UPDATED ' WHAT WILL THE HEIRACHY THINK ? '

If you are on a trawler and the seagulls are following you it is time to catch a train.

Thank you Eric!

What a way to inspire your team ?

Today we played against a team of stars which cost a fortune to assemble.

We were clearly 2 nd best, but does anyone really expect us to be at the same level as them ?

On the other hand the singing before the game, started by a group of youngsters was superb and in fairness to those youngsters they hardly stopped.

In contrast Derbyshire fans were poor , out of 28k only a handful sung and the rest only perked up for 5 minutes after the first goal.
Not a lot better than us at our half empty ground

In fairness to the youngsters they spent 85 minutes trying to "inspire" the team only to be rewarded by a typically lacklustre, uninspiring, unadventurous, backwards and sideways passing, slow and toothless performance by the team.

Derby a team of stars? Do me a favour- they were a hard working slightly above average team who quickly worked out that we had no intention of offering any real threat and that once they got into the lead it was only going to be by them making a mistake that we would get back into the game.

Yes Derby fans were poor - again it proves that if you have a decent team and manager you don't need drums or big flags or passionate fans to "inspire" your team to win games.

Our away support has been superb all season and for many seasons gone by. We could have 100,000 nutters screaming fanatical support for the entire 90 minutes and it would make absolutely no difference to the tepid, boring crap being served up on the field at the moment.

I think it's good occassionally to be reminded by the fans when their performance deserves the kind of criticism they received at the end of the game today.

Didn't see Russell come over to acknowledge over 1000 travelling fans today either - probably just as well.

Derby ARE a team of stars, they have spent a fortune in the last 2 seasons, developing a side who were already good.

Once, Bent, Martin,Keogh, Weimann, Shackall are all top players at this level, their wage bill must be eye watering and they are gambling on promotion.

They probably have the strongest squad in the division. They were the preseason bookies favourites to go up and are a form side.
If you think they are 'slightly above average' then your analysis loses all credibility.

I think David's is saying based on today they didn't look like stars but maybe they are on paper. Your right they have gambled, I don't think they will go up.

They murdered us today, kept the ball well, created loads of chances, used the whole width of the pitch ( unlike us ) , passed it well and could have won 4 or 5 nil if it wasn't for us having such an outstanding goalie.

They looked to me the best we've played and I've seen us against all the top sides except Burnley. Brighton were excellent but not sharp in front of goal. Hull and Boro were both 2 nd best in midfield vs us, but both had strong defences and Hull were sharp up front.

They are nailed on top 6 and probably one of 4 sides who will claim the top 2 spots. Derby, Boro, Hull and Burnley.

I'd put Boro as 4 th out of those come May, but too close to call on the other 3, certainly until Ive seen Burnley next week

Tim, you are clearly a natural optimist which is usually a trait to be admired. However when something is bad the best option is usually to address the issue sooner rather than later before it spreads and does too much damage. I believe we have a bunch of fairly decent individuals who have proved that when they work for each other they can get a decent result.

The only two games where I've enjoyed the football this year have been Hull (lost but played well) and Reading, most of the rest of the time has been a frustrating chore and Slade seems utterly incapable of motivating the players or adjusting tactics. His pre match amble usually bigs up the opposition and down plays our chances, it often feels like we've lost before a ball has been kicked.

It must be bad to bring me out of my message board slumber. I think he's clueless and has to go, and if we have to hurt his feelings a bit along the way to make that happen then so be it, I genuinely think it will be for the long term benefit of the club.

What a way to inspire your team ?

Today we played against a team of stars which cost a fortune to assemble.

We were clearly 2 nd best, but does anyone really expect us to be at the same level as them ?

On the other hand the singing before the game, started by a group of youngsters was superb and in fairness to those youngsters they hardly stopped.

In contrast Derbyshire fans were poor , out of 28k only a handful sung and the rest only perked up for 5 minutes after the first goal.
Not a lot better than us at our half empty ground

In fairness to the youngsters they spent 85 minutes trying to "inspire" the team only to be rewarded by a typically lacklustre, uninspiring, unadventurous, backwards and sideways passing, slow and toothless performance by the team.

Derby a team of stars? Do me a favour- they were a hard working slightly above average team who quickly worked out that we had no intention of offering any real threat and that once they got into the lead it was only going to be by them making a mistake that we would get back into the game.

Yes Derby fans were poor - again it proves that if you have a decent team and manager you don't need drums or big flags or passionate fans to "inspire" your team to win games.

Our away support has been superb all season and for many seasons gone by. We could have 100,000 nutters screaming fanatical support for the entire 90 minutes and it would make absolutely no difference to the tepid, boring crap being served up on the field at the moment.

I think it's good occassionally to be reminded by the fans when their performance deserves the kind of criticism they received at the end of the game today.

Didn't see Russell come over to acknowledge over 1000 travelling fans today either - probably just as well.

Derby ARE a team of stars, they have spent a fortune in the last 2 seasons, developing a side who were already good.

