' Who wants in? and who wants out? '

I'm in.

Slightly worried that Cameron has a very poor argument on it. Sort of think that he wants Corbyn and Labour to do the fight for him.

But when you weigh everything up, we are more secure in the EU. My main reason behind that is trade. You may say nations not in the EU do OK, but you could also make example of nations outside who don't do so well.

I have to admit I wasn't that clued up on this, despite being interested in politics, but having read all the FACTS I am definitely IN.

People need facts to make their minds up, alot of the stuff the eurosceptics like Boris and Farage are giving people is fiction.

Latest odds by the way:

In 3/10
Out 9/4

I'm in Annis

Britain are safer & better off in the EU & leaving would be too much of a risk.

The advantages of remaining in the EU: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security & many others.

And also, what will happen to all the expats living abroad, including you & myself. What would be our future? Would we have a right to live in an EU country?

Before voting OUT think of the risks & consequences of leaving.

Mason spot on

I'm a Plaid Cymru supporter and I'm for staying in, but I won't lie, I have my doubts. The pros outweigh the cons for me, though.

OUT for me.

I also agree the EU is on a par with FIFA.

I'm in Annis

Britain are safer & better off in the EU & leaving would be too much of a risk.

The advantages of remaining in the EU: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security & many others.

And also, what will happen to all the expats living abroad, including you & myself. What would be our future? Would we have a right to live in an EU country?

Before voting OUT think of the risks & consequences of leaving.

Sorry Mason but I don't care what happens to ex pats living abroad, your'e Spains problem now, not ours. Yes you would have a right to live in an EU country, there are plenty of Brits working in the banks in Switzerland and I can count almost 30 friends of mine who have emigrated to Australia and New Zealand. Do you get a vote by the way?

I am out. Don't listen to the scaremongering from the other side, vote with your head. I think we are being held back by the EU, we need to do more trade with out commonwealth partners. India and Nigeria are growing economies and their governments and ours have a strong relationship. Currently we can't trade adequately with these countries to our detriment. I would urge all those who want to leave the EU to stop banging on about immigration and security, it's boring and puts people off. Talk about trade, the economy, sovereignty and democracy.

I'm in Annis

Britain are safer & better off in the EU & leaving would be too much of a risk.

The advantages of remaining in the EU: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security & many others.

And also, what will happen to all the expats living abroad, including you & myself. What would be our future? Would we have a right to live in an EU country?

Before voting OUT think of the risks & consequences of leaving.

Sorry Mason but I don't care what happens to ex pats living abroad, your'e Spains problem now, not ours. Yes you would have a right to live in an EU country, there are plenty of Brits working in the banks in Switzerland and I can count almost 30 friends of mine who have emigrated to Australia and New Zealand. Do you get a vote by the way?

I am out. Don't listen to the scaremongering from the other side, vote with your head. I think we are being held back by the EU, we need to do more trade with out commonwealth partners. India and Nigeria are growing economies and their governments and ours have a strong relationship. Currently we can't trade adequately with these countries to our detriment. I would urge all those who want to leave the EU to stop banging on about immigration and security, it's boring and puts people off. Talk about trade, the economy, sovereignty and democracy.

Don't always agree with you, and don't here, but enjoy your posts. So I have a question - slightly off-topic.

O'Donnell asked this tonight: is there a danger that the EU vote is being turned into a battle between Boris Johnson and George Osborne for the Tory leadership?

Widen that question out to everyone..

We simply don't have enough reliable information to make an informed and balanced decision at this point.

At the moment, its all kneejerk media reactions without a thorough balanced debate - we need and deserve a nationwide specific deep debate of rewards versus real world risks.

Membership of the EU makes sense to me but only our terms. The EU has rather unsurprisingly distorted from its idealistic origins to become yet another layer of government run by career bureaucrats that have zero idea of reality and have eroded the EU premise away in the process. Nobody has any confidence in their policy making or decisions. I don't think anyone even understands what they do or has any confidence in it as it stands.

For me and my children, it's all about us and that's what I want. Look after your own and then look after others when you are in a position to do so. Basics.

The shocking thing is most of us (including me) don't know who our MEP's are, what their stance is or even what they do. These are our representatives on this! However, I do expect a load of bumph through social or the letterbox anytime soon telling me what they've done, what they want and why they should continue to do it. Too much too late. I don't even know what my local AM's stand for to be honest as they don't communicate effectively for the same reason. Your local AM will be making as much less expenses as your local MEP by the way just in case you bump into them.

Overall, I think that Cameron has done well in calling for a referendum but make no mistake, its a populist subject that will continue his parties political and self-career interests for sure so I don't trust him either.

