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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:04 pm

AHERNE wrote:Hahaha god i dont know Wez .... Corbyn is a man of peace looking for solutions. What do you really want to be supporting governments that support Israeli terror over the last 70 years or our own governments terror in the middle east over the last 13 years? because like it or not there is no bigger terrorist organizations than the israeli, american and british governments. I`ll get called a traitor for that i expect but i honestly couldnt give a toss .... anyway you`ve obviously been brainwashed into believing we are the good guys so i`ll wish you goodnight :ayatollah: and leave you with this, just another example that Corbyn is just looking for solutions to end all this crap our children have now got to deal with. NIGHT! http://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-jewish- ... criticism/
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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:47 pm

AHERNE wrote:Hahaha god i dont know Wez .... Corbyn is a man of peace looking for solutions. What do you really want to be supporting governments that support Israeli terror over the last 70 years or our own governments terror in the middle east over the last 13 years? because like it or not there is no bigger terrorist organizations than the israeli, american and british governments. I`ll get called a traitor for that i expect but i honestly couldnt give a toss .... anyway you`ve obviously been brainwashed into believing we are the good guys so i`ll wish you goodnight :ayatollah: and leave you with this, just another example that Corbyn is just looking for solutions to end all this crap our children have now got to deal with. NIGHT! http://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-jewish- ... criticism/

typical lefty blaming Britain,USA anyone other than the real terrorists ,you've got that white guilt running through your veins let's bash the Jews it's all there fault :lol:

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:51 pm

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:53 pm

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:55 pm

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:59 pm

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:37 am

Morning Wez, can I just reason a question I asked last night?

Would UKIP renationalise everything so that these "people councils" that they plan to implement, would have something to do? Otherwise, wouldn't it be pretty silly for a group of people to sat around the table drinking tea and eating biscuits, having nothing to do because the stuff they are meant to be debating, is run privately?

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:45 am

AfanBluebird wrote:Morning Wez, can I just reason a question I asked last night?

Would UKIP renationalise everything so that these "people councils" that they plan to implement, would have something to do? Otherwise, wouldn't it be pretty silly for a group of people to sat around the table drinking tea and eating biscuits, having nothing to do because the stuff they are meant to be debating, is run privately?

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is everything renationalised now ? why would that need to be done less power to Westminster and more locally

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:52 am

AHERNE wrote:FORGET WHAT MURDOCH AND THE BLARITES TELL YOU ... CORBYN IS THE MAN OF THE PEOPLE AND HE`S IN MERTHYR TOMORROW .... THE REVOLUTION AS STARTED :bluescarf: 1.30 pm in the square. https://www.facebook.com/events/292092531141874/


Man of the people?
Brought up in a posh rural manor house in Shropshire. Another in a long line of privileged feckers claiming to be 'one of us'

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:06 am

Obviously some people are happy with the status quo, neo-liberal brand of politics that we've been served up for the past 40 years!

Corbyn is the only politician that will tackle the grotesque inequalities in today's society. If you think UKIP care about the man on the street you'll be in for a rude awakening.

Just by Corbyn being in opposition for only 10 months he has already dragged the political debate back to where it should be. Blairs Labour had taken the party so far right that we no longer even heard left wing views in parliament!

Thatchers greatest achievement was New Labour... Her words!

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:07 am

wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:Morning Wez, can I just reason a question I asked last night?

Would UKIP renationalise everything so that these "people councils" that they plan to implement, would have something to do? Otherwise, wouldn't it be pretty silly for a group of people to sat around the table drinking tea and eating biscuits, having nothing to do because the stuff they are meant to be debating, is run privately?

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is everything renationalised now ? why would that need to be done less power to Westminster and more locally


I'm just asking a basic question that has failed to be answered by yourself. The reason I ask, would UKIP renationalise services that have been sold off is because, you state about these "people councils", that in my mind would be irrelevant as they will not be able to control anything or have a say about anything anyway, as they will not be under public control. So renationalising services, they will then be under public control.