Once, Bent, Martin,Keogh, Weimann, Shackall are all top players at this level, their wage bill must be eye watering and they are gambling on promotion.

They probably have the strongest squad in the division. They were the preseason bookies favourites to go up and are a form side.
If you think they are 'slightly above average' then your analysis loses all credibility.

I think David's is saying based on today they didn't look like stars but maybe they are on paper. Your right they have gambled, I don't think they will go up.

They murdered us today, kept the ball well, created loads of chances, used the whole width of the pitch ( unlike us ) , passed it well and could have won 4 or 5 nil if it wasn't for us having such an outstanding goalie.

They looked to me the best we've played and I've seen us against all the top sides except Burnley. Brighton were excellent but not sharp in front of goal. Hull and Boro were both 2 nd best in midfield vs us, but both had strong defences and Hull were sharp up front.

They are nailed on top 6 and probably one of 4 sides who will claim the top 2 spots. Derby, Boro, Hull and Burnley.

I'd put Boro as 4 th out of those come May, but too close to call on the other 3, certainly until Ive seen Burnley next week

Tim, you are clearly a natural optimist which is usually a trait to be admired. However when something is bad the best option is usually to address the issue sooner rather than later before it spreads and does too much damage. I believe we have a bunch of fairly decent individuals who have proved that when they work for each other they can get a decent result.

The only two games where I've enjoyed the football this year have been Hull (lost but played well) and Reading, most of the rest of the time has been a frustrating chore and Slade seems utterly incapable of motivating the players or adjusting tactics. His pre match amble usually bigs up the opposition and down plays our chances, it often feels like we've lost before a ball has been kicked.

It must be bad to bring me out of my message board slumber. I think he's clueless and has to go, and if we have to hurt his feelings a bit along the way to make that happen then so be it, I genuinely think it will be for the long term benefit of the club.

Hear hear!

The fans that travel away can sing what they like..... if you don't travel away you have no right to criticise because you don't know what it's like to travel 100s of miles with no reward. ..

Eh?

You go away or home for that matter to support team not to call them Shi'ite?? Regardless of playing like it, criticise yes but I'm sure it helped team play better knowing fans support them with such chants?

I agree that those chants wouldn't have encouraged the players but the fact of the mattter is that even when the fans, particularly the away fans, sing , cheer and back the team for the entire 90 minutes there is very rarely any positive response from the peformance of the players.

Fans like to think that if they get behind the team as much as they can then the team will response in a positive manner - certainly most of the away performances this season have shown this to be untrue.

Sean, yes, rightly or wrongly I will look for positives.
However my main point in this post was to put things into context.

Derby are a better side with far more resources and when considering yesterday's result/ performance then we need to beat that in mind.

If we don't then we are making an unfair judgement.

In terms of Slade then he's had s tough job and given the circumstances hasn't done too bad.

The football and performances are largely poor, but the results are reasonably good.

The question is 'would a new manager improve our overall position' ?
And then 'who could we actually attract in given the constraints he'd have to work to ?'

There is the possibility it could get worse.
There are decent clubs below us who would quickly jump over us if we make the wrong move.
I don't think there's many here with the heart for a relegation battle.

If that's true and it obviously is then it just goes to show how poisonous our fan base has become.

I understand people get frustrated but we are 9th, 3 points off the play offs and yes we got turned over badly by a side who aside of a local derby defeat are in a tremendous run of form and have been knocking on the door for a few seasons now.

Chanting 'we are shit, we are shit, we are shit' ... lost for words to be honest..whats happened to us?

Couldn't agree more

Agreed. Embarrassment. Our fans have 0 bottle anymore.

Sean, yes, rightly or wrongly I will look for positives.
However my main point in this post was to put things into context.

Derby are a better side with far more resources and when considering yesterday's result/ performance then we need to beat that in mind.

If we don't then we are making an unfair judgement.

In terms of Slade then he's had s tough job and given the circumstances hasn't done too bad.

The football and performances are largely poor, but the results are reasonably good.

The question is 'would a new manager improve our overall position' ?
And then 'who could we actually attract in given the constraints he'd have to work to ?'

There is the possibility it could get worse.
There are decent clubs below us who would quickly jump over us if we make the wrong move.
I don't think there's many here with the heart for a relegation battle.

Keeping it simple Tim.

We were poor at Leeds. We had Whitts playing in a central position. We lost 1-0 and made a poor Leeds team look reasonable.

The following game against Reading and without a Whiits we won 2-0. The main contributing factor is having Ralls to replace Whiits.

Then yesterday we find Whitts back with Ralls push out wide. We lose 2-0 playing some of the most none committed football we have not seen for a while.

It is very difficult to defend such management decisions and Slade has showed that. The response he got from the LOYAL yesterday is deserved. It is not often the away support react like that but when they do it is usually justified.

Sean, yes, rightly or wrongly I will look for positives.
However my main point in this post was to put things into context.

