' Swansea City chairman Huw Jenkins '

The jacks call our ground Lego land but at least we own our ground I like Lego land because we can expand our ground any time and the design of the ground lets us do that .ive been in the Liberty not just on match day I have been all over it its a concrete jungle .a lot of jacks who came up to our ground for the first time for the beligum game told me they liked our ground and is far better located than the liberty that's good enough for me

In what way is it better located ?

2 train stations within walking distance. Only a couple of miles from city centre. Good road network. Within a mile of lots of pubs plus the retail park has range of places to eat.

The jacks call our ground Lego land but at least we own our ground I like Lego land because we can expand our ground any time and the design of the ground lets us do that .ive been in the Liberty not just on match day I have been all over it its a concrete jungle .a lot of jacks who came up to our ground for the first time for the beligum game told me they liked our ground and is far better located than the liberty that's good enough for me

In what way is it better located ?

2 train stations within walking distance. Only a couple of miles from city centre. Good road network. Within a mile of lots of pubs plus the retail park has range of places to eat.

So basically the same as the liberty, except only one train station.

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I wonder as you're so well informed of all things Swansea could you explain the difference between Swansea's current agreed arrangement with their Council and Cardiff's Council decision to "gift" land worth between 50 - 70 million pounds ,for the building of CCS, ? with no consultation with the rate payers or any likely hood that the money would be repaid

How much has that money been returned to the good taxpayers of Cardiff ? and no you didn't pay towards the 25 million, that is a debt still owed to this current regime and that debt will ultimately be repaid by the fans .

Something similar happened regarding the Cardiff Devils with a lease agreement which basically means the Cardiff rate payers are now paying for the Cardiff Devils to have free ice time by paying Planet Ice an inflated rental charge for a building that CCC should have owned from day one in the capital purchase of the BBT at a cost to rate payers at that time of £2.5 million![/quote]
The land was never worth 50-70 million. It was also land that the football club sold to the council in the late 80s for 50k so that the council could build the leckwith stadium.

Ccfc had to pay for the road improvements around the ground for the planning permission to go through. The revenues generated from the large retail park and the building of new athletics stadium have gone a long way towards paying the council back. The housing development on ninian park includes social housing which has added to the city's housing stock.[/quote]

I believe Cardiff council, which owned both the original Leckwith stadium and Ninian Park, made an enormously generous contribution, donating around £40m of public money from selling both sites for the new stadium The Club provided £4m from selling its lease on Ninian Park, which then attracted a £2.8m grant from the Football Stadium Improvement Fund, and asked to put in only a further £9m.? No figures have ever been made public as how much money has been returned to the local ratepayers .

So Swansea Council confirms what I have been saying for years that they have not received a single penny in income from either of the sporting clubs who use the Liberty stadium. The stadium cost over £27m of public monies, not to mention the £2.3m loan written off by the council for the cost of fitting out the hospitality areas, whilst Swansea City football club receive £m's in PL income.

Little wonder UEFA continue to investigate this sordid arrangement which amounts to State Aid of private business. The question is where is the Welsh Audit Office and just why are they allowing this situation to continue.

and they continue to defend this situation total hypocrites! at least we made our own way yes with help from council but at least we contributed 25m to our stadium! no one will say sea about this as probably making money from situation themselves.

I wonder as you're so well informed of all things Swansea could you explain the difference between Swansea's current agreed arrangement with their Council and Cardiff's Council decision to "gift" land worth between 50 - 70 million pounds ,for the building of CCS, ? with no consultation with the rate payers or any likely hood that the money would be repaid

Major difference here as Cardiff Council are still owners of the land the stadium is built on and also the council and therefore ratepayers benefits from taxes from the retail park etc.

Big Big difference here.

So who benefits from the taxes at the retail park, next to the liberty then ? The man on the moon.

