Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:56 pm
Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:58 pm
JonCCFC wrote:Whittingham 100% deserves his place in my opinion. Fans are just dwelling on his past form when he scored 20 odd goals in a season and now their expectations of him have skyrocketed, so if he doesn't make an assist or score in a single game fans will criticize him. It's ridiculous.
Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:00 pm
castleblue wrote:It never ceases to amaze me how many people fail to see that Whitts is pivotal to how we are setting up to play and Joe Ralls is in the starting 11 totally on merit and in many ways is "AS" important as Whitts, but for different reasons like supporting Malone.
Right now dropping Whitts and replacing him with Ralls would be an act of complete stupidity in my opinion and the main reason is that JR does not have the quality of first touch Whitts has, he does not have the range of passing that Whitts has, which current Cardiff player does.
Current statistics show that in terms of short passing accuracy there is little between either player, but Whitts is far better at long pass accuracy. These statistics also show that JR is more likely to lose possession from a poor first touch or to be dispossessed whilst in possession, in fact Whitts is still the standout Cardiff player for receiving the ball and keeping it.
In fairness to JR he is outperforming Whitts in terms of tackling, clearances and intercepting passes but Whitts has blocked shots on our goal and JR hasn't.
As I said earlier JR is in the starting 11 completely on merit but in my opinion at this moment he doesn't have the quality to replace Whitts. If and when he is replaced, and let's face it he will be 31 next month, the club will have to go out and buy someone and right now anyone fancy VT giving Slade the money to buy a player of Whitts quality.
How does it go. Hmmmmmmmmmm
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Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:02 pm
JonCCFC wrote:Whittingham 100% deserves his place in my opinion. Fans are just dwelling on his past form when he scored 20 odd goals in a season and now their expectations of him have skyrocketed, so if he doesn't make an assist or score in a single game fans will criticize him. It's ridiculous.
Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:04 pm
RYANBLUE wrote:JonCCFC wrote:Whittingham 100% deserves his place in my opinion. Fans are just dwelling on his past form when he scored 20 odd goals in a season and now their expectations of him have skyrocketed, so if he doesn't make an assist or score in a single game fans will criticize him. It's ridiculous.
No. People expect him to play as a fukin attacking midfielder not like he has a sweeper. Any fukwit can pass sideways. We have no creativity going forward with Whitts.
Hs dead balls have also gone with his legs
Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:22 pm
RYANBLUE wrote:JonCCFC wrote:Whittingham 100% deserves his place in my opinion. Fans are just dwelling on his past form when he scored 20 odd goals in a season and now their expectations of him have skyrocketed, so if he doesn't make an assist or score in a single game fans will criticize him. It's ridiculous.
No. People expect him to play as a fukin attacking midfielder not like he has a sweeper. Any fukwit can pass sideways. We have no creativity going forward with Whitts.
Hs dead balls have also gone with his legs
Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:58 pm
i have dug this whole for you nigeNIGELNIGLE wrote:Why Peter Whittingham no longer deserves his place in the starting XI.
Wed 19th August 2015
Media Wales
He is the Cardiff City player who divides opinion more than any other. Here Steve Davies-Evans says it's time to end the sentiment surrounding Peter Whittingham.
Peter Whittingham no longer deserves his place in the Cardiff City side!
A bold statement maybe, but there is so much sentiment attached to Whittingham that fans seem blinded by how good he "used to be".
There are so many buzz phrases associated with Whitts such as "On his day", "Potentially the best midfielder in the league" and "If he can just rediscover his old form" but unfortunately it's time to face facts, he just doesn't do it any more.
It's true that Whittingham "has" been a fantastic player for City and at £375,000 eight years ago, he's proven to be one of Cardiff's best signings ever. However, his best form is well behind him now and he just doesn't produce that form on a regular enough basis to warrant his place in the team.
Football is not a stationery sport, it moves on in every sense of the term and the Championship has moved on massively.
So has the modern day central midfielder, leaving Whittingham and his languid style behind. Gone are the days where a player can just stay rooted in the centre circle "pinging" balls all round the pitch.
Fans want and deserve a dynamic, box-to-box midfielder. If you aren't that then you're a defensive midfielder, someone that breaks up play and wins tackles such as Chelsea's Matic, or Digkacoi and Gunnarsson in Cardiff City's case.
Whittingham is neither of these types of players and for me Cardiff still haven't replaced Jordon Mutch in centre midfield.
Do we have someone that can take that role? Yes! We have Joe Ralls, who is desperate to kick on this season and show he has what it takes.
Russell Slade has given the young midfielder the number eight shirt, a number synoymous with a central role.
Ralls has the energy and dynamism to go from box to box. At the moment he's being wasted out wide and the truth is, as he favours a central role, he comes inside looking for the ball meaning we are totally unbalanced.
This may seem like a witch hunt against Whitingham and by no means am I making him a scapegoat here, there just comes a time where you have to put sentiment aside and do what's best for the team.
Kevin McNaughton was a cult hero for the football club but in the end, there was better footballers in his position and he was rightfully moved on.
I'm not saying we have to get rid of Whittingham, I'm saying we need to drop him to the bench and let him fight for his place again. That would allow Ralls go move in one and Noone to come into the team giving us a real threat and natural balance.
just in case you want to bury youreselve after what you have written about whitts Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:06 pm
cardiff 74 wrote::digging2:i have dug this whole for you nigeNIGELNIGLE wrote:Why Peter Whittingham no longer deserves his place in the starting XI.