Derby are a better side with far more resources and when considering yesterday's result/ performance then we need to beat that in mind.

If we don't then we are making an unfair judgement.

In terms of Slade then he's had s tough job and given the circumstances hasn't done too bad.

The football and performances are largely poor, but the results are reasonably good.

The question is 'would a new manager improve our overall position' ?
And then 'who could we actually attract in given the constraints he'd have to work to ?'

There is the possibility it could get worse.
There are decent clubs below us who would quickly jump over us if we make the wrong move.
I don't think there's many here with the heart for a relegation battle.

Keeping it simple Tim.

We were poor at Leeds. We had Whitts playing in a central position. We lost 1-0 and made a poor Leeds team look reasonable.

The following game against Reading and without a Whiits we won 2-0. The main contributing factor is having Ralls to replace Whiits.

Then yesterday we find Whitts back with Ralls push out wide. We lose 2-0 playing some of the most none committed football we have not seen for a while.

It is very difficult to defend such management decisions and Slade has showed that. The response he got from the LOYAL yesterday is deserved. It is not often the away support react like that but when they do it is usually justified.

Good response Baked!

And before anyone tries to rush to Slade's defence by pointing out the obvious that Gunnar and Pilkington were unfit yesterday, its no excuse to bring Whittingham back. Slade should have gone 4-5-1 against Derby or, in my opinion, rather a 4-2-3-1 with Ralls in the centre alongside Noone snd Kennedy and O'keefe and Digkacoi the two holding midfielders behind,

Sean, yes, rightly or wrongly I will look for positives.
However my main point in this post was to put things into context.

Derby are a better side with far more resources and when considering yesterday's result/ performance then we need to beat that in mind.

If we don't then we are making an unfair judgement.

In terms of Slade then he's had s tough job and given the circumstances hasn't done too bad.

The football and performances are largely poor, but the results are reasonably good.

The question is 'would a new manager improve our overall position' ?
And then 'who could we actually attract in given the constraints he'd have to work to ?'

There is the possibility it could get worse.
There are decent clubs below us who would quickly jump over us if we make the wrong move.
I don't think there's many here with the heart for a relegation battle.

Keeping it simple Tim.

We were poor at Leeds. We had Whitts playing in a central position. We lost 1-0 and made a poor Leeds team look reasonable.

The following game against Reading and without a Whiits we won 2-0. The main contributing factor is having Ralls to replace Whiits.

Then yesterday we find Whitts back with Ralls push out wide. We lose 2-0 playing some of the most none committed football we have not seen for a while.

It is very difficult to defend such management decisions and Slade has showed that. The response he got from the LOYAL yesterday is deserved. It is not often the away support react like that but when they do it is usually justified.

Good response Baked!

And before anyone tries to rush to Slade's defence by pointing out the obvious that Gunnar and Pilkington were unfit yesterday, its no excuse to bring Whittingham back. Slade should have gone 4-5-1 against Derby or, in my opinion, rather a 4-2-3-1 with Ralls in the centre alongside Noone snd Kennedy and O'keefe and Digkacoi the two holding midfielders behind,

Imagine the slating he would have got had he picked O'Keefe and we lost?

What will the heirachy at Cardiff City think of today's chant by City fans late in the game ?

'We're f*cking shit, we're f*cking shit, we're f*cking shit !! '


" UPDATED "

Media Wales 22/11/2015

The travelling Cardiff fans, who deserve a medal really on a freezing afternoon, summed it up best when they starting singing in the end that their side was rubbish (not their word actually) and they knew it. Gallows humour indeed, but as always that joviality contains a lot of truth.

Its the same hierarchy that think we are ungrateful for Tans input. So does it really matter what they think.

Money is the only thing that they listen to, most of us have paid up for this season so they won't worry until the early season tickets sales don't take off, then they play their ace card that Slade is leaving at the end of the season.

What a way to inspire your team ?

Today we played against a team of stars which cost a fortune to assemble.

We were clearly 2 nd best, but does anyone really expect us to be at the same level as them ?

On the other hand the singing before the game, started by a group of youngsters was superb and in fairness to those youngsters they hardly stopped.

In contrast Derbyshire fans were poor , out of 28k only a handful sung and the rest only perked up for 5 minutes after the first goal.
Not a lot better than us at our half empty ground

In fairness to the youngsters they spent 85 minutes trying to "inspire" the team only to be rewarded by a typically lacklustre, uninspiring, unadventurous, backwards and sideways passing, slow and toothless performance by the team.

Derby a team of stars? Do me a favour- they were a hard working slightly above average team who quickly worked out that we had no intention of offering any real threat and that once they got into the lead it was only going to be by them making a mistake that we would get back into the game.

Yes Derby fans were poor - again it proves that if you have a decent team and manager you don't need drums or big flags or passionate fans to "inspire" your team to win games.