Has the man on the moon leased any of the land from Swansea City Council ? Look both stadiums were financed in similar ways where some public land was sold to allow the development of retail parks and the monies raised used to part finance the construction of the stadiums. Unlike Swansea City our club undertook to take up responsibility for funding any shortfall in the stadium build, like fitting out the hospitality areas and at the time of opening Cardiff City own the stadium and the balance of debt.

The land on which the stadiums were built remains in public ownership and in the case of Cardiff City the land was leased to the club for 125 years and the club as leaseholder pays ground rent to the freeholder, Cardiff Council, together with business rates.

In the case of Swansea City the club never paid a single penny for the development of the stadium and any additional costs like fitting out the hospitality areas were funded 100% by Swansea City Council. Part of this funding £2.37m was issued in the form of a mortgage which later had to be written off as not a single penny was being repaid, this whilst Swansea City received over £1m per season from the sale of tickets to these areas. Swansea City run a private business from the Liberty Stadium but are yet to pay any business rates and as we know have not paid a single penny in either ground rent or from revenue raised from non football events held at the stadium. All such income is being absorbed and used to subsidise the running costs of both sports club who use the stadium.

In short it's called "State Aid" of private business and is why the European Commission is investigating the arrangements surrounding the use of the Liberty Stadium.

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I wonder as you're so well informed of all things Swansea could you explain the difference between Swansea's current agreed arrangement with their Council and Cardiff's Council decision to "gift" land worth between 50 - 70 million pounds ,for the building of CCS, ? with no consultation with the rate payers or any likely hood that the money would be repaid

How much has that money been returned to the good taxpayers of Cardiff ? and no you didn't pay towards the 25 million, that is a debt still owed to this current regime and that debt will ultimately be repaid by the fans .

Something similar happened regarding the Cardiff Devils with a lease agreement which basically means the Cardiff rate payers are now paying for the Cardiff Devils to have free ice time by paying Planet Ice an inflated rental charge for a building that CCC should have owned from day one in the capital purchase of the BBT at a cost to rate payers at that time of £2.5 million!

The land was never worth 50-70 million. It was also land that the football club sold to the council in the late 80s for 50k so that the council could build the leckwith stadium.

Ccfc had to pay for the road improvements around the ground for the planning permission to go through. The revenues generated from the large retail park and the building of new athletics stadium have gone a long way towards paying the council back. The housing development on ninian park includes social housing which has added to the city's housing stock.[/quote]

I believe Cardiff council, which owned both the original Leckwith stadium and Ninian Park, made an enormously generous contribution, donating around £40m of public money from selling both sites for the new stadium The Club provided £4m from selling its lease on Ninian Park, which then attracted a £2.8m grant from the Football Stadium Improvement Fund, and asked to put in only a further £9m.? No figures have ever been made public as how much money has been returned to the local ratepayers .[/quote]
A poster on here since62 might be able to give full picture but my understanding of it is that the council tax payers of Cardiff have not paid a penny towards stadium. As I said earlier the land originally belonged to club and was sold in late 80s early 90s for a pittance (50k) which even then was way under the market value so technically the land that the club got for stadium cost the council 50 grand. As part of the deal for stadium a new records office for the council was built saving council much money. All road links and athletics stadium which is way better than leckwith were paid for by club/developer.

As a matter of interest has the Morfa stadium been replaced since redevelopment?

So Swansea Council confirms what I have been saying for years that they have not received a single penny in income from either of the sporting clubs who use the Liberty stadium. The stadium cost over £27m of public monies, not to mention the £2.3m loan written off by the council for the cost of fitting out the hospitality areas, whilst Swansea City football club receive £m's in PL income.

Little wonder UEFA continue to investigate this sordid arrangement which amounts to State Aid of private business. The question is where is the Welsh Audit Office and just why are they allowing this situation to continue.

and they continue to defend this situation total hypocrites! at least we made our own way yes with help from council but at least we contributed 25m to our stadium! no one will say sea about this as probably making money from situation themselves.

