POLL - TIME TO MOVE ON?

Annis is he really spot on?

I'm scratching my head looking at people picking holes in his speech. Bit sad.

Has he done more for us than any chairman
Best question:

Just answer this:
Is he the best person for this club going/foward re his debt to equity?

I can't fault him?
Done and what he said unlike Sam.

L

Luke, I've always said this and I have supported my team/club no matter who the owner/manager/chairman is, my love for the name Cardiff City comes way above them.
Ive never failed to turn up because of bad results/colour etc Ive moaned and stood up to owners/managers etc but my team/club has always come first unlike thousands of others who have just stopped going and made every excuse up.

43 consecutive seasons Ive renewed my season ticket and Ive seen it all,over 2,000 City games from friendlies,reserve games,to cup games Ive watched Cardiff play. Tan was the nearest Ive ever come to walking away,but I stood strong and stood up for our identity and never walked away or moved on like many said to do,who don't go nowadays.

We are all allowed to believe how we feel and should be Respected,like I Respect others beliefs and opinions,thats all Ive got to say on the matter.

I will be at Charlton tomorrow and at Boro on a Tuesday night(my 12th visit) supporting my team,my club

The thing is Annis you have harped on the most about debt to equity, mainly in the belief it would never happen.
So now that it is how does that make things for you? Surely it's the perfect time for bloooobirds to unite and leave the past in the past and finally all start pulling together and for once instead of fans moaning about atmosphere all unite and get the city stadium rocking like we know can be done ( my belief is about time fans did their bit )

Annis is he really spot on?

I'm scratching my head looking at people picking holes in his speech. Bit sad.

Has he done more for us than any chairman
Best question:

Just answer this:
Is he the best person for this club going/foward re his debt to equity?

I can't fault him?
Done and what he said unlike Sam.

L

Luke, I've always said this and I have supported my team/club no matter who the owner/manager/chairman is, my love for the name Cardiff City comes way above them.
Ive never failed to turn up because of bad results/colour etc Ive moaned and stood up to owners/managers etc but my team/club has always come first unlike thousands of others who have just stopped going and made every excuse up.

43 consecutive seasons Ive renewed my season ticket and Ive seen it all,over 2,000 City games from friendlies,reserve games,to cup games Ive watched Cardiff play. Tan was the nearest Ive ever come to walking away,but I stood strong and stood up for our identity and never walked away or moved on like many said to do,who don't go nowadays.

We are all allowed to believe how we feel and should be Respected,like I Respect others beliefs and opinions,thats all Ive got to say on the matter.

I will be at Charlton tomorrow and at Boro on a Tuesday night(my 12th visit) supporting my team,my club

The thing is Annis you have harped on the most about debt to equity, mainly in the belief it would never happen.
So now that it is how does that make things for you? Surely it's the perfect time for bloooobirds to unite and leave the past in the past and finally all start pulling together and for once instead of fans moaning about atmosphere all unite and get the city stadium rocking like we know can be done ( my belief is about time fans did their bit )

This^

The last 5 years the worst? We were in the play offs in blue and a Carlinf Cup final 3 and half years ago?!?

The last 5 years the worst? We were in the play offs in blue and a Carlinf Cup final 3 and half years ago?!?

Last 5 years been the most successful for over 60 years the facts don't lie

No from me.

What you have to remember is this is a man who ripped apart and divided our fanbase. There are thousands of fans who haven't watched Cardiff City since May 2012 because of his decisions - that's nearly four years. Maybe he was given bad advice, but ultimately it was his decision.

He also continues to blame other people. If you look at what he said yesterday, whenever he admits mistakes he goes on to blame someone else for it - the people who advised him, Malky, Ole, people who have worked at the club. After everything, he still fails to accept responsibly.

Don't get me wrong, what has happened this week is fantastic and a massive lift for the entire club. But it is only what he promised when he put all this money in.

I won't forgive and forget and I am shocked how little it has taken for some fans to forgive him. Remember some accepted the rebrand because of the money that was put in, and now they're doing it all over again.

So no, I won't forgive him.

I will also be at Charlton and Boro supporting the players and the manager, and I really hope that we can suprise even ourselves in the run-in to the end of the season

you wanted blue back we got it.
We all wanted debt to equity , we are getting that also.

So what now we mull over what happened before for the next ten years

We have to move on what was promised has happened in the end.

My opinion is that I can not move on, that's just me but it seems others feel different and we're all entitled to our opinions

Annis is he really spot on?

I'm scratching my head looking at people picking holes in his speech. Bit sad.