Seeing as UKIP is the fall back party for a lot of failed Tory politicians, I can't see how these "people councils" would work? I stated yesterday, that councils would become more irrelevant by 2020, due to privatisation. So I ask you again, would UKIP nationalise services that have been sold off?

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:21 am

AfanBluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:Morning Wez, can I just reason a question I asked last night?

Would UKIP renationalise everything so that these "people councils" that they plan to implement, would have something to do? Otherwise, wouldn't it be pretty silly for a group of people to sat around the table drinking tea and eating biscuits, having nothing to do because the stuff they are meant to be debating, is run privately?

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is everything renationalised now ? why would that need to be done less power to Westminster and more locally


I'm just asking a basic question that has failed to be answered by yourself. The reason I ask, would UKIP renationalise services that have been sold off is because, you state about these "people councils", that in my mind would be irrelevant as they will not be able to control anything or have a say about anything anyway, as they will not be under public control. So renationalising services, they will then be under public control.

Seeing as UKIP is the fall back party for a lot of failed Tory politicians, I can't see how these "people councils" would work? I stated yesterday, that councils would become more irrelevant by 2020, due to privatisation. So I ask you again, would UKIP nationalise services that have been sold off?

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I've answered you but it's not getting through to you less power to Westminster and more power locally ,what can't you understand about that renationalising has got bog all to do with it

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:26 am

wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:Morning Wez, can I just reason a question I asked last night?

Would UKIP renationalise everything so that these "people councils" that they plan to implement, would have something to do? Otherwise, wouldn't it be pretty silly for a group of people to sat around the table drinking tea and eating biscuits, having nothing to do because the stuff they are meant to be debating, is run privately?

:thumbright:

is everything renationalised now ? why would that need to be done less power to Westminster and more locally


I'm just asking a basic question that has failed to be answered by yourself. The reason I ask, would UKIP renationalise services that have been sold off is because, you state about these "people councils", that in my mind would be irrelevant as they will not be able to control anything or have a say about anything anyway, as they will not be under public control. So renationalising services, they will then be under public control.

Seeing as UKIP is the fall back party for a lot of failed Tory politicians, I can't see how these "people councils" would work? I stated yesterday, that councils would become more irrelevant by 2020, due to privatisation. So I ask you again, would UKIP nationalise services that have been sold off?

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I've answered you but it's not getting through to you less power to Westminster and more power locally ,what can't you understand about that renationalising has got bog all to do with it


"More power locally"

What does that mean exactly? Would a country of 72million really need a different law in every county?

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:28 am

wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:Morning Wez, can I just reason a question I asked last night?

Would UKIP renationalise everything so that these "people councils" that they plan to implement, would have something to do? Otherwise, wouldn't it be pretty silly for a group of people to sat around the table drinking tea and eating biscuits, having nothing to do because the stuff they are meant to be debating, is run privately?

:thumbright:

is everything renationalised now ? why would that need to be done less power to Westminster and more locally


I'm just asking a basic question that has failed to be answered by yourself. The reason I ask, would UKIP renationalise services that have been sold off is because, you state about these "people councils", that in my mind would be irrelevant as they will not be able to control anything or have a say about anything anyway, as they will not be under public control. So renationalising services, they will then be under public control.

Seeing as UKIP is the fall back party for a lot of failed Tory politicians, I can't see how these "people councils" would work? I stated yesterday, that councils would become more irrelevant by 2020, due to privatisation. So I ask you again, would UKIP nationalise services that have been sold off?

:thumbup:

I've answered you but it's not getting through to you less power to Westminster and more power locally ,what can't you understand about that renationalising has got bog all to do with it


"More power locally"

What does that mean exactly? Would a country of 72million really need a different law in every county?

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:13 am

What do you mean Wez?
More power to the Welsh Assembly or more power to County councils or both?

