' Problem solved...return to blue.? '

This says it all....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxNekjfR27o

You have to ask just how much does the 'blue' factor matter when compared to the 'success' factor?

Fact is we consistently played in front of our highest average crowds whilst playing in red. Since relegation the crowds have plummeted and a reversal to blue proved to be a red herring as the crowds continue to fall.

That fact is the fans 'victory' only happened because we were relegated from the Premier League and then made a complete hash of our first attempt to get back.

I'm torn because I'm delighted to be back in blue but it has come at a terrible price as the club seems to be falling apart.

What is needed is for the blame game to stop. Tan made a mistake one which has cost him millions of pounds but hounding the guy for evermore will achieve nothing but more discord at CCFC. Time to put the nonsense behind us and start pushing the club forward.

Fair words Tony. Far too sensible.

Sensible indeed; but therein lies the biggest problem...getting everyone (Tan, Board, supporters and floaters) pulling in the same direction, i.e. forward and not backwards, as far too many currently do

Fair one Annis. We will never agree on this.

Btw I don't think it's an issue who don't come anymore because of our league position. It's logical. If I enjoy my local theatre show but then watch something on Broadway I'm unlikely to go back and watch my local theatre show. That's fine. My point is disparity. I mean someone said they weren't coming because we sold Brayford.

You say Tan killed Cardiff City. He took us firmly off life support because without him we were getting liquidated.

This says it all....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxNekjfR27o

Exactly, the new stadium killed all that, the rebrand just buried it.

This says it all....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxNekjfR27o

What does that say?

It was like that the year we won the championship and when we beat Man City. Both were in red under Tan.

Ian, I thought returning to Blue, would bring back the thousands, I was wrong.

So in my opinion the damage had already been done and if you keep hurting people,laughing at people,stripping them of their desire/passion,some will forgive, some will forgive in time and some will never forgive.

It will take a long long time to ever get the feeling back and for some that might never happen again as people move on and find other things to do in life.

Plus the the Red Glory hunting Brigade wildly return when the Glory returns.

I never thought it would make a difference, a quick glance at our promotion winning team in red whatever type of fan you want to label them is enough evidence. Many will disagree because they want everything perfect, unfortunately that's not reality but the dismantling of the over paid squad, the more sensible approach to finances of the club are being addressed and while Slade is not the man to take us forward he has held it together and I believe come the end of his tenure in the summer he will leave a reasonable team with a decent age balance for his successor ( Bellamy ) to add to and take things forward.

A lot still have the premiership hangover and was a big hangover for us because unlike most teams he get there and drop out we have been to hell and back and waited an eternity.

Fans will return, the fan base is there they just can't be bothered right now but a new exciting team and success would see the flooding back. It will happen, when is the big question.

Gareth, Glory hunters will return for Glory thats Guaranteed.
But we need the hardcore fans to return. I spoke to TLG aka Dave Sugarman and after nearly 40 years of supporting City, due to the Rebrand and he stated Tans name, he has moved on and found new things to do.

I look around me at away games and many many old faces are now no longer going and that hurts and they were the passionate ones.

We also need, well the club needs to encourage new fans to come along, the kids,cheap,cheap prices.

That is true Annis but Dave stopped going as soon as the rebrand occurred so is not relevant to this debate really. The relevance is on those 8500+ fans who came when we were red last time we were in the championship (under Tan) and 15000 fans who have gone since we were relegated. That is success related and only success will bring them back.

Neil,
Dave and many others stopped, could even be a few thousand, some tried to come back, Ive spoken to dozens upon dozens over the last few years and they don't feel its their club anymore.
We had a good run a few weeks ago, did the fans come back? NO they got less.
It will take more than winning runs, we have been top 6, did they come back? NO
Guaranteed promotion will bring full houses of glory hunters,thats guaranteed.
We need fans now and next season,so the club needs to realise this and do something.

The ones who deserve most credit out of this are those that stopped coming due to their principles when the rebrand occurred or those that kept coming and are still going now.

I am sorry but those that came through (post rebrand) the championship winning season and premiership year then stopped after we got relegated are just reacting to lack of success on the field.

Utter bollocks from someone who doesn't go regularly themself. Long term supporters who have definitely seen more lows than highs over the years have tried to explain to you that success is not an issue, but you seem to have an overwhelming desire to appear superior to others and are very judgemental and opinionated.

He's the self appointed Chief Inspector of the Attendance Police but doesn't attend himself. You couldn't make it up.

