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Each to their own, but I watched this the other night and it didn't change anything for me. I continue to support the remain campaign.

So you prefer to live in a dictatorship with no freedom what so ever ? Hmmmmm

Nukes, we all have different opinions and all I can say is that I respect your opinions but can not agree with them. Like I said above, don't like to get into political arguments on here. Often goes completely off course and, let's be honest, we're not going to change each other's minds.

Some prefer to debate it on here and I totally respect that

Certainly not going to berate someone for having a different opinion to mine, and I know you don't do that either

No I don't Chief, I have many friends with different views and that is fine by me. I will ask you one question though, Do you believe the EU is democratic ?

Do I belive it's democratic ?? While I have no choice there's elections for meps in this country and others so in terms of that it is democratic. We had very low turn outs in these votes so perhaps we to blame none was interested in voting so giving the green light for less democratic actions. I feel it's no more or less democratic than our goverment. I now feel if we vote to leave it be very little differ net to staying in except a lot of people will lose they jobs and our national security could be compromised.

Also as a though if we did. Leave and 10 years down the line England realise how mcgregor wales costs them then votes to go independent from us we are screwed. Like mentioned above worse than Poland Romania etc. we soon be wish we were in the eu getting they help and support.
So would you rather wales be totally independent of England and eu? As essentially if you want out of eu then you should want out of uk so me can govern our selves?

Just a thought.

No that is where you and me disagree totally. I believe in the Home Nations England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland, But I also totally believe in the United Kingdom. Could Wales Govern themselves ? Who would we have to do that ? Carwyn James who was torn a new arsehole by Farage. Leanne Wood a far left dippy. The thing is many European Countries now have far left governments and look what mess they are in. Germany where Women are no longer safe to go out alone. France where extremism is taking over the Country. Sweden is in trouble. In my view Wales would never survive on its own, Scotland has the North Sea oil as revenue what does Wales have ?
No what we do need is a strong first minister that can wheel and deal with Westminster. But to answer your question to leave the EU is totally different to leaving the UK. I want Britain to be great again as well as Wales.

Each to their own, but I watched this the other night and it didn't change anything for me. I continue to support the remain campaign.

So you prefer to live in a dictatorship with no freedom what so ever ? Hmmmmm

Nukes, we all have different opinions and all I can say is that I respect your opinions but can not agree with them. Like I said above, don't like to get into political arguments on here. Often goes completely off course and, let's be honest, we're not going to change each other's minds.

Some prefer to debate it on here and I totally respect that

Certainly not going to berate someone for having a different opinion to mine, and I know you don't do that either

No I don't Chief, I have many friends with different views and that is fine by me. I will ask you one question though, Do you believe the EU is democratic ?

Do I belive it's democratic ?? While I have no choice there's elections for meps in this country and others so in terms of that it is democratic. We had very low turn outs in these votes so perhaps we to blame none was interested in voting so giving the green light for less democratic actions. I feel it's no more or less democratic than our goverment. I now feel if we vote to leave it be very little differ net to staying in except a lot of people will lose they jobs and our national security could be compromised.

Also as a though if we did. Leave and 10 years down the line England realise how mcgregor wales costs them then votes to go independent from us we are screwed. Like mentioned above worse than Poland Romania etc. we soon be wish we were in the eu getting they help and support.
So would you rather wales be totally independent of England and eu? As essentially if you want out of eu then you should want out of uk so me can govern our selves?

Just a thought.

No that is where you and me disagree totally. I believe in the Home Nations England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland, But I also totally believe in the United Kingdom. Could Wales Govern themselves ? Who would we have to do that ? Carwyn James who was torn a new arsehole by Farage. Leanne Wood a far left dippy. The thing is many European Countries now have far left governments and look what mess they are in. Germany where Women are no longer safe to go out alone. France where extremism is taking over the Country. Sweden is in trouble. In my view Wales would never survive on its own, Scotland has the North Sea oil as revenue what does Wales have ?
No what we do need is a strong first minister that can wheel and deal with Westminster. But to answer your question to leave the EU is totally different to leaving the UK. I want Britain to be great again as well as Wales.

I totally agree with you in that I belive uk should stay as one. But what if ?? Some people who want out of the eu because of the wasted money we pay out to them for what they belive very little return. But it not that big a step to then look at wales and see us as taking a lot more than we offer. I don't think it will ever happen but who knows the future. Wales needs to be in the eu more than England does.

If you have a minute or two this is well worth reading.

