" UPDATED RE: POPPY SACKING "

Food hygiene tests say nothing about 'apron materials' whatsoever so where are you getting that type of information from ?

Whilst I completely agree that the explanation hasn't been released yet and needs to be listened too first before people jumping onto any bang wagon. But some of the points you raised are complete nonsense and this is coming from someone who has worked in a few kitchens in the past.

Also may I add that Heart news is worse than MediaWales for the way they cover news so I'd have no doubts that the report won't be as covered as one would like. They try and get other media outlets to buy the story off them but their conversation rate is very low. If I was you mate I would get hold of the national media outlets if the story is 100%

umm...can i just say; no one has said WHY he was sacked.

this guy works in the food service industry, now in a hygeinic environment certain clothin/materials can't be worn because of how they react to things such as outside dust etc. so maybe....
- maybe this material wasnt permitted?
- maybe NO non-uniform aprons are permitted?
- maybe this person has it in his contract that he will only wear a full white apron with no pattern?
- maybe the owner is a pacifist and doesnt tolerate anything that celebrates or glorifies conflict? (thd maybe this was also in the lads contract?)

im not saying any of these are true, it could be that this owner genuinely is so worried about all these propaganda stories about muslims being offended by poppys that he has thoughtlessly sacked the lad? none of us know (apart from the lad himself and his relative who posted here). So maybe we could establish the facts before starting a hate campaign against a company that, for all we know, has a no-nylon-in-the-kitchen rule? just a thought guys

You cannot just sack someone outright for wearing that apron! There is no way that counts as gross misconduct. I'm sure you'd have to go through the verbal, written and final written warning procedure first?!

Food hygiene tests say nothing about 'apron materials' whatsoever so where are you getting that type of information from ?

Whilst I completely agree that the explanation hasn't been released yet and needs to be listened too first before people jumping onto any bang wagon. But some of the points you raised are complete nonsense and this is coming from someone who has worked in a few kitchens in the past.

Also may I add that Heart news is worse than MediaWales for the way they cover news so I'd have no doubts that the report won't be as covered as one would like. They try and get other media outlets to buy the story off them but their conversation rate is very low. If I was you mate I would get hold of the national media outlets if the story is 100%

im not talking about H&S Regs brownie, companies can have whatever policies they like and as long as the employee signs them and they arent against the law then they have to abide by them, yes some of the examples are far fetched but at this moment in time they are just ask likely as any other because all we know at the moment is: he wore an apron and got sacked.

for instance, my workplace has a uniform, no customers will see me yet i am expected to dress in a certain way, if i dont dress that way i am sent home, if i do it twice then i'm sacked. Many employers have similar dress code policies and if people dont agree with them (or dont understand that exceptions arent made for things like this) then they shouldnt sign the contract in the first place, again im not saying this happened, but right now its a possibility

yet now the pitch forks are out and people are actually trying to ruin his business without the facts. its ludicrous! typical mob mentality, no one asks any further questions, no one wants to hear both sides, their beloved poppy is involved and that is that, decision made.

f*cking knuckle draggers

umm...can i just say; no one has said WHY he was sacked.

this guy works in the food service industry, now in a hygeinic environment certain clothin/materials can't be worn because of how they react to things such as outside dust etc. so maybe....
- maybe this material wasnt permitted?
- maybe NO non-uniform aprons are permitted?
- maybe this person has it in his contract that he will only wear a full white apron with no pattern?
- maybe the owner is a pacifist and doesnt tolerate anything that celebrates or glorifies conflict? (thd maybe this was also in the lads contract?)

im not saying any of these are true, it could be that this owner genuinely is so worried about all these propaganda stories about muslims being offended by poppys that he has thoughtlessly sacked the lad? none of us know (apart from the lad himself and his relative who posted here). So maybe we could establish the facts before starting a hate campaign against a company that, for all we know, has a no-nylon-in-the-kitchen rule? just a thought guys

You cannot just sack someone outright for wearing that apron! There is no way that counts as gross misconduct. I'm sure you'd have to go through the verbal, written and final written warning procedure first?!

depends. he could be on a zero hour contract? he could be agency? he could be on a final warning already?

thats my point, we know nothing yet it seems people have made their minds up

Completely understand your point but even you agree some are far fetched. Lol. However unfortunately going public this early has probably weakened this young mans argument

Would like to hear the restaurant owners side of the story before joining the lynch mob. If indeed he did sack him purely because he wore a poppy apron then I will be the first to condemn them and write a poor review and boycott the business.

