' The truth behind our crowds '

Yup we've been 'spoilt' in the last 7 years, cup runs and play offs etc. It's not new anymore.

Totally agree. The only new thing we can offer is Premiership success and for us that’s staying up. Or big signings preferably some of our class young Welsh talent.

Ive been twice this season and i wont be rushing back, its not cheap, and the two matches ive watched were dire, Derby ,and yesterday, i wouldnt mind paying 25 quid to watch Fulham play.Both matches the only time a saw Damour was when he was substituted,

The fa cup attendance wil be a joke. Think again if club think season ticket holders will pay again. Should be included in season ticket price.

The fa cup attendance wil be a joke. Think again if club think season ticket holders will pay again. Should be included in season ticket price.

it never has been included.

But it should be. People on here got money to burn on here.

Still too expensive in my book.

You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Good stuff from the OP and the subsequent post he did regarding the stats. Sam always said we could be as bid as Barcelona. That was stretching it a bit, but the truth is we could be a huge club with sustained long term success. Our relative success in recent years has seen our crowds go up significantly to what they were only 15 years ago. You go back 20 years and there is no comparison to what were getting in the few seasons before and including the premier league. From crowds of less than 4,000 to getting 35,000+ versus Hereford in the 3rd tier of English football and 36,000+ against Everton in the FA Cup showed us at the time that we had the catchment area and potential to draw in huge crowds.

Unfortunately, despite what some fans may say in respect of a few Wembley finals and a season in the premier league, we still haven't had, in my opinion, sustained success. I'm talking about probably 20 years or so as an established premier league team. This gives you a chance to build a generation of fans. During this time young fans who started supporting City at the age of nine or ten will have their own kids and naturally bring them up to support Cardiff rather than Man Utd or Liverpool. And you just watch the generation of Man City fans who will naturally spring up in South Wales now that they look ready to sweep the board.

A generation of City fans supporting a premier league team gives a chance for the Club hierarchy to build on the success and embed that support into the local schools, youth organisations and time to make connections with ethnic groups, students and women, all of whom are under represented at our Club. Teams like Liverpool, Everton, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle have established themselves in the premier league on a long term basis, apart from Newcastle's one or two little blips and Man City of course.

If Cardiff can get back into the top league and stay there for a long period, people in the Cardiff area and our natural catchment areas of the Valleys and Vale of Glamorgan will start to get used to the idea of Cardiff being a premier league club and that breeds a sense of pride in the team and the Club and the area we all come from. That type of pride, passion and support for the Club will become embedded in the area and would even then survive a shortish period out side of the premier league, as we've recently seen with Newcastle and west Ham, whose crowds largely held up in the Championship because they had high levels of well established support within their localities. Cardiff are nowhere near that level at the moment. Yes we can take 35,000 to Wembley or fill the Millenniium Stadium (won't call it principality...sorry) for a home tie against Man Utd in the FA Cup but we will not get regular crowds of over 40,000 until we get a long established period of premier league football.

Good stuff from the OP and the subsequent post he did regarding the stats. Sam always said we could be as bid as Barcelona. That was stretching it a bit, but the truth is we could be a huge club with sustained long term success. Our relative success in recent years has seen our crowds go up significantly to what they were only 15 years ago. You go back 20 years and there is no comparison to what were getting in the few seasons before and including the premier league. From crowds of less than 4,000 to getting 35,000+ versus Hereford in the 3rd tier of English football and 36,000+ against Everton in the FA Cup showed us at the time that we had the catchment area and potential to draw in huge crowds.

Unfortunately, despite what some fans may say in respect of a few Wembley finals and a season in the premier league, we still haven't had, in my opinion, sustained success. I'm talking about probably 20 years or so as an established premier league team. This gives you a chance to build a generation of fans. During this time young fans who started supporting City at the age of nine or ten will have their own kids and naturally bring them up to support Cardiff rather than Man Utd or Liverpool. And you just watch the generation of Man City fans who will naturally spring up in South Wales now that they look ready to sweep the board.

A generation of City fans supporting a premier league team gives a chance for the Club hierarchy to build on the success and embed that support into the local schools, youth organisations and time to make connections with ethnic groups, students and women, all of whom are under represented at our Club. Teams like Liverpool, Everton, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle have established themselves in the premier league on a long term basis, apart from Newcastle's one or two little blips and Man City of course.

If Cardiff can get back into the top league and stay there for a long period, people in the Cardiff area and our natural catchment areas of the Valleys and Vale of Glamorgan will start to get used to the idea of Cardiff being a premier league club and that breeds a sense of pride in the team and the Club and the area we all come from. That type of pride, passion and support for the Club will become embedded in the area and would even then survive a shortish period out side of the premier league, as we've recently seen with Newcastle and west Ham, whose crowds largely held up in the Championship because they had high levels of well established support within their localities. Cardiff are nowhere near that level at the moment. Yes we can take 35,000 to Wembley or fill the Millenniium Stadium (won't call it principality...sorry) for a home tie against Man Utd in the FA Cup but we will not get regular crowds of over 40,000 until we get a long established period of premier league football.

Excellent post. Look at the red wall to see success will bring fans.

Good stuff from the OP and the subsequent post he did regarding the stats. Sam always said we could be as bid as Barcelona. That was stretching it a bit, but the truth is we could be a huge club with sustained long term success. Our relative success in recent years has seen our crowds go up significantly to what they were only 15 years ago. You go back 20 years and there is no comparison to what were getting in the few seasons before and including the premier league. From crowds of less than 4,000 to getting 35,000+ versus Hereford in the 3rd tier of English football and 36,000+ against Everton in the FA Cup showed us at the time that we had the catchment area and potential to draw in huge crowds.

Unfortunately, despite what some fans may say in respect of a few Wembley finals and a season in the premier league, we still haven't had, in my opinion, sustained success. I'm talking about probably 20 years or so as an established premier league team. This gives you a chance to build a generation of fans. During this time young fans who started supporting City at the age of nine or ten will have their own kids and naturally bring them up to support Cardiff rather than Man Utd or Liverpool. And you just watch the generation of Man City fans who will naturally spring up in South Wales now that they look ready to sweep the board.

A generation of City fans supporting a premier league team gives a chance for the Club hierarchy to build on the success and embed that support into the local schools, youth organisations and time to make connections with ethnic groups, students and women, all of whom are under represented at our Club. Teams like Liverpool, Everton, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle have established themselves in the premier league on a long term basis, apart from Newcastle's one or two little blips and Man City of course.

If Cardiff can get back into the top league and stay there for a long period, people in the Cardiff area and our natural catchment areas of the Valleys and Vale of Glamorgan will start to get used to the idea of Cardiff being a premier league club and that breeds a sense of pride in the team and the Club and the area we all come from. That type of pride, passion and support for the Club will become embedded in the area and would even then survive a shortish period out side of the premier league, as we've recently seen with Newcastle and west Ham, whose crowds largely held up in the Championship because they had high levels of well established support within their localities. Cardiff are nowhere near that level at the moment. Yes we can take 35,000 to Wembley or fill the Millenniium Stadium (won't call it principality...sorry) for a home tie against Man Utd in the FA Cup but we will not get regular crowds of over 40,000 until we get a long established period of premier league football.

I absolutely agree 100%. The Premier League has changed football support. Local pride now needs to be earned rather than taken for granted. The key is to build a young generation of Cardiff fans by gaining success.