" SURELY NO MORE BLAME & HAD ENOUGH TIME "

But at least we got our colour back.I bet the Hull fans are now saying if we piss our owner off we'll end up like Cardiff City.


Seems the ones that shouted loudest over the rebrand least like the taste of our medicine.Never mind,when Tan goes we can always ask our lebanese friend to lend us some money again.

Lend it, waste it, take it back out and then want all of it back.

How anyone can support Sam I don't know

Because he made friends and made people feel important here.

The man is a disgrace plain and simple

Hit nail on the head!

But at least we got our colour back.I bet the Hull fans are now saying if we piss our owner off we'll end up like Cardiff City.


Seems the ones that shouted loudest over the rebrand least like the taste of our medicine.Never mind,when Tan goes we can always ask our lebanese friend to lend us some money again.

Lend it, waste it, take it back out and then want all of it back.

How anyone can support Sam I don't know

Because he made friends and made people feel important here.

The man is a disgrace plain and simple

Hit nail on the head!

Tend to agree that Sam made a few feel important. However most of them saw the light in the end and turned Sam invitation down to join him in the directors box.

Funny, this Topic was about the current Regime, but as the usual suspects could not debate it properly and never had the answers,they turned in to another topic, you could not make it up

Funny, this Topic was about the current Regime, but as the usual suspects could not debate it properly and never had the answers,they turned in to another topic, you could not make it up

Not long up enjoyed my wine last night after the win.

IMO VT has made a cluster f*** of owning and running the club. It's been more of a soap opera than run as a business.

Where it goes from here no one knows and I am afraid VT doesn't either

Funny, this Topic was about the current Regime, but as the usual suspects could not debate it properly and never had the answers,they turned in to another topic, you could not make it up

The topic itself is flawed as past 6yrs have been a big load of mistakes? Every man and his dog knows that! Only now is tan looking to correct financial mistakes of the past!
Not sure what the point is you are making?

Funny, this Topic was about the current Regime, but as the usual suspects could not debate it properly and never had the answers,they turned in to another topic, you could not make it up

The topic itself is flawed as past 6yrs have been a big load of mistakes? Every man and his dog knows that! Only now is tan looking to correct financial mistakes of the past!
Not sure what the point is you are making?

Could say the last 15 years there have been bug financial mistake

Here's a thought...

I was a member of the junior bluebirds when Rick Wright gave us control of the club (remember that) and don't recall anyone telling me different so surely me and the rest of the junior bluebirds form the early nineties are owed some sort of compensation from Kumar, Hamman, Ridsdale and Tan (and maybe someone else in between The Kumars and Hamman -can't remember to be honest as that was around the time I discovered girls and drinking) for the mismanagement of my club that was donated to me and the other junior bluebirds (of which there could only have been a few hundred as that was in the basement days and the family stand must have been empty because everyone was stood on the bob bank in the rain against Rotherham) by St Rick of Barry.

Anyone know who I should send an email to asking for a payoff?

Funny, this Topic was about the current Regime, but as the usual suspects could not debate it properly and never had the answers,they turned in to another topic, you could not make it up

You can't bring one up without the other Annis.

Sam being 30m in debt is like Tan being a billion pound in debt.

In our history as a club, Tan will go down as our most hated owner ever, and that's going some

Wow- Don't reply to this thread if you don't agree with me......

All Tan has done is give those who dislike what football has become an excuse. It was only 6 years ago the "battle" at Chelsea occurred, but in all honesty it was a lifetime ago, the last hoorah of the remnants of our hooligan past.

Lets look at the attendances, it hasn't changed since Sam left, even though the soul has been kicked or ripped out of us. What has changed is the type of fan.

During the last six years i have seen a world class player in his prime pull on a city shirt if only for a season. I saw the modern ground full.
We haven't been to court because of the tax man, and i haven't seen another black Friday, where the city captain who we bought for a million is shoved in a helicopter with tears in his eyes and sold for £400K.
The rebrand was a disaster, yes it tore the fan base into pieces, but its gone like black Friday into the history books.

If it wasn't for this forum I doubt Vinny would ever be on my mind. I doubt DJ wanted to see the Kav leave but he wasn't consulted, so Mason who we bought for £250K going for £3.5 million for non footballing reasons is fine with me.

