" Trust making us look berks again. "

I'm sure I've asked before, I can just never remember the answer...what does the supporters trust do that the supporters club doesn't?

I'm obviously missing something, but the only time I hear anything about the supporters trust is making comments in things such as this

Obviously if someone from the Trust wishes to answer then that's fine.

However my understanding is the Supporters Club is literally there to 'Support' the club whilst the 'Trust' has the interests of the supporters as its core value.

They usually bang on about any member of the Trust being a proxy share holder as the Trust holds shares and any member of the Trust is signed up to 1 share of the Trust. The logic sort of works but of course any voting rights are in the hands of the Trust leadership.

In principle the Supporters Trust is a very good idea and we saw it work best in the opposition to the rebrand. But the leadership do wield all lot of power and because so few vote in membership re-elections the Trust Board is not totally reflective of the fan base as a whole only a reflection on those who actually voted.

Of course the Trust Board can't be held responsible for that and if Mr Hartley win's the most votes then he quite rightly leads the organisation, although its an old adage that the Supporters Trust has failed badly to recruit in numbers over the years it has been in existence.

Thank you for clearing that up for me

Funny no replies on here from Trust Members?

Of course there won't be mate. Even they know how stupid this was.

In answer to the posts about whether it was the trust or Tim Hartley speaking? He would have had the chance to say Tim Hartley, chairman of CCST surely?

I did plan on becoming a member.

No thanks now.

The Trust are idiots, we are guests of the English football league, I would imagine most clubs would prefer we weren't in their competition anyway, and if we don't like it we are free to leave it at any time. The Trust as I said earlier, are complete idiots

Thought it was the English league , Sam at one time wanted us to play in the Welsh league and people were not very happy .

Can't remember the Trust complaining when we got promoted into the EPL English premier league as its called

Funny no replies on here from Trust Members?

They won't win this argument annis

Martin, this is why I would not have anything to do with the Trust,they never achieve anything and to think they wanted to be on the Cardiff City board.

Tim Hartley or Keith Morgan, maybe could answer this pathetic statement ?

Funny no replies on here from Trust Members?

May apart from Tim Hartley, who once again steals the limelight, I think they're all too embarrassed, Annis

I feel for the more genuine amongst them, such as Keith Morgan (a man I have a certain respect for)

We are lucky to a large extent that our historic links with English football mean that any push to remove us from the pyramid would likely be laughed out of Court

With friends like Tim Hartley and the hitherto silent Trust, we certainly don't need enemies and I repeat previous comments that they 100% do not represent me. They 'represent' nobody except those few who are daft enough to pay into their coffers!

Funny no replies on here from Trust Members?

May apart from Tim Hartley, who once again steals the limelight, I think they're all too embarrassed, Annis

I feel for the more genuine amongst them, such as Keith Morgan (a man I have a certain respect for)

We are lucky to a large extent that our historic links with English football mean that any push to remove us from the pyramid would likely be laughed out of Court

With friends like Tim Hartley and the hitherto silent Trust, we certainly don't need enemies and I repeat previous comments that they 100% do not represent me. They 'represent' nobody except those few who are daft enough to pay into their coffers!

Well said Chris

Do the trust have a site, forum or email?

Do the trust have a site, forum or email?

I know they have a cheek, but beyond that I'm not sure!

Do the trust have a site, forum or email?

I know they have a cheek, but beyond that I'm not sure!

I like that.

@CCST1927 on Twitter if you'd like to tell them how moronic that statement was.

@CCST1927 on Twitter if you'd like to tell them how moronic that statement was.

Sadly I'm not a twitterite

I'm a member of the Trust and as soon as I saw Hartleys statement I cringed with embarrassment. His statement definitely doesn't speak for me.
The good thing about the Trust, is that they have elections every year and board members can be voted off if enough people stand. This statement from Hartley does himself no favours at all. It's a shame the likes of Corky and Dave Sugarman are no longer involved in the organisation anymore.

