, the pay offs on a lot of players to get them off the books, rightly or wrongly. We have around 10-11k season ticket holders, call an average £300 a ticket, this will give approx even at 11k £3.3m. I'm not being funny but 3 players at £15k a week and that money is gone. upto last season Kenwyn Jones was almost £2m annually on his own.

We have a crazy sized squad who eat into any money the club generates, if Tan has to balance the books, then thats why the money is growing and not being paid off the bottom line.

even if the club was debt free, the club still owe circa £200m to Tan, its in the assets of the club inc the players and stadium.

Do you have a better solution other than wish scam was back in charge? And before you say I'm protecting Tan, or defending his actions your wrong, he is our only hope of staying alive as a football club.

First of all I don't ask you to read my posts, I don't force you.
Secondly the negativity comes direct from our club, how can I be positive with so much bullshit and years of it,plus what they've put us through and if I am so wrong where are the fans nowadays?


Dalman has just stated that Tan has put about £200mill in our club, Ive not stated it?
All the current problems are caused by the current Regime a fact end of, you can spin it what ever way you want.







I Would love to post positive stuff on City, but sadly theres not much to write at this current time, maybe a win at Norwich will cheer us all up


PLUS Ive just been looking at your posts,plenty of concerns and negativity in them


Postby caerdydd_78 » Thu May 12, 2016 10:45 am

Great news this morning regarding Immers, he wanted it and the fans wanted it!

My ONLY concern is, why are we buying players without our new manager bring at the helm? this tells me that Trollope will be given this job, regardless of all the press and fans demanding someone else.

Otherwise, the new manager may come in and not take to Immers like we all have?

Anyone feel the same?

That's not negative, we signed a player before Trollope was appointed, just found it concerning that the manager was not involved.

My point being, the negativity surrounding Tan and the CLUBS decisions, is never being allowed to be in the past. You have to remember, board members like Borley, Isaacs and the rest allowed the decisions by Tan to be approved and accepted, yet people are happy to jump on a man who has put in £200m. Now until things change, he is sticking to his guns and making us more affordable and living within the budget the club can survive on.

The money owed to him, is in the potential sale of the club, the club will be far more attractive being dept free that in its current state, so I don't see why the club or Tan is being held to ransom because they are not spending like he did in his early years, the club simply does not generate the income to allow us to spend like Derby or even Wolves have.

My major points being, we had a far better ave gate when Tan took over, we had better season ticket sales, due to the price freeze and players were not on stupid wages. The FFP system was also not in place so clubs like Chelsea, Man City could throw tens of millions each season, but now clubs cannot run like that unless there books meet the demands of FFP, you know this yet still complain.

I see posts from loads of members relating to the club 'Lying' giving the fans bullshit? Come on Annis even you can see the club has to do the right thing, it saves money, people complain, it spends and people complain, I understand Dalman and his answers, fans can like it or hate it but football is a business, there are no more Jack Walkers in this world who done it for love of the club, and Even if Jack was alive and still owned Blackburn, FFP stops him doing what he did in the 90's.

I for one am sorry to see quality players being sold, but if CCFC has any future, it has to do whats its doing.

Plenty of sense in your post

But my points are, the Rebrand can't just be forgotten as it teared our club apart and thats why many including myself can not forgive Vincent Tan and many others for it, I'm 100% not the only ones who feel that way.

Tan arrived at our club with crowds of 20,000 plus every week and our away support 3 times bigger than it is nowadays, where are many of these fans now?

Tan has been here Seven years and the current mess his totally his, no one else's, fans are not to blame.

Yes the club has reduced the prices drastically
But the fans have not returned? ask yourself why?
Also why only single me out on here?

I want to be positive,hopefully the results will improve and we can all be very positive

Now its £200million it just gets worse, you've got to laugh otherwise you would breakdown and cry with all the bullshit and spin coming out.

We've received over £120mill in Sky money/Sponsorship/Gate money etc etc

Annis, sometimes I actually find it hard reading your posts, the negativity is painfull, and im not sure what your try to suggest at times.

You say the debt is now £200m, yet we had £120m in TV money, that correct but that money does not go straight off the bottom line. You know as well as anyone the club has serious finantial issues with day to day running costs.

the extreme wages we have given players, the pay offs on a lot of players to get them off the books, rightly or wrongly. We have around 10-11k season ticket holders, call an average £300 a ticket, this will give approx even at 11k £3.3m. I'm not being funny but 3 players at £15k a week and that money is gone. upto last season Kenwyn Jones was almost £2m annually on his own.