Our away support has been superb all season and for many seasons gone by. We could have 100,000 nutters screaming fanatical support for the entire 90 minutes and it would make absolutely no difference to the tepid, boring crap being served up on the field at the moment.

I think it's good occassionally to be reminded by the fans when their performance deserves the kind of criticism they received at the end of the game today.

Didn't see Russell come over to acknowledge over 1000 travelling fans today either - probably just as well.

Derby ARE a team of stars, they have spent a fortune in the last 2 seasons, developing a side who were already good.

Once, Bent, Martin,Keogh, Weimann, Shackall are all top players at this level, their wage bill must be eye watering and they are gambling on promotion.

They probably have the strongest squad in the division. They were the preseason bookies favourites to go up and are a form side.
If you think they are 'slightly above average' then your analysis loses all credibility.

I think David's is saying based on today they didn't look like stars but maybe they are on paper. Your right they have gambled, I don't think they will go up.

They murdered us today, kept the ball well, created loads of chances, used the whole width of the pitch ( unlike us ) , passed it well and could have won 4 or 5 nil if it wasn't for us having such an outstanding goalie.

They looked to me the best we've played and I've seen us against all the top sides except Burnley. Brighton were excellent but not sharp in front of goal. Hull and Boro were both 2 nd best in midfield vs us, but both had strong defences and Hull were sharp up front.

They are nailed on top 6 and probably one of 4 sides who will claim the top 2 spots. Derby, Boro, Hull and Burnley.

I'd put Boro as 4 th out of those come May, but too close to call on the other 3, certainly until Ive seen Burnley next week

Tim, you are clearly a natural optimist which is usually a trait to be admired. However when something is bad the best option is usually to address the issue sooner rather than later before it spreads and does too much damage. I believe we have a bunch of fairly decent individuals who have proved that when they work for each other they can get a decent result.

The only two games where I've enjoyed the football this year have been Hull (lost but played well) and Reading, most of the rest of the time has been a frustrating chore and Slade seems utterly incapable of motivating the players or adjusting tactics. His pre match amble usually bigs up the opposition and down plays our chances, it often feels like we've lost before a ball has been kicked.

It must be bad to bring me out of my message board slumber. I think he's clueless and has to go, and if we have to hurt his feelings a bit along the way to make that happen then so be it, I genuinely think it will be for the long term benefit of the club.

Hear hear!

What will the heirachy think?... I honestly don't know, I do know this though, they will bury their heads ever deeper in the sand

Sean, yes, rightly or wrongly I will look for positives.
However my main point in this post was to put things into context.

Derby are a better side with far more resources and when considering yesterday's result/ performance then we need to beat that in mind.

If we don't then we are making an unfair judgement.

In terms of Slade then he's had s tough job and given the circumstances hasn't done too bad.

The football and performances are largely poor, but the results are reasonably good.

The question is 'would a new manager improve our overall position' ?
And then 'who could we actually attract in given the constraints he'd have to work to ?'

There is the possibility it could get worse.
There are decent clubs below us who would quickly jump over us if we make the wrong move.
I don't think there's many here with the heart for a relegation battle.

Keeping it simple Tim.

We were poor at Leeds. We had Whitts playing in a central position. We lost 1-0 and made a poor Leeds team look reasonable.

The following game against Reading and without a Whiits we won 2-0. The main contributing factor is having Ralls to replace Whiits.

Then yesterday we find Whitts back with Ralls push out wide. We lose 2-0 playing some of the most none committed football we have not seen for a while.

It is very difficult to defend such management decisions and Slade has showed that. The response he got from the LOYAL yesterday is deserved. It is not often the away support react like that but when they do it is usually justified.

Good response Baked!

And before anyone tries to rush to Slade's defence by pointing out the obvious that Gunnar and Pilkington were unfit yesterday, its no excuse to bring Whittingham back. Slade should have gone 4-5-1 against Derby or, in my opinion, rather a 4-2-3-1 with Ralls in the centre alongside Noone snd Kennedy and O'keefe and Digkacoi the two holding midfielders behind,

I would have gone 4-5-1 as well , however I don't think chants like that when we are still getting reasonable results overall are helpful at all.

Sean, yes, rightly or wrongly I will look for positives.
However my main point in this post was to put things into context.

Derby are a better side with far more resources and when considering yesterday's result/ performance then we need to beat that in mind.

If we don't then we are making an unfair judgement.

In terms of Slade then he's had s tough job and given the circumstances hasn't done too bad.

The football and performances are largely poor, but the results are reasonably good.

The question is 'would a new manager improve our overall position' ?
And then 'who could we actually attract in given the constraints he'd have to work to ?'

There is the possibility it could get worse.
There are decent clubs below us who would quickly jump over us if we make the wrong move.
I don't think there's many here with the heart for a relegation battle.

Keeping it simple Tim.

We were poor at Leeds. We had Whitts playing in a central position. We lost 1-0 and made a poor Leeds team look reasonable.

The following game against Reading and without a Whiits we won 2-0. The main contributing factor is having Ralls to replace Whiits.

