Anyone think killing those ISIS lads was wrong?

i dont support ISIS ..... its a situation we created and now needs sorting out [if it ever can be] ... i feel the world because of our interfering is now completely fucked and unfixable

Lee I agree with you. Bush, Blair, Obama, Brown, Cameron, But why ? Because of Oil ? Or just the more immigrants that come our way will vote for there party to keep them in office ? I have no idea but they have fooked up the world.
Now who are deserving of coming over ? Definitely not the Muslims let them kill each other over there. It's the Christians that are being persecuted and being massacred. In my view only the Christians should be allowed. We get the pictures that everyone goes all soppy over but don't realise that Christians are being thrown overboard on these boats.
The media show these pictures of these babies kids and whoever on the beaches and it is sad but will they show pictures of what ISIS are doing to kids and women ? Seen pictures today of three rifles pointed at the head of a two year old Christian just before they shot him. One of a father holding the headless corpse of a little girl because she was a Christian. And one of a naked Christian woman with her throat being cut and they were catching her blood in a bucket. Why do the press not show this ? Are they frightened people would see what is really happening.
Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad, were and are evil bastards but they were evil bastards that kept there savages under control and now no one is keeping them under control thanks to the West.

No point in fuking about with this mob anymore. It's got to the stage where we have to commit one way or the other. Either totally pull out of the area and let it come to its own conclusion (wash our hands with the place) or we need to go in with everything we have, a massive united effort, middle east, Europe, America, everyone, a huge force, ground, air everything, then totally sweep the area, it might take a few years, but no half hearted bullshit like the Iraq war...don't leave until every last one of them are dead.....and stay there until a fully functioning proper government is in place who everyone is happy with, and adequate security in place to never let this happen again, that part should be left to other Arab countries to sort out

No point in fuking about with this mob anymore. It's got to the stage where we have to commit one way or the other. Either totally pull out of the area and let it come to its own conclusion (wash our hands with the place) or we need to go in with everything we have, a massive united effort, middle east, Europe, America, everyone, a huge force, ground, air everything, then totally sweep the area, it might take a few years, but no half hearted bullshit like the Iraq war...don't leave until every last one of them are dead.....and stay there until a fully functioning proper government is in place who everyone is happy with, and adequate security in place to never let this happen again, that part should be left to other Arab countries to sort out

totally agree

I wish the media would stop calling these mongrels "British" There's f**k all British about them. Scumbags , hope there was nothing left of him.

Scumbags Not "British"

They are only British when they want to be

The West initially backed ISIS in order to defeat Assad. Just as they sided with Sadam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war, with the Taliban to overthrow the Soviets in Afghanistan and with Bin Laden in Kosovo.NATO countries, especially Britain and USA will make alliances with anyone to suit their global strategies. Of course, we now support fundamentalist Muslim regimes in Saudi and Bahrain which operate very similar appalling pracitices to ISIS. Remember that Muslims are taking the lead in fighting ISIS, in the form of the Kurds, who are being bombed by Turkey (with Western support). Not that simple,is it?

The greatest trick the devil ever played........was creating oil reserves in the Middle East.

No point in fuking about with this mob anymore. It's got to the stage where we have to commit one way or the other. Either totally pull out of the area and let it come to its own conclusion (wash our hands with the place) or we need to go in with everything we have, a massive united effort, middle east, Europe, America, everyone, a huge force, ground, air everything, then totally sweep the area, it might take a few years, but no half hearted bullshit like the Iraq war...don't leave until every last one of them are dead.....and stay there until a fully functioning proper government is in place who everyone is happy with, and adequate security in place to never let this happen again, that part should be left to other Arab countries to sort out

Do you mean like the crusades?

There religion took them down that path.

Not disputing this Nukes but why was their religion allowed to take them down this path? In my opinion, some are just evil like the hate preachers on our streets and these people are the ones praying on younger Muslims in difficult times and telling them there is a better alternative. I cant say I'm surprised by the current trends of rising inequality and other problems. A lot of these youngsters are university educated. There is something that has led to their disillusion with staying on the right path and in my opinion it is (a) the way the west has become in some ways and (b) hate preachers taking advantage of them.

The worst thing the UK did was let these hate preachers stay in the country spouting their nonsense and allowing youngsters turn to these people in a time of need, only to be brainwashed into believing a Jihadist life is a better alternative. If you watch some of the videos online you can see that some of these people are talking as if they're in a trance and often talking a load of rubbish which further illustrates their delusion.