We have a crazy sized squad who eat into any money the club generates, if Tan has to balance the books, then thats why the money is growing and not being paid off the bottom line.

even if the club was debt free, the club still owe circa £200m to Tan, its in the assets of the club inc the players and stadium.

Do you have a better solution other than wish scam was back in charge? And before you say I'm protecting Tan, or defending his actions your wrong, he is our only hope of staying alive as a football club.

First of all I don't ask you to read my posts, I don't force you.
Secondly the negativity comes direct from our club, how can I be positive with so much bullshit and years of it,plus what they've put us through and if I am so wrong where are the fans nowadays?


Dalman has just stated that Tan has put about £200mill in our club, Ive not stated it?
All the current problems are caused by the current Regime a fact end of, you can spin it what ever way you want.







I Would love to post positive stuff on City, but sadly theres not much to write at this current time, maybe a win at Norwich will cheer us all up


PLUS Ive just been looking at your posts,plenty of concerns and negativity in them


Postby caerdydd_78 » Thu May 12, 2016 10:45 am

Great news this morning regarding Immers, he wanted it and the fans wanted it!

My ONLY concern is, why are we buying players without our new manager bring at the helm? this tells me that Trollope will be given this job, regardless of all the press and fans demanding someone else.

Otherwise, the new manager may come in and not take to Immers like we all have?

Anyone feel the same?

That's not negative, we signed a player before Trollope was appointed, just found it concerning that the manager was not involved.

My point being, the negativity surrounding Tan and the CLUBS decisions, is never being allowed to be in the past. You have to remember, board members like Borley, Isaacs and the rest allowed the decisions by Tan to be approved and accepted, yet people are happy to jump on a man who has put in £200m. Now until things change, he is sticking to his guns and making us more affordable and living within the budget the club can survive on.

The money owed to him, is in the potential sale of the club, the club will be far more attractive being dept free that in its current state, so I don't see why the club or Tan is being held to ransom because they are not spending like he did in his early years, the club simply does not generate the income to allow us to spend like Derby or even Wolves have.

My major points being, we had a far better ave gate when Tan took over, we had better season ticket sales, due to the price freeze and players were not on stupid wages. The FFP system was also not in place so clubs like Chelsea, Man City could throw tens of millions each season, but now clubs cannot run like that unless there books meet the demands of FFP, you know this yet still complain.

I see posts from loads of members relating to the club 'Lying' giving the fans bullshit? Come on Annis even you can see the club has to do the right thing, it saves money, people complain, it spends and people complain, I understand Dalman and his answers, fans can like it or hate it but football is a business, there are no more Jack Walkers in this world who done it for love of the club, and Even if Jack was alive and still owned Blackburn, FFP stops him doing what he did in the 90's.

I for one am sorry to see quality players being sold, but if CCFC has any future, it has to do whats its doing.

Plenty of sense in your post

But my points are, the Rebrand can't just be forgotten as it teared our club apart and thats why many including myself can not forgive Vincent Tan and many others for it, I'm 100% not the only ones who feel that way.

Tan arrived at our club with crowds of 20,000 plus every week and our away support 3 times bigger than it is nowadays, where are many of these fans now?

Tan has been here Seven years and the current mess his totally his, no one else's, fans are not to blame.

Yes the club has reduced the prices drastically
But the fans have not returned? ask yourself why?
Also why only single me out on here?

I want to be positive,hopefully the results will improve and we can all be very positive

I hated Tan for the rebrand and he did cause all the unrest between supporters ,but playing devils advocate here .Tan was told by the ccfc boardmembers that the rebrand would be accepted , Borley I believe said when we returned back to blue that the board were desperate and the club was hemorrhaging money and they accepted it on the basis that Tan would inject funds which he did. So in the eyes of Tan I think he thought everything was fine he admitted himself that he didn't know much about football and that's probably why he didn't think it would be a big deal in changing to red.

I'm not a Tan lover but we are back in blue now I think he knew he did wrong with the rebrand and at least he did give us our blue back and he is still trying to clear the debt . I think us as supporters just need to try and move on from the red and just support the team

Now its £200million it just gets worse, you've got to laugh otherwise you would breakdown and cry with all the bullshit and spin coming out.

