Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:01 am
Ballistic Blue wrote:BlueMagic wrote:No energy again and way off the pace just passed the ball side to side and back all game. Just a passanger again today imo.
Dikgachoi looks a class act put himself about and looks a very solid defensive midfielder, just need a high energy midfield general alongside him to dictate play and we will have a quality midfield just hope slade sorts this out.
Whitts played a huge role in our 62% possession in that game (which is impressive when you have a 4 man midfield against a 5 man midfield), try and watch his positioning next game. If Whitts wasn't on the pitch we would have lumped it up for 90 mins and probably lost.
He also sucks defenders out of the box when he has the ball 20 yards out because they know he can shoot accurately from that range.
The Whitts bashing is getting a bit boring now.
Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:41 am
Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:05 pm
Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:42 pm
Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:20 pm
llan bluebird wrote:launch it, launch it, launch it !!!
Chase it, chase it, chase it
Get stuck in, get stuck in, get stuck in
Get it up front, get it up front, get it up front
things you hear in the lower leagues, where a lot of our old school fan base are from.
The game has moved on, posession is key. Pass, find space to recieve another pass, pass it again. Pull the other team out of their defensive formation, then strike.
Ralls is great and the future, but if you watch the game, Whitts trusts Ralls and gives him passes he would never give gunnar. Whitts will revieve the ball anywhere with however many players close and doesn't go hiding.
The killer passes happen a few time a season, the pulling teams out of position is more subtle, but managers and analysts notice. Wonder why so many managers make hime thier first choice every game
Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:20 pm
geggs_ccfc wrote:People are saying that Whitts is important as he has a fantastic range of passing and he can slice open opposition defences. But, when does he do this? We all know that he has it in his locker but he just does not show it and instead he passes the ball either sideways or backwards. How can he pick the players out if the strikers aren't running into space, I have seen people say. Yet, when Mason made a few decent runs, like he did in the QPR game, Whittingham was not looking up to see them. He has become so negative these days, he very rarely does anything positive anymore and his lack of energy and guile, makes it even harder for Ralls and Kagisho. Whitts is playing the same type of role and in the same position as Bournemouth's Andrew Surman. They are very similar in the way that they play, but Surman adds much more to his team than what Whitts gives to ours. Go and watch Surman and you will see that whether a player has found space or not, his passing is always attack minded and positive. Some might say that there is more space in the Premiership and you do not get closed down as quick, which sometimes is true. But, Surman was the same last season in the Championship, he was pivotal to Bournemouth's free flowing, high intensity and passing style. He was probably - for the way that they play - their most important player and perhaps even the first name on the board. Surman just like Whittingham has got absolutely no pace, but because of his intelligence and his fast thinking brain, it doesn't matter that he lacks the pace. Whittingham and Surman are nearly identical players, but Whittingham is slightly the better set piece taker, only just though. The big difference between them however is that Surman is committed and a hard worker. Whittingham on the other hand is not. He never will. Whittingham should be having the same effect on our side like Surman does for Bournemouth and that is where Whittingham grates me, because he can do everything that Surman can and sometimes even better, yet he just doesn't seem to want to. That is the main reason why Aston Villa got rid of him and why no other club has ever been serious about signing him. Cause if they were serious he would of been theirs now, cause money talks. Whittingham would be foolish to ever leave Cardiff City because he knows that anywhere else, if he were to perform like he has for the past few years for us, he would either be permanently warming the bench or sitting in the stands.