I wonder as you're so well informed of all things Swansea could you explain the difference between Swansea's current agreed arrangement with their Council and Cardiff's Council decision to "gift" land worth between 50 - 70 million pounds ,for the building of CCS, ? with no consultation with the rate payers or any likely hood that the money would be repaid

Major difference here as Cardiff Council are still owners of the land the stadium is built on and also the council and therefore ratepayers benefits from taxes from the retail park etc.

Big Big difference here.

So who benefits from the taxes at the retail park, next to the liberty then ? The man on the moon.

Has the man on the moon leased any of the land from Swansea City Council ? Look both stadiums were financed in similar ways where some public land was sold to allow the development of retail parks and the monies raised used to part finance the construction of the stadiums. Unlike Swansea City our club undertook to take up responsibility for funding any shortfall in the stadium build, like fitting out the hospitality areas and at the time of opening Cardiff City own the stadium and the balance of debt.

The land on which the stadiums were built remains in public ownership and in the case of Cardiff City the land was leased to the club for 125 years and the club as leaseholder pays ground rent to the freeholder, Cardiff Council, together with business rates.

In the case of Swansea City the club never paid a single penny for the development of the stadium and any additional costs like fitting out the hospitality areas were funded 100% by Swansea City Council. Part of this funding £2.37m was issued in the form of a mortgage which later had to be written off as not a single penny was being repaid, this whilst Swansea City received over £1m per season from the sale of tickets to these areas. Swansea City run a private business from the Liberty Stadium but are yet to pay any business rates and as we know have not paid a single penny in either ground rent or from revenue raised from non football events held at the stadium. All such income is being absorbed and used to subsidise the running costs of both sports club who use the stadium.

In short it's called "State Aid" of private business and is why the European Commission is investigating the arrangements surrounding the use of the Liberty Stadium.

Of course SCFC have been paying rent, to stadco the company that runs the liberty. Non footballing events have nothing to do with SCFC, that's involves stadco and the event organisers.

So Swansea Council confirms what I have been saying for years that they have not received a single penny in income from either of the sporting clubs who use the Liberty stadium. The stadium cost over £27m of public monies, not to mention the £2.3m loan written off by the council for the cost of fitting out the hospitality areas, whilst Swansea City football club receive £m's in PL income.

Little wonder UEFA continue to investigate this sordid arrangement which amounts to State Aid of private business. The question is where is the Welsh Audit Office and just why are they allowing this situation to continue.

and they continue to defend this situation total hypocrites! at least we made our own way yes with help from council but at least we contributed 25m to our stadium! no one will say sea about this as probably making money from situation themselves.

I wonder as you're so well informed of all things Swansea could you explain the difference between Swansea's current agreed arrangement with their Council and Cardiff's Council decision to "gift" land worth between 50 - 70 million pounds ,for the building of CCS, ? with no consultation with the rate payers or any likely hood that the money would be repaid

Major difference here as Cardiff Council are still owners of the land the stadium is built on and also the council and therefore ratepayers benefits from taxes from the retail park etc.

Big Big difference here.

So who benefits from the taxes at the retail park, next to the liberty then ? The man on the moon.

Has the man on the moon leased any of the land from Swansea City Council ? Look both stadiums were financed in similar ways where some public land was sold to allow the development of retail parks and the monies raised used to part finance the construction of the stadiums. Unlike Swansea City our club undertook to take up responsibility for funding any shortfall in the stadium build, like fitting out the hospitality areas and at the time of opening Cardiff City own the stadium and the balance of debt.

The land on which the stadiums were built remains in public ownership and in the case of Cardiff City the land was leased to the club for 125 years and the club as leaseholder pays ground rent to the freeholder, Cardiff Council, together with business rates.