Neither do you.

My point is valid. There are many reasons why people don't come and I respect that. However my point is that those that say it is due to Tan and the rebrand yet only decided that this year or last. That makes no sense.

I'm not the one criticising others for their reasons for not going so wether I go or not is irrelevant to this argument.

I've already given my reasons for not going as much as I used to and that won't change even if we got to the Prem.

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This says it all....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxNekjfR27o

What does that say?

It was like that the year we won the championship and when we beat Man City. Both were in red under Tan.

It was not in red in the stands.

You have to ask just how much does the 'blue' factor matter when compared to the 'success' factor?

Fact is we consistently played in front of our highest average crowds whilst playing in red. Since relegation the crowds have plummeted and a reversal to blue proved to be a red herring as the crowds continue to fall.

That fact is the fans 'victory' only happened because we were relegated from the Premier League and then made a complete hash of our first attempt to get back.

I'm torn because I'm delighted to be back in blue but it has come at a terrible price as the club seems to be falling apart.

What is needed is for the blame game to stop. Tan made a mistake one which has cost him millions of pounds but hounding the guy for evermore will achieve nothing but more discord at CCFC. Time to put the nonsense behind us and start pushing the club forward.

Fair words Tony. Far too sensible.

Sensible indeed; but therein lies the biggest problem...getting everyone (Tan, Board, supporters and floaters) pulling in the same direction, i.e. forward and not backwards, as far too many currently do

Chris and what Tony and Neil not seem to realise is Tan has hurt some fans far to much to be forgiven,but also Tan does not care anyway and wants out ASAP.

This says it all....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxNekjfR27o

What does that say?

It was like that the year we won the championship and when we beat Man City. Both were in red under Tan.

It was not in red in the stands.

There was red.

Fair one Annis. We will never agree on this.

Btw I don't think it's an issue who don't come anymore because of our league position. It's logical. If I enjoy my local theatre show but then watch something on Broadway I'm unlikely to go back and watch my local theatre show. That's fine. My point is disparity. I mean someone said they weren't coming because we sold Brayford.

You say Tan killed Cardiff City. He took us firmly off life support because without him we were getting liquidated.

We will never agree on this and to be honest I sometimes wish he had not put any money in and we had started again

This says it all....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxNekjfR27o

For me, Passion and Great Days

This says it all....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxNekjfR27o

What does that say?

It was like that the year we won the championship and when we beat Man City. Both were in red under Tan.

It was not in red in the stands.

There was red.

Hardly the revolution that Tan predicted.

You have to ask just how much does the 'blue' factor matter when compared to the 'success' factor?

Fact is we consistently played in front of our highest average crowds whilst playing in red. Since relegation the crowds have plummeted and a reversal to blue proved to be a red herring as the crowds continue to fall.

That fact is the fans 'victory' only happened because we were relegated from the Premier League and then made a complete hash of our first attempt to get back.

I'm torn because I'm delighted to be back in blue but it has come at a terrible price as the club seems to be falling apart.

What is needed is for the blame game to stop. Tan made a mistake one which has cost him millions of pounds but hounding the guy for evermore will achieve nothing but more discord at CCFC. Time to put the nonsense behind us and start pushing the club forward.

Tony, I agree with everything until your last lines.
Tan has to take all the blame and he laughed in our faces and for me I will never ever forgive him, but I still go as I support Cardiff City,but for some he pushed them to far and thats how they feel.
Tan does not want to be at our club and wants out ASAP, I guarantee you that.
Tan has lost total interest in his toy.

I think if Tan has lost interest in his 'toy' then why would he continue to put money into the club, you don't throw good money after bad, he would have cut his losses and run.He has invested in 3 other clubs,surely you would cut loose Cardiff and put that money into the other clubs.

You have to ask just how much does the 'blue' factor matter when compared to the 'success' factor?

Fact is we consistently played in front of our highest average crowds whilst playing in red. Since relegation the crowds have plummeted and a reversal to blue proved to be a red herring as the crowds continue to fall.

That fact is the fans 'victory' only happened because we were relegated from the Premier League and then made a complete hash of our first attempt to get back.

I'm torn because I'm delighted to be back in blue but it has come at a terrible price as the club seems to be falling apart.

What is needed is for the blame game to stop. Tan made a mistake one which has cost him millions of pounds but hounding the guy for evermore will achieve nothing but more discord at CCFC. Time to put the nonsense behind us and start pushing the club forward.

