Leave the EU In or out ? Poll

I'm confident Cameron can get the reforms we all want and stay in. He had never been in a better position European wise because of the migrant issue has really damaged that German trout and many of the Eastern European countries are really pissed off with the issue

Good joke. He'll get nothing and he knows it.

Your past assumptions have got you nowhere. Let's wait and see

What assumptions are those?.

What in the history of the EU has suggested that the other nations will agree to reforms set out by a single country.

Agree ,we are not going to get reform ,we need to get out asap when people voted back in the 70 s it was for a common market not a super state of countries

Problem is that camaron will get certain deals to appease britain but 6 months later EU will change rules so making our deal worthless! maestrich was same thing, look at other countries who said no! their leaders manipulated things so that eventually there was a yes vote after several votes.

I'm confident Cameron can get the reforms we all want and stay in. He had never been in a better position European wise because of the migrant issue has really damaged that German trout and many of the Eastern European countries are really pissed off with the issue

Good joke. He'll get nothing and he knows it.

Your past assumptions have got you nowhere. Let's wait and see

What assumptions are those?.

What in the history of the EU has suggested that the other nations will agree to reforms set out by a single country.

Agree ,we are not going to get reform ,we need to get out asap when people voted back in the 70 s it was for a common market not a super state of countries

Problem is that camaron will get certain deals to appease britain but 6 months later EU will change rules so making our deal worthless! maestrich was same thing, look at other countries who said no! their leaders manipulated things so that eventually there was a yes vote after several votes.

Cameron won't achieve f**k all. When he walks into the room they all laugh at him and he sits there like a naughty school boy who's been caught dribbling. You're right in they might agree but will snigger as they have no intention of giving way on anything as the other members see us a basket case that keeps on giving and without us they'll be fuxked and they know it.

He might say 'YES' we've got what we've wanted but like you say, It's meaningless unless it's written into law before we go to the polls as if we stay in they'll turn around and laugh and call us mugs.

Look at dictator Blair, gave away some of our tax rebate in exchange for reform on the French farmers, France said they'll review their policy but once Blair signed on the dotted lines France turned round and laughed and said you fuxking mug. Thanks for the money Blair.

It'll be the same with call me Dave.

I'm confident Cameron can get the reforms we all want and stay in. He had never been in a better position European wise because of the migrant issue has really damaged that German trout and many of the Eastern European countries are really pissed off with the issue

Good joke. He'll get nothing and he knows it.

Your past assumptions have got you nowhere. Let's wait and see

What assumptions are those?.

What in the history of the EU has suggested that the other nations will agree to reforms set out by a single country.

Agree ,we are not going to get reform ,we need to get out asap when people voted back in the 70 s it was for a common market not a super state of countries

Sincerely hope that the poll on here is not a reflection of the real mood in the country but if true will the last person in Wales please turn the light off as it will be the end of our nation.

Problem is that camaron will get certain deals to appease britain but 6 months later EU will change rules so making our deal worthless! maestrich was same thing, look at other countries who said no! their leaders manipulated things so that eventually there was a yes vote after several votes.

Cameron won't achieve f**k all. When he walks into the room they all laugh at him and he sits there like a naughty school boy who's been caught dribbling. You're right in they might agree but will snigger as they have no intention of giving way on anything as the other members see us a basket case that keeps on giving and without us they'll be fuxked and they know it.

He might say 'YES' we've got what we've wanted but like you say, It's meaningless unless it's written into law before we go to the polls as if we stay in they'll turn around and laugh and call us mugs.

Look at dictator Blair, gave away some of our tax rebate in exchange for reform on the French farmers, France said they'll review their policy but once Blair signed on the dotted lines France turned round and laughed and said you fuxking mug. Thanks for the money Blair.

It'll be the same with call me Dave.

I'm confident Cameron can get the reforms we all want and stay in. He had never been in a better position European wise because of the migrant issue has really damaged that German trout and many of the Eastern European countries are really pissed off with the issue

Good joke. He'll get nothing and he knows it.

Your past assumptions have got you nowhere. Let's wait and see

What assumptions are those?.

What in the history of the EU has suggested that the other nations will agree to reforms set out by a single country.

Forgot about the UKs rebate which we had for years before Blair and Brown give it back then have you ?

Clear proof that you know f**k all about it lets be honest. Pmsl

Nigel Farage Vs Carwyn Jones on the EU in Wales.

worth a watch



http://digital-ukip.nationbuilder.com/debate

Nigel destroyed him ,today Toyota and Nissan have come out and said they would not pull out of Britain if they left the eu ,carwyn looked like a fool

Nigel Farage embarrassing Jones last night who embarrassed Wales in the process. Farage is back with a bang and there's no stopping him now.