In the case of Swansea City the club never paid a single penny for the development of the stadium and any additional costs like fitting out the hospitality areas were funded 100% by Swansea City Council. Part of this funding £2.37m was issued in the form of a mortgage which later had to be written off as not a single penny was being repaid, this whilst Swansea City received over £1m per season from the sale of tickets to these areas. Swansea City run a private business from the Liberty Stadium but are yet to pay any business rates and as we know have not paid a single penny in either ground rent or from revenue raised from non football events held at the stadium. All such income is being absorbed and used to subsidise the running costs of both sports club who use the stadium.

In short it's called "State Aid" of private business and is why the European Commission is investigating the arrangements surrounding the use of the Liberty Stadium.

Of course SCFC have been paying rent, to stadco the company that runs the liberty. Non footballing events have nothing to do with SCFC, that's involves stadco and the event organisers.

And there is the denial let's all hide behind the Stadium Management Company.

So Swansea Council confirms what I have been saying for years that they have not received a single penny in income from either of the sporting clubs who use the Liberty stadium. The stadium cost over £27m of public monies, not to mention the £2.3m loan written off by the council for the cost of fitting out the hospitality areas, whilst Swansea City football club receive £m's in PL income.

Little wonder UEFA continue to investigate this sordid arrangement which amounts to State Aid of private business. The question is where is the Welsh Audit Office and just why are they allowing this situation to continue.

and they continue to defend this situation total hypocrites! at least we made our own way yes with help from council but at least we contributed 25m to our stadium! no one will say sea about this as probably making money from situation themselves.

I wonder as you're so well informed of all things Swansea could you explain the difference between Swansea's current agreed arrangement with their Council and Cardiff's Council decision to "gift" land worth between 50 - 70 million pounds ,for the building of CCS, ? with no consultation with the rate payers or any likely hood that the money would be repaid

Major difference here as Cardiff Council are still owners of the land the stadium is built on and also the council and therefore ratepayers benefits from taxes from the retail park etc.

Big Big difference here.

So who benefits from the taxes at the retail park, next to the liberty then ? The man on the moon.

Has the man on the moon leased any of the land from Swansea City Council ? Look both stadiums were financed in similar ways where some public land was sold to allow the development of retail parks and the monies raised used to part finance the construction of the stadiums. Unlike Swansea City our club undertook to take up responsibility for funding any shortfall in the stadium build, like fitting out the hospitality areas and at the time of opening Cardiff City own the stadium and the balance of debt.

The land on which the stadiums were built remains in public ownership and in the case of Cardiff City the land was leased to the club for 125 years and the club as leaseholder pays ground rent to the freeholder, Cardiff Council, together with business rates.

In the case of Swansea City the club never paid a single penny for the development of the stadium and any additional costs like fitting out the hospitality areas were funded 100% by Swansea City Council. Part of this funding £2.37m was issued in the form of a mortgage which later had to be written off as not a single penny was being repaid, this whilst Swansea City received over £1m per season from the sale of tickets to these areas. Swansea City run a private business from the Liberty Stadium but are yet to pay any business rates and as we know have not paid a single penny in either ground rent or from revenue raised from non football events held at the stadium. All such income is being absorbed and used to subsidise the running costs of both sports club who use the stadium.

In short it's called "State Aid" of private business and is why the European Commission is investigating the arrangements surrounding the use of the Liberty Stadium.

Of course SCFC have been paying rent, to stadco the company that runs the liberty. Non footballing events have nothing to do with SCFC, that's involves stadco and the event organisers.

And there is the denial let's all hide behind the Stadium Management Company.

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how much money has been returned to the local ratepayers .

A poster on here since62 might be able to give full picture but my understanding of it is that the council tax payers of Cardiff have not paid a penny towards stadium. As I said earlier the land originally belonged to club and was sold in late 80s early 90s for a pittance (50k) which even then was way under the market value so technically the land that the club got for stadium cost the council 50 grand. As part of the deal for stadium a new records office for the council was built saving council much money. All road links and athletics stadium which is way better than leckwith were paid for by club/developer.

As a matter of interest has the Morfa stadium been replaced since redevelopment?

