' Couldn't make Hull last night, but did go to Swansea '

you jack b*stard

If the Jacks were outside the play offs in the Championship, they too would be down to crowds of 13,000.

It's all about success. They're literally clinging on to whatever they have left now. Once they go down everything will change for them just like it did for us.

We were outside the play-offs for the majority of our 3 seasons in the Championship. We never averaged 13,000. I think the average was 15,000+.

First year in the championship 2008 your average was 13,520. After that was 15,000 so success does bring the fans in.

6 years before that you were averaging 3,690 then you started getting some joy so the crowds got bigger, same as any club.

The jacks are no different.

We finished 9th in that first year I think. Hardly what one would call "success". Of course success brings fans, but I dont think we would be getting the crowds you are getting upon relegation. We averaged more than that when we were there on the way up and will no doubt have picked up more since.

if swansea do get relegated. then next season they stay top of the league, crowds wont dwindle that much. if. you do find yourselves struggling a little. rotherham on a tuesday night might bring home reality, fans want entertainment. if you lose 1-0 but play well fans will come back. if. like us. your football is dire, rotherham on a saturday is a give it a miss game.

Pitiful OP. Man up and support your club ffs. You couldn't pay me to watch the jacks as one of their supporters. I don't give s shit how better than us you think they are - on that logic go and support arsenal or Man City. Sod it, Barcelona will do and bet you don't get much rain there

Swansea have performed miracles staying in the top flight for 5 years. Its not down to luck either. They have chosen their managers very wisely and have mostly been great to watch.
Their problem, however, will always be their wage structure as they are too small to compete properly.
If they go down they'll be getting similar crowds to us. Another year on and they'll get smaller crowds.
That's the reality of it all.

Pitiful OP. Man up and support your club ffs. You couldn't pay me to watch the jacks as one of their supporters. I don't give s shit how better than us you think they are - on that logic go and support arsenal or Man City. Sod it, Barcelona will do and bet you don't get much rain there

Lol I knew there would be a few dopey replies but you've totally missed the point. The gist of my post is asking why we can't get to a situation where we can all stop moaning and be able to say we're enjoying our Saturdays again. I go to a shedload of away games, even though most of them are soul destroying. If They Can Do It, Why can't we. There are loads of clubs below us in the Championship and other leagues where spectators leave grounds feeling good about what they've seen but seemingly not us!

Swansea have performed miracles staying in the top flight for 5 years. Its not down to luck either. They have chosen their managers very wisely and have mostly been great to watch.
Their problem, however, will always be their wage structure as they are too small to compete properly.
If they go down they'll be getting similar crowds to us. Another year on and they'll get smaller crowds.
That's the reality of it all.

Thats a myth actually. Our wage budget seems to be at 80% of income. So going from last years accounts it was £85m a year. That puts us in the top half of paying clubs in the Premier League. The difference is, we dont have a huge debt to service. The other £15-£20m + player out funds gets spent on transfers.

As stated above, we were averaging 14,000-15,000 last time around and have picked up more fans since then after half a decade in the top flight. We would certainly not be averaging 13,000 if relegated and would be in one of the best positions for a bounce back than any other relegated team I can remember. There is no debt to service and a squad of players that many have been and done it before.

IF Swansea come down they will do ok in the first season crowds wise as like us most fans will have already have renewed in the hope of survival, we averaged 21,000 last year dont forget.

Its the second year that hits you the most and its only then you will see if they will retain their new fans, and of course, this will be dependent on success levels

In regards to crowds I also noticed Hull only had 15,000 last night and Burnley are averaging around the same, considering its both those teams first season back in the Championship and they are 2nd and 4th in the league it goes to show that crowds are down in most places

The stadium was full, the atmosphere was positive and enthusiastic, the effin football was certainly better (even though they lost). In fact the whole experience was well above what we are putting up with at the moment.

If we were in the Premier League for 5 years, playing good football, then we'd be exactly the same?

The reason we're at a really bad point in Cardiff City's history right now, is because the football hasn't been good enough, tactics, management, signings, ownership, have all been very bad at CCFC.

Whereas, the gypos have had it easy the last decade. Would make my f*cking year if they went down.