Then yesterday we find Whitts back with Ralls push out wide. We lose 2-0 playing some of the most none committed football we have not seen for a while.

It is very difficult to defend such management decisions and Slade has showed that. The response he got from the LOYAL yesterday is deserved. It is not often the away support react like that but when they do it is usually justified.

Good response Baked!

And before anyone tries to rush to Slade's defence by pointing out the obvious that Gunnar and Pilkington were unfit yesterday, its no excuse to bring Whittingham back. Slade should have gone 4-5-1 against Derby or, in my opinion, rather a 4-2-3-1 with Ralls in the centre alongside Noone snd Kennedy and O'keefe and Digkacoi the two holding midfielders behind,

Imagine the slating he would have got had he picked O'Keefe and we lost?

But that's what good managers do. If we had put in a better performance than yesterday's I think he would have come out with more credit. The man is fumbling around in the dark.

Sean, yes, rightly or wrongly I will look for positives.
However my main point in this post was to put things into context.

Derby are a better side with far more resources and when considering yesterday's result/ performance then we need to beat that in mind.

If we don't then we are making an unfair judgement.

In terms of Slade then he's had s tough job and given the circumstances hasn't done too bad.

The football and performances are largely poor, but the results are reasonably good.

The question is 'would a new manager improve our overall position' ?
And then 'who could we actually attract in given the constraints he'd have to work to ?'

There is the possibility it could get worse.
There are decent clubs below us who would quickly jump over us if we make the wrong move.
I don't think there's many here with the heart for a relegation battle.

Keeping it simple Tim.

We were poor at Leeds. We had Whitts playing in a central position. We lost 1-0 and made a poor Leeds team look reasonable.

The following game against Reading and without a Whiits we won 2-0. The main contributing factor is having Ralls to replace Whiits.

Then yesterday we find Whitts back with Ralls push out wide. We lose 2-0 playing some of the most none committed football we have not seen for a while.

It is very difficult to defend such management decisions and Slade has showed that. The response he got from the LOYAL yesterday is deserved. It is not often the away support react like that but when they do it is usually justified.

Good response Baked!

And before anyone tries to rush to Slade's defence by pointing out the obvious that Gunnar and Pilkington were unfit yesterday, its no excuse to bring Whittingham back. Slade should have gone 4-5-1 against Derby or, in my opinion, rather a 4-2-3-1 with Ralls in the centre alongside Noone snd Kennedy and O'keefe and Digkacoi the two holding midfielders behind,

I would have gone 4-5-1 as well , however I don't think chants like that when we are still getting reasonable results overall are helpful at all.

I've got to be honest I think this is really much of a non story Tim. People pissed off after a long disappointing trip just having a bit of a funny rant. It'll be water off the player's backs as long as they're still getting their £5k a week! More importantly though I think its up to us supporters to keep vigilant for the club's sake and not accept any old shit thrown at us. We are the guardians of the club's future and no one else. I see no reason why we should accept such poor management at least without showing our feelings. I take your point about where we are in the League but do you really think we'd be anywhere near such a lofty position without David Marshall?

Sean, yes, rightly or wrongly I will look for positives.
However my main point in this post was to put things into context.

Derby are a better side with far more resources and when considering yesterday's result/ performance then we need to beat that in mind.

If we don't then we are making an unfair judgement.

In terms of Slade then he's had s tough job and given the circumstances hasn't done too bad.

The football and performances are largely poor, but the results are reasonably good.

The question is 'would a new manager improve our overall position' ?
And then 'who could we actually attract in given the constraints he'd have to work to ?'

There is the possibility it could get worse.
There are decent clubs below us who would quickly jump over us if we make the wrong move.
I don't think there's many here with the heart for a relegation battle.

Keeping it simple Tim.

We were poor at Leeds. We had Whitts playing in a central position. We lost 1-0 and made a poor Leeds team look reasonable.

The following game against Reading and without a Whiits we won 2-0. The main contributing factor is having Ralls to replace Whiits.

Then yesterday we find Whitts back with Ralls push out wide. We lose 2-0 playing some of the most none committed football we have not seen for a while.

It is very difficult to defend such management decisions and Slade has showed that. The response he got from the LOYAL yesterday is deserved. It is not often the away support react like that but when they do it is usually justified.

Good response Baked!

And before anyone tries to rush to Slade's defence by pointing out the obvious that Gunnar and Pilkington were unfit yesterday, its no excuse to bring Whittingham back. Slade should have gone 4-5-1 against Derby or, in my opinion, rather a 4-2-3-1 with Ralls in the centre alongside Noone snd Kennedy and O'keefe and Digkacoi the two holding midfielders behind,

I would have gone 4-5-1 as well , however I don't think chants like that when we are still getting reasonable results overall are helpful at all.