I'm a member of the Trust and as soon as I saw Hartleys statement I cringed with embarrassment. His statement definitely doesn't speak for me.
The good thing about the Trust, is that they have elections every year and board members can be voted off if enough people stand. This statement from Hartley does himself no favours at all. It's a shame the likes of Corky and Dave Sugarman are no longer involved in the organisation anymore.

I've seen those elections before Tony Williams of this forum shall I say was not made welcome at all and had no chance, for me it's a closed shop and that's how I feel about them and see it.

@CCST1927 on Twitter if you'd like to tell them how moronic that statement was.

Sadly I'm not a twitterite

They're on Facebook and email is help@ccfctrust.org.

I'm a member of the Trust and as soon as I saw Hartleys statement I cringed with embarrassment. His statement definitely doesn't speak for me.
The good thing about the Trust, is that they have elections every year and board members can be voted off if enough people stand. This statement from Hartley does himself no favours at all. It's a shame the likes of Corky and Dave Sugarman are no longer involved in the organisation anymore.

I've seen those elections before Tony Williams of this forum shall I say was not made welcome at all and had no chance, for me it's a closed shop and that's how I feel about them and see it.

I think the problem is, is that most Trust members don't know the people standing for Trust board membership very well and who they are, so vote for the existing board, I must admit, ive been guilty of this.
If Tony stands again, he'll definitely get my vote. I haven't been impressed by Hartley at all, his latest comments are a total embarrassment.

I'm a member of the Trust and as soon as I saw Hartleys statement I cringed with embarrassment. His statement definitely doesn't speak for me.
The good thing about the Trust, is that they have elections every year and board members can be voted off if enough people stand. This statement from Hartley does himself no favours at all. It's a shame the likes of Corky and Dave Sugarman are no longer involved in the organisation anymore.

I've seen those elections before Tony Williams of this forum shall I say was not made welcome at all and had no chance, for me it's a closed shop and that's how I feel about them and see it.

I think the problem is, is that most Trust members don't know the people standing for Trust board membership very well and who they are, so vote for the existing board, I must admit, ive been guilty of this.
If Tony stands again, he'll definitely get my vote. I haven't been impressed by Hartley at all, his latest comments are a total embarrassment.

Tony, is honest,straight talking , intelligent and sees the real world

Do the trust have a site, forum or email?

Yes

http://www.ccfctrust.org

Funny no replies on here from Trust Members?

They won't win this argument annis

Martin, this is why I would not have anything to do with the Trust,they never achieve anything and to think they wanted to be on the Cardiff City board.

Tim Hartley or Keith Morgan, maybe could answer this pathetic statement ?

they certainly don't represent me annis whatever they ever done to improve anything at our ground don't see them hear them having a go at wayne Nash to improve the atmosphere at the ground or the stewards who like to throw ther wait around with the youngesters

Completely embarrassed by this and once again the trust has made us all look like idiots. I understand the need for a supporters trust but I have never felt connected to ours and can't after the way they have conducted themselves over the years. When the trust makes statements, it should be for the fanbase on important issues not stuff like this.

As this thread proves no one gives a shit that it's called the English football league, iv'e always known it to be the English football league anyway. If this makes you feel less welsh then I suggest you support a welsh league side. This opinion I am afraid is the opinion of Hartley and he's abused his position by making a statement that makes us all look like petulant wankers. We are a Welsh team playing in the English football league.

If you see this reported on facebook etc make sure you comment saying you are a Cardiff fan and you don't care what the leagues called and the majority of us are not offended and fully understand it's the English league.

Does it really matter what it called we play in England

Completely embarrassed by this and once again the trust has made us all look like idiots. I understand the need for a supporters trust but I have never felt connected to ours and can't after the way they have conducted themselves over the years. When the trust makes statements, it should be for the fanbase on important issues not stuff like this.

As this thread proves no one gives a shit that it's called the English football league, iv'e always known it to be the English football league anyway. If this makes you feel less welsh then I suggest you support a welsh league side. This opinion I am afraid is the opinion of Hartley and he's abused his position by making a statement that makes us all look like petulant wankers. We are a Welsh team playing in the English football league.