Nigel destroyed him ,today Toyota and Nissan have come out and said they would not pull out of Britain if they left the eu ,carwyn looked like a fool

The 'In' campaign only have scaremongering tactics. I loved the Welsh audience questions

Nigel Farage embarrassing Jones last night who embarrassed Wales in the process. Farage is back with a bang and there's no stopping him now.

I think Jones is an embarrassment to Wales full stop.

Farage didn't just batter Jones he destroyed him.

Look at it this way.

You give me your wage each month.
Then when you want to buy something, you only have to ask me for it.
I will then give you what you need (obviously keeping a percentage for myself) and then I will tell you where you can buy it from (obviously I only want you buying things from people I approve of, and that suit me).

Also, as I do not have the time to adminster all this myself, and don't want you hassling me when you realise you are over paying for everything and cannot buy from whom you want, when you want and pay a lower price, then I will appoint someone I know to do it for me. You cannot have a say in the crony (sorry person I appoint) as it is a secret.

This may well suit people who do not want to think for themselves, better themselves and have no choice of what they spend their money on, without any responsibility. Myself I would prefer the independence and choice, to spend my money on what I want, where I want it from and to choose how much I pay for it.

Totally agree with all the posts on here about Carwyn's battering by Farage the other night, it was embarrassing. But what it showed us that Carwyn and Labour are lost for ideas are tired and that we need a change in Wales, not that Farage and his ideas are correct. I know that a lot on here will disagree but I firmly believe that leaving the EU would be a disaster for Wales, maybe not for England, but for Wales, Scotland and NI a disaster that would lead to the break up of the UK.
Let's be honest, Farage and the UK Independence Party are not going to stand up for Wales we need someone who will fight for Wales at every opportunity. I believe that we need a Plaid government in Wales with Leanne Wood as First Minister.
Oh, and remember she put Farage in his place during the leaders debates last year, something Carwyn couldn't do.

Totally agree with all the posts on here about Carwyn's battering by Farage the other night, it was embarrassing. But what it showed us that Carwyn and Labour are lost for ideas are tired and that we need a change in Wales, not that Farage and his ideas are correct. I know that a lot on here will disagree but I firmly believe that leaving the EU would be a disaster for Wales, maybe not for England, but for Wales, Scotland and NI a disaster that would lead to the break up of the UK.
Let's be honest, Farage and the UK Independence Party are not going to stand up for Wales we need someone who will fight for Wales at every opportunity. I believe that we need a Plaid government in Wales with Leanne Wood as First Minister.
Oh, and remember she put Farage in his place during the leaders debates last year, something Carwyn couldn't do.

I think she made one comment, not exactly put him in his place. She is also an embarrassement. No history of a proper job, so no experience of business management (what is needed), and wants to get rid of our countrys defence (trident etc). She spends too much time sucking uo to the SNP trouts, like a little lap dog. She also wants independence from the UK so we can be totally subservient to the EU. I would love to see a strong Paid Cymru, but it will never happen with her as the leader.

Totally agree with all the posts on here about Carwyn's battering by Farage the other night, it was embarrassing. But what it showed us that Carwyn and Labour are lost for ideas are tired and that we need a change in Wales, not that Farage and his ideas are correct. I know that a lot on here will disagree but I firmly believe that leaving the EU would be a disaster for Wales, maybe not for England, but for Wales, Scotland and NI a disaster that would lead to the break up of the UK.
Let's be honest, Farage and the UK Independence Party are not going to stand up for Wales we need someone who will fight for Wales at every opportunity. I believe that we need a Plaid government in Wales with Leanne Wood as First Minister.
Oh, and remember she put Farage in his place during the leaders debates last year, something Carwyn couldn't do.

I think she made one comment, not exactly put him in his place. She is also an embarrassement. No history of a proper job, so no experience of business management (what is needed), and wants to get rid of our countrys defence (trident etc). She spends too much time sucking uo to the SNP trouts, like a little lap dog. She also wants independence from the UK so we can be totally subservient to the EU. I would love to see a strong Paid Cymru, but it will never happen with her as the leader.