It's frustrating when fans say, yeah but he's our best player, our best passer, he can create goals, he can score goals, he is great at set pieces, etc. Yes, he can do all those things, but he just doesn't do them on a consistent basis. It's even more frustrating when people base him having a good game on the fact that he took one or two good free kicks and 50% of his corners were pretty good. That is not enough of a contribution from a player on a game by game basis. Why as fans are we just accepting that from one of our players? That is no way good enough, we need players who even though they have a bad game still put everything on the line, work hard for themselves and the team and at least show us fans that they really give a damn. Too many times is Whitts a passenger in our side and he has been for years now. It's as if we are only taking the field with ten men. We badly need change and personally we have to start by removing Whittingham, putting Ralls in the middle in his place and bring in Gunnarsson. Who whether he plays good or bad would put his life on the line for this club and he always gives 100%. I think playing Gunnar, with Dikgacoi as the defensive midfielder, we would get the best out of him. The season we won the Championship, our 3 man midfield toward the end of the season was Gunnar, Mutch and Kim. We were much better in the middle, we had creativity, energy, commitment and they worked for each other. We were much harder to break down and to score against. I remember the game at Watford when we drew 0-0, we had chances to win that game and we minimalised their attacking threat. We were one of very few that managed to stop Watford from scoring at home. We were better in the middle because Whittingham was nowhere to be seen. I think if Dikgacoi, Gunnarsson and Ralls were our midfield 3, then we would have a better and stronger midfield 3 than we had Gunnarsson, Mutch and Kim in the middle. Us as a team with Whittingham playing in the middle of midfield, look stale, weak, negative and bereft of any ideas.
Just saying.
Bloooooobirds.
Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:44 pm
llan bluebird wrote:launch it, launch it, launch it !!!
Chase it, chase it, chase it
Get stuck in, get stuck in, get stuck in
Get it up front, get it up front, get it up front
things you hear in the lower leagues, where a lot of our old school fan base are from.
The game has moved on, posession is key. Pass, find space to recieve another pass, pass it again. Pull the other team out of their defensive formation, then strike.
Ralls is great and the future, but if you watch the game, Whitts trusts Ralls and gives him passes he would never give gunnar. Whitts will revieve the ball anywhere with however many players close and doesn't go hiding.
The killer passes happen a few time a season, the pulling teams out of position is more subtle, but managers and analysts notice. Wonder why so many managers make hime thier first choice every game
Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:52 pm
City Slicker wrote:llan bluebird wrote:launch it, launch it, launch it !!!
Chase it, chase it, chase it
Get stuck in, get stuck in, get stuck in
Get it up front, get it up front, get it up front
things you hear in the lower leagues, where a lot of our old school fan base are from.
The game has moved on, posession is key. Pass, find space to recieve another pass, pass it again. Pull the other team out of their defensive formation, then strike.
Ralls is great and the future, but if you watch the game, Whitts trusts Ralls and gives him passes he would never give gunnar. Whitts will revieve the ball anywhere with however many players close and doesn't go hiding.
The killer passes happen a few time a season, the pulling teams out of position is more subtle, but managers and analysts notice. Wonder why so many managers make hime thier first choice every game
There's an obvious answer to that Ilan and likely not the one you have in mind
Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:59 am
Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:04 am
Trainem Hard wrote:Dikgachoi fitness level is a worry. He sh'd be well on his way to match fitness. 70 min is not good enough.
Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:06 am
tenerife_blu wrote:City Slicker wrote:llan bluebird wrote:launch it, launch it, launch it !!!
Chase it, chase it, chase it
Get stuck in, get stuck in, get stuck in
Get it up front, get it up front, get it up front
things you hear in the lower leagues, where a lot of our old school fan base are from.
The game has moved on, posession is key. Pass, find space to recieve another pass, pass it again. Pull the other team out of their defensive formation, then strike.
Ralls is great and the future, but if you watch the game, Whitts trusts Ralls and gives him passes he would never give gunnar. Whitts will revieve the ball anywhere with however many players close and doesn't go hiding.
The killer passes happen a few time a season, the pulling teams out of position is more subtle, but managers and analysts notice. Wonder why so many managers make hime thier first choice every game
There's an obvious answer to that Ilan and likely not the one you have in mind
because he is class
Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:07 am
City Slicker wrote:tenerife_blu wrote:City Slicker wrote:llan bluebird wrote:launch it, launch it, launch it !!!
Chase it, chase it, chase it
Get stuck in, get stuck in, get stuck in
Get it up front, get it up front, get it up front
things you hear in the lower leagues, where a lot of our old school fan base are from.
The game has moved on, posession is key. Pass, find space to recieve another pass, pass it again. Pull the other team out of their defensive formation, then strike.
Ralls is great and the future, but if you watch the game, Whitts trusts Ralls and gives him passes he would never give gunnar. Whitts will revieve the ball anywhere with however many players close and doesn't go hiding.