Tony, I agree with everything until your last lines.
Tan has to take all the blame and he laughed in our faces and for me I will never ever forgive him, but I still go as I support Cardiff City,but for some he pushed them to far and thats how they feel.
Tan does not want to be at our club and wants out ASAP, I guarantee you that.
Tan has lost total interest in his toy.

I think if Tan has lost interest in his 'toy' then why would he continue to put money into the club, you don't throw good money after bad, he would have cut his losses and run.He has invested in 3 other clubs,surely you would cut loose Cardiff and put that money into the other clubs.

Tony is not putting money in to our club. And by the way,he never did, he lent us the money and wants it back.

Ian, I thought returning to Blue, would bring back the thousands, I was wrong.

So in my opinion the damage had already been done and if you keep hurting people,laughing at people,stripping them of their desire/passion,some will forgive, some will forgive in time and some will never forgive.

It will take a long long time to ever get the feeling back and for some that might never happen again as people move on and find other things to do in life.

Plus the the Red Glory hunting Brigade wildly return when the Glory returns.

I never thought it would make a difference, a quick glance at our promotion winning team in red whatever type of fan you want to label them is enough evidence. Many will disagree because they want everything perfect, unfortunately that's not reality but the dismantling of the over paid squad, the more sensible approach to finances of the club are being addressed and while Slade is not the man to take us forward he has held it together and I believe come the end of his tenure in the summer he will leave a reasonable team with a decent age balance for his successor ( Bellamy ) to add to and take things forward.

A lot still have the premiership hangover and was a big hangover for us because unlike most teams he get there and drop out we have been to hell and back and waited an eternity.

Fans will return, the fan base is there they just can't be bothered right now but a new exciting team and success would see the flooding back. It will happen, when is the big question.

Gareth, Glory hunters will return for Glory thats Guaranteed.
But we need the hardcore fans to return. I spoke to TLG aka Dave Sugarman and after nearly 40 years of supporting City, due to the Rebrand and he stated Tans name, he has moved on and found new things to do.

I look around me at away games and many many old faces are now no longer going and that hurts and they were the passionate ones.

We also need, well the club needs to encourage new fans to come along, the kids,cheap,cheap prices.

That is true Annis but Dave stopped going as soon as the rebrand occurred so is not relevant to this debate really. The relevance is on those 8500+ fans who came when we were red last time we were in the championship (under Tan) and 15000 fans who have gone since we were relegated. That is success related and only success will bring them back.

Neil,
Dave and many others stopped, could even be a few thousand, some tried to come back, Ive spoken to dozens upon dozens over the last few years and they don't feel its their club anymore.
We had a good run a few weeks ago, did the fans come back? NO they got less.
It will take more than winning runs, we have been top 6, did they come back? NO
Guaranteed promotion will bring full houses of glory hunters,thats guaranteed.
We need fans now and next season,so the club needs to realise this and do something.

The ones who deserve most credit out of this are those that stopped coming due to their principles when the rebrand occurred or those that kept coming and are still going now.

I am sorry but those that came through (post rebrand) the championship winning season and premiership year then stopped after we got relegated are just reacting to lack of success on the field.

Utter bollocks from someone who doesn't go regularly themself. Long term supporters who have definitely seen more lows than highs over the years have tried to explain to you that success is not an issue, but you seem to have an overwhelming desire to appear superior to others and are very judgemental and opinionated.

He's the self appointed Chief Inspector of the Attendance Police but doesn't attend himself. You couldn't make it up.

Neither do you.

My point is valid. There are many reasons why people don't come and I respect that. However my point is that those that say it is due to Tan and the rebrand yet only decided that this year or last. That makes no sense.

I'm not the one criticising others for their reasons for not going so wether I go or not is irrelevant to this argument.

I've already given my reasons for not going as much as I used to and that won't change even if we got to the Prem.

How am I criticising people for not going? It would be the height of hypocrisy for me to criticise people for not attending when I don't go.

I am merely pointing out the lack of logic in people saying that they don't go anymore because of Tan but only decided that this year. As I point out in another post not going due to lack of success is no problem either. I likened it to watching theatre or something similar. People can spend their money on what they like.

Fair one Annis. We will never agree on this.

Btw I don't think it's an issue who don't come anymore because of our league position. It's logical. If I enjoy my local theatre show but then watch something on Broadway I'm unlikely to go back and watch my local theatre show. That's fine. My point is disparity. I mean someone said they weren't coming because we sold Brayford.