Love how people are jumping on the band wagon here. The apron was probably not permitted due to not being part of his Uniform. I work in Catering, and asked one of my staff to remove his poppy on Saturday due to the Pin that was used, and recommended that he invested in either a sticker or an Enamel Badge that is distinctive if it was to fall off.

As mentioned above, if the apron was to catch fire in the kitchen, who would be at fault? He should have been given a reason as to why he could not wear it, if he refused he should then be sent home and dealt with when he returned for his next shift.

umm...can i just say; no one has said WHY he was sacked.

this guy works in the food service industry, now in a hygeinic environment certain clothin/materials can't be worn because of how they react to things such as outside dust etc. so maybe....
- maybe this material wasnt permitted?
- maybe NO non-uniform aprons are permitted?
- maybe this person has it in his contract that he will only wear a full white apron with no pattern?
- maybe the owner is a pacifist and doesnt tolerate anything that celebrates or glorifies conflict? (thd maybe this was also in the lads contract?)

im not saying any of these are true, it could be that this owner genuinely is so worried about all these propaganda stories about muslims being offended by poppys that he has thoughtlessly sacked the lad? none of us know (apart from the lad himself and his relative who posted here). So maybe we could establish the facts before starting a hate campaign against a company that, for all we know, has a no-nylon-in-the-kitchen rule? just a thought guys

You cannot just sack someone outright for wearing that apron! There is no way that counts as gross misconduct. I'm sure you'd have to go through the verbal, written and final written warning procedure first?!

depends. he could be on a zero hour contract? he could be agency? he could be on a final warning already?

thats my point, we know nothing yet it seems people have made their minds up

I agree if he has either of the above contracts then that could actually happen. I'm sure they guy it happened to was on here and has suggested that they offered to take him back? If he was on either of those contracts then they would just say sorry you broke the terms of our employment so you're gone?!

Il never eat there and I'm guna text all my friends and make sure they don't. C***s

I'm with you nubby .what a way to treat an employer and our heros

You want the facts,here is the facts,I bought thay apron to to honour those lost in past conflicts,it wasn't ti glorify anything or provoke anything,it was to show my respect for friends who we have lost in conflict,for my grandfather who masterminded an escape from nazi concentration camp and my uncle who lost his friends and nearly lost his life several times,and for rhe other brothers and sisters lost in arms,the guys that gave there lives me people like me and your when they had no right to,what happened yesterday disrespected everything these brave people gave their lives for,I stand by what I belive weather right or wrong,if these small amount of people don't like us remembeing all the millions or soldiers and millions more civilians who paid rhe ultimate sacrafice,then theb that's nnot our issue, we are proud of out troops and should never forget what happened,I was told I wjll not wear that apron,why I asked? Don't break any health and safety laws?their response was simple,it may provoke an attack and it may offer rhe owner,if any 1 is going to get targeted it's thoses in the streets,not in a kitchen

https://twitter.com/Baysidebrass/with_replies

They are denying this on twitter.

Did you get that in writing ?

I think perhaps having both sides to the story may enable people to make a far fairer judgement Whether we get it or not is another thing.

I have a 3 year old daughter,and a fiancee I need tk support and I am currently technically homeless,you think I can afford this?
Once again I stand by my basic human rights and by what u belive

I have a 3 year old daughter,and a fiancee I need tk support and I am currently technically homeless,you think I can afford this?
Once again I stand by my basic human rights and by what u belive

Did they ask you to remove it before sacking you?

I have a 3 year old daughter,and a fiancee I need tk support and I am currently technically homeless,you think I can afford this?
Once again I stand by my basic human rights and by what u belive

Did they ask you to remove it before sacking you?