Spot on, they've been very lucky to have had what they've had these past 5 years

Define how the swans remaining in the prem for 5 years is lucky?

Talking about your fanbase really, no one expected little old Swansea to be where they are now, ever. You've been very spoilt to say the least with your success.

If the Jacks were outside the play offs in the Championship, they too would be down to crowds of 13,000.

It's all about success. They're literally clinging on to whatever they have left now. Once they go down everything will change for them just like it did for us.

We were outside the play-offs for the majority of our 3 seasons in the Championship. We never averaged 13,000. I think the average was 15,000+.

There's a difference between fighting for progression and attempting to regain success. We had gates of 20,000+ for years in our attempts to get promoted, we'd be lucky to get anywhere near that if we were in the top 6 now purely due to the fact that fans are dwelling on past success (Premier League football) and now expect nothing less.

If you go down you'll still probably sell out most weeks if you're lucky, fail to go up again and you'll be back down to our crowds.

Swansea have performed miracles staying in the top flight for 5 years. Its not down to luck either. They have chosen their managers very wisely and have mostly been great to watch.
Their problem, however, will always be their wage structure as they are too small to compete properly.
If they go down they'll be getting similar crowds to us. Another year on and they'll get smaller crowds.
That's the reality of it all.

Thats a myth actually. Our wage budget seems to be at 80% of income. So going from last years accounts it was £85m a year. That puts us in the top half of paying clubs in the Premier League. The difference is, we dont have a huge debt to service. The other £15-£20m + player out funds gets spent on transfers.

As stated above, we were averaging 14,000-15,000 last time around and have picked up more fans since then after half a decade in the top flight. We would certainly not be averaging 13,000 if relegated and would be in one of the best positions for a bounce back than any other relegated team I can remember. There is no debt to service and a squad of players that many have been and done it before.

Ok, that's the optimistic way of looking at, which is fair enough, but just as relative, would be a pessimistic view, what if when relegated, you fail to get back to the Premier, well then the cracks appear, fans get on the boards back, board members start to leave or are asked to. The whole Swansea success project seems to heavily rely on Huw Jenkins stewardship, should he leave, or sells his share, who comes in. Swansea as a club and place wouldn't have much of an attraction for anyone outside the town, so it's limited in its pool of talented administrators. On to the fan base, Swansea would have a hardcore of 8- 10k, two seasons back in the championship treading water would have you attracting those kinds of crowds. Like us, you have mostlyfairweatherfans who jumped on a bandwagon. I also think that it's to exclusive to both our clubs, the modern supporter is different, club loyalty has been eradicated, by football clubs insistence that it's a business like any other.

If the Jacks were outside the play offs in the Championship, they too would be down to crowds of 13,000.

It's all about success. They're literally clinging on to whatever they have left now. Once they go down everything will change for them just like it did for us.

We were outside the play-offs for the majority of our 3 seasons in the Championship. We never averaged 13,000. I think the average was 15,000+.

First year in the championship 2008 your average was 13,520. After that was 15,000 so success does bring the fans in.

6 years before that you were averaging 3,690 then you started getting some joy so the crowds got bigger, same as any club.

The jacks are no different.

We finished 9th in that first year I think. Hardly what one would call "success". Of course success brings fans, but I dont think we would be getting the crowds you are getting upon relegation. We averaged more than that when we were there on the way up and will no doubt have picked up more since.

Those who joined you on the way up will be the FIRST to jump ship.

But I actually agree with you, you prob would be averaging more than we are right now. But you just have to look at the circumstances and state of our club to see why, your egg chasing fan base would be down to about 6k by now in our circumstance.

Newport County and Merthyr Town provide good atmospheres too. We need to somehow fix this shambles. At Ninian Park, we could hide our poir attendances, but in an all-seater stadium, we cannot. Our club has turned into a joke, and chanting "we are your capital" is sadly all we have over Swansea City FC, although has a City, Cardiff destroys Swansea x3.

I like the fact that we are one of only a few in the PL where 60 is the age threshold for seniors.
£35 for a walk up ticket is a bit steep and £17.50 for kids, students and seniors needs to be looked at. They have dropped to £30/£15 for a few games but we need to do it more often. A season ticket price for adults on average is £22.

The away price is capped at £22