We were 1.5 million in debt when Sam took over and 37m when he left. He increased our debt 25 fold.

Vinny has increased our debt approx 5 fold and does have the personal wealth to cover the losses should he so wish.

Sam didn't. Hence Black Friday.

I would also credit the Riddler for the new stadium and not Sam.

What gets forgotten by the OP is the fact when tan took over this club was hemmoraging £2m plus a month and even if he had walked away after the playoff defeat we would continued to have lost that money as we were even then living way beyond or means, the riddler had robbed Peter to Pay paul continuously so when tan decided to stay on he had to sink £2m a month in continuously to service old debt and keep our club from folding ive no doubt in my mind we would have folded up long before now without someone like tan to have kept us afloat through arguably the toughest financial time in our history end of the day we were losing £24m a season from the riddlers big mismanagement of the club

It took tan two years and a lot of money to get some control over the club finance wise we then get the rebrand offer (his big mistake) but his even bigger mistake was investing so heavily premier league season and the season after I've no doubt had we been prudent those two seasons we'd be in a much better situation this year than we are

Criticise tan for some of the debt yes but be honest that the first two seasons he had no choice but to plough almost £50m in without seeing any real benefit to it riddler had already spent season ticket sales winding up orders impending and still owing langstone almost £30m

Not sure what tan could have done differently first two years??

If the figures banded about for last years account ms and the debt only stands at £120m then we aren't much worse off than after those first two years of his reign anyway even after the huge failings in premier league and seasons after

What everyone is not being honest about is that Tan has run our club for 6 years and has got us in a worse mess than when he arrived, surely after 6 years we should now be debt free as promised by Vincent Tan himself?

If anyone can say that whoever took over when tan did wouldn't have increased the debt by almost £50m in two years due to the clubs perilous financial situation then I'd like to see how that would have been possible

Carl has written on it many times in the past £2m a month the figure banded about on numerous occasions

Wouldn't have mattered who took over or what they did fact was we'd have still lost £50m over two seasons add that to debt when he took over est £60m then we were over £100m in debt then roughly

We won't be in much different position at the accounts for 2014 when they are published if the figures banded about are correct

Also getting the books balanced going into next season which it looks the club are doing will make a massive difference to the clubs future so if that means more mediocre mid table football then fine by me

What everyone is not being honest about is that Tan has run our club for 6 years and has got us in a worse mess than when he arrived, surely after 6 years we should now be debt free as promised by Vincent Tan himself?

He said debt free in exchange for the rebrand which the fans leaders agreed to. All except Dave Sugarman.

Here's a thought...

I was a member of the junior bluebirds when Rick Wright gave us control of the club (remember that) and don't recall anyone telling me different so surely me and the rest of the junior bluebirds form the early nineties are owed some sort of compensation from Kumar, Hamman, Ridsdale and Tan (and maybe someone else in between The Kumars and Hamman -can't remember to be honest as that was around the time I discovered girls and drinking) for the mismanagement of my club that was donated to me and the other junior bluebirds (of which there could only have been a few hundred as that was in the basement days and the family stand must have been empty because everyone was stood on the bob bank in the rain against Rotherham) by St Rick of Barry.

Anyone know who I should send an email to asking for a payoff?

My kids have still got the letter saying they are now owners of the club !

What everyone is not being honest about is that Tan has run our club for 6 years and has got us in a worse mess than when he arrived, surely after 6 years we should now be debt free as promised by Vincent Tan himself?

What would you have done then when the club was losing £2m a month?

He's made mistakes of course I've just said that but even without that would we have decreased clubs debt by now? Not a chance IMO

Funny, this Topic was about the current Regime, but as the usual suspects could not debate it properly and never had the answers,they turned in to another topic, you could not make it up

The trouble is if you post something on this subject people have no choice but to compare with previous owners and, simply, compared to them VT (nutter he might be) ain't much worse than what we've had before.

The main point is that you can't just have a pop at an owner like you can a player because we/the club have no choice until someone comes in with £100m+ to buy us. That just will not happen however much we moan so we may as well concentrate on the team because any hope that VT is going anywhere is, frankly, fantasy unless you know of someone willing to spend serious money on a Championship club.

What everyone is not being honest about is that Tan has run our club for 6 years and has got us in a worse mess than when he arrived, surely after 6 years we should now be debt free as promised by Vincent Tan himself?