Why would they even ask somebody to remove it that's the baffling part

Just seen this on facebook now so gaining momentum. Iv'e heard from a friend of mine this guy was on Jeremy Kyle recently and failed a lie detector test. I think he should take another one to see if he's telling the truth or not regarding the poppies.

Steve (Tenerife Blu) is a good guy so I don't think he would make something like this up to be fair.

Can you answer a few simple questions before I pass any judgement on this?...

Weren't you on Jeremy Kyle a few months ago?
Did you fail a lie detector test on the show?
Are you in any shape or form Affiliated to the group Britain First? (Share posts on Facebook/Twitter)


Onto the kitchen questions...

Did you ask your boss if the the apron was suitable to wear in the kitchen?
Does the apron contain a label that states the apron is fire proof?
Does it comply with your employers uniform terms and conditions?
Were you asked to remove this, before being told that you were sacked?

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Bayside Brasserie
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The accusations that have been made are completely untrue and we will be releasing a full statement tomorrow.

Hold the lynch mob for one day. There is more to this story if that is anything to go by.

You need to get the exact reason for instant dismissal in writing mate.
Your action does not sound like gross misconduct to me. How long you been employed? More than 2 years?

Ridiculous

Sorry you didn't answer my question mate: did you ask them to put their reason I'm writing ?

They seem to be denaying it. I hope you've got a good lawyer in hand: https://mobile.twitter.com/Baysidebrass ... 0426377216

Disgraceful Steve. Hope that place gets blacklisted by most. This is what our country has come to you can't be British any more or pay respect to those that defended our shores or who gave the ultimate sacrifice.

Seems a little more to this than that

However you cannot be sacked for refusing to remove an apron

9/10 businesses would suspend you for your conduct pending investigation and the possible dismissal

Chances of being sacked on the spot for this are slim to none

If he has been dismissed for just refusing to take it off then they have probably breached their own disciplinary policies

I know this is not football related but it's disgusting none the less. My nephew is a chef and he went to work the other night and put his apron on displaying Poppy's. He got sacked for it.
Bayside brassarie down Cardiff bay
The full story is in tomorrows Echo


My Nephew replies to questions

You want the facts,here is the facts,I bought thay apron to to honour those lost in past conflicts,it wasn't ti glorify anything or provoke anything,it was to show my respect for friends who we have lost in conflict,for my grandfather who masterminded an escape from nazi concentration camp and my uncle who lost his friends and nearly lost his life several times,and for rhe other brothers and sisters lost in arms,the guys that gave there lives me people like me and your when they had no right to,what happened yesterday disrespected everything these brave people gave their lives for,I stand by what I belive weather right or wrong,if these small amount of people don't like us remembeing all the millions or soldiers and millions more civilians who paid rhe ultimate sacrafice,then theb that's nnot our issue, we are proud of out troops and should never forget what happened,I was told I wjll not wear that apron,why I asked? Don't break any health and safety laws?their response was simple,it may provoke an attack and it may offer rhe owner,if any 1 is going to get targeted it's thoses in the streets,not in a kitchen

Welcome to modern day politically correct Britain

Seems a little more to this than that

However you cannot be sacked for refusing to remove an apron

9/10 businesses would suspend you for your conduct pending investigation and the possible dismissal

Chances of being sacked on the spot for this are slim to none

If he has been dismissed for just refusing to take it off then they have probably breached their own disciplinary policies

However if he was asked to remove it and he refused then he has technically failed to comply with management instruction which in most cases is gross misconduct and as most know that is a sackable offence, in most cases he would be suspended pending investigation and a subsequent disciplinary hearing would probably see him face either a verbal or written warning and warned about future conduct

This probably has nothing to do with the poppies on the apron more to do with the fact he was asked to remove an apron which is not part of the companies uniform and therefore was not to be worn, if that's the case then disciplinary action could well be taken

If they have sacked on the spot for it then like I said they have probably broken their own disciplinary procedures

Be interesting to see their response

Seems a little more to this than that

However you cannot be sacked for refusing to remove an apron

9/10 businesses would suspend you for your conduct pending investigation and the possible dismissal

