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Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:09 pm

Always makes me laugh when somebody says " Hes not good enough " About any manager we have had yet does that mean any team below in us in the league table have managers even worse. That's what its about is it not :laughing6:

I couldn't give too hoots about slade here or not tan will decide that for us :bluescarf:

Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:02 pm

Bluebird1977 wrote:Always makes me laugh when somebody says " Hes not good enough " About any manager we have had yet does that mean any team below in us in the league table have managers even worse. That's what its about is it not :laughing6:

I couldn't give too hoots about slade here or not tan will decide that for us :bluescarf:

I find your posting interesting, tell me what did you think of OGS ability?

Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:11 pm

angelis1949 wrote:
Bluebird1977 wrote:Always makes me laugh when somebody says " Hes not good enough " About any manager we have had yet does that mean any team below in us in the league table have managers even worse. That's what its about is it not :laughing6:

I couldn't give too hoots about slade here or not tan will decide that for us :bluescarf:

I find your posting interesting, tell me what did you think of OGS ability?


I don't think he gave 'two' hoots!

Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:29 pm

angelis1949 wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:still havent mentioned who all these people changing their minds are :lol:

I could say to many to mention but that would be disingenuous of me,so I will only say this in conclusion, there are people on here who's opinion is influenced simply by the last result be it win or lose,some people are flakey on both sides of the debate



then you can give some examples.

its common to read things on here like "people said X, now the same people are saying Y" i havent seen any evidence of this with the exception of rydog who changes his mind like the wind

I refuse to name anyone because I have a simple mantra regarding postings on here,which is never to make it personal, which I wish some on here would follow my example, it will be interesting to see that if you do respond to this,whether you can resist personalise it



Ive a better idea. Why dont you resist posting nonsense instead? You make a sweeping statement about the posters on this forum, calling them fickle and saying they seem to have changed their minds on slade because of one game. Yet tou cant seem to back it up at all.

Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:36 pm

angelis1949 wrote:
Bluebird1977 wrote:Always makes me laugh when somebody says " Hes not good enough " About any manager we have had yet does that mean any team below in us in the league table have managers even worse. That's what its about is it not :laughing6:

I couldn't give too hoots about slade here or not tan will decide that for us :bluescarf:

I find your posting interesting, tell me what did you think of OGS ability?

Never rated him really although I doubt half the signings he made was his.

Played players out of position most weeks and never a consistent core of players playing with him, had way to many to pick from.

Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:10 pm

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:
Bluebird1977 wrote:Always makes me laugh when somebody says " Hes not good enough " About any manager we have had yet does that mean any team below in us in the league table have managers even worse. That's what its about is it not :laughing6:

I couldn't give too hoots about slade here or not tan will decide that for us :bluescarf:

I find your posting interesting, tell me what did you think of OGS ability?


I don't think he gave 'two' hoots!

Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:16 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:still havent mentioned who all these people changing their minds are :lol:

I could say to many to mention but that would be disingenuous of me,so I will only say this in conclusion, there are people on here who's opinion is influenced simply by the last result be it win or lose,some people are flakey on both sides of the debate



then you can give some examples.

its common to read things on here like "people said X, now the same people are saying Y" i havent seen any evidence of this with the exception of rydog who changes his mind like the wind

I refuse to name anyone because I have a simple mantra regarding postings on here,which is never to make it personal, which I wish some on here would follow my example, it will be interesting to see that if you do respond to this,whether you can resist personalise it



Ive a better idea. Why dont you resist posting nonsense instead? You make a sweeping statement about the posters on this forum, calling them fickle and saying they seem to have changed their minds on slade because of one game. Yet tou cant seem to back it up at all.

I don't have to back up anything, I have my point of view you have yours,the only difference between us is that this time next week my view won't have changed, where as you....let's leave it like that

Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:59 pm

angelis1949 wrote:
nubbsy wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:Fickle is a word that is synonymous with football fans, and City fans are no stranger to that word,it was only just over a week ago when certain fans wanted to boil Slade's head and have it for breakfast with some toasted soldiers, now low and behold after just one victory albeit a good one,these same fans are now saying " give Slade more time",even some saying that he must be allowed to carry on till the end of the season, I dread to think what they would say if we beat Rotherham Saturday, freedom of the city perhaps, a knighthood, who knows, I myself have been consistent in saying from almost day one that Slade is simply not good enough at this level, and I must say I respect those who have consistently taken the opposite view to my own, even though I totally disagree with them, but the love him one day hate him the next bunch,I have no respect at all



Some people change their mind like the wind.

But what your saying is bollocks, it's not fickle to support a manager then after a while decide he's not the right one for long term and equally be against them and have them win you over.