When I look at the four layers of 'government' (Local, Assembly, Westminster, Brussels) that we have and the people involved in the UK, it convinces me that the system is wrong given the clowns that we 'vote in' and are making policy decisions for us.

A business should not be run like a government and a government should not be run like a business. The debate should re-establish the middle-ground where the EU should be and what our involvement (if any) in it.

BTW - Our continued absence from the Euro says it all for me.

It's out for me.
The U.K. pay far more money into the EU than we receive back. Politicians are getting rich on the gravy train that is the EU government. Stupid rules and laws we are made to abide by made by the EU ministers. The poorly thought out idea of having open borders. The fortune spent on politicians moving from Brussels to Strasbourg and then back again time after time. I dread to think of the expenses fiddling that goes on. The supporters of staying in also admitted that wages would rise in the UK if we came out of Europe. As for jobs, we are in the EU at the present time and it has not done the steel workers in Port Talbot any good. Also a lot of the people wanting to stay in wanted us to have the Euro as our currency. What a disaster that would have been. I feel if we stay in we will be ruled more and more by the EU parliament until they have a strangle hold over us.

I'm in Annis

Britain are safer & better off in the EU & leaving would be too much of a risk.

The advantages of remaining in the EU: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security & many others.

And also, what will happen to all the expats living abroad, including you & myself. What would be our future? Would we have a right to live in an EU country?

Before voting OUT think of the risks & consequences of leaving.

Sorry Mason but I don't care what happens to ex pats living abroad, your'e Spains problem now, not ours. Yes you would have a right to live in an EU country, there are plenty of Brits working in the banks in Switzerland and I can count almost 30 friends of mine who have emigrated to Australia and New Zealand. Do you get a vote by the way?

I am out. Don't listen to the scaremongering from the other side, vote with your head. I think we are being held back by the EU, we need to do more trade with out commonwealth partners. India and Nigeria are growing economies and their governments and ours have a strong relationship. Currently we can't trade adequately with these countries to our detriment. I would urge all those who want to leave the EU to stop banging on about immigration and security, it's boring and puts people off. Talk about trade, the economy, sovereignty and democracy.

Don't always agree with you, and don't here, but enjoy your posts. So I have a question - slightly off-topic.

O'Donnell asked this tonight: is there a danger that the EU vote is being turned into a battle between Boris Johnson and George Osborne for the Tory leadership?

Widen that question out to everyone..

Ned, Boris has positioned himself well 'politically' by going against an increasingly devalued Cameron and (in most eyes, even conservative ones) he will do himself more good than harm regardless of the result...

Boris will have a greater opportunity to debate and/or speak against a Cameron (who has openly misled the nation about the real situations with doctors, the police, the fire services, the nurses, the steel workers, etc.) than he would have if he had sided with the 'IN' voters...

Boris is broadly a pro-European but he believes that Cameron could and should have got a better deal than he did when (in reality) the whole future of the United States of Europe (USE) could be influenced by whichever decision the UK makes and IF that vote should be to leave, then I believe it will lead to more countries (including an increasingly Socialist France) deciding to go their own way in the longer term, as they do in reality anyway!

The issue of 'ex-pats' is a valid one, but not a big enough one to decide the overall vote IMHO as the whole thing is so much larger than that!

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I'm in Annis

Britain are safer & better off in the EU & leaving would be too much of a risk.

The advantages of remaining in the EU: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security & many others.

And also, what will happen to all the expats living abroad, including you & myself. What would be our future? Would we have a right to live in an EU country?

Before voting OUT think of the risks & consequences of leaving.

Mason, the EU is crippling the UK

As to trade America, China, Russia, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden etc etc are not in it and they survive very very well.

Your family survive in Mallorca on their own hard earned money, like mine will and Spain needs us, even the Spanish Prime Minister stated that in Frbruary this year

We have to pay to live in Mallorca, they don't had out money for nothing.
What about all the Russians and Chinese they survive well in Mallorca

Sweden & Denmark are both in the EU Annis and Switzerland is affiliated... As for USA they have already said there will be no exclusive trade agreement and if you think Russia will do business with us, you are very deluded after the UK government froze the assets of many of the oligarchs who had accounts here and then we implicated Putin in the poisoning of the secret agent in London and the situation in Ukraine and Syria. I have just been through the visa application and whereas it used to be relatively straight forward it is now a very expensive nightmare that involves finger printing at the visa centre in London- they want as little to do with us as possible. Not quite so rosy for a post EU UK after all based on your post EU trading partners as Chinas markets are in big trouble too...