No it never was along with 3/4 local league pitches which were swallowed up by the building of the stadium .The University complex on mumbles road has the same facilities though and with the decline of local league football and the movement towards centres of football complexes such as Ashleigh Road Ticanol and Mynydd Newdd those pitches haven't been missed

So Swansea Council confirms what I have been saying for years that they have not received a single penny in income from either of the sporting clubs who use the Liberty stadium. The stadium cost over £27m of public monies, not to mention the £2.3m loan written off by the council for the cost of fitting out the hospitality areas, whilst Swansea City football club receive £m's in PL income.

Little wonder UEFA continue to investigate this sordid arrangement which amounts to State Aid of private business. The question is where is the Welsh Audit Office and just why are they allowing this situation to continue.

and they continue to defend this situation total hypocrites! at least we made our own way yes with help from council but at least we contributed 25m to our stadium! no one will say sea about this as probably making money from situation themselves.

I wonder as you're so well informed of all things Swansea could you explain the difference between Swansea's current agreed arrangement with their Council and Cardiff's Council decision to "gift" land worth between 50 - 70 million pounds ,for the building of CCS, ? with no consultation with the rate payers or any likely hood that the money would be repaid

Major difference here as Cardiff Council are still owners of the land the stadium is built on and also the council and therefore ratepayers benefits from taxes from the retail park etc.

Big Big difference here.

So who benefits from the taxes at the retail park, next to the liberty then ? The man on the moon.

Has the man on the moon leased any of the land from Swansea City Council ? Look both stadiums were financed in similar ways where some public land was sold to allow the development of retail parks and the monies raised used to part finance the construction of the stadiums. Unlike Swansea City our club undertook to take up responsibility for funding any shortfall in the stadium build, like fitting out the hospitality areas and at the time of opening Cardiff City own the stadium and the balance of debt.

The land on which the stadiums were built remains in public ownership and in the case of Cardiff City the land was leased to the club for 125 years and the club as leaseholder pays ground rent to the freeholder, Cardiff Council, together with business rates.

In the case of Swansea City the club never paid a single penny for the development of the stadium and any additional costs like fitting out the hospitality areas were funded 100% by Swansea City Council. Part of this funding £2.37m was issued in the form of a mortgage which later had to be written off as not a single penny was being repaid, this whilst Swansea City received over £1m per season from the sale of tickets to these areas. Swansea City run a private business from the Liberty Stadium but are yet to pay any business rates and as we know have not paid a single penny in either ground rent or from revenue raised from non football events held at the stadium. All such income is being absorbed and used to subsidise the running costs of both sports club who use the stadium.

In short it's called "State Aid" of private business and is why the European Commission is investigating the arrangements surrounding the use of the Liberty Stadium.

Of course SCFC have been paying rent, to stadco the company that runs the liberty. Non footballing events have nothing to do with SCFC, that's involves stadco and the event organisers.

And there is the denial let's all hide behind the Stadium Management Company.

I don't think anyone's hiding behind anything , there are public accounts which are available

So Swansea Council confirms what I have been saying for years that they have not received a single penny in income from either of the sporting clubs who use the Liberty stadium. The stadium cost over £27m of public monies, not to mention the £2.3m loan written off by the council for the cost of fitting out the hospitality areas, whilst Swansea City football club receive £m's in PL income.

Little wonder UEFA continue to investigate this sordid arrangement which amounts to State Aid of private business. The question is where is the Welsh Audit Office and just why are they allowing this situation to continue.

and they continue to defend this situation total hypocrites! at least we made our own way yes with help from council but at least we contributed 25m to our stadium! no one will say sea about this as probably making money from situation themselves.

I wonder as you're so well informed of all things Swansea could you explain the difference between Swansea's current agreed arrangement with their Council and Cardiff's Council decision to "gift" land worth between 50 - 70 million pounds ,for the building of CCS, ? with no consultation with the rate payers or any likely hood that the money would be repaid

Major difference here as Cardiff Council are still owners of the land the stadium is built on and also the council and therefore ratepayers benefits from taxes from the retail park etc.

