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Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:42 pm

darran1927 wrote:
darran1927 wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:I think the head of states but mainly Germany will really show the EU who are THE REAL BOSSES!!

The EU is different from the leaders of the main states who regularly have to win elections, from today they start exerting their authority. The very sensible and powerful German manufacturing unions have already told the German finance ministers to get over there (UK) and sort this out, this will happen because the Germans are the only power.

Contrary to what Jean Clade Junker says I believe this will be a quick amicable deal which we may need to have another referendum to ratify it. I can see access to the single market, no Shengen or freedom of movement but a fast track to UK citizenship for those living here for x amount of years, visa free travel and study......

We'll see, the gloom and doom talk of recession and depression is in the hands of the German government, not the EU. I do trust the Germans to do the right thing.


visa free travel will defeat the reason for many who voted for the leave campaign mate, not sure how they could manage the movement of the dreaded immigrants if that becomes the case...

Norway,Denmark and Sweden are not in the EU but can travel freely through Europe without a Visa as they are part of Europe see no reason why Britain wont have a similar agreement

They also benefit from same medical treatment we get with EHIC , again they are not in EU , they get this because the countries they travel into want their own countries residents to have the same medical care if they were to travel to Norway,Denmark etc. Again see no reason why it wont be similar for UK


Its all the gloom and doomers that are doing my head in.....The Germans know they can not let this turn into a recession as it will hit them very very hard, they export to us $100,307,055,625 worth of goods, they import $51,158,697,462 from us.
The Germans bank roll the EU project, if their finance falters the whole continent falls apart.

Our imports

Germany $100,307,055,625
China $64,147,253,698
United States $58,616,731,981
Netherlands $53,552,199,232
France $43,522,704,456
Belgium $34,027,390,157
Italy $28,451,179,240

Norway $27,675,457,511
Spain $22,037,264,390
Ireland $19,416,882,388


This will be amicable and quick (IMO) Ireland will be a huge worry for the EU, what happens there ?

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:02 pm

Bluebird For Life wrote:
Jock wrote:Murdochs propaganda? Ffs camaron use full weight of gvmnt departments and still lost! Bit dramatic last paragraph :old:


The Times was pro remain :D but it's all Murdochs fault.


and the sun, the express , the telegraph please?[/quote]
Some media outlets backed leave some remain, the BBC who are funded from the public purse were embarrassingly pro remain, it's time this leftwing farce of an organisation was rebuilt from the ground up.

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:02 pm

Over 2 million now; buyer's remorse? Can you take it back if it don't do what it says on the tin?

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:05 pm

Jock wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
Jock wrote:Murdochs propaganda? Ffs camaron use full weight of gvmnt departments and still lost! Bit dramatic last paragraph :old:


The Times was pro remain :D but it's all Murdochs fault.


and the sun, the express , the telegraph please?

Some media outlets backed leave some remain, the BBC who are funded from the public purse were embarrassingly pro remain, it's time this leftwing farce of an organisation was rebuilt from the ground up.[/quote]

I agree

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:13 pm

City Slicker wrote:Over 2 million now; buyer's remorse? Can you take it back if it don't do what it says on the tin?

Yes Great Britain, the Mother of Parliaments, can ignore the will of the majority because some social media fuckwits haven't grasped how a democracy functions. It's not Britians got talent you either vote by post or toddle along to the booth.

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:16 pm

Bluebird For Life wrote:
darran1927 wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:I think the head of states but mainly Germany will really show the EU who are THE REAL BOSSES!!

The EU is different from the leaders of the main states who regularly have to win elections, from today they start exerting their authority. The very sensible and powerful German manufacturing unions have already told the German finance ministers to get over there (UK) and sort this out, this will happen because the Germans are the only power.

Contrary to what Jean Clade Junker says I believe this will be a quick amicable deal which we may need to have another referendum to ratify it. I can see access to the single market, no Shengen or freedom of movement but a fast track to UK citizenship for those living here for x amount of years, visa free travel and study......

We'll see, the gloom and doom talk of recession and depression is in the hands of the German government, not the EU. I do trust the Germans to do the right thing.


visa free travel will defeat the reason for many who voted for the leave campaign mate, not sure how they could manage the movement of the dreaded immigrants if that becomes the case...

Norway,Denmark and Sweden are not in the EU but can travel freely through Europe without a Visa as they are part of Europe see no reason why Britain wont have a similar agreement


Erm - try again mate - Sweden and Denmark are in the EU :shock: :shock: :shock:

Read my post further up I realised my mistake ,I meant Switzerland :roll:

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:03 am

droyal wrote:I bet it will hit 16,141,241 votes... FFS they lost, people should get behind the UK now, and get over it!! :thumbup:

just signed it - now hit over 2.5 million.the young people of this country have been fucked up big time-they voted 70% plus to remain & we`ve fucked up their futures .

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:20 am

neathbluebird wrote:
droyal wrote:I bet it will hit 16,141,241 votes... FFS they lost, people should get behind the UK now, and get over it!! :thumbup:

just signed it - now hit over 2.5 million.the young people of this country have been fucked up big time-they voted 70% plus to remain & we`ve fucked up their futures .