You say Tan killed Cardiff City. He took us firmly off life support because without him we were getting liquidated.

We will never agree on this and to be honest I sometimes wish he had not put any money in and we had started again

This ////

Or I wish we went up in 2010 with TGs original investment

You have to ask just how much does the 'blue' factor matter when compared to the 'success' factor?

Fact is we consistently played in front of our highest average crowds whilst playing in red. Since relegation the crowds have plummeted and a reversal to blue proved to be a red herring as the crowds continue to fall.

That fact is the fans 'victory' only happened because we were relegated from the Premier League and then made a complete hash of our first attempt to get back.

I'm torn because I'm delighted to be back in blue but it has come at a terrible price as the club seems to be falling apart.

What is needed is for the blame game to stop. Tan made a mistake one which has cost him millions of pounds but hounding the guy for evermore will achieve nothing but more discord at CCFC. Time to put the nonsense behind us and start pushing the club forward.

Tony, I agree with everything until your last lines.
Tan has to take all the blame and he laughed in our faces and for me I will never ever forgive him, but I still go as I support Cardiff City,but for some he pushed them to far and thats how they feel.
Tan does not want to be at our club and wants out ASAP, I guarantee you that.
Tan has lost total interest in his toy.

I think if Tan has lost interest in his 'toy' then why would he continue to put money into the club, you don't throw good money after bad, he would have cut his losses and run.He has invested in 3 other clubs,surely you would cut loose Cardiff and put that money into the other clubs.

Tony is not putting money in to our club. And by the way,he never did, he lent us the money and wants it back.

It's still his money he is loaning us. To say anything different is ridiculous. At least he doesn't sting us for a wage.

How am I criticising people for not going? It would be the height of hypocrisy for me to criticise people for not attending when I don't go.

I am merely pointing out the lack of logic in people saying that they don't go anymore because of Tan but only decided that this year. As I point out in another post not going due to lack of success is no problem either. I likened it to watching theatre or something similar. People can spend their money on what they like.

You've been criticising people and their reasons since you started that thread about success.
There has plenty of logic given but you're too arrogant to accept it. You wouldn't know where they are coming from because by your own admission you stopped going in 2008.

You have to ask just how much does the 'blue' factor matter when compared to the 'success' factor?

Fact is we consistently played in front of our highest average crowds whilst playing in red. Since relegation the crowds have plummeted and a reversal to blue proved to be a red herring as the crowds continue to fall.

That fact is the fans 'victory' only happened because we were relegated from the Premier League and then made a complete hash of our first attempt to get back.

I'm torn because I'm delighted to be back in blue but it has come at a terrible price as the club seems to be falling apart.

What is needed is for the blame game to stop. Tan made a mistake one which has cost him millions of pounds but hounding the guy for evermore will achieve nothing but more discord at CCFC. Time to put the nonsense behind us and start pushing the club forward.

Tony, I agree with everything until your last lines.
Tan has to take all the blame and he laughed in our faces and for me I will never ever forgive him, but I still go as I support Cardiff City,but for some he pushed them to far and thats how they feel.
Tan does not want to be at our club and wants out ASAP, I guarantee you that.
Tan has lost total interest in his toy.

I think if Tan has lost interest in his 'toy' then why would he continue to put money into the club, you don't throw good money after bad, he would have cut his losses and run.He has invested in 3 other clubs,surely you would cut loose Cardiff and put that money into the other clubs.

Tony is not putting money in to our club. And by the way,he never did, he lent us the money and wants it back.

It's still his money he is loaning us. To say anything different is ridiculous. At least he doesn't sting us for a wage.

But he still wants his investment back and he's made a lot of expensive mistakes. He either takes a massive loss or finds some idiot daft enough to pay for these mistakes.

How am I criticising people for not going? It would be the height of hypocrisy for me to criticise people for not attending when I don't go.

I am merely pointing out the lack of logic in people saying that they don't go anymore because of Tan but only decided that this year. As I point out in another post not going due to lack of success is no problem either. I likened it to watching theatre or something similar. People can spend their money on what they like.

You've been criticising people and their reasons since you started that thread about success.
There has plenty of logic given but you're too arrogant to accept it. You wouldn't know where they are coming from because by your own admission you stopped going in 2008.

Not even close to true. I have been 3 times this season. Annis got me tickets various times in 2009. 2008 and the cup final was when I think the fan base changed as more glory supporters came on board. The atmosphere was affected significantly.