Big Big difference here.

So who benefits from the taxes at the retail park, next to the liberty then ? The man on the moon.

Has the man on the moon leased any of the land from Swansea City Council ? Look both stadiums were financed in similar ways where some public land was sold to allow the development of retail parks and the monies raised used to part finance the construction of the stadiums. Unlike Swansea City our club undertook to take up responsibility for funding any shortfall in the stadium build, like fitting out the hospitality areas and at the time of opening Cardiff City own the stadium and the balance of debt.

The land on which the stadiums were built remains in public ownership and in the case of Cardiff City the land was leased to the club for 125 years and the club as leaseholder pays ground rent to the freeholder, Cardiff Council, together with business rates.

In the case of Swansea City the club never paid a single penny for the development of the stadium and any additional costs like fitting out the hospitality areas were funded 100% by Swansea City Council. Part of this funding £2.37m was issued in the form of a mortgage which later had to be written off as not a single penny was being repaid, this whilst Swansea City received over £1m per season from the sale of tickets to these areas. Swansea City run a private business from the Liberty Stadium but are yet to pay any business rates and as we know have not paid a single penny in either ground rent or from revenue raised from non football events held at the stadium. All such income is being absorbed and used to subsidise the running costs of both sports club who use the stadium.

In short it's called "State Aid" of private business and is why the European Commission is investigating the arrangements surrounding the use of the Liberty Stadium.

Of course SCFC have been paying rent, to stadco the company that runs the liberty. Non footballing events have nothing to do with SCFC, that's involves stadco and the event organisers.

And there is the denial let's all hide behind the Stadium Management Company.

Sorry, but are you a bit slow?

It was the Council themselves who set up Swansea Stadium Management Company (SSMC) as it was seen by them as the best way to protect them from future expenditure on the stadium in regards to repairs and maintenance. This is what the council chose to put in place instead of a direct rent to the council.

In fact, the Swans last year alone paid out nearly £500k for the use of the facilities to SSMC without taking into account the funds put into the sinking fund for maintenance of the stadium.

So lets cut the bullshit and stop pretending that SCFC are not paying their fair share towards the use of the Stadium eh?

The simple fact is that this spat is Bourne out of frustration, the council thought the club may have bought the stadium, council got greedy and wanted £24m paid at £8m PA in 3 years, Swans wanted longer terms so no deal, council act like a woman scorned, pathetic.

So Swansea Council confirms what I have been saying for years that they have not received a single penny in income from either of the sporting clubs who use the Liberty stadium. The stadium cost over £27m of public monies, not to mention the £2.3m loan written off by the council for the cost of fitting out the hospitality areas, whilst Swansea City football club receive £m's in PL income.

Little wonder UEFA continue to investigate this sordid arrangement which amounts to State Aid of private business. The question is where is the Welsh Audit Office and just why are they allowing this situation to continue.

and they continue to defend this situation total hypocrites! at least we made our own way yes with help from council but at least we contributed 25m to our stadium! no one will say sea about this as probably making money from situation themselves.

I wonder as you're so well informed of all things Swansea could you explain the difference between Swansea's current agreed arrangement with their Council and Cardiff's Council decision to "gift" land worth between 50 - 70 million pounds ,for the building of CCS, ? with no consultation with the rate payers or any likely hood that the money would be repaid

Major difference here as Cardiff Council are still owners of the land the stadium is built on and also the council and therefore ratepayers benefits from taxes from the retail park etc.

Big Big difference here.

So who benefits from the taxes at the retail park, next to the liberty then ? The man on the moon.

Well the way your club seem to get away without paying any money to anybody probably is man in moon who no doubt is on swans board!