There is a rise in the UK of all youngsters joining extremist groups and thats because of society as a whole. Younger whites are becoming disillusioned with the way things are and are joining the EDL and BF. Young black lads in London are joining more gangs and seeking community and a sense of belonging there, only to be exploited by gang leaders who just want to use them to push drugs and take the fall if they get caught. In this instance, the problem is that hate preachers have been given a platform in France and the UK, due to liberal loonies, to take advantage of young Muslims when they should have been kicked out or put in prison years ago. Instead they've been radicalising all over the UK, something which should not be tolerated.

The disillusion with the west in my opinion comes from entitlement. A lot of these kids are spoilt, are told they can be whatever they want to be, have had their cake and now they want to eat it. They go to university and think they will walk into a top job earning amazing money but when the reality sinks in of what life is really like these people then lash out and look for answers elsewhere. Suddenly they believe the life they 'expected' isn't as it seems and now they want to seek an alternative. This is when group leaders, hate preachers and gang leaders swoop in. Its easier to convince someone disillusioned with life to do as you wish.

Personally, I think the root to cutting out a lot of these ills is to put a stop to this materialistic society we live in, teach kids to be thankful for what they have (a lot of good parents already do this) and to ensure children grow up grounded and have a realistic outlook of the world and its troubles. Notice how so many of these Jihadists are coming from the RICHER Western European nations and that is why I believe it stems from entitlement and materialism. In the poorer Central and Eastern European nations in a lot of parts this culture of entitlement and always getting their own way hasn't crept in much, yet some of these countries have a higher proportion of Muslims in regard to the population overall than the UK. Islamic State are doing a good job at luring westerners because of all the ills and breakdowns in western society, in terms of entitlement, social cohesion and other issues.

Of course, the people who join and go and do these things are obviously to blame for their own actions but it is overly simplistic to just blame religion. If thats the case, then why aren't of loads of Bulgarian Muslims, of which there are lots (roughly 1.5 million), not going to join them? Why aren't Muslims in Poland going to join them? The root cause in my opinion is that these teenagers and young adults are sick of the unequal capitalist societies further west and are looking to find a cause, belonging, meaning and true purpose in their life. Unfortunately, at this point, vile hateful educated preachers who know fully what they're doing, pray on these vulnerable youngsters to carry out their ideological aims whilst they sit in their nice home away from it all. The hate preachers are the problem and they're vermin manipulative cowards.

The reason ISIS exists is because of the west constantly interfering in their politics. Build a wall around the middle east, no one is allowed out. If they want the middle ages they can have it, nothing to do with us.

Both foreign policy and domestic policy has played its part. The combination of both is why so many Westerners in particular are joining Islamic State.

The West initially backed ISIS in order to defeat Assad. Just as they sided with Sadam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war, with the Taliban to overthrow the Soviets in Afghanistan and with Bin Laden in Kosovo.NATO countries, especially Britain and USA will make alliances with anyone to suit their global strategies. Of course, we now support fundamentalist Muslim regimes in Saudi and Bahrain which operate very similar appalling pracitices to ISIS. Remember that Muslims are taking the lead in fighting ISIS, in the form of the Kurds, who are being bombed by Turkey (with Western support). Not that simple,is it?

Incorrect, the west wanted to back the Free Syrian Army against Assad but Miliband and his labour chums refused to support them because they were playing party politics with an election coming up. That decision left hung the Free Syrian Army hung out to dry against Assads forces which then allowed Isis to offer their support but with alternative agenda. Labour Party are very much to blame with this refugee crisis yet they are the first ones to be shouting and screaming over this refugee crisis.

The West initially backed ISIS in order to defeat Assad. Just as they sided with Sadam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war, with the Taliban to overthrow the Soviets in Afghanistan and with Bin Laden in Kosovo.NATO countries, especially Britain and USA will make alliances with anyone to suit their global strategies. Of course, we now support fundamentalist Muslim regimes in Saudi and Bahrain which operate very similar appalling pracitices to ISIS. Remember that Muslims are taking the lead in fighting ISIS, in the form of the Kurds, who are being bombed by Turkey (with Western support). Not that simple,is it?

Incorrect, the west wanted to back the Free Syrian Army against Assad but Miliband and his labour chums refused to support them because they were playing party politics with an election coming up. That decision left hung the Free Syrian Army hung out to dry against Assads forces which then allowed Isis to offer their support but with alternative agenda. Labour Party are very much to blame with this refugee crisis yet they are the first ones to be shouting and screaming over this refugee crisis.