I've got to be honest I think this is really much of a non story Tim. People pissed off after a long disappointing trip just having a bit of a funny rant. It'll be water off the player's backs as long as they're still getting their £5k a week! More importantly though I think its up to us supporters to keep vigilant for the club's sake and not accept any old shit thrown at us. We are the guardians of the club's future and no one else. I see no reason why we should accept such poor management at least without showing our feelings. I take your point about where we are in the League but do you really think we'd be anywhere near such a lofty position without David Marshall?

Marshall is our player, so I don't see the relevance in that.

I'm also a custodian of the club and think we'd achieve a hell of a lot more if we all got behind the people running the club without the constant negativity, often without consideration of what the bigger picture is.

If we were 17th and losing to the likes of Charlton or Bolton at home I would be right with it, but we lost to a top side yesterday so the response IMHO is an over reaction.

We've got a few tough games coming up, so there's a good chance this will get worse.

I agree on one thing, most singing were probably doing it ironically.
Didn't seem funny to me though.

Sean, yes, rightly or wrongly I will look for positives.
However my main point in this post was to put things into context.

Derby are a better side with far more resources and when considering yesterday's result/ performance then we need to beat that in mind.

If we don't then we are making an unfair judgement.

In terms of Slade then he's had s tough job and given the circumstances hasn't done too bad.

The football and performances are largely poor, but the results are reasonably good.

The question is 'would a new manager improve our overall position' ?
And then 'who could we actually attract in given the constraints he'd have to work to ?'

There is the possibility it could get worse.
There are decent clubs below us who would quickly jump over us if we make the wrong move.
I don't think there's many here with the heart for a relegation battle.

Keeping it simple Tim.

We were poor at Leeds. We had Whitts playing in a central position. We lost 1-0 and made a poor Leeds team look reasonable.

The following game against Reading and without a Whiits we won 2-0. The main contributing factor is having Ralls to replace Whiits.

Then yesterday we find Whitts back with Ralls push out wide. We lose 2-0 playing some of the most none committed football we have not seen for a while.

It is very difficult to defend such management decisions and Slade has showed that. The response he got from the LOYAL yesterday is deserved. It is not often the away support react like that but when they do it is usually justified.

Good response Baked!

And before anyone tries to rush to Slade's defence by pointing out the obvious that Gunnar and Pilkington were unfit yesterday, its no excuse to bring Whittingham back. Slade should have gone 4-5-1 against Derby or, in my opinion, rather a 4-2-3-1 with Ralls in the centre alongside Noone snd Kennedy and O'keefe and Digkacoi the two holding midfielders behind,

I would have gone 4-5-1 as well , however I don't think chants like that when we are still getting reasonable results overall are helpful at all.

I've got to be honest I think this is really much of a non story Tim. People pissed off after a long disappointing trip just having a bit of a funny rant. It'll be water off the player's backs as long as they're still getting their £5k a week! More importantly though I think its up to us supporters to keep vigilant for the club's sake and not accept any old shit thrown at us. We are the guardians of the club's future and no one else. I see no reason why we should accept such poor management at least without showing our feelings. I take your point about where we are in the League but do you really think we'd be anywhere near such a lofty position without David Marshall?

Marshall is our player, so I don't see the relevance in that.

I'm also a custodian of the club and think we'd achieve a hell of a lot more if we all got behind the people running the club without the constant negativity, often without consideration of what the bigger picture is.

If we were 17th and losing to the likes of Charlton or Bolton at home I would be right with it, but we lost to a top side yesterday so the response IMHO is an over reaction.

We've got a few tough games coming up, so there's a good chance this will get worse.

I agree on one thing, most singing were probably doing it ironically.
Didn't seem funny to me though.

We all find different things funny I suppose Tim. I realise Marshall is our player; the point I'm trying to make is that it is because of him we are so high up the league and not much else. Maybe that doesn't worry you but it worries me. And I don't believe in blind subservience. If things are wrong we should state it in my opinion.

Sean, yes, rightly or wrongly I will look for positives.
However my main point in this post was to put things into context.

Derby are a better side with far more resources and when considering yesterday's result/ performance then we need to beat that in mind.

If we don't then we are making an unfair judgement.

In terms of Slade then he's had s tough job and given the circumstances hasn't done too bad.

The football and performances are largely poor, but the results are reasonably good.

The question is 'would a new manager improve our overall position' ?
And then 'who could we actually attract in given the constraints he'd have to work to ?'

There is the possibility it could get worse.
There are decent clubs below us who would quickly jump over us if we make the wrong move.
I don't think there's many here with the heart for a relegation battle.

Keeping it simple Tim.

We were poor at Leeds. We had Whitts playing in a central position. We lost 1-0 and made a poor Leeds team look reasonable.

The following game against Reading and without a Whiits we won 2-0. The main contributing factor is having Ralls to replace Whiits.

Then yesterday we find Whitts back with Ralls push out wide. We lose 2-0 playing some of the most none committed football we have not seen for a while.