In for me definitely, seven years is the estimated time scale to sort out all of the de-regulation if we left which would cripple many UK businesses; jobs would go and Wales in particular would suffer as the far right tories leading the out campaign and their mates in UKIP don't give a monkeys about anywhere other than little England. The majority of our road building, hospitals etc. are built with EU money, so for me the pros far outweigh the cons and I really don't like the racist undertones behind many of the arguments for leaving, much of which is just scaremongering and thinly disguised prejudice.

Ooops I meant Sweden and Denmark refused the Euro.

As to Switzerland they've just totally turned down joining the EU.

I never said we will want to trade with Russia, what I said was China,USA and Russia etc are not in the EU and they do very very well.

I honestly do not believe in Camerons scaremongering and it was said that the UK's £ would not survive, well it truly has and Britain can survive by not being in the EU.

The EU, will continue to trade with us,like they do with the other Countries that are not in there and do very well.

totally agree ,does anyone honestly believe that the eu won't do a deal with us ? We are there biggest market ,the USA didn't say they wouldn't do a deal with us they said they would prefer the current eu deal

Wez, 100% they will do a deal with us.

OUT.. the EU worked when it was France, Spain, Germany, Italy, as we lived there, they lived here, and there seemed to be a balance, this freedom of movement rule for the joining Country's where 100,000 of thousands I think in some cases over 1 million, from Country's like Poland, Slovakia, Romania etc, just does not work, because people don't go the other way to balance it up, that's where for me it's madness..

Oh and one other thing, getting 28 or so different Country's to all agree what Britain CAN and CAN'T do is just bull shit, they need us, more than we need them, they sell much more to us, than we do to them. you get the picture....

Switzerland did not vote to go into Europe, they are the richest country in Europe, Norway voted to come out they are the third richest per head in Europe, Germany is the second richest country in Europe, all three do more trade with Europe per head than us, America does more trade with Europe than us, China does more trade than Europe than us.
So who gains the most from Europe by being in the EU why surprise GERMANY, because it is run for them more than anybody,
Do people honestly think that trade levels will fall when we come out, they need us more than we need them.
We take the money we pay into this circus and improve our social services, enducation and living standards.
We cannot any longer have open borders for people to come hear and change our way of life, do people know that there are MEP's who want to take the Queen away from being our head of state and have a President as head of state.
It time to stop the rot and return our decision making to ourselves.

More scare mongering from the gravy train politicions "the UK might have the Callais camp in Britain if we come out of the EU"
Mr President this is an international treaty not an EU one as well you and our Prime Minister know, so don't think we are as stupid as you seem to think we are.

OUT!

I'm in Annis

Britain are safer & better off in the EU & leaving would be too much of a risk.

The advantages of remaining in the EU: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security & many others.

And also, what will happen to all the expats living abroad, including you & myself. What would be our future? Would we have a right to live in an EU country?

Before voting OUT think of the risks & consequences of leaving.

Is this the same security as what happened in Paris last year Bataclan and Charlie Hebdo and yes ex pats do have a right to live in a EU country under the 1961 Vienna convention. The risks are less ,as we can stop people entering the country which we cannot do at the moment because of free movement. What consequences?, we trade more with the rest of the world than we do the EU despite not being able to negotiate our own deals, also we buy more off the EU than they do off us. The EU economy is stagnating and wait till the next round of mass migration picks up and the EU asks for even more money to put in brown envolopes to give to these people arrive.

We can make our own laws, the future will be brighter out of the EU because we will have greater control.

I HAVE GOT A PLACE IN SPAIN...This scaremongering about what will happen to all the brits.....zilch what about all the other countries who have holiday homes ..they are doing quite well...Spain couldn t afford for us not to be spending and putting all the money we do into their economy... what do you think they will do ?????

I am out.... get out and brick up the tunnel protect our borders...The eu admits its borders are crumbling...if the migrant crisis persists it will bring the EU down we will need to get out soomer rather and later and build up our trade treaties like they were before the common market.

I'm in Annis

Britain are safer & better off in the EU & leaving would be too much of a risk.

The advantages of remaining in the EU: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security & many others.

And also, what will happen to all the expats living abroad, including you & myself. What would be our future? Would we have a right to live in an EU country?

Before voting OUT think of the risks & consequences of leaving.

Mason, the EU is crippling the UK

As to trade America, China, Russia, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden etc etc are not in it and they survive very very well.

Your family survive in Mallorca on their own hard earned money, like mine will and Spain needs us, even the Spanish Prime Minister stated that in Frbruary this year

We have to pay to live in Mallorca, they don't had out money for nothing.
What about all the Russians and Chinese they survive well in Mallorca

Annis, we gain far more in trade than we spend on it, the EU is our biggest trading partner, accounting for over half of our trade.