The killer passes happen a few time a season, the pulling teams out of position is more subtle, but managers and analysts notice. Wonder why so many managers make hime thier first choice every game
There's an obvious answer to that Ilan and likely not the one you have in mind
because he is class
No, good attempt Steve but wrong answer. Try again for tonight's star prize
Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:38 am
tenerife_blu wrote:City Slicker wrote:tenerife_blu wrote:City Slicker wrote:llan bluebird wrote:launch it, launch it, launch it !!!
Chase it, chase it, chase it
Get stuck in, get stuck in, get stuck in
Get it up front, get it up front, get it up front
things you hear in the lower leagues, where a lot of our old school fan base are from.
The game has moved on, posession is key. Pass, find space to recieve another pass, pass it again. Pull the other team out of their defensive formation, then strike.
Ralls is great and the future, but if you watch the game, Whitts trusts Ralls and gives him passes he would never give gunnar. Whitts will revieve the ball anywhere with however many players close and doesn't go hiding.
The killer passes happen a few time a season, the pulling teams out of position is more subtle, but managers and analysts notice. Wonder why so many managers make hime thier first choice every game
There's an obvious answer to that Ilan and likely not the one you have in mind
because he is class
No, good attempt Steve but wrong answer. Try again for tonight's star prize
because he is class![]()
if at first you don't succeed, try try again![]()
Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:45 am
City Slicker wrote:tenerife_blu wrote:City Slicker wrote:tenerife_blu wrote:City Slicker wrote:llan bluebird wrote:launch it, launch it, launch it !!!
Chase it, chase it, chase it
Get stuck in, get stuck in, get stuck in
Get it up front, get it up front, get it up front
things you hear in the lower leagues, where a lot of our old school fan base are from.
The game has moved on, posession is key. Pass, find space to recieve another pass, pass it again. Pull the other team out of their defensive formation, then strike.
Ralls is great and the future, but if you watch the game, Whitts trusts Ralls and gives him passes he would never give gunnar. Whitts will revieve the ball anywhere with however many players close and doesn't go hiding.
The killer passes happen a few time a season, the pulling teams out of position is more subtle, but managers and analysts notice. Wonder why so many managers make hime thier first choice every game
There's an obvious answer to that Ilan and likely not the one you have in mind
because he is class
No, good attempt Steve but wrong answer. Try again for tonight's star prize
because he is class![]()
if at first you don't succeed, try try again![]()
No wrong again! Look I hate doing this because it might be seen as though I'm giving you an unfair advantage Steve. However, I like an honest trier so I'll give you a clue. Its to do with something about the managers and not the player. Can you think what the connection is?
Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:13 am
tenerife_blu wrote:City Slicker wrote:tenerife_blu wrote:City Slicker wrote:tenerife_blu wrote:City Slicker wrote:llan bluebird wrote:launch it, launch it, launch it !!!
Chase it, chase it, chase it
Get stuck in, get stuck in, get stuck in
Get it up front, get it up front, get it up front
things you hear in the lower leagues, where a lot of our old school fan base are from.
The game has moved on, posession is key. Pass, find space to recieve another pass, pass it again. Pull the other team out of their defensive formation, then strike.
Ralls is great and the future, but if you watch the game, Whitts trusts Ralls and gives him passes he would never give gunnar. Whitts will revieve the ball anywhere with however many players close and doesn't go hiding.
The killer passes happen a few time a season, the pulling teams out of position is more subtle, but managers and analysts notice. Wonder why so many managers make hime thier first choice every game
There's an obvious answer to that Ilan and likely not the one you have in mind
because he is class
No, good attempt Steve but wrong answer. Try again for tonight's star prize
because he is class![]()
if at first you don't succeed, try try again![]()
No wrong again! Look I hate doing this because it might be seen as though I'm giving you an unfair advantage Steve. However, I like an honest trier so I'll give you a clue. Its to do with something about the managers and not the player. Can you think what the connection is?