I don't criticise people's reasons for not going apart from the one who said he doesn't go because of selling Brayford. I might criticise their logic in saying they don't go because of Tan if they have decided that this year or last. When they say this I ask if they went during the championship winning season and premiership season.

I know you like searching poster's history please correct me if you can,

The only year I didn't attend a game at all was the premiership year. I am the opposite of a glory supporter. I also didn't attend the FA Cup final and watched the game with 4 other mates in Canton.

You have to ask just how much does the 'blue' factor matter when compared to the 'success' factor?

Fact is we consistently played in front of our highest average crowds whilst playing in red. Since relegation the crowds have plummeted and a reversal to blue proved to be a red herring as the crowds continue to fall.

That fact is the fans 'victory' only happened because we were relegated from the Premier League and then made a complete hash of our first attempt to get back.

I'm torn because I'm delighted to be back in blue but it has come at a terrible price as the club seems to be falling apart.

What is needed is for the blame game to stop. Tan made a mistake one which has cost him millions of pounds but hounding the guy for evermore will achieve nothing but more discord at CCFC. Time to put the nonsense behind us and start pushing the club forward.

Tony, I agree with everything until your last lines.
Tan has to take all the blame and he laughed in our faces and for me I will never ever forgive him, but I still go as I support Cardiff City,but for some he pushed them to far and thats how they feel.
Tan does not want to be at our club and wants out ASAP, I guarantee you that.
Tan has lost total interest in his toy.

I think if Tan has lost interest in his 'toy' then why would he continue to put money into the club, you don't throw good money after bad, he would have cut his losses and run.He has invested in 3 other clubs,surely you would cut loose Cardiff and put that money into the other clubs.

Tony is not putting money in to our club. And by the way,he never did, he lent us the money and wants it back.

It's still his money he is loaning us. To say anything different is ridiculous. At least he doesn't sting us for a wage.

Neil, The money wasted at our club due to the rebrand and how totally unproffesional we still are beggers beyond belief,what I see still happening at CCFC under Tans ownership.

How am I criticising people for not going? It would be the height of hypocrisy for me to criticise people for not attending when I don't go.

I am merely pointing out the lack of logic in people saying that they don't go anymore because of Tan but only decided that this year. As I point out in another post not going due to lack of success is no problem either. I likened it to watching theatre or something similar. People can spend their money on what they like.

You've been criticising people and their reasons since you started that thread about success.
There has plenty of logic given but you're too arrogant to accept it. You wouldn't know where they are coming from because by your own admission you stopped going in 2008.

Not even close to true. I have been 3 times this season. Annis got me tickets various times in 2009. 2008 and the cup final was when I think the fan base changed as more glory supporters came on board. The atmosphere was affected significantly.

I don't criticise people's reasons for not going apart from the one who said he doesn't go because of selling Brayford. I might criticise their logic in saying they don't go because of Tan if they have decided that this year or last. When they say this I ask if they went during the championship winning season and premiership season.

I know you like searching poster's history please correct me if you can,

You called Bluebird For Life a bullshitter even though he gave you a reasonable and logical argument to your last point

The Brayford one you keep bringing up isnt even worth a debate

How am I criticising people for not going? It would be the height of hypocrisy for me to criticise people for not attending when I don't go.

I am merely pointing out the lack of logic in people saying that they don't go anymore because of Tan but only decided that this year. As I point out in another post not going due to lack of success is no problem either. I likened it to watching theatre or something similar. People can spend their money on what they like.

You've been criticising people and their reasons since you started that thread about success.
There has plenty of logic given but you're too arrogant to accept it. You wouldn't know where they are coming from because by your own admission you stopped going in 2008.

Not even close to true. I have been 3 times this season. Annis got me tickets various times in 2009. 2008 and the cup final was when I think the fan base changed as more glory supporters came on board. The atmosphere was affected significantly.

I don't criticise people's reasons for not going apart from the one who said he doesn't go because of selling Brayford. I might criticise their logic in saying they don't go because of Tan if they have decided that this year or last. When they say this I ask if they went during the championship winning season and premiership season.