We've received over £120mill in Sky money/Sponsorship/Gate money etc etc

Annis, sometimes I actually find it hard reading your posts, the negativity is painfull, and im not sure what your try to suggest at times.

You say the debt is now £200m, yet we had £120m in TV money, that correct but that money does not go straight off the bottom line. You know as well as anyone the club has serious finantial issues with day to day running costs.

the extreme wages we have given players, the pay offs on a lot of players to get them off the books, rightly or wrongly. We have around 10-11k season ticket holders, call an average £300 a ticket, this will give approx even at 11k £3.3m. I'm not being funny but 3 players at £15k a week and that money is gone. upto last season Kenwyn Jones was almost £2m annually on his own.

We have a crazy sized squad who eat into any money the club generates, if Tan has to balance the books, then thats why the money is growing and not being paid off the bottom line.

even if the club was debt free, the club still owe circa £200m to Tan, its in the assets of the club inc the players and stadium.

Do you have a better solution other than wish scam was back in charge? And before you say I'm protecting Tan, or defending his actions your wrong, he is our only hope of staying alive as a football club.

First of all I don't ask you to read my posts, I don't force you.
Secondly the negativity comes direct from our club, how can I be positive with so much bullshit and years of it,plus what they've put us through and if I am so wrong where are the fans nowadays?


Dalman has just stated that Tan has put about £200mill in our club, Ive not stated it?
All the current problems are caused by the current Regime a fact end of, you can spin it what ever way you want.







I Would love to post positive stuff on City, but sadly theres not much to write at this current time, maybe a win at Norwich will cheer us all up


PLUS Ive just been looking at your posts,plenty of concerns and negativity in them


Postby caerdydd_78 » Thu May 12, 2016 10:45 am

Great news this morning regarding Immers, he wanted it and the fans wanted it!

My ONLY concern is, why are we buying players without our new manager bring at the helm? this tells me that Trollope will be given this job, regardless of all the press and fans demanding someone else.

Otherwise, the new manager may come in and not take to Immers like we all have?

Anyone feel the same?

That's not negative, we signed a player before Trollope was appointed, just found it concerning that the manager was not involved.

My point being, the negativity surrounding Tan and the CLUBS decisions, is never being allowed to be in the past. You have to remember, board members like Borley, Isaacs and the rest allowed the decisions by Tan to be approved and accepted, yet people are happy to jump on a man who has put in £200m. Now until things change, he is sticking to his guns and making us more affordable and living within the budget the club can survive on.

The money owed to him, is in the potential sale of the club, the club will be far more attractive being dept free that in its current state, so I don't see why the club or Tan is being held to ransom because they are not spending like he did in his early years, the club simply does not generate the income to allow us to spend like Derby or even Wolves have.

My major points being, we had a far better ave gate when Tan took over, we had better season ticket sales, due to the price freeze and players were not on stupid wages. The FFP system was also not in place so clubs like Chelsea, Man City could throw tens of millions each season, but now clubs cannot run like that unless there books meet the demands of FFP, you know this yet still complain.

I see posts from loads of members relating to the club 'Lying' giving the fans bullshit? Come on Annis even you can see the club has to do the right thing, it saves money, people complain, it spends and people complain, I understand Dalman and his answers, fans can like it or hate it but football is a business, there are no more Jack Walkers in this world who done it for love of the club, and Even if Jack was alive and still owned Blackburn, FFP stops him doing what he did in the 90's.

I for one am sorry to see quality players being sold, but if CCFC has any future, it has to do whats its doing.

Plenty of sense in your post

But my points are, the Rebrand can't just be forgotten as it teared our club apart and thats why many including myself can not forgive Vincent Tan and many others for it, I'm 100% not the only ones who feel that way.

Tan arrived at our club with crowds of 20,000 plus every week and our away support 3 times bigger than it is nowadays, where are many of these fans now?

Tan has been here Seven years and the current mess his totally his, no one else's, fans are not to blame.

Yes the club has reduced the prices drastically
But the fans have not returned? ask yourself why?
Also why only single me out on here?

I want to be positive,hopefully the results will improve and we can all be very positive

To me, it seems the club is set on winning awards and backing from the away fans rather than its home fans.