Has he done more for us than any chairman
Best question:

Just answer this:
Is he the best person for this club going/foward re his debt to equity?

I can't fault him?
Done and what he said unlike Sam.

L

Luke, I've always said this and I have supported my team/club no matter who the owner/manager/chairman is, my love for the name Cardiff City comes way above them.
Ive never failed to turn up because of bad results/colour etc Ive moaned and stood up to owners/managers etc but my team/club has always come first unlike thousands of others who have just stopped going and made every excuse up.

43 consecutive seasons Ive renewed my season ticket and Ive seen it all,over 2,000 City games from friendlies,reserve games,to cup games Ive watched Cardiff play. Tan was the nearest Ive ever come to walking away,but I stood strong and stood up for our identity and never walked away or moved on like many said to do,who don't go nowadays.

We are all allowed to believe how we feel and should be Respected,like I Respect others beliefs and opinions,thats all Ive got to say on the matter.

I will be at Charlton tomorrow and at Boro on a Tuesday night(my 12th visit) supporting my team,my club

The thing is Annis you have harped on the most about debt to equity, mainly in the belief it would never happen.
So now that it is how does that make things for you? Surely it's the perfect time for bloooobirds to unite and leave the past in the past and finally all start pulling together and for once instead of fans moaning about atmosphere all unite and get the city stadium rocking like we know can be done ( my belief is about time fans did their bit )

Tan's been there six years and said 5 years ago that he would make our club debt free,now its another 5 years,so in total its 10 years.
I honestly am fed up of all this,so Ive stayed out of it.

As to unite, Im there every week cheering them on, how about having ago at the fans who are not there? ? ? ? ?

As Ive said, I am allowed my beliefs/opinions and was told to move on regarding the Rebrand,its up to me in life to make my own mind up,not for others to tell me too.

I don't ever tell other fans to move on.

Remember,I Never deserted the club, start having ago at the fans who did

No from me.

What you have to remember is this is a man who ripped apart and divided our fanbase. There are thousands of fans who haven't watched Cardiff City since May 2012 because of his decisions - that's nearly four years. Maybe he was given bad advice, but ultimately it was his decision.

He also continues to blame other people. If you look at what he said yesterday, whenever he admits mistakes he goes on to blame someone else for it - the people who advised him, Malky, Ole, people who have worked at the club. After everything, he still fails to accept responsibly.

Don't get me wrong, what has happened this week is fantastic and a massive lift for the entire club. But it is only what he promised when he put all this money in.

I won't forgive and forget and I am shocked how little it has taken for some fans to forgive him. Remember some accepted the rebrand because of the money that was put in, and now they're doing it all over again.

So no, I won't forgive him.

I will also be at Charlton and Boro supporting the players and the manager, and I really hope that we can suprise even ourselves in the run-in to the end of the season

you wanted blue back we got it.
We all wanted debt to equity , we are getting that also.

So what now we mull over what happened before for the next ten years

We have to move on what was promised has happened in the end.

My opinion is that I can not move on, that's just me but it seems others feel different and we're all entitled to our opinions

Agreed we all have different opinions. Keep mulling over what happened for the next ten years then.

This should remain there all weekend imo as a sticky

Of all the polls that have been done on this foroum this is the most important
All pull in the same direction and move on together
If not you may wake up one morning and there will be No Cardiff City fc

Of all the polls that have been done on this foroum this is the most important
All pull in the same direction and move on together

Here here Geraldino

Yes move on we all make mistakes! Tan has put his money where is mouth is.

What is shocking me most about those who still won't 'move on' is the excuses they are dragging up to still slag Tan off. "Debt to equity will take 10 years" "Tan blames others" "Shocked at how LITTLE (£100M+!!!) it has taken to change peoples minds" "Built a white elephant in the Ninian Stand" and the classic "Where's the training ground?"

Also it amazes me when posters claim "I'm entitled to an opinion" but then slate Tan for his opinion on previous managers.

It is my 'opinion' that when the "I'm entitled to my opinion card" is played the poster already knows they are wrong but just can't bring themselves to say it. It could be argued that Tan is guilty of this but so are some supporters who refuse to acknowledge his generosity and how honourable he has been in making good on promises and mistakes.

We all get things wrong I did as a reluctant red. However I accepted that rather than live in denial. May be some of the bitter 10% should think again about their attitude and whether it is justified or even if they could potentially harm CCFC by refusing to do so.

