Yes Man

Not based on anyone else but based on what I have seen of him and his relationship with Tan, I believe he is a Yes man, and does as he is told without questioning it. And as reward he gets a nice little pay packet ...

I don't follow like other sheep I have my own individual opinion and I stand by it.

Having taken a look at Burgstaller, Berget and Guerra

Three players that weren't getting game time under Ole were trimmed from an over bloated squad so that makes Slade a yes man?

By your own logic if players were selected for Slade to work with, why wasn't Guerra and Velikonja, two players it is widely claimed were signed by Tan, forced upon him?

Burgstaller is a good player but would he get the nod over Ralls, Whitts or Pilkington? Possibly but not definitely.

Berget was already on loan. Again doing well this season but no better than Jones or Mason and with Ameobi and Revel as back up (plus recall options for Doyle and even Healy) no way was Berget, who did nothing on loan at Celtic, going to be anything more than a squad player upfront for us.

Admittedly he can also play on the wing but would he get into the side ahead of Noone or Pilkington who are competing for one out and out winger position in Slade's favoured lopsided 442 set up. Again a squad player for us at best.

As for Guerra, he couldn't get a start under Ole got and got hauled off by Young before half-time in his only start (again possibly unfairly).

However what is clear, is that before Slade got here there were problems with Guerra.

The squad Slade inherited was widely perceived by many as being too big and these players you refer too for whatever reason, were on the peripherary of the squad so were always candidates for being moved on.

Using the sales of these three players as evidence of Slade being a yes man just doesn't make sense

You havent got a clue mate! Both wingers and played 4-4-2 all season. Their rep also include defensive duties, hench HARD working.. They didnt even get a look in. Slade rather have 3 centerbacks on the bench that give Burgie 5 minutes to prove himself. Berget have proved a lot of people wrong this year. He deserve credit for that, and not this rubbish from people who dosent have a clue of what he has done. Both have been miles ahead of any winger Cardiff have fielded this season Correction: Berget gets all the credit he needs in Europe, just not recognition at Cardiff.. Happy campers, and happy blinkers

Prove that he isn't a Yes man....

Not based on anyone else but based on what I have seen of him and his relationship with Tan, I believe he is a Yes man, and does as he is told without questioning it. And as reward he gets a nice little pay packet ...

I don't follow like other sheep I have my own individual opinion and I stand by it.

you are that special kind of idiot

Not based on anyone else but based on what I have seen of him and his relationship with Tan, I believe he is a Yes man, and does as he is told without questioning it. And as reward he gets a nice little pay packet ...

I don't follow like other sheep I have my own individual opinion and I stand by it.

you are that special kind of idiot

Your just another Keyboard Warrior that thinks they're the centre of the universe and all that matters is your own narrow minded weak opinion.


Oh well could be worse you could be a jack I suppose.

Now f**k off little boy.

Prove that he isn't a Yes man....

He told Tan that Red wasn't working.

Lol.. Tan Knew the red wasn't working.

Trying to insinuate that Slade was the reason we're back in blue therefore making Slade not a Yes man is laughable

Doesn't seem like a yes man to me. Obviously when he first came in, he was told what was expected from him (like any new manager at any club) which was probably to trim the squad and help balance the books, stability, make progress on the field ect. He took the job because he no doubt believes he can achieve that. And he's gone about it quite well from what I can see.

Not based on anyone else but based on what I have seen of him and his relationship with Tan, I believe he is a Yes man, and does as he is told without questioning it. And as reward he gets a nice little pay packet ...

I don't follow like other sheep I have my own individual opinion and I stand by it.

you are that special kind of idiot

Your just another Keyboard Warrior that thinks they're the centre of the universe and all that matters is your own narrow minded weak opinion.


Oh well could be worse you could be a jack I suppose.

Now f**k off little boy.

pointing out that you are full of shit doesnt make anyone a keyboard warrior


Everyone knows you are a bit of an oddball after the whole multi account farce and you are reinforcing that with your idiotic statements

Lol.. Tan Knew the red wasn't working.

Trying to insinuate that Slade was the reason we're back in blue therefore making Slade not a Yes man is laughable

Didn't say that but he did tell Tan something he didn't want to hear. Yes men don't normally do that

Shit film, 3/10. Jim Carrey has lost it.

Having taken a look at Burgstaller, Berget and Guerra

You havent got a clue mate!

Regardless of whether I think Burgstaller is a winger or left sided Midfielder, whether or not I think Berget would have got into the side ahead of Noone or Pilkington, wbased on last seasons performance, whether you think I have a clue about football or not, is still all completely irrelevant when it comes to the point you are making around Slade being a yes man.