If you see this reported on facebook etc make sure you comment saying you are a Cardiff fan and you don't care what the leagues called and the majority of us are not offended and fully understand it's the English league.

Agree mate, couldn't have said it better myself.

Completely embarrassed by this and once again the trust has made us all look like idiots. I understand the need for a supporters trust but I have never felt connected to ours and can't after the way they have conducted themselves over the years. When the trust makes statements, it should be for the fanbase on important issues not stuff like this.

As this thread proves no one gives a shit that it's called the English football league, iv'e always known it to be the English football league anyway. If this makes you feel less welsh then I suggest you support a welsh league side. This opinion I am afraid is the opinion of Hartley and he's abused his position by making a statement that makes us all look like petulant wankers. We are a Welsh team playing in the English football league.

If you see this reported on facebook etc make sure you comment saying you are a Cardiff fan and you don't care what the leagues called and the majority of us are not offended and fully understand it's the English league.

Agree mate, couldn't have said it better myself.

Sent this email

Hi,

I would just like to say how embarrassed I am by your chairman's comments regarding the English Football League. It in no way represents the thoughts of sane Cardiff fans and you have brought negative publicity on us at a time when it is not needed or desired.

I hope that you make a statement as an organisation disavowing yourselves from his comments.

Regards

Neil McDonald

Sent from my iPhone

Sent this email

Hi,

I would just like to say how embarrassed I am by your chairman's comments regarding the English Football League. It in no way represents the thoughts of sane Cardiff fans and you have brought negative publicity on us at a time when it is not needed or desired.

I hope that you make a statement as an organisation disavowing yourselves from his comments.

Regards

Neil McDonald

Sent from my iPhone

Spot on Neil

Sent this email

Hi,

I would just like to say how embarrassed I am by your chairman's comments regarding the English Football League. It in no way represents the thoughts of sane Cardiff fans and you have brought negative publicity on us at a time when it is not needed or desired.

I hope that you make a statement as an organisation disavowing yourselves from his comments.

Regards

Neil McDonald

Sent from my iPhone

Nail on the head.

So is everyone a massive supporter of the Football League re-brand, then? I haven't seen much objection to it amongst all the 'embarrassment' and the outrage directed at Tim Hartley and the Trust.

It seems to me it is an expensive and pointless waste of time and money and does nothing to tackle the real problems facing 72 clubs and their supporters. Whether or not the changes are 'insulting' to Cardiff and Newport (Tim Hartley denies using that word to the journalists) I can't see anything in it to get excited about unless I work for the marketing company paid to re-do the logo and the IT and print companies who will be paid to introduce the changes.

I'm a member of the Trust but I don't know Tim Hartley and I don't think any members were consulted before he made his comments (as I doubt many were consulted on the FL re-brand despite the claims), but I'm not embarrassed at all by what he said. Embarrassed a bit by the reaction though. Maybe in hindsight he would have worded it a differently, but his comments were a response to the tripe spouted by the Football League chief executive at the re-brand launch. The media wouldn't have asked any serious questions without the hook of the English/Cardiff/Newport issue.

It seems to me that most of it was dead right. It is worth a bit of controversy to get a discussion going about the real priorities for the Football League. Most of the comments from other clubs' fan sites and blogs that I have read agreed with Tim Hartley that the re-brand was unnecessary and a distraction. No doubt the anti-Welsh comments will follow but that is nothing new and we all know our history and are happy to explain again why Cardiff and other Welsh clubs are established members of the Football League (or sometimes the Barclays Premier League - not English Premier League).

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/champion ... brand.html?

[Sits back and waits for the abuse.]

Funny no replies on here from Trust Members?

They won't win this argument annis

Martin, this is why I would not have anything to do with the Trust,they never achieve anything and to think they wanted to be on the Cardiff City board.

Tim Hartley or Keith Morgan, maybe could answer this pathetic statement ?

Annis

I am more than happy to answer this and would have done so earlier but have only just got in and read this.

The first time I saw Tim's reported comments was when I read them in the press. It is certainly nothing that had been discussed by the Trust board so I can only assume that they are Tim's personal views that the media have attributed to the Trust as a whole.

Keith