This should remain there all weekend imo as a sticky

Are you crazy? People moan enough about the amount of stickys

Of all the polls that have been done on this foroum this is the most important
All pull in the same direction and move on together
If not you may wake up one morning and there will be No Cardiff City fc

That's a bit dramatic.
It seems that those that have forgiven and forgotten are the ones with the issues and those of us who can't, just get on with supporting the team. Because for me that's what's important.
I don't give a shite if the guy sat next to me loves Tan or hates him, the fact that he's there supporting the team is what matters most.

What is shocking me most about those who still won't 'move on' is the excuses they are dragging up to still slag Tan off. "Debt to equity will take 10 years" "Tan blames others" "Shocked at how LITTLE (£100M+!!!) it has taken to change peoples minds" "Built a white elephant in the Ninian Stand" and the classic "Where's the training ground?"

Also it amazes me when posters claim "I'm entitled to an opinion" but then slate Tan for his opinion on previous managers.

It is my 'opinion' that when the "I'm entitled to my opinion card" is played the poster already knows they are wrong but just can't bring themselves to say it. It could be argued that Tan is guilty of this but so are some supporters who refuse to acknowledge his generosity and how honourable he has been in making good on promises and mistakes.

We all get things wrong I did as a reluctant red. However I accepted that rather than live in denial. May be some of the bitter 10% should think again about their attitude and whether it is justified or even if they could potentially harm CCFC by refusing to do so.

But do some in their heart of hearts put the Club first or is it really all about 'me'?

Of all the polls that have been done on this foroum this is the most important
All pull in the same direction and move on together
If not you may wake up one morning and there will be No Cardiff City fc

That's a bit dramatic.
It seems that those that have forgiven and forgotten are the ones with the issues and those of us who can't, just get on with supporting the team. Because for me that's what's important.
I don't give a shite if the guy sat next to me loves Tan or hates him, the fact that he's there supporting the team is what matters most.

How can those who have "forgiven and forgotten" have issues? Isn't that a contradiction?

Of all the polls that have been done on this foroum this is the most important
All pull in the same direction and move on together
If not you may wake up one morning and there will be No Cardiff City fc

That's a bit dramatic.
It seems that those that have forgiven and forgotten are the ones with the issues and those of us who can't, just get on with supporting the team. Because for me that's what's important.
I don't give a shite if the guy sat next to me loves Tan or hates him, the fact that he's there supporting the team is what matters most.

How can those who have "forgiven and forgotten" have issues? Isn't that a contradiction?

It seems to me that you have issues with those that can't forgive and forget.

This should remain there all weekend imo as a sticky

Are you crazy? People moan enough about the amount of stickys

This is worth a sticky though compared to some of the bashing that gets put up there or stickys about other clubs and players moving about this is the best news in years yet it got moved after taken off a sticky last night for some reason now its back on because I moaned about it

90%

Funny how this thread gets unstickied after a day, but posts selling books, news about other clubs or negative posts about our club seem be stickied for ages.

This is the most relevant thread that is on here imo. Asking the supporters/forum users a simple question. It's good to see how others are feeling.

People are still voting and commenting so why try and hide it?

Is it true this board only favours negative posts?

I am proud that our owner took on Langston, proud that he had the guts to say he was wrong, any anyone that does not agree with supporting our club should do the right thing and stay away or walk away, we don't need you, new fans Will come to watch the city you mark my words. No one has the right to say this club is theirs, it belongs to the heart of the people that truly love it, warts and all. Stop being Un-American lol! Be pro city and that means support ALL who contribute, owner, staff, mascot, stewards, fans, cops, tea lady, St John's ambulance, um, yes and the poor souls that have passed away loving the city!!!

Of all the polls that have been done on this foroum this is the most important
All pull in the same direction and move on together
If not you may wake up one morning and there will be No Cardiff City fc

That's a bit dramatic.
It seems that those that have forgiven and forgotten are the ones with the issues and those of us who can't, just get on with supporting the team. Because for me that's what's important.
I don't give a shite if the guy sat next to me loves Tan or hates him, the fact that he's there supporting the team is what matters most.

How can those who have "forgiven and forgotten" have issues? Isn't that a contradiction?

It seems to me that you have issues with those that can't forgive and forget.

"Seems to me" your wrong.

Of all the polls that have been done on this foroum this is the most important
All pull in the same direction and move on together
If not you may wake up one morning and there will be No Cardiff City fc

That's a bit dramatic.
It seems that those that have forgiven and forgotten are the ones with the issues and those of us who can't, just get on with supporting the team. Because for me that's what's important.
I don't give a shite if the guy sat next to me loves Tan or hates him, the fact that he's there supporting the team is what matters most.

How can those who have "forgiven and forgotten" have issues? Isn't that a contradiction?