ISIS were always part of the opposition to Assad.

The West initially backed ISIS in order to defeat Assad. Just as they sided with Sadam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war, with the Taliban to overthrow the Soviets in Afghanistan and with Bin Laden in Kosovo.NATO countries, especially Britain and USA will make alliances with anyone to suit their global strategies. Of course, we now support fundamentalist Muslim regimes in Saudi and Bahrain which operate very similar appalling pracitices to ISIS. Remember that Muslims are taking the lead in fighting ISIS, in the form of the Kurds, who are being bombed by Turkey (with Western support). Not that simple,is it?

Incorrect, the west wanted to back the Free Syrian Army against Assad but Miliband and his labour chums refused to support them because they were playing party politics with an election coming up. That decision left hung the Free Syrian Army hung out to dry against Assads forces which then allowed Isis to offer their support but with alternative agenda. Labour Party are very much to blame with this refugee crisis yet they are the first ones to be shouting and screaming over this refugee crisis.

ISIS were always part of the opposition to Assad.

Everyone was against Assad but it was the Free Syrian which took the fight to him at first and the west let them down with their refusal of help. That refusal allowed Isis to get more involved with the Free Syrian Army because they had no one else to turn too

The point in which a society questions the morality over the killing of someone trying to kill its own citizenry is a new low for me. He chose the side on which to fight and now i can confirm he has lost

In my opinion he stopped being a UK citizen the moment he choose to go off and fight for Isis. Treason isn't it ?

There religion took them down that path.

Not disputing this Nukes but why was their religion allowed to take them down this path? In my opinion, some are just evil like the hate preachers on our streets and these people are the ones praying on younger Muslims in difficult times and telling them there is a better alternative. I cant say I'm surprised by the current trends of rising inequality and other problems. A lot of these youngsters are university educated. There is something that has led to their disillusion with staying on the right path and in my opinion it is (a) the way the west has become in some ways and (b) hate preachers taking advantage of them.

The worst thing the UK did was let these hate preachers stay in the country spouting their nonsense and allowing youngsters turn to these people in a time of need, only to be brainwashed into believing a Jihadist life is a better alternative. If you watch some of the videos online you can see that some of these people are talking as if they're in a trance and often talking a load of rubbish which further illustrates their delusion.

There is a rise in the UK of all youngsters joining extremist groups and thats because of society as a whole. Younger whites are becoming disillusioned with the way things are and are joining the EDL and BF. Young black lads in London are joining more gangs and seeking community and a sense of belonging there, only to be exploited by gang leaders who just want to use them to push drugs and take the fall if they get caught. In this instance, the problem is that hate preachers have been given a platform in France and the UK, due to liberal loonies, to take advantage of young Muslims when they should have been kicked out or put in prison years ago. Instead they've been radicalising all over the UK, something which should not be tolerated.

The disillusion with the west in my opinion comes from entitlement. A lot of these kids are spoilt, are told they can be whatever they want to be, have had their cake and now they want to eat it. They go to university and think they will walk into a top job earning amazing money but when the reality sinks in of what life is really like these people then lash out and look for answers elsewhere. Suddenly they believe the life they 'expected' isn't as it seems and now they want to seek an alternative. This is when group leaders, hate preachers and gang leaders swoop in. Its easier to convince someone disillusioned with life to do as you wish.

Personally, I think the root to cutting out a lot of these ills is to put a stop to this materialistic society we live in, teach kids to be thankful for what they have (a lot of good parents already do this) and to ensure children grow up grounded and have a realistic outlook of the world and its troubles. Notice how so many of these Jihadists are coming from the RICHER Western European nations and that is why I believe it stems from entitlement and materialism. In the poorer Central and Eastern European nations in a lot of parts this culture of entitlement and always getting their own way hasn't crept in much, yet some of these countries have a higher proportion of Muslims in regard to the population overall than the UK. Islamic State are doing a good job at luring westerners because of all the ills and breakdowns in western society, in terms of entitlement, social cohesion and other issues.

Of course, the people who join and go and do these things are obviously to blame for their own actions but it is overly simplistic to just blame religion. If thats the case, then why aren't of loads of Bulgarian Muslims, of which there are lots (roughly 1.5 million), not going to join them? Why aren't Muslims in Poland going to join them? The root cause in my opinion is that these teenagers and young adults are sick of the unequal capitalist societies further west and are looking to find a cause, belonging, meaning and true purpose in their life. Unfortunately, at this point, vile hateful educated preachers who know fully what they're doing, pray on these vulnerable youngsters to carry out their ideological aims whilst they sit in their nice home away from it all. The hate preachers are the problem and they're vermin manipulative cowards.