Your making the point that Slade is a yes man because he got rid of three players that were rightly or wrongly on the fringe of the squad which is let's be honest, when all is said and done is a very weak argument, that is full of holes as i pointed out in my last post

Once again...

By your logic if Slade is a yes man because Tan told him who he could play then why did Guerra and Velikonja go when they are widely claimed to be Tan shipped out as well?

You just can't have it both ways.

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Doesn't seem like a yes man to me. Obviously when he first came in, he was told what was expected from him (like any new manager at any club) which was probably to trim the squad and help balance the books, stability, make progress on the field ect. He took the job because he no doubt believes he can achieve that. And he's gone about it quite well from what I can see.

Spot on

Having taken a look at Burgstaller, Berget and Guerra

You havent got a clue mate!

Regardless of whether I think Burgstaller is a winger or left sided Midfielder, whether or not I think Berget would have got into the side ahead of Noone or Pilkington, wbased on last seasons performance, whether you think I have a clue about football or not, is still all completely irrelevant when it comes to the point you are making around Slade being a yes man.

Your making the point that Slade is a yes man because he got rid of three players that were rightly or wrongly on the fringe of the squad which is let's be honest, when all is said and done is a very weak argument, that is full of holes as i pointed out in my last post

Once again...

By your logic if Slade is a yes man because Tan told him who he could play then why did Guerra and Velikonja go when they are widely claimed to be Tan shipped out as well?

You just can't have it both ways.

Well, it is mate. The score was settled before Slade could make any judgement for himself. He downsized the squad by ONE player, and surely the biggest idiot could see it was not the highest earners who left!? History later show that it was not the worst players either.. He didnt have any say what so ever! He didnt have the oportunity to even look at them. People have short memories dont they? We had a bench full of defenders for Christ sake.. Cala spilled his guts on twitter, Burgstaller in Austrian media. Daehlie called his lies in the Norwegian media. But Guerra kept his mouth shut, like he always have!

Having taken a look at Burgstaller, Berget and Guerra

You havent got a clue mate!

Regardless of whether I think Burgstaller is a winger or left sided Midfielder, whether or not I think Berget would have got into the side ahead of Noone or Pilkington, wbased on last seasons performance, whether you think I have a clue about football or not, is still all completely irrelevant when it comes to the point you are making around Slade being a yes man.

Your making the point that Slade is a yes man because he got rid of three players that were rightly or wrongly on the fringe of the squad which is let's be honest, when all is said and done is a very weak argument, that is full of holes as i pointed out in my last post

Once again...

By your logic if Slade is a yes man because Tan told him who he could play then why did Guerra and Velikonja go when they are widely claimed to be Tan shipped out as well?

You just can't have it both ways.

Well, it is mate. The score was settled before Slade could make any judgement for himself. He downsized the squad by ONE player, and surely the biggest idiot could see it was not the highest earners who left!? History later show that it was not the worst players either.. He didnt have any say what so ever! He didnt have the oportunity to even look at them. People have short memories dont they? We had a bench full of defenders for Christ sake.. Cala spilled his guts on twitter, Burgstaller in Austrian media. Daehlie called his lies in the Norwegian media. But Guerra kept his mouth shut, like he always have!

Going round in circles.

If you can't see why your argument is flawed then clearly i'm not the man to convince you and sorry but for love nor money can I understand your logic. I just simply can't see where your coming from, sorry.

I think there is just a fundamental difference in the way we think/view things but good luck to you matey end of the day we're all Bluebirds.

Not at all mate, but i sometimes take for granted the history of events remembered correctly. More often they are not, and wrongly used as "facts" in a debate. It is well documented Oles plans for both Burgie and Guerra. They fit well into his history of managing relations and working for them to challenge each other. For easy access they are all documented in Wales onlines archives. By no means can any player be defined as a fringe player under Ole, bar the ones out on loan.
Its just not possible 7 games in.. Berget certainly fit that bill, but somehow Slade found the time to look at Mason..
Berget gave a rather interesting interview a couple of weeks ago, and it is well in line with what Cala, Burgie and Daehlie have said. Bottom line, the players who left are happy where they are and feel they escaped a bullet by leaving this club. But any manager coming to a club takes a look at what he have before making any judgement. Slade didnt, he was told. All documentation back that! He lied. he treated players badly to unsettle them and got rith of them. Why? Because they where " fringe players"? how did he know? By bringing Turner as a striker on the bench while Guerra was doing runs with the youngsters? Rubbish! Nothing will change my mind about him. But at the end of the day we are! And City still is the most exiting unleashed prospect in Britain, But without Slade, and most likely without Tan