It is very difficult to defend such management decisions and Slade has showed that. The response he got from the LOYAL yesterday is deserved. It is not often the away support react like that but when they do it is usually justified.

Good response Baked!

And before anyone tries to rush to Slade's defence by pointing out the obvious that Gunnar and Pilkington were unfit yesterday, its no excuse to bring Whittingham back. Slade should have gone 4-5-1 against Derby or, in my opinion, rather a 4-2-3-1 with Ralls in the centre alongside Noone snd Kennedy and O'keefe and Digkacoi the two holding midfielders behind,

I would have gone 4-5-1 as well , however I don't think chants like that when we are still getting reasonable results overall are helpful at all.

I've got to be honest I think this is really much of a non story Tim. People pissed off after a long disappointing trip just having a bit of a funny rant. It'll be water off the player's backs as long as they're still getting their £5k a week! More importantly though I think its up to us supporters to keep vigilant for the club's sake and not accept any old shit thrown at us. We are the guardians of the club's future and no one else. I see no reason why we should accept such poor management at least without showing our feelings. I take your point about where we are in the League but do you really think we'd be anywhere near such a lofty position without David Marshall?

Marshall is our player, so I don't see the relevance in that.

I'm also a custodian of the club and think we'd achieve a hell of a lot more if we all got behind the people running the club without the constant negativity, often without consideration of what the bigger picture is.

If we were 17th and losing to the likes of Charlton or Bolton at home I would be right with it, but we lost to a top side yesterday so the response IMHO is an over reaction.

We've got a few tough games coming up, so there's a good chance this will get worse.

I agree on one thing, most singing were probably doing it ironically.
Didn't seem funny to me though.

We all find different things funny I suppose Tim. I realise Marshall is our player; the point I'm trying to make is that it is because of him we are so high up the league and not much else. Maybe that doesn't worry you but it worries me. And I don't believe in blind subservience. If things are wrong we should state it in my opinion.

Marshall has been superb I'm quite a few games, but the whole back 5 has performed well this season, don't forget Marshshall has missed 1/3 of the season.

Crediting our decent points jail on Marshall doesn't do justice for the rest of the side.

IMHO it's not blind subservience, it's giving people a fair chance and judging things in context.

As I said, if we were 17 th and taking hammerings then I'd be saying he has to go too, but for now I worry more about what would happen if we brought someone new in who could destabilise things further.

What a way to inspire your team ?

Today we played against a team of stars which cost a fortune to assemble.

We were clearly 2 nd best, but does anyone really expect us to be at the same level as them ?

On the other hand the singing before the game, started by a group of youngsters was superb and in fairness to those youngsters they hardly stopped.

In contrast Derbyshire fans were poor , out of 28k only a handful sung and the rest only perked up for 5 minutes after the first goal.
Not a lot better than us at our half empty ground

Well done to the youngsters, keep it up. With regards Derby fans I watched Bristol City on sky they took the piss we were quiet it was like a library!! Modern football, away fans is the only atmosphere

Derby out sang us for much of the game after 35 minutes, as we started retreating into our shells, Derby continually sang, Can you hear Cardiff sing? to no response from us-it got embarrassing. Not blaming our fans, cause there was nothing to sing about and the writing was already on the wall. The fact is, that our support is not a patch on what it used to be

If that's true and it obviously is then it just goes to show how poisonous our fan base has become.

I understand people get frustrated but we are 9th, 3 points off the play offs and yes we got turned over badly by a side who aside of a local derby defeat are in a tremendous run of form and have been knocking on the door for a few seasons now.

Chanting 'we are shit, we are shit, we are shit' ... lost for words to be honest..whats happened to us?

Couldn't agree more

Agreed. Embarrassment. Our fans have 0 bottle anymore.

Personally I found it embarrassing, but typical of what today's supporters are all about. Its not their fault, if you are treated as no better than paying customers, then why the feck should they hold their piece?

What a way to inspire your team ?

Today we played against a team of stars which cost a fortune to assemble.

We were clearly 2 nd best, but does anyone really expect us to be at the same level as them ?

On the other hand the singing before the game, started by a group of youngsters was superb and in fairness to those youngsters they hardly stopped.

In contrast Derbyshire fans were poor , out of 28k only a handful sung and the rest only perked up for 5 minutes after the first goal.
Not a lot better than us at our half empty ground

Well done to the youngsters, keep it up. With regards Derby fans I watched Bristol City on sky they took the piss we were quiet it was like a library!! Modern football, away fans is the only atmosphere

Derby out sang us for much of the game after 35 minutes, as we started retreating into our shells, Derby continually sang, Can you hear Cardiff sing? to no response from us-it got embarrassing. Not blaming our fans, cause there was nothing to sing about and the writing was already on the wall. The fact is, that our support is not a patch on what it used to be

It was only about 20 Derby fans singing that, until they scored that was all the noise they made.

The group at the back of our stand sang pretty much up until the end

Sean, yes, rightly or wrongly I will look for positives.
However my main point in this post was to put things into context.