It seems to me that you have issues with those that can't forgive and forget.

"Seems to me" your wrong.

It seems to me tony that Penyfai Blue has not had a good read at your post and just replied

88% is absolutely massive.

It looks like just about everyone is ready to give Tan another chance.

I've supported City for 40 years and am a season ticket holder and will renew next year because for me supporting the team is the most important part of being a fan no matter who the owner is or what style of football we are playing.

So as far as I see it, it's not me who needs to "move on" but Tan himself and stop blaming others for his own failures.
Yes Thursday news was great for Cardiff City but he's basically only rectified his own f@@k ups and finally done what he promised 5 years ago, and I know it's because of the Langston situation that it wasn't done earlier but everyone is acting as if its a miracle.

Get a grip people and remember what the last 5 years has been like under his control. The worst in my 40 years.

I 100% agree with the above statement

Move on with supporting the club? YES
Forget who split the fanbase and hurt the feelings of many loyal City fans? NO

88% is absolutely massive.

It looks like just about everyone is ready to give Tan another chance.

86% now, if tan does what he's said he would then there's no reason why 86% wouldn't move on. Although we have had promises before

No from me.

What you have to remember is this is a man who ripped apart and divided our fanbase. There are thousands of fans who haven't watched Cardiff City since May 2012 because of his decisions - that's nearly four years. Maybe he was given bad advice, but ultimately it was his decision.

He also continues to blame other people. If you look at what he said yesterday, whenever he admits mistakes he goes on to blame someone else for it - the people who advised him, Malky, Ole, people who have worked at the club. After everything, he still fails to accept responsibly.

Don't get me wrong, what has happened this week is fantastic and a massive lift for the entire club. But it is only what he promised when he put all this money in.

I won't forgive and forget and I am shocked how little it has taken for some fans to forgive him. Remember some accepted the rebrand because of the money that was put in, and now they're doing it all over again.

So no, I won't forgive him.

I will also be at Charlton and Boro supporting the players and the manager, and I really hope that we can suprise even ourselves in the run-in to the end of the season

Good post and the part I've highlighted in bold is exactly what I said in Rydog's "Tan - what a man!" thread.

The majority of our fans have already shown that as long as Tan puts money into our club, they will allow him to do pretty much anything he likes. I hoped we would have all learnt, but as the poll shows, obviously not!

I will never trust Tan after what he did to our club and I worry what long term motive Tan might have now he's once again "bought" the majority of our fans.

No from me.

What you have to remember is this is a man who ripped apart and divided our fanbase. There are thousands of fans who haven't watched Cardiff City since May 2012 because of his decisions - that's nearly four years. Maybe he was given bad advice, but ultimately it was his decision.

He also continues to blame other people. If you look at what he said yesterday, whenever he admits mistakes he goes on to blame someone else for it - the people who advised him, Malky, Ole, people who have worked at the club. After everything, he still fails to accept responsibly.

Don't get me wrong, what has happened this week is fantastic and a massive lift for the entire club. But it is only what he promised when he put all this money in.

I won't forgive and forget and I am shocked how little it has taken for some fans to forgive him. Remember some accepted the rebrand because of the money that was put in, and now they're doing it all over again.

So no, I won't forgive him.

I will also be at Charlton and Boro supporting the players and the manager, and I really hope that we can suprise even ourselves in the run-in to the end of the season

Good post and the part I've highlighted in bold is exactly what I said in Rydog's "Tan - what a man!" thread.

The majority of our fans have already shown that as long as Tan puts money into our club, they will allow him to do pretty much anything he likes. I hoped we would have all learnt, but as the poll shows, obviously not!

I will never trust Tan after what he did to our club and I worry what long term motive Tan might have now he's once again "bought" the majority of our fans.

I agree with you which must be a first. I've had years of City owners/chairmen etc. saying things that fans want to hear. Usually, that's about as far as it goes. Never believed much of the crap that Sam came out with, and I'll believe this if and when it happens. I think these club owners must take lessons off politicians in how to build up hopes and then walk away having taken the public for suckers. Be interesting to see if a five year plan actually works, never does with governments.

The Welsh national team is a testament to what can happen if the team and fans are united.

I believe that if any fan wants Cardiff to go forward and succeed, there can be no more snipes at Tan, Slade or the Club - its time to put that aside and focus on the positives.

There was never any quick fix for the damage done, but Tans recent announcement could be the cog which sets things in motion to get our club back. We always say that without fans there is no football - its time to make our weight count and purely back the team and the club for the rest of the season - I think we will all see a marked difference in our experience down the city.

Time to keep the past in the past.