I know you like searching poster's history please correct me if you can,

You called Bluebird For Life a bullshitter even though he gave you a reasonable and logical argument to your last point

The Brayford one you keep bringing up isnt even worth a debate

I spoke generally about bull shitters. Bluebird for life said he has been going for 40 years and seen countless bad times. I have been a fan for 24 years so can't comment on 40 but I struggle to believe he hasn't seen worse than is happening now. His point was that he is no longer going because of Tan yet he still went after Tan did the worst of his actions that being the rebrand. He has now stopped going. To me that says it is linked to our lack of success. As I have said the success thing is relative. We are lower than we the heights we reached in one season so it is understandable that people would now stop going. They wouldn't be alone our history is full of spikes in attendance when we are successful and troughs when we are less successful. This topic shows this in detail.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=166339

Again I reiterate there is nothing wrong with this. It is logical for this to occur. What I find annoying is people who say it is due to Tan or Dire football when they went when Malky's hoof ball was in full swing. (Winning hoof ball I might add).

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=157471&start=30&hilit=1992&p=1663323&view=show#p1663323

You say here you stopped going after the cup final over the tickets even though by your own admission you weren't a regular after 2001

How am I criticising people for not going? It would be the height of hypocrisy for me to criticise people for not attending when I don't go.

I am merely pointing out the lack of logic in people saying that they don't go anymore because of Tan but only decided that this year. As I point out in another post not going due to lack of success is no problem either. I likened it to watching theatre or something similar. People can spend their money on what they like.

You've been criticising people and their reasons since you started that thread about success.
There has plenty of logic given but you're too arrogant to accept it. You wouldn't know where they are coming from because by your own admission you stopped going in 2008.

Not even close to true. I have been 3 times this season. Annis got me tickets various times in 2009. 2008 and the cup final was when I think the fan base changed as more glory supporters came on board. The atmosphere was affected significantly.

I don't criticise people's reasons for not going apart from the one who said he doesn't go because of selling Brayford. I might criticise their logic in saying they don't go because of Tan if they have decided that this year or last. When they say this I ask if they went during the championship winning season and premiership season.

I know you like searching poster's history please correct me if you can,

You called Bluebird For Life a bullshitter even though he gave you a reasonable and logical argument to your last point

The Brayford one you keep bringing up isnt even worth a debate

I spoke generally about bull shitters. Bluebird for life said he has been going for 40 years and seen countless bad times. I have been a fan for 24 years so can't comment on 40 but I struggle to believe he hasn't seen worse than is happening now. His point was that he is no longer going because of Tan yet he still went after Tan did the worst of his actions that being the rebrand. He has now stopped going. To me that says it is linked to our lack of success. As I have said the success thing is relative. We are lower than we the heights we reached in one season so it is understandable that people would now stop going. They wouldn't be alone our history is full of spikes in attendance when we are successful and troughs when we are less successful. This topic shows this in detail.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=166339

Again I reiterate there is nothing wrong with this. It is logical for this to occur. What I find annoying is people who say it is due to Tan or Dire football when they went when Malky's hoof ball was in full swing. (Winning hoof ball I might add).

Zzzzzzzz

Do you get money for every time you link your thread.

Off out now turn make sure the heating is on full blast it must get cold all the way up in that ivory tower.

FFS - I've explained several times already that I did not stop going purely because of Tan, but because of the on-going sums of mine and other fans money that he and his cronies continue to throw down the drain for no apparent reason.

You really need to come down a peg or two mate and stop being so high and mighty and actually start listening to what people are saying before forming opinions on people you don't know.

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=157471&start=30&hilit=1992&p=1663323&view=show#p1663323

You say here you stopped going after the cup final over the tickets even though by your own admission you weren't a regular after 2001

I stopped doing as regularly as I did in 2001. That's when I joined the RAF. Prior to that went every home game and most away.

Between 2001 and 2008 I went but less regularly. Actually went more away when I was at Valley as Hefin was up there and I used to go with him. 2009 season less again and practically not at all and then spent a year in Cyprus Feb 2010 to March 2011 so didn't go at all. The year after was when I started working shift so took my Saturday's out. This season I have been 3 times.

FFS - I've explained several times already that I did not stop going purely because of Tan, but because of the on-going sums of mine and other fans money that he and his cronies continue to throw down the drain for no apparent reason.

You really need to come down a peg or two mate and stop being so high and mighty and actually start listening to what people are saying before forming opinions on people you don't know.

That's fine we are just going in circles. You mentioned the wasting of money but never attributed that to your circumstances that I saw.

As I have said nobody needs to explain themselves to me I don't go myself.

I hardly think of myself as high and mighty as per the sentence above.

Tan in my opinion has not killed the club but he has damaged it and it will take time to repair and lot of shit has happened for him not to be forgiven turning back to blue was his best decision and when Tan leaves that s when the club will start to repair.