Get off your high horse.

Oh dear,seemed to have hit a nerve



Just listen to Savigma he puts his point across better than myself as I can't be arsed arguing but you will even stay stubborn in the face of the facts and common sense he has schooled you with.

Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:46 pm

I want to thank those who bothered to read my original posting and was willing to debate on the subject, a forum is all about different opinions and debate and long may it continue, what kind of world would it be if we all agreed on every thing,it would not be the kind of world I would want to live in

Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:19 pm

I'm not a fan of Slade and the result on Saturday against Wolves has not changed my mind.I will always support the Bluebirds and get behind the team and I loved travelling to Molineux and watching such a positive performance. But 1 game does not represent a turnaround.

I agree that the team played positively and with passion against Wolves. Slade's tactics, formation and team selection were spot on (although if I'm being picky I would have selected Fabio rather than Malone). But this is about the first time that this has happened since Slade was appointed :o . What the game showed me on Saturday is what our squad is actually capable of achieving much more and the failure over the last 18 months for the manager to get the best out of the talent we have. If anything the result and performance highlights the under achievement and inability of Slade to manage at this level. Most on this forum have criticised Slade for formation and team selection for ages. But it's taken him all this time to do what everyone else has been saying :?

We've got Slade for the rest of this season, so we have to accept this and move on. I just hope that this does represent a lesson learned and we have some consistency moving forwards. I genuinely wish Slade luck with this. I want him to succeed, I just don't see it.

On a more positive note, it was great to see passion, a superb performance from Noone (sublime) and good solid performances all round including O'Keefe, Whitts and Pilkington. It was great hearing the fans singing in the Stadium foyer after the game and all the way back to the coaches. What a refreshing experience. Let's hope for more of the same against Rotherham. :thumbup:

Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:49 pm

Angelis my dear, please start taking your meds again.

Re: Fickle

Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:59 pm

Don't think slade is the long term solution but he's doing what he was brought here for

Anyone that thinks he was here to get us promoted is probably not thinking logically (sounds better than deluded)

Some will be of the opinion the squad is good enough and the core of the side is decent but it's not just about managing those playing

He had a humongous squad when he came here orders to ship masses out etc

Wasn't a nice atmosphere at the club for anyone

He's steadied the ship let him finish the season out and see what vinny decides ultimately it's his decision

He has quite a big one to make over the summer does he stick with Russell or part ways? He sticks with him then it's more cost cutting and another aim for playoffs line from the chairman or does he go for someone else and cost cut or someone else and cut but add players at same time whatever happens there's more money needed off the wage bill that's evident in the embargo we've just been put under

To answer the fickle question then yes most people are fickle I'd say 60% of this board are, some never give him a chance and haven't changed their opinion I find that to be very fickle and one dimensional minded demanding a certain manager over the one we have hired and not supporting him at all from day one plain wrong IMO and I'd ask the person who said mentioned someone else's personal life do you act so stubborn in your personal life? If you do then you must find adapting to any change very tough and change happens in life constantly

To those that supported him but now want him gone after evaluating his 40 ish games in charge then fair enough seems the most logical approach to take, one you use everyday in life you try something analyse it's pros and cons and make a decision on whether you like it enough to keep doing it or move on

To those that continually have mixed feelings, one minute in one minute out I kind of get that as well, sometimes I love my job other days I hate it part and parcel of life you enjoy something one minute not so much the next down to daily circumstance nothing wrong with that, if it was a view on a particular topic then I'd imagine you'd be more decisive and would stick to that view though unless new evidence put it in doubt

I dont think any of that makes you fickle really, to the guy that made assumptions about a someone's life like I have above its not very nice is it? I just painted you as a rather stubborn person unwilling to adapt to any form of change unless it sits right with you, if I was you I wouldn't like that assumption so I'd suggest before you cast assumptions on other people's lives you think about what that means before you say anything

I am firmly in the thanks slade you tried you best camp but your management is too inconsistent doesn't mean in life I change my mind Willy nilly just means I'm willing to give some thing time to make an informed decision, I see it as a practical way of dealing with everything life throws at me

The best managers are usually ones who can adapt to change managers you have mentioned in the past that's you'd like to see at the club are very much those types of people, which I find very strange considering your one dimensional stance on slade before he'd even taken charge of his first match at the club, that's not an assumption either that's a fact

Re: Fickle

Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:03 am

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Angelis my dear, please start taking your meds again.