Not at all mate, but i sometimes take for granted the history of events remembered correctly. More often they are not, and wrongly used as "facts" in a debate. It is well documented Oles plans for both Burgie and Guerra. They fit well into his history of managing relations and working for them to challenge each other. For easy access they are all documented in Wales onlines archives. By no means can any player be defined as a fringe player under Ole, bar the ones out on loan.
Its just not possible 7 games in.. Berget certainly fit that bill, but somehow Slade found the time to look at Mason..
Berget gave a rather interesting interview a couple of weeks ago, and it is well in line with what Cala, Burgie and Daehlie have said. Bottom line, the players who left are happy where they are and feel they escaped a bullet by leaving this club. But any manager coming to a club takes a look at what he have before making any judgement. Slade didnt, he was told. All documentation back that! He lied. he treated players badly to unsettle them and got rith of them. Why? Because they where " fringe players"? how did he know? By bringing Turner as a striker on the bench while Guerra was doing runs with the youngsters? Rubbish! Nothing will change my mind about him. But at the end of the day we are! And City still is the most exiting unleashed prospect in Britain, But without Slade, and most likely without Tan

It's documented in walesonline that velikonja was a player Malky looked at by Malky after he signed him however apparently he was Tan's signing.

Sorry but gotta pick you up on some of this...

It is well documented Oles plans for both Burgie and Guerra

Regardless of Ole's plans for Guerra the truth is he didnt play him often.

Also Vincent Tan admitted he was heavily involved in signing Guerra so if it's true that Slade had no choice in his squad and he was told who he could keep just like you say, then why did Tan, whose not known for being someone who backs down easily, completely change his mind on Guerra less than a year later?

From this link http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26366898

"Tan is quick to take responsibility for securing a pre-contract agreement to sign 31-year-old Spanish striker Javi Guerra on a free transfer from Real Valladolid next summer."

By no means can any player be defined as a fringe player under Ole, bar the ones out on loan.

So if we are dismissing players out on loan why are you including Berget in your argument? He was already at Celtic on loan with an option to buy as arranged by Ole not Slade as mentioned here in WOL http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... er-7523050

"With the Bluebirds boasting a number of attacking options, manger Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has decided Berget is surplus to requirements at the Cardiff City stadium"

Its just not possible 7 games in..

Agree with that and was one of very few that I know that wanted to see Solsjkaer given more time (otherwise why sign so many players foe him in the first place) but don't see what has to do with Slade?

Bottom line, the players who left are happy where they are and feel they escaped a bullet by leaving this club."

Flipside of that is our dressing room is now a happier place as per Matty Kennedy comments in WOL here http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... dy-9718410
"I think as the new manager has got the people he wants here, the atmosphere has just got so much better. People are happy around the place now and that can only be good out on the pitch"

There are two sides to every story and just because Slade has come in and trimmed a bloated squad doesn't necessarily mean he is anybody's yes man.

Not based on anyone else but based on what I have seen of him and his relationship with Tan, I believe he is a Yes man, and does as he is told without questioning it. And as reward he gets a nice little pay packet ...

I don't follow like other sheep I have my own individual opinion and I stand by it.

you are that special kind of idiot

Your just another Keyboard Warrior that thinks they're the centre of the universe and all that matters is your own narrow minded weak opinion.


Oh well could be worse you could be a jack I suppose.

Now f**k off little boy.

pointing out that you are full of shit doesnt make anyone a keyboard warrior


Everyone knows you are a bit of an oddball after the whole multi account farce and you are reinforcing that with your idiotic statements

Multi?

Think you're mistaken again little boy, AJ1927 has been my Handle from the start, was altered briefly to Shinobipony then reverted back to AJ1927. Feel free to ask any Mod with the powers to check out that fact.

Then feel free to apologise.

Shit film, 3/10. Jim Carrey has lost it.

Best post on the whole topic..

ealing mate!

1.I wont bother to dig it up for you. But after a cup game early on, i think it was after Guerras injury in August. Both Guerra and Macheda showed signs of a very healthy partnership. Ole stated after that game that Guerra is a big part of his plans. He offer something different in the Championship, something defenders are not used to, and he is just waiting to play him more and give him game time. (He left shortly after) Again it is irrelevant.
Young pushed him out of the team, and Slade made sure he stayed there till he left...
Terrible decision, and there can be no doubt he was singled out as one to leave without getting a look in.