That Baghdad of ISIS is simply supposed to be a front isn't he. A puppet to control the masses. When it is mainly about making money. The people behind the scenes are a lot worse. Like so many other scenarios, the people at the top sit back, letting the gullible at the bottom do all the leg work. Like the Saudi's. They couldn't give a monkeys about preserving the middle east, or Islamic heritage. Money talks, money comes first.

They use religion to galvanise the weakest, who have accepted their lives are meant to be hell. But I don't see a reason for them to. What some have done to their homeland, they have every right to feel aggrieved.

There are 1.57million muslims in the world and sunnis make up 90% of them. Quite the invisible army, fully behind their cause as they make us believe. They do it to scare us.

This is dressed up as a islamic crusade but it really is simply like any other war, about geography and money.

Hope the c**t's rot in hell.

i dont support ISIS ..... its a situation we created and now needs sorting out [if it ever can be] ... i feel the world because of our interfering is now completely fucked and unfixable

Lee I agree with you. Bush, Blair, Obama, Brown, Cameron, But why ? Because of Oil ? Or just the more immigrants that come our way will vote for there party to keep them in office ? I have no idea but they have fooked up the world.
Now who are deserving of coming over ? Definitely not the Muslims let them kill each other over there. It's the Christians that are being persecuted and being massacred. In my view only the Christians should be allowed. We get the pictures that everyone goes all soppy over but don't realise that Christians are being thrown overboard on these boats.
The media show these pictures of these babies kids and whoever on the beaches and it is sad but will they show pictures of what ISIS are doing to kids and women ? Seen pictures today of three rifles pointed at the head of a two year old Christian just before they shot him. One of a father holding the headless corpse of a little girl because she was a Christian. And one of a naked Christian woman with her throat being cut and they were catching her blood in a bucket. Why do the press not show this ? Are they frightened people would see what is really happening.
Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad, were and are evil bastards but they were evil bastards that kept there savages under control and now no one is keeping them under control thanks to the West.

do you really need telling in this day and age that not all muslims are terrorists???

but then if i recall you have some pretty backwards ideas on relion and immigration (sorry if im thinking of someone else, i rarely come on this board any more)

oh and by the way:
THERE
THEIR
THEY'RE

^i bet you're the first to complain when people don't learn the language. do yourself a favour and learn it yourself

Poor guys.

They've been brainwashed.
Instructed to fight under a false pretense
Had their superious dehumanise the enemy to the point that they are seen as vermin and animals
then put straight in the firing line to be blown up

sounds a lot like the british army IMO

What I can never understand with any religion, is why they care when they die ? If they believe so strongly in life after death why give a shit.

Anyway, all these traitors should be taken out. My worry is why stop anyone going, surely be better for them to die over there, than have a chance to take a load of innocent people over here ?

This country is fucked anyway as different religions side by side do not work. I once had a mate who's brother owned a shop and he once told me (before 9/11) that Muslims want to take over the UK. At the time I never took no notice. But looking back I wonder if he was talking off the cuff or new something

What I can never understand with any religion, is why they care when they die ? If they believe so strongly in life after death why give a shit.

Anyway, all these traitors should be taken out. My worry is why stop anyone going, surely be better for them to die over there, than have a chance to take a load of innocent people over here ?

This country is fucked anyway as different religions side by side do not work. I once had a mate who's brother owned a shop and he once told me (before 9/11) that Muslims want to take over the UK. At the time I never took no notice. But looking back I wonder if he was talking off the cuff or new something

muslims dont want to take over the UK....theres over 1 billion muslims, if they wanted to take over the UK it would have been a fairly simple task.

did you consider that, like many of us, they just wanted a better life for themselves and thought that they could live alongside a religion that preaches tolerance? surely that would make more sense

Just to put a fun spin on this. Here you go!

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... -young-men

Good Riddance to the scum
why do Muslims want to be in the UK ?
a so called Christian non Muslim country the evil west with religious freedom respect for woman the total opposite of them ?
strange don't understand
go live in a Muslim country LEAVE PLEASE LEAVE I`m sure they would be much happier

Why do the government need to tell the public everything if its security related should have kept IT quiet
unless the government want them to kick off

These people calling for an enquiry into the detahs would be the first to moan if the guy had killed someone and we could have prevented it.