Wed 19th August 2015
Media Wales
He is the Cardiff City player who divides opinion more than any other. Here Steve Davies-Evans says it's time to end the sentiment surrounding Peter Whittingham.
Peter Whittingham no longer deserves his place in the Cardiff City side!
A bold statement maybe, but there is so much sentiment attached to Whittingham that fans seem blinded by how good he "used to be".
There are so many buzz phrases associated with Whitts such as "On his day", "Potentially the best midfielder in the league" and "If he can just rediscover his old form" but unfortunately it's time to face facts, he just doesn't do it any more.
It's true that Whittingham "has" been a fantastic player for City and at £375,000 eight years ago, he's proven to be one of Cardiff's best signings ever. However, his best form is well behind him now and he just doesn't produce that form on a regular enough basis to warrant his place in the team.
Football is not a stationery sport, it moves on in every sense of the term and the Championship has moved on massively.
So has the modern day central midfielder, leaving Whittingham and his languid style behind. Gone are the days where a player can just stay rooted in the centre circle "pinging" balls all round the pitch.
Fans want and deserve a dynamic, box-to-box midfielder. If you aren't that then you're a defensive midfielder, someone that breaks up play and wins tackles such as Chelsea's Matic, or Digkacoi and Gunnarsson in Cardiff City's case.
Whittingham is neither of these types of players and for me Cardiff still haven't replaced Jordon Mutch in centre midfield.
Do we have someone that can take that role? Yes! We have Joe Ralls, who is desperate to kick on this season and show he has what it takes.
Russell Slade has given the young midfielder the number eight shirt, a number synoymous with a central role.
Ralls has the energy and dynamism to go from box to box. At the moment he's being wasted out wide and the truth is, as he favours a central role, he comes inside looking for the ball meaning we are totally unbalanced.
This may seem like a witch hunt against Whitingham and by no means am I making him a scapegoat here, there just comes a time where you have to put sentiment aside and do what's best for the team.
Kevin McNaughton was a cult hero for the football club but in the end, there was better footballers in his position and he was rightfully moved on.
I'm not saying we have to get rid of Whittingham, I'm saying we need to drop him to the bench and let him fight for his place again. That would allow Ralls go move in one and Noone to come into the team giving us a real threat and natural balance.just in case you want to bury youreselve after what you have written about whitts
Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:18 pm
Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:35 pm
Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:02 am
Cardiffcitymad wrote:Hallelujah someone who shares the same thought as me on this subject!
Please can someone tell me when whitts scored from a set piece because I cannot remember..?
Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:05 am
JonCCFC wrote:Cardiffcitymad wrote:Hallelujah someone who shares the same thought as me on this subject!
Please can someone tell me when whitts scored from a set piece because I cannot remember..?
Are you seriously criticizing Whitts for not scoring any free kicks recently?my point proven
Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:08 pm
NIGELNIGLE wrote:Why Peter Whittingham no longer deserves his place in the starting XI.
Wed 19th August 2015
Media Wales
He is the Cardiff City player who divides opinion more than any other. Here Steve Davies-Evans says it's time to end the sentiment surrounding Peter Whittingham.
Peter Whittingham no longer deserves his place in the Cardiff City side!
A bold statement maybe, but there is so much sentiment attached to Whittingham that fans seem blinded by how good he "used to be".
There are so many buzz phrases associated with Whitts such as "On his day", "Potentially the best midfielder in the league" and "If he can just rediscover his old form" but unfortunately it's time to face facts, he just doesn't do it any more.
It's true that Whittingham "has" been a fantastic player for City and at £375,000 eight years ago, he's proven to be one of Cardiff's best signings ever. However, his best form is well behind him now and he just doesn't produce that form on a regular enough basis to warrant his place in the team.
Football is not a stationery sport, it moves on in every sense of the term and the Championship has moved on massively.
So has the modern day central midfielder, leaving Whittingham and his languid style behind. Gone are the days where a player can just stay rooted in the centre circle "pinging" balls all round the pitch.
Fans want and deserve a dynamic, box-to-box midfielder. If you aren't that then you're a defensive midfielder, someone that breaks up play and wins tackles such as Chelsea's Matic, or Digkacoi and Gunnarsson in Cardiff City's case.
Whittingham is neither of these types of players and for me Cardiff still haven't replaced Jordon Mutch in centre midfield.
Do we have someone that can take that role? Yes! We have Joe Ralls, who is desperate to kick on this season and show he has what it takes.
Russell Slade has given the young midfielder the number eight shirt, a number synoymous with a central role.
Ralls has the energy and dynamism to go from box to box. At the moment he's being wasted out wide and the truth is, as he favours a central role, he comes inside looking for the ball meaning we are totally unbalanced.
This may seem like a witch hunt against Whitingham and by no means am I making him a scapegoat here, there just comes a time where you have to put sentiment aside and do what's best for the team.
Kevin McNaughton was a cult hero for the football club but in the end, there was better footballers in his position and he was rightfully moved on.
I'm not saying we have to get rid of Whittingham, I'm saying we need to drop him to the bench and let him fight for his place again. That would allow Ralls go move in one and Noone to come into the team giving us a real threat and natural balance.