Was t this part of the rebrand agreement? Which we didn't keep our end of, surely we can't expect us to back out but the other half to keep they word??

I firmly belive if we kept to the rebrand we be mid table prem league at least. And debt free. But we not we mid table champ and in blue and that's what a lot of people on here wanted more than anything else to be blue and not bothered about which league we in.
Which I find odd because when we were blue no hint of red we were just as unhappy and wanting to be higher up than we were. No one seemed content then than being blue was all that mattered.

Just my view may have people diagree and may have people agree.
But moving forward I think we should all unite let bygones be bygones support each other and be a club all pulling in the same direction. We can't change what already happen no matter how many times we post about it.
We back in blue I'm happy we pretty much where we were 5 years ago so let's make the most of it.

Bluebird forever.

The Debt to equity was promised with in months,the Rebrand lasted nearly 2 years.

The Facts are Tan has run our club for 6 years and we are in a terrible state.

Other than the few on here who continually stick up for Tan, the majority of City fans do not support Tan.
His 12,500 Glory hunters where are they now?

And please someone explain why " SIX YEARS " Later we are still in a mess under this Regime?

The Debt to equity was promised with in months,the Rebrand lasted nearly 2 years.

The Facts are Tan has run our club for 6 years and we are in a terrible state.

Other than the few on here who continually stick up for Tan, the majority of City fans do not support Tan.
His 12,500 Glory hunters where are they now?

And please someone explain why " SIX YEARS " Later we are still in a mess under this Regime?

I wish I could, views have been offered on this thread so who knows it is what it is. Why can't we move on in positive way??

There are a lot more than 12,500 glory boys. I think from the days when we were in div 4. But that football it happen in every club the higher and better you get the more people interested. Applies for pretty much every thing in life and 100% of the time in sports. Trick is to keep the upward trend or at least maintain a high standard.
I have a sneaky feeling we be in the prem next season.

The Debt to equity was promised with in months,the Rebrand lasted nearly 2 years.

The Facts are Tan has run our club for 6 years and we are in a terrible state.

Other than the few on here who continually stick up for Tan, the majority of City fans do not support Tan.
His 12,500 Glory hunters where are they now?

And please someone explain why " SIX YEARS " Later we are still in a mess under this Regime?

I wish I could, views have been offered on this thread so who knows it is what it is. Why can't we move on in positive way??

There are a lot more than 12,500 glory boys. I think from the days when we were in div 4. But that football it happen in every club the higher and better you get the more people interested. Applies for pretty much every thing in life and 100% of the time in sports. Trick is to keep the upward trend or at least maintain a high standard.
I have a sneaky feeling we be in the prem next season.

I 100% will move on a positive way once our club is debt free as promised Don't you want the same?


When I watch my team, I am always positive and sang my heart out yesterday away at Huddersfield

The Debt to equity was promised with in months,the Rebrand lasted nearly 2 years.

The Facts are Tan has run our club for 6 years and we are in a terrible state.

Other than the few on here who continually stick up for Tan, the majority of City fans do not support Tan.
His 12,500 Glory hunters where are they now?

And please someone explain why " SIX YEARS " Later we are still in a mess under this Regime?

I have tried but you haven't looked or listened

You can't just get £50m of debt created by someone else to disappear or make profit when the club you purchase is losing £2m a month

The Debt to equity was promised with in months,the Rebrand lasted nearly 2 years.

The Facts are Tan has run our club for 6 years and we are in a terrible state.

Other than the few on here who continually stick up for Tan, the majority of City fans do not support Tan.
His 12,500 Glory hunters where are they now?

And please someone explain why " SIX YEARS " Later we are still in a mess under this Regime?

I have tried but you haven't looked or listened

You can't just get £50m of debt created by someone else to disappear or make profit when the club you purchase is losing £2m a month

Sorry there were so many replies, I have not read them all yet.

I agree, you can't make it disappear over night, but we are talking about " SIX " years later Ive run businesses on a smaller scale,that were losing £10,000 a week and within 18 months,Ive left them and they were making net profit £6,000 a week.
Surely after " SIX " years Tan should have turned our club around? But instead it was losing more money than when he first arrived

The Debt to equity was promised with in months,the Rebrand lasted nearly 2 years.