2.Its irrelevant if Ole sent Berget out on loan. Truth is, and this is Bergets own words. "When i got back from my loan spell at Celtic i was told i wasn't wanted in the first team. I didn't get any explanation or chance to fight for a place. I could have stayed and cashed in on my contract, but i want to play football and develop. I paid a few millions ( That is hundred in pounds) out of my own pocket to get a free release and see that as an investment for my future career. The interview goes on, but that is the treatment and assessment he got from Slades management. He later gone to a viking cult status scoring goals for fun and fighting spirit.. So the fact remain, Slade didnt even take a look at him.

3. It got everything to do with Slade when the argument is being made he released fringe players.. Its even more transparent when Young left out the same players just before he arrived.. Never given a chance.. Norwegian media called him out on it, He got very uneased, and it all was a comical moment on tv. The fans was screaming for Daehlie. What does he do? He fakes a hip injury story so the fans will ease up. When he cant hide any more, he set him up for a dual position against Millwall for the kid to get murdered with hoof balls and defenders twice his size have field day.. Pushing all them players out in the cold, not getting to prove them self have everything to do with Slade!

4. Off course it is. There are many reasons for that im sure. If suggesting the world got to be a better place from them players leaving, its your opinion, and a very simplistic one i might add. Personally i believe the biggest reason is the club changing back to its identity. The players are no longer alienated from their fans. Also a lot of back room staff (From before Oles time) left. The dividends within the club have been cleaned up. Not by Slade, but by Choo and Dalman. What is even more important they are not playing the utter shite they did under Slade last season. But with no squad rotation it is just a matter of time im afraid.. Wonder if Mat Kennedy thinks the same today.. Several players spoke the same under Oles tenure.. Togetherness in the group, but i cant remember Kennedy being there.. Togetherness is a complex thing, and a combination of many things..

5. Dont forget Calas words. "Slade said he wont let me play, its not Slades fault. it is orders from Tan"

6. Hopes that answer your questions mate

Wez, i dont know if you have watched them. I have watched them about 10 games. They have a new squad, and need time to gel. 10 new players. When they play their game they are a much better team. Bigger club both financially and support.
You need to get out of the championship more

Are trying to say that the league that malmo play in is better than the championship ?[/quote

I lived in malmo seen them play and would class them Division One standard at best

Lol.. Tan Knew the red wasn't working.

Trying to insinuate that Slade was the reason we're back in blue therefore making Slade not a Yes man is laughable

Agree Everyone knew Red was not working not just slade The only time red worked for some fans is when we got promoted
Like most fans i will always be blue

Slade was the only manager to challenge tan on the rebrand ,ole and malky didn't

Fair play slade did. I know many fans that are staying away because of the rebrand Routine

All the big hitters conspicuous by their absence - this is what frustrates me. Ask a genuine question but gets swept over and ignored ?

Sure in the future it will get quoted again

As already proven a healthy debate and don't get made a stick - I wonder why

All the big hitters conspicuous by their absence - this is what frustrates me. Ask a genuine question but gets swept over and ignored ?

Sure in the future it will get quoted again

As already proven a healthy debate and don't get made a stick - I wonder why

It's coz the big hitters can't back there yes man accusations up

All the big hitters conspicuous by their absence - this is what frustrates me. Ask a genuine question but gets swept over and ignored ?

Sure in the future it will get quoted again

As already proven a healthy debate and don't get made a stick - I wonder why

It's coz the big hitters can't back there yes man accusations up

Can you prove without a shadow of doubt that he doesn't take his orders from elsewhere?

Answer is no you cannot, so don't cry when concrete evidence of others opinions isn't brought forward.

Can't argue the non sticky bit though.

All the big hitters conspicuous by their absence - this is what frustrates me. Ask a genuine question but gets swept over and ignored ?

Sure in the future it will get quoted again

As already proven a healthy debate and don't get made a stick - I wonder why

It's coz the big hitters can't back there yes man accusations up

Can you prove without a shadow of doubt that he doesn't take his orders from elsewhere?

Answer is no you cannot, so don't cry when concrete evidence of others opinions isn't brought forward.

I'm not the one saying that he's a yes man tho are my ?

All the big hitters conspicuous by their absence - this is what frustrates me. Ask a genuine question but gets swept over and ignored ?

Sure in the future it will get quoted again

As already proven a healthy debate and don't get made a stick - I wonder why

It's coz the big hitters can't back there yes man accusations up

Can you prove without a shadow of doubt that he doesn't take his orders from elsewhere?

Answer is no you cannot, so don't cry when concrete evidence of others opinions isn't brought forward.

but they are the ones who are saying slade is yes man.? if you make that statement you need to be able to substantiate it! like me saying tan picks team but i can't prove it