Some of my friends and relations have told me they will vote for Brexit in our referendum. At the risk of falling out with them I intend to vote for us to remain in the EU. Here's a bit of pre-EU history to help explain my position.
I grew up in a time of post-war austerity. My country, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, was broke and virtually in ruins. Germans were still "the enemy" in children's games. Bomb sites and abandoned air-raid shelters were our playgrounds. Nine years after the war ended butter, meat and sugar were still rationed. One couldn't buy sweets without coupons issued by the government.
Portugal and Spain were fascist dictatorships. In Spain unauthorised gatherings of more than 3 people were illegal. A military junta later seized power in Greece. Half of Europe was sealed off behind the Iron Curtain. I remember lying in bed at night, in my parents home, and hearing the roar of American warplanes flying overhead on their Cold War missions. We were told that, if the Russians unleashed their missiles, we would get 4 minutes' warning of Armageddon.
In Britain our currency was weak. We had exchange controls. Travellers were allowed to take only £25 sterling out of the country plus a limited amount in foreign currency. On return, any left over had to be sold back to an authorised trader. The details were entered in one's passport. (See photo.)
The UK still had the death penalty despite some obvious and irreversible miscarriages of justice. In France they still executed condemned prisoners by cutting their heads off. In Spain they used strangulation.
The press and the BBC, (there was only the BBC), were not free from government interference and books, films and plays were censored. Women were paid less than men for equivalent work and landlords could turn away black and Irish people with impunity. For private acts of "gross indecency" gay men were sent to prison.
During the 1950s, six similarly devastated European countries were determined that the catastrophe of war between them should never be repeated. They decided to work towards creating a single European economy. The result was never "just a trading agreement" as some detractors now suggest. The Treaty of Rome, signed in 1957, provided for free movement of goods, services, people and capital, with the stated aim of "closer relations between the States".
The UK was invited to participate from the outset, but Prime Minister Attlee rather scornfully declined, thus missing the opportunity to influence the future development of Europe. However, by 1961 it had become obvious that the economies of "the Six", (France, West Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg), were growing faster than ours, so we applied to join. It took 9 years of negotiations, (and 2 vetoes), before terms were agreed. The United Kingdom officially joined the European Communities on 1st January 1973.
In the 1980s many of our skilled workers took advantage of the free movement of people and migrated to West Germany, whose economy had already overtaken ours. These British " migrants" were the inspiration for a popular television series, "Auf Wiedersehen, Pet".
Since 1945 there have been wars in Europe, but none between countries that were members of the European Union. Despite global economic storms, the EU's citizens in 28 independent countries enjoy greater prosperity and greater freedom of movement, freedom from discrimination, freedom from conflict, freedom to trade across borders and freedom of expression than at any time in history.
So far no country has ever applied to leave the EU. There have always been candidates to join but to succeed they must have democracy, the rule of law, a market economy and guarantees for the protection of minorities and human rights. They also need the support of ALL existing members, including us, without which they cannot join. In my opinion it would be a shame if Britain were to turn its back on Europe, give up its voice and influence, and opt for an uncertain future. So...I shall vote IN on 23rd June.

Only a few holes - the death penalty was abolished before Britain joined the EU, I worked in Germany in the 90's and you had to show your passport at the borders, and acquire police and Insurance documents..

As for freedom of movement, it no wonder the Paris terrorists were able to bounce around from country to country - because nobody's checking. A new junta has taken control in Greece against the democratic will of the people - its called the EU.

Greece also joined when their economy failed all the tests required, and the political dream has turned the country into a basket case, ditto for Ireland, Spain, Italy and Portugal. France is also in serious trouble. The prosperity you speak of doesnt appear to have reached Athens yet.

Uncontrolled immigration is causing all sorts of resentment, which most politicians are unwilling to address - unless your'e Gordon Brown or Pat Glass, and the mics are still on.

The only country to win hands down is , youve guessed it - our old friends the Eric's.

The circle has turned - this time without the Mauser.

Only a few holes - the death penalty was abolished before Britain joined the EU, I worked in Germany in the 90's and you had to show your passport at the borders, and acquire police and Insurance documents..

As for freedom of movement, it no wonder the Paris terrorists were able to bounce around from country to country - because nobody's checking. A new junta has taken control in Greece against the democratic will of the people - its called the EU.

Greece also joined when their economy failed all the tests required, and the political dream has turned the country into a basket case, ditto for Ireland, Spain, Italy and Portugal. France is also in serious trouble. The prosperity you speak of doesnt appear to have reached Athens yet.

Uncontrolled immigration is causing all sorts of resentment, which most politicians are unwilling to address - unless your'e Gordon Brown or Pat Glass, and the mics are still on.

The only country to win hands down is , youve guessed it - our old friends the Eric's.

The circle has turned - this time without the Mauser.

Not far wrong about the Germans! That's why don't want us out as they will have to take the cost more and more of the EU countries going broke like Greece, also who else will Brussels ride rough shot over if we left??

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