The Facts are Tan has run our club for 6 years and we are in a terrible state.

Other than the few on here who continually stick up for Tan, the majority of City fans do not support Tan.
His 12,500 Glory hunters where are they now?

And please someone explain why " SIX YEARS " Later we are still in a mess under this Regime?

I wish I could, views have been offered on this thread so who knows it is what it is. Why can't we move on in positive way??

There are a lot more than 12,500 glory boys. I think from the days when we were in div 4. But that football it happen in every club the higher and better you get the more people interested. Applies for pretty much every thing in life and 100% of the time in sports. Trick is to keep the upward trend or at least maintain a high standard.
I have a sneaky feeling we be in the prem next season.

I 100% will move on a positive way once our club is debt free as promised Don't you want the same?


When I watch my team, I am always positive and sang my heart out yesterday away at Huddersfield

I would want nothing more.
But unfortunately it's not going to happen over night
Bet let's hope things are turning that way now albeit very slowly.

Bluebirds.

What everyone is not being honest about is that Tan has run our club for 6 years and has got us in a worse mess than when he arrived, surely after 6 years we should now be debt free as promised by Vincent Tan himself?

He said debt free in exchange for the rebrand which the fans leaders agreed to. All except Dave Sugarman.

Chris, I 100% never agreed and nor did 3 others.

But he had his Rebrand for 2 years, Debt Free was promised by Tan that it would happen with in months and it never.

The Debt to equity was promised with in months,the Rebrand lasted nearly 2 years.

The Facts are Tan has run our club for 6 years and we are in a terrible state.

Other than the few on here who continually stick up for Tan, the majority of City fans do not support Tan.
His 12,500 Glory hunters where are they now?

And please someone explain why " SIX YEARS " Later we are still in a mess under this Regime?

I wish I could, views have been offered on this thread so who knows it is what it is. Why can't we move on in positive way??

There are a lot more than 12,500 glory boys. I think from the days when we were in div 4. But that football it happen in every club the higher and better you get the more people interested. Applies for pretty much every thing in life and 100% of the time in sports. Trick is to keep the upward trend or at least maintain a high standard.
I have a sneaky feeling we be in the prem next season.

I 100% will move on a positive way once our club is debt free as promised Don't you want the same?


When I watch my team, I am always positive and sang my heart out yesterday away at Huddersfield

I would want nothing more.
But unfortunately it's not going to happen over night
Bet let's hope things are turning that way now albeit very slowly.

Bluebirds.

I really hope so and like you I'm still supporting the City, but it just seems a very very long wait Six years.

Time to move on Annis most of the people who hated the re-brand have and just want to support the club ,tan has increased the debt by his 100 million investment he said he would provide us with also he has written off large amount s of cash and also partly converted debt to equity I have no doubt that he will make us profitable

What everyone is not being honest about is that Tan has run our club for 6 years and has got us in a worse mess than when he arrived, surely after 6 years we should now be debt free as promised by Vincent Tan himself?

He said debt free in exchange for the rebrand which the fans leaders agreed to. All except Dave Sugarman.

Chris, I 100% never agreed and nor did 3 others.

But he had his Rebrand for 2 years, Debt Free was promised by Tan that it would happen with in months and it never.

Annis at the time you and Carl come back on the forum after the meeting held when he threatened to walk and asked everyone to calm down. Not blaming you as I don't know the circumstances of how it was put across at the meeting but defo happened.

I think only after the rebrand really kicked in did people start changing their mind. Dave Sugarnan was the only one who come out and public ally opposed it on the TV. I take no pleasure in saying that as I find him very arrogant (online anyway don't know him personally) but he was defo the only well known supporter / fans leader who made his resistance clear from the start.

Time to move on Annis most of the people who hated the re-brand have and just want to support the club ,tan has increased the debt by his 100 million investment he said he would provide us with also he has written off large amount s of cash and also partly converted debt to equity I have no doubt that he will make us profitable

Another joke by Wez

Have they?

I've kept supporting City through it all, I have not seen an improvement in our support home or away and I go to both, Have you seen an improvement yes or no Wez, straight answer please

And time to move on, tell that to the fans who are still broken.

You still have not discussed how we are still seriously in trouble SIX YEARS ON ???

I honestly will not be replying to you anymore Wez as your just on a wind up mission 24/7