I personally miss the way the club used to work with the fans, say on the Echo/City Junior Bluebirds efforts. I knew 1000s of kids who used to save the vouchers in the echo and go to matches. It seems unless these tickets are FREE, nobody goes.

This is where the club is failing, as a kid I felt part of CCFC, it was my club, my hero's didn't need 20k a week to feel good about himself, it was the fans, the Ayatollah, the feel about the club.

That is whats missing.

Now its £200million it just gets worse, you've got to laugh otherwise you would breakdown and cry with all the bullshit and spin coming out.

We've received over £120mill in Sky money/Sponsorship/Gate money etc etc

Annis, sometimes I actually find it hard reading your posts, the negativity is painfull, and im not sure what your try to suggest at times.

You say the debt is now £200m, yet we had £120m in TV money, that correct but that money does not go straight off the bottom line. You know as well as anyone the club has serious finantial issues with day to day running costs.

the extreme wages we have given players, the pay offs on a lot of players to get them off the books, rightly or wrongly. We have around 10-11k season ticket holders, call an average £300 a ticket, this will give approx even at 11k £3.3m. I'm not being funny but 3 players at £15k a week and that money is gone. upto last season Kenwyn Jones was almost £2m annually on his own.

We have a crazy sized squad who eat into any money the club generates, if Tan has to balance the books, then thats why the money is growing and not being paid off the bottom line.

even if the club was debt free, the club still owe circa £200m to Tan, its in the assets of the club inc the players and stadium.

Do you have a better solution other than wish scam was back in charge? And before you say I'm protecting Tan, or defending his actions your wrong, he is our only hope of staying alive as a football club.

First of all I don't ask you to read my posts, I don't force you.
Secondly the negativity comes direct from our club, how can I be positive with so much bullshit and years of it,plus what they've put us through and if I am so wrong where are the fans nowadays?


Dalman has just stated that Tan has put about £200mill in our club, Ive not stated it?
All the current problems are caused by the current Regime a fact end of, you can spin it what ever way you want.







I Would love to post positive stuff on City, but sadly theres not much to write at this current time, maybe a win at Norwich will cheer us all up


PLUS Ive just been looking at your posts,plenty of concerns and negativity in them


Postby caerdydd_78 » Thu May 12, 2016 10:45 am

Great news this morning regarding Immers, he wanted it and the fans wanted it!

My ONLY concern is, why are we buying players without our new manager bring at the helm? this tells me that Trollope will be given this job, regardless of all the press and fans demanding someone else.

Otherwise, the new manager may come in and not take to Immers like we all have?

Anyone feel the same?

That's not negative, we signed a player before Trollope was appointed, just found it concerning that the manager was not involved.

My point being, the negativity surrounding Tan and the CLUBS decisions, is never being allowed to be in the past. You have to remember, board members like Borley, Isaacs and the rest allowed the decisions by Tan to be approved and accepted, yet people are happy to jump on a man who has put in £200m. Now until things change, he is sticking to his guns and making us more affordable and living within the budget the club can survive on.

The money owed to him, is in the potential sale of the club, the club will be far more attractive being dept free that in its current state, so I don't see why the club or Tan is being held to ransom because they are not spending like he did in his early years, the club simply does not generate the income to allow us to spend like Derby or even Wolves have.

My major points being, we had a far better ave gate when Tan took over, we had better season ticket sales, due to the price freeze and players were not on stupid wages. The FFP system was also not in place so clubs like Chelsea, Man City could throw tens of millions each season, but now clubs cannot run like that unless there books meet the demands of FFP, you know this yet still complain.

I see posts from loads of members relating to the club 'Lying' giving the fans bullshit? Come on Annis even you can see the club has to do the right thing, it saves money, people complain, it spends and people complain, I understand Dalman and his answers, fans can like it or hate it but football is a business, there are no more Jack Walkers in this world who done it for love of the club, and Even if Jack was alive and still owned Blackburn, FFP stops him doing what he did in the 90's.

I for one am sorry to see quality players being sold, but if CCFC has any future, it has to do whats its doing.

Plenty of sense in your post

But my points are, the Rebrand can't just be forgotten as it teared our club apart and thats why many including myself can not forgive Vincent Tan and many others for it, I'm 100% not the only ones who feel that way.

Tan arrived at our club with crowds of 20,000 plus every week and our away support 3 times bigger than it is nowadays, where are many of these fans now?