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:18 pm

spike ferndale wrote:What do you mean Wez?
More power to the Welsh Assembly or more power to County councils or both?

my understanding is that they want larger regional area s where any major issues and law making that effects that area and how taxpayers money is spent goes through the people through more referendums

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:10 pm

It does not matter which party you vote for, nothing changes. As Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild said "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" . These are the people who really control the country, the central bankers. Tony Benn said that when he was part of the Wilson Labour government elected in 1964, he was idealistic and said how they were going to redistribute wealth etc. He said they were summoned by the central bankers in London who told them in no uncertain terms that if they went ahead with their plans they (the bankers) would cripple the country with one stroke of an accountants pen.

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:51 pm

Wez,

What are you are saying ?

Make all politicians redundant and have un-elected regional people's councils rule by referendums?

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:20 pm

spike ferndale wrote:Wez,

What are you are saying ?

Make all politicians redundant and have un-elected regional people's councils rule by referendums?

Not have so many in Westminster and have more accountable ones locally that make real progress locally and are accountable more locally I'm not talking about just councilors who do bugger all I would do away with most of them to only use westminster for national issues I'm not saying that will happen under any party but it makes sense something that is good for cardiff may not be good for mid Wales or south of England,have westminster for things like the eu referendum and major things like that

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:27 pm

So..... A council of locally elected people? So each region will have... An extra council? Even though, Wales as a country can't afford to keep the 22 it already has, UKIP want to add more?

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:35 pm

Wez,

With all due respect, you are not making a lot of sense here.

I follow you as far as having less MP's (fair enough)

Where are you going to next, are you talking about AM's,

New regional assemblies (elected or otherwise)

Referendums for what?

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:40 pm

spike ferndale wrote:Wez,

With all due respect, you are not making a lot of sense here.

I follow you as far as having less MP's (fair enough)

Where are you going to next, are you talking about AM's,

New regional assemblies (elected or otherwise)

Referendums for what?

new regional assembly across the whole UK
also say for instance the new m4 bypass in Newport the local people word vote if they wanted to spend tax payers money on it by having a vote any big project which uses this type of monies should be put to the people but local day south Wales? I'm not saying ukip are wanting to do that but they want more local government which I agree with

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:41 pm

wez1927 wrote:
spike ferndale wrote:Wez,

With all due respect, you are not making a lot of sense here.

I follow you as far as having less MP's (fair enough)

Where are you going to next, are you talking about AM's,

New regional assemblies (elected or otherwise)

Referendums for what?

new regional assembly across the whole UK
also say for instance the new m4 bypass in Newport the local people word vote if they wanted to spend tax payers money on it by having a vote any big project which uses this type of monies should be put to the people but local day south Wales? I'm not saying ukip are wanting to do that but they want more local government which I agree with

also obviously the am or mps or what ever you want to call them would be elected

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:48 pm

spike ferndale wrote:Wez,

With all due respect, you are not making a lot of sense here.

I follow you as far as having less MP's (fair enough)

Where are you going to next, are you talking about AM's,

New regional assemblies (elected or otherwise)

Referendums for what?


from ukip website http://www.ukip.org/about

We believe in the right of the people of the UK to govern ourselves, rather than be governed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (and, increasingly, in London and even your local town hall).

We believe in the minimum necessary government which defends individual freedom, supports those in real need, takes as little of our money as possible and doesn’t interfere in our lives.

We believe in democracy devolved to the people, through national and local referendums on key issues, so that laws are made by the people’s wil

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:52 pm

wez1927 wrote:
spike ferndale wrote:Wez,

With all due respect, you are not making a lot of sense here.

I follow you as far as having less MP's (fair enough)

Where are you going to next, are you talking about AM's,

New regional assemblies (elected or otherwise)

Referendums for what?

new regional assembly across the whole UK
also say for instance the new m4 bypass in Newport the local people word vote if they wanted to spend tax payers money on it by having a vote any big project which uses this type of monies should be put to the people but local day south Wales? I'm not saying ukip are wanting to do that but they want more local government which I agree with


The M4 Newport tunnel doesn't come under Local funding though? As its a national project that links London to West Wales. So even though it's in the Newport area, it comes under the Department of Transport at the Welsh Assembly & Whitehall. A project in Newport (Brynglas Tunnel and Newport Bypass) could effect the future growth of Cardiff, Llanelli or Swansea, and that's why it comes under National spending.