Chances of being sacked on the spot for this are slim to none

If he has been dismissed for just refusing to take it off then they have probably breached their own disciplinary policies

However if he was asked to remove it and he refused then he has technically failed to comply with management instruction which in most cases is gross misconduct and as most know that is a sackable offence, in most cases he would be suspended pending investigation and a subsequent disciplinary hearing would probably see him face either a verbal or written warning and warned about future conduct

This probably has nothing to do with the poppies on the apron more to do with the fact he was asked to remove an apron which is not part of the companies uniform and therefore was not to be worn, if that's the case then disciplinary action could well be taken

If they have sacked on the spot for it then like I said they have probably broken their own disciplinary procedures

Be interesting to see their response

Legally I would guess the company is right as it was not standard uniform. What they have done is petty to the extreme and hopefully going in the paper this place is blacklisted by the general public.

Seems a little more to this than that

However you cannot be sacked for refusing to remove an apron

9/10 businesses would suspend you for your conduct pending investigation and the possible dismissal

Chances of being sacked on the spot for this are slim to none

If he has been dismissed for just refusing to take it off then they have probably breached their own disciplinary policies

However if he was asked to remove it and he refused then he has technically failed to comply with management instruction which in most cases is gross misconduct and as most know that is a sackable offence, in most cases he would be suspended pending investigation and a subsequent disciplinary hearing would probably see him face either a verbal or written warning and warned about future conduct

This probably has nothing to do with the poppies on the apron more to do with the fact he was asked to remove an apron which is not part of the companies uniform and therefore was not to be worn, if that's the case then disciplinary action could well be taken

If they have sacked on the spot for it then like I said they have probably broken their own disciplinary procedures

Be interesting to see their response

Legally I would guess the company is right as it was not standard uniform. What they have done is petty to the extreme and hopefully going in the paper this place is blacklisted by the general public.

Interesting case and will be interesting to hear their response

All depends on the exact circumstances really

But like you say he is not on public view and it would be very petty to have sacked on the spot for this if what he has said is 100% accurate

However I have seen it in my workplace whereby staff have been sacked for not sticking to uniform policy whilst I don't 100% agree with it as a manager myself I have to also personally enforce uniform standards, however we have strict policies to follow around disciplinary procedures and you would get a few chances to comply before getting sacked eventually

Seems a little more to this than that

However you cannot be sacked for refusing to remove an apron

9/10 businesses would suspend you for your conduct pending investigation and the possible dismissal

Chances of being sacked on the spot for this are slim to none

If he has been dismissed for just refusing to take it off then they have probably breached their own disciplinary policies

However if he was asked to remove it and he refused then he has technically failed to comply with management instruction which in most cases is gross misconduct and as most know that is a sackable offence, in most cases he would be suspended pending investigation and a subsequent disciplinary hearing would probably see him face either a verbal or written warning and warned about future conduct

This probably has nothing to do with the poppies on the apron more to do with the fact he was asked to remove an apron which is not part of the companies uniform and therefore was not to be worn, if that's the case then disciplinary action could well be taken

If they have sacked on the spot for it then like I said they have probably broken their own disciplinary procedures

Be interesting to see their response

Legally I would guess the company is right as it was not standard uniform. What they have done is petty to the extreme and hopefully going in the paper this place is blacklisted by the general public.

Interesting case and will be interesting to hear their response

All depends on the exact circumstances really

But like you say he is not on public view and it would be very petty to have sacked on the spot for this if what he has said is 100% accurate

However I have seen it in my workplace whereby staff have been sacked for not sticking to uniform policy whilst I don't 100% agree with it as a manager myself I have to also personally enforce uniform standards, however we have strict policies to follow around disciplinary procedures and you would get a few chances to comply before getting sacked eventually

One thing this restaurant would not want is this sort of publicity as it could effect this business. So they may say it was a misunderstanding and they support this charity with collection boxes and offer a special offer for veterans and servicemen to show they support this wonderful cause, but the poor lad will remain sacked. I can understand when Macdanalds stopped someone in there kitchen from wearing a poppy as its law you can't wear something that can fall into someone's Mcburger