Proper job? And what proper job has Cameron, Osbourne etc had they are all professional politicians, which I agree is far from ideal. As for Trident, I doesn't defend us form terror attacks does it. Totally outdated for today's defence needs and of course something that will never be used. As for business? Only today Plaid announced that they would re-establish the Welsh Development Agency if elected in May. I think most business people would agree with this new policy. As for the SNP, have you really seen what they've done for Scotland? That's why they had landslide at the last election, it's because they believe and deliver for Scotland like Plaid would for Wales

Totally agree with all the posts on here about Carwyn's battering by Farage the other night, it was embarrassing. But what it showed us that Carwyn and Labour are lost for ideas are tired and that we need a change in Wales, not that Farage and his ideas are correct. I know that a lot on here will disagree but I firmly believe that leaving the EU would be a disaster for Wales, maybe not for England, but for Wales, Scotland and NI a disaster that would lead to the break up of the UK.
Let's be honest, Farage and the UK Independence Party are not going to stand up for Wales we need someone who will fight for Wales at every opportunity. I believe that we need a Plaid government in Wales with Leanne Wood as First Minister.
Oh, and remember she put Farage in his place during the leaders debates last year, something Carwyn couldn't do.

I think she made one comment, not exactly put him in his place. She is also an embarrassement. No history of a proper job, so no experience of business management (what is needed), and wants to get rid of our countrys defence (trident etc). She spends too much time sucking uo to the SNP trouts, like a little lap dog. She also wants independence from the UK so we can be totally subservient to the EU. I would love to see a strong Paid Cymru, but it will never happen with her as the leader.

Proper job? And what proper job has Cameron, Osbourne etc had they are all professional politicians, which I agree is far from ideal. As for Trident, I doesn't defend us form terror attacks does it. Totally outdated for today's defence needs and of course something that will never be used. As for business? Only today Plaid announced that they would re-establish the Welsh Development Agency if elected in May. I think most business people would agree with this new policy. As for the SNP, have you really seen what they've done for Scotland? That's why they had landslide at the last election, it's because they believe and deliver for Scotland like Plaid would for Wales

Plaid are out of date with the people of Wales views and that's why they are not in power ,wood makes the Welsh look stupid and beggers Labour and plaid want to feed off the scraps the eu give us

What have the SNP done for Scottish people?
They would be bankrupt without the English money. They slag off the English and demand self rule, then want the English to pay for it. They are hypocritical beggars.

Remmeber all their plans were based on oil being $200 per barrel (when was it that high???) and today it is at $30 per barrel.
So by the SNP own accounts they would only be receiving 15% of the income they budgeted for.

How many Scots would vote for that cut back?

What have the SNP done for Scottish people?
They would be bankrupt without the English money. They slag off the English and demand self rule, then want the English to pay for it. They are hypocritical beggars.

Remmeber all their plans were based on oil being $200 per barrel (when was it that high???) and today it is at $30 per barrel.
So by the SNP own accounts they would only be receiving 15% of the income they budgeted for.

How many Scots would vote for that cut back?

we are better off together but with devolved power on local issues

Free trade with the EU benefits us hugely. We should stay definitely. Yes I we need to negotiate with the EU for powers back big time. But I believe leaving the EU would hit our economy. And unfortunately having a good economy means you can give your people a good standard of living.

Money doesn't buy you happiness apparently. Well they're right, in this day and age money buys you life.

Free trade with the EU benefits us hugely. We should stay definitely. Yes I we need to negotiate with the EU for powers back big time. But I believe leaving the EU would hit our economy. And unfortunately having a good economy means you can give your people a good standard of living.

Money doesn't buy you happiness apparently. Well they're right, in this day and age money buys you life.

The eu needs us more than we need them do you honestly think they would not trade with us ? We are there biggest market we import twice as much as we export ,we will leave and not much will change other than we will be able to trade with the rest of the world

Free trade with the EU benefits us hugely. We should stay definitely. Yes I we need to negotiate with the EU for powers back big time. But I believe leaving the EU would hit our economy. And unfortunately having a good economy means you can give your people a good standard of living.

Money doesn't buy you happiness apparently. Well they're right, in this day and age money buys you life.

The eu needs us more than we need them do you honestly think they would not trade with us ? We are there biggest market we import twice as much as we export ,we will leave and not much will change other than we will be able to trade with the rest of the world

Merkel pretty much runs the EU. The German economy is now bigger than ours. Yes it would hit the EU if we left but they'd survive. Do we have the influence we once had to making good trade deals like we did before? Yes we owned 25% of the world but look at us now.

We are,unfortunately, a has been nation. But yet still have so much potential our "leaders" can't see it. Britain could once again become the top dog with out having the biggest military, we were once world reknown for our science and engineering. Some may argue that we pretty much revolutionised the modern world. Yet now we're lagging behind.