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:55 pm

AfanBluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
spike ferndale wrote:Wez,

With all due respect, you are not making a lot of sense here.

I follow you as far as having less MP's (fair enough)

Where are you going to next, are you talking about AM's,

New regional assemblies (elected or otherwise)

Referendums for what?

new regional assembly across the whole UK
also say for instance the new m4 bypass in Newport the local people word vote if they wanted to spend tax payers money on it by having a vote any big project which uses this type of monies should be put to the people but local day south Wales? I'm not saying ukip are wanting to do that but they want more local government which I agree with


The M4 Newport tunnel doesn't come under Local funding though? As its a national project that links London to West Wales. So even though it's in the Newport area, it comes under the Department of Transport at the Welsh Assembly & Whitehall. A project in Newport (Brynglas Tunnel and Newport Bypass) could effect the future growth of Cardiff, Llanelli or Swansea, and that's why it comes under National spending.

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it does at the moment but It would take a whole change of the way we run government at every level

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:59 pm

we the people should of had votes on key issues like all the treaties in the past about Europe that took our sovereignty away ,replacing trident ,going to war it shouldn't be left just to mps the people should decide just like the eu referendum,the mps tend to forget it's our will they should be serving the majority not the minority

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:08 pm

wez1927 wrote:
AfanBluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
spike ferndale wrote:Wez,

With all due respect, you are not making a lot of sense here.

I follow you as far as having less MP's (fair enough)

Where are you going to next, are you talking about AM's,

New regional assemblies (elected or otherwise)

Referendums for what?

new regional assembly across the whole UK
also say for instance the new m4 bypass in Newport the local people word vote if they wanted to spend tax payers money on it by having a vote any big project which uses this type of monies should be put to the people but local day south Wales? I'm not saying ukip are wanting to do that but they want more local government which I agree with


The M4 Newport tunnel doesn't come under Local funding though? As its a national project that links London to West Wales. So even though it's in the Newport area, it comes under the Department of Transport at the Welsh Assembly & Whitehall. A project in Newport (Brynglas Tunnel and Newport Bypass) could effect the future growth of Cardiff, Llanelli or Swansea, and that's why it comes under National spending.

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it does at the moment but It would take a whole change of the way we run government at every level


Wouldn't these planned referendums take time & money away from the issues that need them the most. If a local referendum to decide if a £500k bridge is to built to connect two villages is going to cost £90k, is it really worth it? Surely that £90k is better spent elsewhere?

We already have locally elected councillors who hold surgeries throughout their constituency every week, and get paid £12900 a year. (Not an awful lot let's by quite honest). so should we get rid of them councillors and replace them? I'm just confused by what UKIP want to implement, because from what I've read... We already have anyway apart from the referendums.

And the reason I did keep the Newport Bypass in my example is because it will never come under local expenditure, because, like I said, it's a decision that effects the major towns and cities of South & West Wales.

Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:15 pm

wez1927 wrote:we the people should of had votes on key issues like all the treaties in the past about Europe that took our sovereignty away ,replacing trident ,going to war it shouldn't be left just to mps the people should decide just like the eu referendum,the mps tend to forget it's our will they should be serving the majority not the minority


But that's democracy Wez? We vote these people in to represent you. I'm not going to get into the EU or Europe as you called it. But every 5 years, you have a vote to remove that person representing you. If enough people feel the same as you, then great. But giving people a referendum on EVERYTHING this country decides to do is a waste of time and money to be quite frank.

If I wasn't already affiliated to a political party (and it's not labour) and was undecided in a general election, you probably would have failed to pursaude me to vote for UKIP. And that's where I do feel your party will struggle in the next elections. For the past 10 years, UKIP have drove the Vote Leave and anti-EU way of life, but now they have nothing to stand for. Independance is in their name, even though we never will be truly independent due to being apart of every worldwide organisation, I think the time is up. And Nigel Farage knew it.

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Re: JEREMY CORBYN IN MERTHYR FRIDAY

Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:15 pm

Well Wez you have just shown your true colours.

You are a closet COMMUNIST lol