"Self Defence" does not mean that you have to wait to be hit before you can taken action.

Well done Camerom

Poor guys.

They've been brainwashed.
Instructed to fight under a false pretense
Had their superious dehumanise the enemy to the point that they are seen as vermin and animals
then put straight in the firing line to be blown up

sounds a lot like the british army IMO

How dare you compare those scum to the British Army.
Our army does the exact opposite. It respects and is educated to protect innocent people.
These Muslims target the innocent and defenceless as they are cowards.
They use their religion (which is itself backward, stone age, hateful, non accepting of other beliefs/cultures) to carry out crimes. The people who are part of it are losers who would never achieve anything in their lives, and therefore are attracted to something that makes them feel important and allows them to carry out evil crimes. With the full support of the Muslim religion/community.

I think it was perfectly legal and justifiable. There was rumours they were plotting an attack on the queen. The MOD main objective is to defend the queen and her monarch...sadly.

What I can never understand with any religion, is why they care when they die ? If they believe so strongly in life after death why give a shit.

Anyway, all these traitors should be taken out. My worry is why stop anyone going, surely be better for them to die over there, than have a chance to take a load of innocent people over here ?

This country is fucked anyway as different religions side by side do not work. I once had a mate who's brother owned a shop and he once told me (before 9/11) that Muslims want to take over the UK. At the time I never took no notice. But looking back I wonder if he was talking off the cuff or new something

Different religions side by side does work in this country. Works very well actually. Its just a few right wing assholes on both sides of religions who tarnish them all. I think we work as a multi-cultural society.

Thats coming from an atheist by the way.

Poor guys.

They've been brainwashed.
Instructed to fight under a false pretense
Had their superious dehumanise the enemy to the point that they are seen as vermin and animals
then put straight in the firing line to be blown up

sounds a lot like the british army IMO

How dare you compare those scum to the British Army.
Our army does the exact opposite. It respects and is educated to protect innocent people.
These Muslims target the innocent and defenceless as they are cowards.
They use their religion (which is itself backward, stone age, hateful, non accepting of other beliefs/cultures) to carry out crimes. The people who are part of it are losers who would never achieve anything in their lives, and therefore are attracted to something that makes them feel important and allows them to carry out evil crimes. With the full support of the Muslim religion/community.

I'm not speaking negatively of the British Army (i think its illegal isnt it? thats what you'd guess reading this board).

but they are simply pawns in a larger organisation that will send them do do their bidding under whatever pretense fits the narative.

To suggest anything else is to suggest the army make their own decisions, they dont. It's simple.

But saying "hey kids, protect out oil interests overseas" is a tough sell. So the army recruiters do what they have always done; target the dullest 40% of kids in schools and say "hey, you wont be up to much academically, so why not join the army?" ...training, skills, be the best yada yada yada.

now before i get attacked for that i just wanna say: soldiers arent dull by any means, im saying thats who army recruitment is AIMED AT. because the last thing a government in this day and age needs is an army that thinks for itself...there'd be a coup within months.

therefore i feel sorry for those who have been indoctrinated in to the thinking that the work the army is sent to do is some how noble....there's nothing noble about killing 1 million iraqi civillians for example.

many will take this the wrong way...but i think the soldiers are brave and noble people fighting for something they believe is right. But in actual fact are being lead astray by the powers that be....not exactly a million miles away from some of the people involved with ISIS in my opinion....

Who the f**k do you think you are ? If it wasn't for our brave troops over the years you wouldn't have a chance to talk so much nonsense.

Maybe through your eyes the British army is low down in your estimations but you should be f*cking greatful that they stood up to the likes of Hitler were I bet you would have turned a blind eye

They Certainly arnt British

These ISIS fighters deserve everytthing that will happen to them in the next couple of months , Hope their wiped off the face of the Earth - Scum !!!!!!

ISIS call themselves Muslims ,

They are NOT , there is nothing wrong with the majority of Muslims. Its just the certain scum of the earth that ruin it for the rest of the Islamic religion

It really f**ks me off my farther and grandfather as well as others fought to give all these do-gooders a free country with out living in fear ,and you all come out the woodwork to support these scum if you don't like the UK f**ck off somewhere else ,the Muslim community of Cardiff was just on the radio saying they want an explanation of what has occurred ,its simple he was a traitor to the UK and got what he deserved ,don't like it don't live here simple,but they want the penny and the bun live in a free society but stick the knife in when it suits them .