What about Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security? And there are many others.

We are safer & better off in the EU. I will say it again, leaving would be a big risk.

What's your reasons for leaving?

It's all about opinions

It is incorrect to say the EU accounts for over half our trade, it is less than half and decreasing year on year. Trade with the rest of the world is over half and increasing.

we can leave a corrupt europe for a corrupt uk govermnent.. all the same in my eyes.. but i do doubt that wales will benefit from english rule,,better with brussels i think..but being half spanish dont make much difference to me, i can still sell up and leave either way.

its better to be on the inside of such a big market ,where you can still have some say on the matter..on the outside there is no way the uk will have a better deal than those on the inside, the chances are we will still have to pay them just to trade with them,just like norway and sweden and get nothing in return, This country is not has big as some think it is. as for switzerland,,always been a good place to stash hidden cash, but thats changing, hence they are totally controlled by the eu and their rules..

I'm in.

Slightly worried that Cameron has a very poor argument on it. Sort of think that he wants Corbyn and Labour to do the fight for him.

But when you weigh everything up, we are more secure in the EU. My main reason behind that is trade. You may say nations not in the EU do OK, but you could also make example of nations outside who don't do so well.

I have to admit I wasn't that clued up on this, despite being interested in politics, but having read all the FACTS I am definitely IN.

People need facts to make their minds up, alot of the stuff the eurosceptics like Boris and Farage are giving people is fiction.

Latest odds by the way:

In 3/10
Out 9/4

I'm out but strangely I agree with some of the points you make.

Cameron's hopeless renegotiation is so pathetic it is almost insulting. My number one reason for voting no is that I will not endorse that load of bullshit.

You also make a great insight that DC is pegging his hopes on Labour doing the dirty work for him, exactly as he did in the Scottish Independence Referendum. I really wish Labour would throw its all into the no vote on the grounds that the renegotiation is simply not good enough.

Hopefully a no vote will trigger the EU into giving us an even better deal to stay in and that is put to us in a second referendum. The brutal fact is they need us more than we need them. £55m a day is a big hole that will have to be filled by either France or Germany.

Sorry Mason but I don't care what happens to ex pats living abroad, your'e Spains problem now, not ours.

Fair play i skip past some posters as they drivel on. I never do that with you as I love your straight to the point delivery as exampled by the quote above

Tony if we vote out, there will be no better deal to stay in, we will be out, that is what it will be, and the sooner we are out the better. With all the money we will not have to pay the EU, we can buy out the channel company and close the tunnel down and brick it up, job done

Tony if we vote out, there will be no better deal to stay in, we will be out, that is what it will be, and the sooner we are out the better. With all the money we will not have to pay the EU, we can buy out the channel company and close the tunnel down and brick it up, job done

That way there will be jobs for some brickies

It's OUT for me, let's get OUR country back.

Out. The world's best countries are Iceland, Switzerland and Norway and guess what? Their not EU. We'll be fine without them.

Annis.

If Britain leaves the EU, they'll send you back from Majorca as you won't have any rights to live there!

We need to stay in.

Essentially, the only people who want to leave are xenophobic.

Can we have a vote on getting rid of the Welsh Assembly Government next, because that is an even bigger waste of time and money.!

Essentially, the only people who want to leave are xenophobic.

what a complete load of bollocks.

you cant throw everyone under a label just because they disagree with your point of view

I thought joining the Common Market was all about easing trade restrictions and making it easier to do business with Europe. I was'nt aware that we were voting to hand over our law making powers to foreign beauracrats based on the other side of the channel, or that we would no longer be free to deport terrorists, and that we would have to open our borders to every Tom Dick & Harry who wanted to come here. I'll be voting out.

I thought joining the Common Market was all about easing trade restrictions and making it easier to do business with Europe. I was'nt aware that we were voting to hand over our law making powers to foreign beauracrats based on the other side of the channel, or that we would no longer be free to deport terrorists, and that we would have to open our borders to every Tom Dick & Harry who wanted to come here. I'll be voting out.

Steve, you are 100% correct on the origins of 'The Common European Market' but I think there was always a more sinister plan ahead!

Without doubt, there have been enormous benefits to the UK of being a member (I almost said state! ) and some of our employment and welfare Laws may not have happened without our membership

However, the fact remains that the UK's sovereignty has been increasingly undermined and largely trodden on by bureaucrats (including many freeloaders from our own country! ) that think they know better and are pretty intransigent to change themselves; particularly because it may rock their own little Gravy Boat!

Europe will still want to trade with us and (controlled) immigration will still occur. The UK will still be attractive to those seeking a better life because it is a unique country that simply needs to be managed from within its own boundaries/borders