Tan has been here Seven years and the current mess his totally his, no one else's, fans are not to blame.

Yes the club has reduced the prices drastically
But the fans have not returned? ask yourself why?
Also why only single me out on here?

I want to be positive,hopefully the results will improve and we can all be very positive

To me, it seems the club is set on winning awards and backing from the away fans rather than its home fans.

I personally miss the way the club used to work with the fans, say on the Echo/City Junior Bluebirds efforts. I knew 1000s of kids who used to save the vouchers in the echo and go to matches. It seems unless these tickets are FREE, nobody goes.

This is where the club is failing, as a kid I felt part of CCFC, it was my club, my hero's didn't need 20k a week to feel good about himself, it was the fans, the Ayatollah, the feel about the club.

That is whats missing.

Totally agree, they spend more time looking after away fans coming to Cardiff City.

They need to work much much more with our fans

Now its £200million it just gets worse, you've got to laugh otherwise you would breakdown and cry with all the bullshit and spin coming out.

We've received over £120mill in Sky money/Sponsorship/Gate money etc etc

Annis, sometimes I actually find it hard reading your posts, the negativity is painfull, and im not sure what your try to suggest at times.

You say the debt is now £200m, yet we had £120m in TV money, that correct but that money does not go straight off the bottom line. You know as well as anyone the club has serious finantial issues with day to day running costs.

the extreme wages we have given players, the pay offs on a lot of players to get them off the books, rightly or wrongly. We have around 10-11k season ticket holders, call an average £300 a ticket, this will give approx even at 11k £3.3m. I'm not being funny but 3 players at £15k a week and that money is gone. upto last season Kenwyn Jones was almost £2m annually on his own.

We have a crazy sized squad who eat into any money the club generates, if Tan has to balance the books, then thats why the money is growing and not being paid off the bottom line.

even if the club was debt free, the club still owe circa £200m to Tan, its in the assets of the club inc the players and stadium.

Do you have a better solution other than wish scam was back in charge? And before you say I'm protecting Tan, or defending his actions your wrong, he is our only hope of staying alive as a football club.

First of all I don't ask you to read my posts, I don't force you.
Secondly the negativity comes direct from our club, how can I be positive with so much bullshit and years of it,plus what they've put us through and if I am so wrong where are the fans nowadays?


Dalman has just stated that Tan has put about £200mill in our club, Ive not stated it?
All the current problems are caused by the current Regime a fact end of, you can spin it what ever way you want.







I Would love to post positive stuff on City, but sadly theres not much to write at this current time, maybe a win at Norwich will cheer us all up


PLUS Ive just been looking at your posts,plenty of concerns and negativity in them


Postby caerdydd_78 » Thu May 12, 2016 10:45 am

Great news this morning regarding Immers, he wanted it and the fans wanted it!

My ONLY concern is, why are we buying players without our new manager bring at the helm? this tells me that Trollope will be given this job, regardless of all the press and fans demanding someone else.

Otherwise, the new manager may come in and not take to Immers like we all have?

Anyone feel the same?

That's not negative, we signed a player before Trollope was appointed, just found it concerning that the manager was not involved.

My point being, the negativity surrounding Tan and the CLUBS decisions, is never being allowed to be in the past. You have to remember, board members like Borley, Isaacs and the rest allowed the decisions by Tan to be approved and accepted, yet people are happy to jump on a man who has put in £200m. Now until things change, he is sticking to his guns and making us more affordable and living within the budget the club can survive on.

The money owed to him, is in the potential sale of the club, the club will be far more attractive being dept free that in its current state, so I don't see why the club or Tan is being held to ransom because they are not spending like he did in his early years, the club simply does not generate the income to allow us to spend like Derby or even Wolves have.

My major points being, we had a far better ave gate when Tan took over, we had better season ticket sales, due to the price freeze and players were not on stupid wages. The FFP system was also not in place so clubs like Chelsea, Man City could throw tens of millions each season, but now clubs cannot run like that unless there books meet the demands of FFP, you know this yet still complain.

I see posts from loads of members relating to the club 'Lying' giving the fans bullshit? Come on Annis even you can see the club has to do the right thing, it saves money, people complain, it spends and people complain, I understand Dalman and his answers, fans can like it or hate it but football is a business, there are no more Jack Walkers in this world who done it for love of the club, and Even if Jack was alive and still owned Blackburn, FFP stops him doing what he did in the 90's.