yes, Slade hasn't got a clue...... Oh wait there![]()
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Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:23 am
geggs_ccfc wrote:People are saying that Whitts is important as he has a fantastic range of passing and he can slice open opposition defences. But, when does he do this? We all know that he has it in his locker but he just does not show it and instead he passes the ball either sideways or backwards. How can he pick the players out if the strikers aren't running into space, I have seen people say. Yet, when Mason made a few decent runs, like he did in the QPR game, Whittingham was not looking up to see them. He has become so negative these days, he very rarely does anything positive anymore and his lack of energy and guile, makes it even harder for Ralls and Kagisho. Whitts is playing the same type of role and in the same position as Bournemouth's Andrew Surman. They are very similar in the way that they play, but Surman adds much more to his team than what Whitts gives to ours. Go and watch Surman and you will see that whether a player has found space or not, his passing is always attack minded and positive. Some might say that there is more space in the Premiership and you do not get closed down as quick, which sometimes is true. But, Surman was the same last season in the Championship, he was pivotal to Bournemouth's free flowing, high intensity and passing style. He was probably - for the way that they play - their most important player and perhaps even the first name on the board. Surman just like Whittingham has got absolutely no pace, but because of his intelligence and his fast thinking brain, it doesn't matter that he lacks the pace. Whittingham and Surman are nearly identical players, but Whittingham is slightly the better set piece taker, only just though. The big difference between them however is that Surman is committed and a hard worker. Whittingham on the other hand is not. He never will. Whittingham should be having the same effect on our side like Surman does for Bournemouth and that is where Whittingham grates me, because he can do everything that Surman can and sometimes even better, yet he just doesn't seem to want to. That is the main reason why Aston Villa got rid of him and why no other club has ever been serious about signing him. Cause if they were serious he would of been theirs now, cause money talks. Whittingham would be foolish to ever leave Cardiff City because he knows that anywhere else, if he were to perform like he has for the past few years for us, he would either be permanently warming the bench or sitting in the stands.
It's frustrating when fans say, yeah but he's our best player, our best passer, he can create goals, he can score goals, he is great at set pieces, etc. Yes, he can do all those things, but he just doesn't do them on a consistent basis. It's even more frustrating when people base him having a good game on the fact that he took one or two good free kicks and 50% of his corners were pretty good. That is not enough of a contribution from a player on a game by game basis. Why as fans are we just accepting that from one of our players? That is no way good enough, we need players who even though they have a bad game still put everything on the line, work hard for themselves and the team and at least show us fans that they really give a damn. Too many times is Whitts a passenger in our side and he has been for years now. It's as if we are only taking the field with ten men. We badly need change and personally we have to start by removing Whittingham, putting Ralls in the middle in his place and bring in Gunnarsson. Who whether he plays good or bad would put his life on the line for this club and he always gives 100%. I think playing Gunnar, with Dikgacoi as the defensive midfielder, we would get the best out of him. The season we won the Championship, our 3 man midfield toward the end of the season was Gunnar, Mutch and Kim. We were much better in the middle, we had creativity, energy, commitment and they worked for each other. We were much harder to break down and to score against. I remember the game at Watford when we drew 0-0, we had chances to win that game and we minimalised their attacking threat. We were one of very few that managed to stop Watford from scoring at home. We were better in the middle because Whittingham was nowhere to be seen. I think if Dikgacoi, Gunnarsson and Ralls were our midfield 3, then we would have a better and stronger midfield 3 than we had Gunnarsson, Mutch and Kim in the middle. Us as a team with Whittingham playing in the middle of midfield, look stale, weak, negative and bereft of any ideas.
Just saying.
Bloooooobirds.
Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:49 am
7777 glt wrote:geggs_ccfc wrote:People are saying that Whitts is important as he has a fantastic range of passing and he can slice open opposition defences. But, when does he do this? We all know that he has it in his locker but he just does not show it and instead he passes the ball either sideways or backwards. How can he pick the players out if the strikers aren't running into space, I have seen people say. Yet, when Mason made a few decent runs, like he did in the QPR game, Whittingham was not looking up to see them. He has become so negative these days, he very rarely does anything positive anymore and his lack of energy and guile, makes it even harder for Ralls and Kagisho. Whitts is playing the same type of role and in the same position as Bournemouth's Andrew Surman. They are very similar in the way that they play, but Surman adds much more to his team than what Whitts gives to ours. Go and watch Surman and you will see that whether a player has found space or not, his passing is always attack minded and positive. Some might say that there is more space in the Premiership and you do not get closed down as quick, which sometimes is true. But, Surman was the same last season in the Championship, he was pivotal to Bournemouth's free flowing, high intensity and passing style. He was probably - for the way that they play - their most important player and perhaps even the first name on the board. Surman just like Whittingham has got absolutely no pace, but because of his intelligence and his fast thinking brain, it doesn't matter that he lacks the pace. Whittingham and Surman are nearly identical players, but Whittingham is slightly the better set piece taker, only just though. The big difference between them however is that Surman is committed and a hard worker. Whittingham on the other hand is not. He never will. Whittingham should be having the same effect on our side like Surman does for Bournemouth and that is where Whittingham grates me, because he can do everything that Surman can and sometimes even better, yet he just doesn't seem to want to. That is the main reason why Aston Villa got rid of him and why no other club has ever been serious about signing him. Cause if they were serious he would of been theirs now, cause money talks. Whittingham would be foolish to ever leave Cardiff City because he knows that anywhere else, if he were to perform like he has for the past few years for us, he would either be permanently warming the bench or sitting in the stands.
It's frustrating when fans say, yeah but he's our best player, our best passer, he can create goals, he can score goals, he is great at set pieces, etc. Yes, he can do all those things, but he just doesn't do them on a consistent basis. It's even more frustrating when people base him having a good game on the fact that he took one or two good free kicks and 50% of his corners were pretty good. That is not enough of a contribution from a player on a game by game basis. Why as fans are we just accepting that from one of our players? That is no way good enough, we need players who even though they have a bad game still put everything on the line, work hard for themselves and the team and at least show us fans that they really give a damn. Too many times is Whitts a passenger in our side and he has been for years now. It's as if we are only taking the field with ten men. We badly need change and personally we have to start by removing Whittingham, putting Ralls in the middle in his place and bring in Gunnarsson. Who whether he plays good or bad would put his life on the line for this club and he always gives 100%. I think playing Gunnar, with Dikgacoi as the defensive midfielder, we would get the best out of him. The season we won the Championship, our 3 man midfield toward the end of the season was Gunnar, Mutch and Kim. We were much better in the middle, we had creativity, energy, commitment and they worked for each other. We were much harder to break down and to score against. I remember the game at Watford when we drew 0-0, we had chances to win that game and we minimalised their attacking threat. We were one of very few that managed to stop Watford from scoring at home. We were better in the middle because Whittingham was nowhere to be seen. I think if Dikgacoi, Gunnarsson and Ralls were our midfield 3, then we would have a better and stronger midfield 3 than we had Gunnarsson, Mutch and Kim in the middle. Us as a team with Whittingham playing in the middle of midfield, look stale, weak, negative and bereft of any ideas.
Just saying.
Bloooooobirds.
You say .....
The season we won the Championship, our 3 man midfield toward the end of the season was Gunnar, Mutch and Kim. We were much better in the middle, we had creativity, energy, commitment and they worked for each other. We were much harder to break down and to score against. I remember the game at Watford when we drew 0-0, we had chances to win that game and we minimalised their attacking threat. We were one of very few that managed to stop Watford from scoring at home. We were better in the middle because Whittingham was nowhere to be seen. I think if Dikgacoi, Gunnarsson and Ralls were our midfield 3, then we would have a better and stronger midfield 3 than we had Gunnarsson, Mutch and Kim in the middle. Us as a team with Whittingham playing in the middle of midfield, look stale, weak, negative and bereft of any ideas
Of that season ...... During the last 8 games that Whittingham was out of the side we won only 2 games
After 3 games this season
Top Assists: Whittingham (2 Assists)
Highest Pass Accuracy: Ralls (84% Pass Accuracy with 99 Comp. Passes)
Most Chances Created: Whittingham (5 Chances Created: 2 Assists and 3 Key Passes)
Whitts and Ralls are working well together
Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:57 pm