This country can and will be great again, f**k all this immigration shite, this country needs to focus on science and engineering. Aaaand spend more on the military a bit.

Went slightly off topic but it's all linked if you think about it.

Free trade with the EU benefits us hugely. We should stay definitely. Yes I we need to negotiate with the EU for powers back big time. But I believe leaving the EU would hit our economy. And unfortunately having a good economy means you can give your people a good standard of living.

Money doesn't buy you happiness apparently. Well they're right, in this day and age money buys you life.

The eu needs us more than we need them do you honestly think they would not trade with us ? We are there biggest market we import twice as much as we export ,we will leave and not much will change other than we will be able to trade with the rest of the world

Merkel pretty much runs the EU. The German economy is now bigger than ours. Yes it would hit the EU if we left but they'd survive. Do we have the influence we once had to making good trade deals like we did before? Yes we owned 25% of the world but look at us now.

We are,unfortunately, a has been nation. But yet still have so much potential our "leaders" can't see it. Britain could once again become the top dog with out having the biggest military, we were once world reknown for our science and engineering. Some may argue that we pretty much revolutionised the modern world. Yet now we're lagging behind.

This country can and will be great again, f**k all this immigration shite, this country needs to focus on science and engineering. Aaaand spend more on the military a bit.

Went slightly off topic but it's all linked if you think about it.

Germany in meltdown,have you seen the news today ? the eu exports mostly to us we are it's biggest Market do you think they will jeopardise that by having a bad trade deal ? I can't belive that people in Britain are fine with our laws being made in Brussels andcbot in Britain

In 15 years we will be the 4th largest economy in the world. Overtaking Germany and Japan. Only Brazil (who may overtake us) are expanding as fast.

Germanys biggest car exports are to the UK. Would they jeopardise that? I don't think so.
France sells us 5X what we sell them. Would they jeopardise that? I don't think so.
Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal are has beens. Why should we prop them up?

£millions would be saved on immigration payments to EU citizens. Imagine when all these current refugees are granted citizenship in Germany, Greece, Italy, France etc. Then they would be entitled to freely come here and get benefits,free health care, housing etc. What about our own children and old people? This could be stopped by getting out of the EU.

The Indian Prime Minister said they would like to have more trade deals with us , but cannot due to Europen Union rules. He said we have strong trade and cultural links going back 200 years and we should be trading more with each other. The same would go for other Commonwealth countries. Which are much bigger markets, and growing faster than the dead beats of Europe.

Companies like TATA Steel are in decline anyway but as they are Indian, could well benefit from closer (outside Europe) links.
We could always threaten to close all their call centres if they didn't. lol.

Free trade with the EU benefits us hugely. We should stay definitely. Yes I we need to negotiate with the EU for powers back big time. But I believe leaving the EU would hit our economy. And unfortunately having a good economy means you can give your people a good standard of living.

Money doesn't buy you happiness apparently. Well they're right, in this day and age money buys you life.

The eu needs us more than we need them do you honestly think they would not trade with us ? We are there biggest market we import twice as much as we export ,we will leave and not much will change other than we will be able to trade with the rest of the world

Merkel pretty much runs the EU. The German economy is now bigger than ours. Yes it would hit the EU if we left but they'd survive. Do we have the influence we once had to making good trade deals like we did before? Yes we owned 25% of the world but look at us now.

We are,unfortunately, a has been nation. But yet still have so much potential our "leaders" can't see it. Britain could once again become the top dog with out having the biggest military, we were once world reknown for our science and engineering. Some may argue that we pretty much revolutionised the modern world. Yet now we're lagging behind.

This country can and will be great again, f**k all this immigration shite, this country needs to focus on science and engineering. Aaaand spend more on the military a bit.

Went slightly off topic but it's all linked if you think about it.

i think this post sums up the position quite well. those who want to stay in the EU don't believe in britain, those that want to leave believe we live in a country that has a future.

you say, for example that the UK, the 5th highest importer in the world, ahead of all nations except the USA, China, Germany and Japan, (as well as being the 10th largest exporter) does not have the influence to make its own trade deals. Comical stuff.

Free trade with the EU benefits us hugely. We should stay definitely. Yes I we need to negotiate with the EU for powers back big time. But I believe leaving the EU would hit our economy. And unfortunately having a good economy means you can give your people a good standard of living.

Money doesn't buy you happiness apparently. Well they're right, in this day and age money buys you life.