I for one am sorry to see quality players being sold, but if CCFC has any future, it has to do whats its doing.

Plenty of sense in your post

But my points are, the Rebrand can't just be forgotten as it teared our club apart and thats why many including myself can not forgive Vincent Tan and many others for it, I'm 100% not the only ones who feel that way.

Tan arrived at our club with crowds of 20,000 plus every week and our away support 3 times bigger than it is nowadays, where are many of these fans now?

Tan has been here Seven years and the current mess his totally his, no one else's, fans are not to blame.

Yes the club has reduced the prices drastically
But the fans have not returned? ask yourself why?
Also why only single me out on here?

I want to be positive,hopefully the results will improve and we can all be very positive

I hated Tan for the rebrand and he did cause all the unrest between supporters ,but playing devils advocate here .Tan was told by the ccfc boardmembers that the rebrand would be accepted , Borley I believe said when we returned back to blue that the board were desperate and the club was hemorrhaging money and they accepted it on the basis that Tan would inject funds which he did. So in the eyes of Tan I think he thought everything was fine he admitted himself that he didn't know much about football and that's probably why he didn't think it would be a big deal in changing to red.

I'm not a Tan lover but we are back in blue now I think he knew he did wrong with the rebrand and at least he did give us our blue back and he is still trying to clear the debt . I think us as supporters just need to try and move on from the red and just support the team

Darren, Its not so easy to forgive as it really did divide and break our club up and hurt so many fans including myself.

As to the debt being reduced, I totally agree, but my point is after seven years of running our club,the whole debt situation is now down to Tan himself No one else.

sorry I don't agree with people saying the clUbuntu need to look after fans more ,our tickets are cheap ,we are signing decent level of players like lambert, we even have a bloody band playing under the stand before matches sometimes I think cardiff supporters want it all and need to start looking at themselves and stop blaming the club , our expectations are too high also if we get 27 k crowds like we did at the end of the season they are all plastics when they don't go like this year everyone is moaning Where's the people gone ,I don't think the club can do alot more than they are doing

According to the statement on here from the trust, Tan is converting £68m debt to equity immediately, with the remaining £40m being converted over the next five years. Mr Dalman mentions £200m now owed to Tan. Sums don't seem to add up to me unless I am overlooking something. Probably me mis-reading the situation. I am sure someone will put me right soon.

He's not owed 200m what Dalman means is Tan has put approx 200m into the club and if he was asset stripping to get his money back(which some fans are claiming) then he would need to be asset stripping 200m to get what he put in back which what Dalman is saying that it's not going to happen as there isn't 200m of assets. Dalman is merely pointing out Tan isn't asset stripping

This is by far the most sensible post on this matter and that's why I pinched it.

All the haters need to go back to school and learn maths.

I walked away when it went red and Tan took away my passion for the club which has not returned since but you have to stop hating the guy, listen, think and do the maths. He is doing the right things now and if people don't or cant see that then that's their problem.

As much as we would all like to be a position to sign the top players but as I have been saying for some time the FFP stuff will have a major impact on our club and other clubs. It is well documented how the RED thing was bad for the club and us supporters, but Annis if continue to harp back to the RED thing at very point in time we will never be able to move forward to make any progress. We have to move on!

According to the statement on here from the trust, Tan is converting £68m debt to equity immediately, with the remaining £40m being converted over the next five years. Mr Dalman mentions £200m now owed to Tan. Sums don't seem to add up to me unless I am overlooking something. Probably me mis-reading the situation. I am sure someone will put me right soon.

He's not owed 200m what Dalman means is Tan has put approx 200m into the club and if he was asset stripping to get his money back(which some fans are claiming) then he would need to be asset stripping 200m to get what he put in back which what Dalman is saying that it's not going to happen as there isn't 200m of assets. Dalman is merely pointing out Tan isn't asset stripping

This is by far the most sensible post on this matter and that's why I pinched it.

All the haters need to go back to school and learn maths.

I walked away when it went red and Tan took away my passion for the club which has not returned since but you have to stop hating the guy, listen, think and do the maths. He is doing the right things now and if people don't or cant see that then that's their problem.