Was not aware that the referendum had been split into age groups when voting? No age was on forms so where the fck as 70% of youngster's (18/25) year old come from??? :o

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:03 am

pembroke allan wrote:
neathbluebird wrote:
droyal wrote:I bet it will hit 16,141,241 votes... FFS they lost, people should get behind the UK now, and get over it!! :thumbup:

just signed it - now hit over 2.5 million.the young people of this country have been fucked up big time-they voted 70% plus to remain & we`ve fucked up their futures .



Was not aware that the referendum had been split into age groups when voting? No age was on forms so where the fck as 70% of youngster's (18/25) year old come from??? :o

Probably from the polls. They were accurate again were'nt they? If it's only 18/25 year olds signing petitions, they obviously have'nt been taught what democracy means yet.

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:51 am

markeMark wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
neathbluebird wrote:
droyal wrote:I bet it will hit 16,141,241 votes... FFS they lost, people should get behind the UK now, and get over it!! :thumbup:

just signed it - now hit over 2.5 million.the young people of this country have been fucked up big time-they voted 70% plus to remain & we`ve fucked up their futures .



Was not aware that the referendum had been split into age groups when voting? No age was on forms so where the fck as 70% of youngster's (18/25) year old come from??? :o

Probably from the polls. They were accurate again were'nt they? If it's only 18/25 year olds signing petitions, they obviously have'nt been taught what democracy means yet.

Nope the petition is pointless , the only way you may see a 2nd Referendum if the totals reach 17,410,742 , stop throwing toys out of a pram and just accept Leave won :!: It's day 3 ffs and the £ is already recovering :roll:

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:08 pm

Second Referendum Petition Was Set Up By Outer
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The petition for a second referendum on EU membership, which has now topped three million supporters, was set up by a leave campaigner a month ago when he thought his side would lose.

Oliver Healey has disclosed that because there was "no guarantee of a leave victory at that time" he set up the petition "with the intention of making it harder for 'remain' to further shackle us to the EU".

In a Facebook post, the English Democrats member said he felt it was time to "clarify my position on the issue even if it looks bad" and stressed that the remain side had "hijacked" the petition on the government website.

He said: "I am genuinely appalled by the behaviour of some of the remain campaign, how they are conducting themselves post-referendum not just with this petition but generally.

"The referendum was fairly funded; democratically endorsed, every vote was weighted equally and I believe this was a true reflection of the mood of the country. To my fellow leavers, now doubting their decision please keep the faith, we will be fine just stick with it."
The number of signatures is now way above the 100,000 needed for it to be considered for debate by MPs.

It says: "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based (on) a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum."

Remain campaigners have staged protests over the weekend as tensions in the country mount between the 48% who voted remain and the 52% who voted leave.

Twitter users have reported dinner party "uninvitations" of people they have discovered voted differently but, more seriously, others have reported racist incidents.

Heaven Crawley tweeted: "This evening my daughter left work in Birmingham and saw a group of lads corner a Muslim girl shouting: 'get out, we voted leave'."

Second Referendum Petition Was Set Up By Outer

Sky News
Sky News
26 June 2016.

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:15 pm

TopCat CCFC wrote:Second Referendum Petition Was Set Up By Outer
More
The petition for a second referendum on EU membership, which has now topped three million supporters, was set up by a leave campaigner a month ago when he thought his side would lose.

Oliver Healey has disclosed that because there was "no guarantee of a leave victory at that time" he set up the petition "with the intention of making it harder for 'remain' to further shackle us to the EU".

In a Facebook post, the English Democrats member said he felt it was time to "clarify my position on the issue even if it looks bad" and stressed that the remain side had "hijacked" the petition on the government website.

He said: "I am genuinely appalled by the behaviour of some of the remain campaign, how they are conducting themselves post-referendum not just with this petition but generally.

"The referendum was fairly funded; democratically endorsed, every vote was weighted equally and I believe this was a true reflection of the mood of the country. To my fellow leavers, now doubting their decision please keep the faith, we will be fine just stick with it."
The number of signatures is now way above the 100,000 needed for it to be considered for debate by MPs.

It says: "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based (on) a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum."

Remain campaigners have staged protests over the weekend as tensions in the country mount between the 48% who voted remain and the 52% who voted leave.

Twitter users have reported dinner party "uninvitations" of people they have discovered voted differently but, more seriously, others have reported racist incidents.

Heaven Crawley tweeted: "This evening my daughter left work in Birmingham and saw a group of lads corner a Muslim girl shouting: 'get out, we voted leave'."

Second Referendum Petition Was Set Up By Outer

Sky News
Sky News
26 June 2016.

the petition commitee are removing fraudalent signatures now they just tweeted. There's signatures from all over the world and there is 37,000 signatures on there from Vatican City which has a population of less than 1000 :lol:

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:51 pm

markeMark wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
neathbluebird wrote:
droyal wrote:I bet it will hit 16,141,241 votes... FFS they lost, people should get behind the UK now, and get over it!! :thumbup:

just signed it - now hit over 2.5 million.the young people of this country have been fucked up big time-they voted 70% plus to remain & we`ve fucked up their futures .