The eu needs us more than we need them do you honestly think they would not trade with us ? We are there biggest market we import twice as much as we export ,we will leave and not much will change other than we will be able to trade with the rest of the world

Merkel pretty much runs the EU. The German economy is now bigger than ours. Yes it would hit the EU if we left but they'd survive. Do we have the influence we once had to making good trade deals like we did before? Yes we owned 25% of the world but look at us now.

We are,unfortunately, a has been nation. But yet still have so much potential our "leaders" can't see it. Britain could once again become the top dog with out having the biggest military, we were once world reknown for our science and engineering. Some may argue that we pretty much revolutionised the modern world. Yet now we're lagging behind.

This country can and will be great again, f**k all this immigration shite, this country needs to focus on science and engineering. Aaaand spend more on the military a bit.

Went slightly off topic but it's all linked if you think about it.

i think this post sums up the position quite well. those who want to stay in the EU don't believe in britain, those that want to leave believe we live in a country that has a future.

you say, for example that the UK, the 5th highest importer in the world, ahead of all nations except the USA, China, Germany and Japan, (as well as being the 10th largest exporter) does not have the influence to make its own trade deals. Comical stuff.

Free trade with the EU benefits us hugely. We should stay definitely. Yes I we need to negotiate with the EU for powers back big time. But I believe leaving the EU would hit our economy. And unfortunately having a good economy means you can give your people a good standard of living.

Money doesn't buy you happiness apparently. Well they're right, in this day and age money buys you life.

The eu needs us more than we need them do you honestly think they would not trade with us ? We are there biggest market we import twice as much as we export ,we will leave and not much will change other than we will be able to trade with the rest of the world

Merkel pretty much runs the EU. The German economy is now bigger than ours. Yes it would hit the EU if we left but they'd survive. Do we have the influence we once had to making good trade deals like we did before? Yes we owned 25% of the world but look at us now.

We are,unfortunately, a has been nation. But yet still have so much potential our "leaders" can't see it. Britain could once again become the top dog with out having the biggest military, we were once world reknown for our science and engineering. Some may argue that we pretty much revolutionised the modern world. Yet now we're lagging behind.

This country can and will be great again, f**k all this immigration shite, this country needs to focus on science and engineering. Aaaand spend more on the military a bit.

Went slightly off topic but it's all linked if you think about it.

i think this post sums up the position quite well. those who want to stay in the EU don't believe in britain, those that want to leave believe we live in a country that has a future.

you say, for example that the UK, the 5th highest importer in the world, ahead of all nations except the USA, China, Germany and Japan, (as well as being the 10th largest exporter) does not have the influence to make its own trade deals. Comical stuff.

So you're twisting my words. I didn't say Brotton WASN'T capable of having influence or using it. I said we don't have as much as we did before. We are weaker.

Bare with me had a few to drink. Meant to say I didn't say we ain't capable of influence.

"UKIP don't speak for Wales, Plaid do".

Obviously not a position reflected by the majority in the country. UKIP had over 20k more votes that Plaid in Wales and are on course to beat them in the forthcoming Welsh Government elections.

If the polls are to be believe, UKIP will have some representation down the bay after the election.

"UKIP don't speak for Wales, Plaid do".

Obviously not a position reflected by the majority in the country. UKIP had over 20k more votes that Plaid in Wales and are on course to beat them in the forthcoming Welsh Government elections.

If the polls are to be believe, UKIP will have some representation down the bay after the election.

Well Wales is definitely fucked then!!

"UKIP don't speak for Wales, Plaid do".

Obviously not a position reflected by the majority in the country. UKIP had over 20k more votes that Plaid in Wales and are on course to beat them in the forthcoming Welsh Government elections.

If the polls are to be believe, UKIP will have some representation down the bay after the election.

Well Wales is definitely fucked then!!

Can't be anymore fucked than it is now after electing labour MPs time and time again for a hundred years. Some of the biggest shit holes in Wales have only had labour MPs. Time for a change.

"UKIP don't speak for Wales, Plaid do".

Obviously not a position reflected by the majority in the country. UKIP had over 20k more votes that Plaid in Wales and are on course to beat them in the forthcoming Welsh Government elections.

If the polls are to be believe, UKIP will have some representation down the bay after the election.

Well Wales is definitely fucked then!!

Can't be anymore fucked than it is now after electing labour MPs time and time again for a hundred years. Some of the biggest shit holes in Wales have only had labour MPs. Time for a change.

See, what's frustrates me with Welsh labour is, they centralise everything around cardiff. Now as someone who lives in Bridgend. I'd obviously think it's unfair, but think how marketable bridgend is, we're in the middle of Wales two biggest cities.