So if Tan has put in £200mill, then Tan has gone through a staggering £340mill plus if u incl Sky money,sponsorship,Gate money etc etc

According to the statement on here from the trust, Tan is converting £68m debt to equity immediately, with the remaining £40m being converted over the next five years. Mr Dalman mentions £200m now owed to Tan. Sums don't seem to add up to me unless I am overlooking something. Probably me mis-reading the situation. I am sure someone will put me right soon.

He's not owed 200m what Dalman means is Tan has put approx 200m into the club and if he was asset stripping to get his money back(which some fans are claiming) then he would need to be asset stripping 200m to get what he put in back which what Dalman is saying that it's not going to happen as there isn't 200m of assets. Dalman is merely pointing out Tan isn't asset stripping

This is by far the most sensible post on this matter and that's why I pinched it.

All the haters need to go back to school and learn maths.

I walked away when it went red and Tan took away my passion for the club which has not returned since but you have to stop hating the guy, listen, think and do the maths. He is doing the right things now and if people don't or cant see that then that's their problem.

So if Tan has put in £200mill, then Tan has gone through a staggering £340mill plus if u incl Sky money,sponsorship,Gate money etc etc

You are, of course, correct that Tan hasn't put in £200m so far although it wouldn't too far from accurate to say that he is almost acting like a guarantor for the club which wouldn't be far off that figure.

However, once/if the debt to equity is concluded then he would have put that money into the club.

The biggest problem is that we didn't stay up in the Prem or get back up at the first attempt; clubs that have managed to do that haven't had to go through the sort of pain that we've gone through and suffered the consequences of FFP. It appears, and the accounts will confirm in due course, that Tan is subsidising us up to the max allowed under FFP and therefore it's churlish of us to actually accuse him of washing his hands of us. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think we've ever had an owner who has continued ploughing money in at this rate without raising it in loans against the club.

The main issue is will the debt to equity transfer take place ? If it does then Tan will be looked at in a much different light.

sorry I don't agree with people saying the clUbuntu need to look after fans more ,our tickets are cheap ,we are signing decent level of players like lambert, we even have a bloody band playing under the stand before matches sometimes I think cardiff supporters want it all and need to start looking at themselves and stop blaming the club , our expectations are too high also if we get 27 k crowds like we did at the end of the season they are all plastics when they don't go like this year everyone is moaning Where's the people gone ,I don't think the club can do alot more than they are doing

I agree with a lot of what you say Wez but there is still a lot more they could do mate.

The problem we got imo is that we extended the ground to early and because of that whilst the prices are quite reasonable the club should have made it ultra ultra cheap to get the fans in.

The stadium can create an atmosphere, a bloody good one at that which has been proved at Wales games, but the ground needs to be full or have a good amount in it, you cant have 11-12,000 rattling around in a 33,000 bowl.

People say these days that the ticket revenue is a drop in the ocean so they should have gone all out and said Adults season tickets £150 anywhere in the Canton or Ninian, I genuinely believe they would have got a huge take up on that and would have sold 20,000+ season tickets

It's what Huddersfield have done and they are getting nearly 20,000 a week now and the feel good factor is high, currently top of the league.

Amazing the figures just go up and up with no mention of cash in from TV and player sales, merchandise and ST's etc...
Terrible decisions by useless ceo's I guess keep meaning we lose more with woeful players on huge wages who we can never shift on without paying up the contract, whose fault is that Vincent?? Yes, your ceo. Spent 50 million after promotion but got most back selling them again yet no mention. Think I preferred clemo days to this sham, fans didn't just roll over back then either....

Amazing the figures just go up and up with no mention of cash in from TV and player sales, merchandise and ST's etc...
Terrible decisions by useless ceo's I guess keep meaning we lose more with woeful players on huge wages who we can never shift on without paying up the contract, whose fault is that Vincent?? Yes, your ceo. Spent 50 million after promotion but got most back selling them again yet no mention. Think I preferred clemo days to this sham, fans didn't just roll over back then either....

Thats my point Goats, No mention of the £140mill plus coming in

swampCCFC is correct in saying Dalman is actually saying if VT could re coup the £200 he's put into the club he would.

Once parachute payments are over then we will see him cut his loses and everything that's not screwed down will be sold.

swampCCFC is correct in saying Dalman is actually saying if VT could re coup the £200 he's put into the club he would.

Once parachute payments are over then we will see him cut his loses and everything that's not screwed down will be sold.

Have you any proof of this ?

Where is the " Fans Fav - The CHOO CHOO TRAIN "