Oh dear

Re: Fickle

Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:21 am

i dont care about whats going on at the club, i am only intererested in whats going on with our football players..on the pitch. We have a talented bunch, we don't need other players, just a manager who knows how to set the team up. We do not have that manager. I prefer that we get Dai Hunt to manage and Annis to coach, fickle lot you all are, lol! :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

nah.... :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout:

Re: Fickle

Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:22 am

TigerBayRoller wrote:i dont care about whats going on at the club, i am only intererested in whats going on with our football players..on the pitch. We have a talented bunch, we don't need other players, just a manager who knows how to set the team up. We do not have that manager. I prefer that we get Dai Hunt to manage and Annis to coach, fickle lot you all are, lol! :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :sladein: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

nah.... :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout: :sladeout:


And you shake it all about. :thumbup:

Re: Fickle

Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:46 am

angelis1949 wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:still havent mentioned who all these people changing their minds are :lol:

I could say to many to mention but that would be disingenuous of me,so I will only say this in conclusion, there are people on here who's opinion is influenced simply by the last result be it win or lose,some people are flakey on both sides of the debate



then you can give some examples.

its common to read things on here like "people said X, now the same people are saying Y" i havent seen any evidence of this with the exception of rydog who changes his mind like the wind

I refuse to name anyone because I have a simple mantra regarding postings on here,which is never to make it personal, which I wish some on here would follow my example, it will be interesting to see that if you do respond to this,whether you can resist personalise it



Ive a better idea. Why dont you resist posting nonsense instead? You make a sweeping statement about the posters on this forum, calling them fickle and saying they seem to have changed their minds on slade because of one game. Yet tou cant seem to back it up at all.

I don't have to back up anything, I have my point of view you have yours,the only difference between us is that this time next week my view won't have changed, where as you....let's leave it like that



your opinion is that people have changed their minds on slade after 1 game and there is not a shred of evidence to back this up :lol:

you start your first post by accusing people of saying certain things and you are very much mistaken

Re: Fickle

Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:44 am

ThomasC wrote:If it was my club he would of been sacked long time ago, can't justify the signings he's made coupled with boring football.

That was the first time we've won a game +1.5 goals since???


To be fair to the bloke, people don't give examples and if they do, they are very very negative just for the sake of being negative.

Malone has been a good signing, forget about Fabio for a second, Fabio is class. But Malone has stepped in and constantly looks like he's trying to make something happen. The competition between Fabio & Malone to me is great, and Fabio proves to be a decent impact player linking up with Malone sometimes.

O'Keefe I strongly believe has is best games with Cardiff ahead of him, I think this is the beginning of a great team with O'keefe in midfield. He gives everything, he was actually great on Saturday (I went to the game and he just kept going). His shot that his the bar was unbelievable. He looks like he's going to be a great player. To be fair to O'Keefe he's only been used as a substituted and although maybe hasn't stood out much in the past, he's always been solid and done his job.

Watt (Although a loan) was clearly a good signing, don't need to say much.

Peltier has been solid ad the back, yes he makes a few mistakes but he's generally the best RB we could get in the championship. Maybe needs to work on his attacking games a bit more.


Kennedy I think most people would say if they're honest he was a good signing. He's not played any games and that's Slades decision...I don't think it's fair calling him a bad signing, I'm sure he'll have his run of games and offer us something.



So we have Alex Revell, Eoin Doyle & Tamas who everybody clearly has their opinions about. Yeah, they've not been any good, but Tamas was signed since there was a worry about potentially losing our CB's so we was ALWAYS signed as backup. Doyle was a risk signing and despite the fact it's not worked yet, he may still play for City and prove us wrong. Alex Revell is a lost cause and needs to go ASAP although you can't knock his desire. Ameobi ofcourse is another story...total waste.

Other than that, how can you complain about his signings? They're not as bad as people makes out...

Re: Fickle

Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:01 pm

polo wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:Fickle is a word that is synonymous with football fans, and City fans are no stranger to that word,it was only just over a week ago when certain fans wanted to boil Slade's head and have it for breakfast with some toasted soldiers, now low and behold after just one victory albeit a good one,these same fans are now saying " give Slade more time",even some saying that he must be allowed to carry on till the end of the season, I dread to think what they would say if we beat Rotherham Saturday, freedom of the city perhaps, a knighthood, who knows, I myself have been consistent in saying from almost day one that Slade is simply not good enough at this level, and I must say I respect those who have consistently taken the opposite view to my own, even though I totally disagree with them, but the love him one day hate him the next bunch,I have no respect at all



all this is completely irrelevent unless you can point out posters who have changed their mind after this one game


Rydo :laughing6:

Im with Angelis. One good perfromance every 4 or 5 games doesnt change a thing.


Agreed. However, think we should keep Slade for the rest of the season.