So Swansea Council confirms what I have been saying for years that they have not received a single penny in income from either of the sporting clubs who use the Liberty stadium. The stadium cost over £27m of public monies, not to mention the £2.3m loan written off by the council for the cost of fitting out the hospitality areas, whilst Swansea City football club receive £m's in PL income.

Little wonder UEFA continue to investigate this sordid arrangement which amounts to State Aid of private business. The question is where is the Welsh Audit Office and just why are they allowing this situation to continue.

and they continue to defend this situation total hypocrites! at least we made our own way yes with help from council but at least we contributed 25m to our stadium! no one will say sea about this as probably making money from situation themselves.

I wonder as you're so well informed of all things Swansea could you explain the difference between Swansea's current agreed arrangement with their Council and Cardiff's Council decision to "gift" land worth between 50 - 70 million pounds ,for the building of CCS, ? with no consultation with the rate payers or any likely hood that the money would be repaid

Major difference here as Cardiff Council are still owners of the land the stadium is built on and also the council and therefore ratepayers benefits from taxes from the retail park etc.

Big Big difference here.

So who benefits from the taxes at the retail park, next to the liberty then ? The man on the moon.

Well the way your club seem to get away without paying any money to anybody probably is man in moon who no doubt is on swans board!

So are u just the village idiot in Pembroke or did u move out from a suburb of cardiff?

So Swansea Council confirms what I have been saying for years that they have not received a single penny in income from either of the sporting clubs who use the Liberty stadium. The stadium cost over £27m of public monies, not to mention the £2.3m loan written off by the council for the cost of fitting out the hospitality areas, whilst Swansea City football club receive £m's in PL income.

Little wonder UEFA continue to investigate this sordid arrangement which amounts to State Aid of private business. The question is where is the Welsh Audit Office and just why are they allowing this situation to continue.

and they continue to defend this situation total hypocrites! at least we made our own way yes with help from council but at least we contributed 25m to our stadium! no one will say sea about this as probably making money from situation themselves.

I wonder as you're so well informed of all things Swansea could you explain the difference between Swansea's current agreed arrangement with their Council and Cardiff's Council decision to "gift" land worth between 50 - 70 million pounds ,for the building of CCS, ? with no consultation with the rate payers or any likely hood that the money would be repaid

Major difference here as Cardiff Council are still owners of the land the stadium is built on and also the council and therefore ratepayers benefits from taxes from the retail park etc.

Big Big difference here.

So who benefits from the taxes at the retail park, next to the liberty then ? The man on the moon.

Well the way your club seem to get away without paying any money to anybody probably is man in moon who no doubt is on swans board!

Can you read? I know you'd think it would be a prerequisite for posting on a messageboard but it appears you either can't, or haven't.

The simple fact is that this spat is Bourne out of frustration, the council thought the club may have bought the stadium, council got greedy and wanted £24m paid at £8m PA in 3 years, Swans wanted longer terms so no deal, council act like a woman scorned, pathetic.

Does 24 million equate to the expenditure already paid for stadium? By that I mean land cost, building cost and fitting out costs minus grants such as football trust/foundation.

What would happen to the Ospreys if you got the ground to yourselves? Personally if I was Jenkins I'd charge the egg chasers more than they can afford and drive them away.

The simple fact is that this spat is Bourne out of frustration, the council thought the club may have bought the stadium, council got greedy and wanted £24m paid at £8m PA in 3 years, Swans wanted longer terms so no deal, council act like a woman scorned, pathetic.

Does 24 million equate to the expenditure already paid for stadium? By that I mean land cost, building cost and fitting out costs minus grants such as football trust/foundation.

What would happen to the Ospreys if you got the ground to yourselves? Personally if I was Jenkins I'd charge the egg chasers more than they can afford and drive them away.

Firstly, the Ospreys ain't going anywhere. They will be guaranteed that they will be able to stay at the liberty. Secondly, why would the Jenkins & the Swans want to get rid of the Ospreys ? It's been a perfectly good relationship since 2005, if it ain't broken why fix it.