Derby are a better side with far more resources and when considering yesterday's result/ performance then we need to beat that in mind.

If we don't then we are making an unfair judgement.

In terms of Slade then he's had s tough job and given the circumstances hasn't done too bad.

The football and performances are largely poor, but the results are reasonably good.

The question is 'would a new manager improve our overall position' ?
And then 'who could we actually attract in given the constraints he'd have to work to ?'

There is the possibility it could get worse.
There are decent clubs below us who would quickly jump over us if we make the wrong move.
I don't think there's many here with the heart for a relegation battle.

Keeping it simple Tim.

We were poor at Leeds. We had Whitts playing in a central position. We lost 1-0 and made a poor Leeds team look reasonable.

The following game against Reading and without a Whiits we won 2-0. The main contributing factor is having Ralls to replace Whiits.

Then yesterday we find Whitts back with Ralls push out wide. We lose 2-0 playing some of the most none committed football we have not seen for a while.

It is very difficult to defend such management decisions and Slade has showed that. The response he got from the LOYAL yesterday is deserved. It is not often the away support react like that but when they do it is usually justified.

Good response Baked!

And before anyone tries to rush to Slade's defence by pointing out the obvious that Gunnar and Pilkington were unfit yesterday, its no excuse to bring Whittingham back. Slade should have gone 4-5-1 against Derby or, in my opinion, rather a 4-2-3-1 with Ralls in the centre alongside Noone snd Kennedy and O'keefe and Digkacoi the two holding midfielders behind,

I would have gone 4-5-1 as well , however I don't think chants like that when we are still getting reasonable results overall are helpful at all.

I've got to be honest I think this is really much of a non story Tim. People pissed off after a long disappointing trip just having a bit of a funny rant. It'll be water off the player's backs as long as they're still getting their £5k a week! More importantly though I think its up to us supporters to keep vigilant for the club's sake and not accept any old shit thrown at us. We are the guardians of the club's future and no one else. I see no reason why we should accept such poor management at least without showing our feelings. I take your point about where we are in the League but do you really think we'd be anywhere near such a lofty position without David Marshall?

Marshall is our player, so I don't see the relevance in that.

I'm also a custodian of the club and think we'd achieve a hell of a lot more if we all got behind the people running the club without the constant negativity, often without consideration of what the bigger picture is.

If we were 17th and losing to the likes of Charlton or Bolton at home I would be right with it, but we lost to a top side yesterday so the response IMHO is an over reaction.

We've got a few tough games coming up, so there's a good chance this will get worse.

I agree on one thing, most singing were probably doing it ironically.
Didn't seem funny to me though.

We all find different things funny I suppose Tim. I realise Marshall is our player; the point I'm trying to make is that it is because of him we are so high up the league and not much else. Maybe that doesn't worry you but it worries me. And I don't believe in blind subservience. If things are wrong we should state it in my opinion.

Marshall has been superb I'm quite a few games, but the whole back 5 has performed well this season, don't forget Marshshall has missed 1/3 of the season.

Crediting our decent points jail on Marshall doesn't do justice for the rest of the side.

IMHO it's not blind subservience, it's giving people a fair chance and judging things in context.

As I said, if we were 17 th and taking hammerings then I'd be saying he has to go too, but for now I worry more about what would happen if we brought someone new in who could destabilise things further.

I take your point about the back 5 they have been good this season but apart from Ralls I'm unsure about the rest. However even if e agree to disagree on some issues, I'm sure you'd agree 4-4-2 was the wrong set up yesterday. It was inviting trouble.

Fao City Slicker.

Yes I definitely think 442 was wrong and also yes, the forward players have overall been poor, maybe KD and Mason first few games have done OK, but the rest have disappointed.

Given the 'loan signing' appears to be Tony Watt it looks like we are still shopping at Lidl.

Any new manager would have to come here on a low salary with next to nothing to spend unless he sold first and do we want to lose Marshall, Ralls or Manga ?

Fao City Slicker.

Yes I definitely think 442 was wrong and also yes, the forward players have overall been poor, maybe KD and Mason first few games have done OK, but the rest have disappointed.

Given the 'loan signing' appears to be Tony Watt it looks like we are still shopping at Lidl.

Any new manager would have to come here on a low salary with next to nothing to spend unless he sold first and do we want to lose Marshall, Ralls or Manga ?

Definitely not those three but there's others we could comfortably lose.

Fao City Slicker.

Yes I definitely think 442 was wrong and also yes, the forward players have overall been poor, maybe KD and Mason first few games have done OK, but the rest have disappointed.

Given the 'loan signing' appears to be Tony Watt it looks like we are still shopping at Lidl.

Any new manager would have to come here on a low salary with next to nothing to spend unless he sold first and do we want to lose Marshall, Ralls or Manga ?

Definitely not those three but there's others we could comfortably lose.

Problem is we wouldn't get a major few for any of the others, so no money for a new manager, or for him to spend.