Was not aware that the referendum had been split into age groups when voting? No age was on forms so where the fck as 70% of youngster's (18/25) year old come from??? :o

Probably from the polls. They were accurate again were'nt they? If it's only 18/25 year olds signing petitions, they obviously have'nt been taught what democracy means yet.



Well thought to close to call they said, but asking couple thousand or less of 18/25 yr old what they voted is hardly going to give accurate figure? Where's the poll for older voters? after all old ones we supposed to be pro out!ll sounds load of bollocks and people not able to take defeat in a democratic vote? :old:

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:46 pm

remain voters believe in democracy, so long as the result is one they agree with.

those that added their name to this petition are a disgrace in the way they hold democracy in such contempt. their beloved EU bureaucrats would be proud of their attitude to such a result.

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:36 pm

neathbluebird wrote:
droyal wrote:I bet it will hit 16,141,241 votes... FFS they lost, people should get behind the UK now, and get over it!! :thumbup:

just signed it - now hit over 2.5 million.the young people of this country have been fucked up big time-they voted 70% plus to remain & we`ve fucked up their futures .


How quaint, cheating and lying seems to be a trait of the remain camp ,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36634407

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:44 pm

http://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-brexit-2 ... t-as-real/
Just one boy and his dog then :lol:

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:33 pm

SwampCCFC wrote:remain voters believe in democracy, so long as the result is one they agree with.

those that added their name to this petition are a disgrace in the way they hold democracy in such contempt. their beloved EU bureaucrats would be proud of their attitude to such a result.


this petition was set up by a leaver in anticipation of losing - such contempt for democracy eh :oops: :oops:

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:38 pm

I was REMAIN, but if there is a 2nd referendum and REMAIN win, then there will be another huge petition for the LEAVE group to have a 3rd election.

This just looks silly. REMAIN should have done a better job communicating prior to the referendum.

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:40 pm

Jupiter wrote:I was REMAIN, but if there is a 2nd referendum and REMAIN win, then there will be another huge petition for the LEAVE group to have a 3rd election.

This just looks silly. REMAIN should have done a better job communicating prior to the referendum.


I agree - the leave campaign called every sensible debate scaremongering and those in charge of the remain camp didn't respond at all.

Re: A Petition for a 2nd Referendum hits 1 million

Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:11 am

llan bluebird wrote:
darran1927 wrote:
darran1927 wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:I think the head of states but mainly Germany will really show the EU who are THE REAL BOSSES!!

The EU is different from the leaders of the main states who regularly have to win elections, from today they start exerting their authority. The very sensible and powerful German manufacturing unions have already told the German finance ministers to get over there (UK) and sort this out, this will happen because the Germans are the only power.

Contrary to what Jean Clade Junker says I believe this will be a quick amicable deal which we may need to have another referendum to ratify it. I can see access to the single market, no Shengen or freedom of movement but a fast track to UK citizenship for those living here for x amount of years, visa free travel and study......

We'll see, the gloom and doom talk of recession and depression is in the hands of the German government, not the EU. I do trust the Germans to do the right thing.


visa free travel will defeat the reason for many who voted for the leave campaign mate, not sure how they could manage the movement of the dreaded immigrants if that becomes the case...

Norway,Denmark and Sweden are not in the EU but can travel freely through Europe without a Visa as they are part of Europe see no reason why Britain wont have a similar agreement

They also benefit from same medical treatment we get with EHIC , again they are not in EU , they get this because the countries they travel into want their own countries residents to have the same medical care if they were to travel to Norway,Denmark etc. Again see no reason why it wont be similar for UK


Its all the gloom and doomers that are doing my head in.....The Germans know they can not let this turn into a recession as it will hit them very very hard, they export to us $100,307,055,625 worth of goods, they import $51,158,697,462 from us.
The Germans bank roll the EU project, if their finance falters the whole continent falls apart.

Our imports

Germany $100,307,055,625
China $64,147,253,698
United States $58,616,731,981
Netherlands $53,552,199,232
France $43,522,704,456
Belgium $34,027,390,157
Italy $28,451,179,240

Norway $27,675,457,511
Spain $22,037,264,390
Ireland $19,416,882,388


This will be amicable and quick (IMO) Ireland will be a huge worry for the EU, what happens there ?


A good post!!
I replied on Ireland in another post.

I see two key factors to making Brexit work:
- If Trump wins he is anti-EU, this would help our position in Europe, because we would still be US's entry point politically.
- If BREXIT secure the skills of top level business people to manage the exit negotiations, the exit negotiations mustn't be purely political they must be commercially driven, because all we really want it single market, and educationally sharing across Europe.

As your data shows, if we take the lead aggressively the French and Germans will shit themselves, because they risk the whole EU collapsing. The French and Germans are NOT natural allies.