CSCS Site Cleaners/Labourers wanted in Cardiff

Can assure you that if it wasn't for agencies helping companies with their cad flow and helping to stream line their business then many companies would have gone years ago.

However your own experience differs so tell us, what is your experience in this field then ?

Well I am not assured, simply because I know that is absolutely rubbish. I have plenty of experience, but I dont use this forum as a platform to discuss or advertise it. It is a football forum.

Can assure you that if it wasn't for agencies helping companies with their cad flow and helping to stream line their business then many companies would have gone years ago.

However your own experience differs so tell us, what is your experience in this field then ?

Well I am not assured, simply because I know that is absolutely rubbish. I have plenty of experience, but I dont use this forum as a platform to discuss or advertise it. It is a football forum.

So what's your experience of the recruitment industry then as I'm sure we can all learn from your knowledge

As I just told you, I have plenty of knowledge of the industry, but am not going to use this forum as a platform to discuss myself. It is a football forum, I dont come here to discuss my personal life. As for learning from my knowledge, I have put you straight numerous times here, there is no learning from my knowledge when it means admitting you are essentially stealing from poor families. If you had the capacity to learn these basic concepts in ecomimics or at least the ability to match them up with ethical values... You wouldnt be in recruitment.

As I just told you, i have plenty of experience, but am not going to use this forum as a platform to discuss such things. It is a football forum, I dont come here to discuss my personal life. As for learning from my knowledge, I have put you straight numerous times here, there is no learning from my knowledge when it means admitting you are essentially stealing from poor families. If you had the capacity to learn these basic concepts in ecomimics or at least the ability to match them up with ethical values... You wouldnt be in recruitment.

So once again you don't support your comments with proof. This is a very similar pattern with you fair play. Pmsl

The proof Messi is one of the worlds best players is the fact that every year his performances stand out from the rest and has a goalscoring record that George Best would envy... My personal information does nothing to detract from that. Same goes for my comenta here, they are simoly obvious facts. I am a private person and dont discuss myself or my family. If you dont like that then you will just have to continue to throw your toys out of the pram and keep nicking money off the vulnerable, but expect a backlash everytime I see it. This thread has been reported with supporting proof of the damage recruitment agencies are causing local communities.

The proof Messi is one of the worlds best players is the fact that every year his performances stand out from the rest and has a goalscoring record that George Best would envy... My personal information does nothing to detract from that. Same goes for my comenta here, they are simoly obvious facts. I am a private person and dont discuss myself or my family. If you dont like that then you will just have to continue to throw your toys out of the pram and keep nicking money off the vulnerable, but expect a backlash everytime I see it. This thread has been reported with supporting proof of the damage recruitment agencies are causing local communities.

Well as a previous sponsor of both the website and Carl's column then as long as I keep to my promise which is to offer forum users work first then it's nothing to do with you.

The green eyed monster is there for all to see. Lol and your constant claims which are un-supported with any evidence shows that you are full of shit

Some drivel being spouted in here. Adam and I don't see eye to eye but he has done no wrong here and runs a legitimate business. The argument that it drives wages down is complete rubbish as nobody is forced to go through a recruitment agency and they can, if they wish, approach companies directly.

Do you want to know why a lot of labourers don't do that? Because walking around and travelling around to multiple industrial estates all day is hard work, is tiresome, is time consuming and also costs money in transport to get all over the place. It is far easier for them to phone or pop into an agency like Adam's and ask if they have work available. It is not only laziness on behalf of the companies but the potential employees as well.

In lots of areas if you approach a company directly, speak to someone of credibility, and make yourself known you will be in a far better position than anyone going through an agency, mark my words. All it takes is a bit of desire and commitment on your behalf. The fact is, a lot of these people who apply for jobs through agencies are not the top tradesmen/women. The creme de la creme often get jobs through word of mouth, shifting from one subcontracting job to another, or through approaching companies directly because they have that drive within them.

I'm honestly not surprised really that people like Adam have set up businesses to take advantage of their laziness. Good on them. These people often don't turn up for work, when they do all they do is moan and complain (hence why they're having to go to agencies in the first place) and are the first to clock off or try to extend their breaks during working hours. Also, unless you keep an eye on them their work ethic is often abysmal. It comes as no surprise really to me that these people haven't got the gusto to approach companies directly.

It is completely ridiculous to be blaming Adam for anything here. Nobody is forcing them to use an agency. There's a similar situation for example in the teaching industry whereby you can go through recruiters and pay a fee to be put in contact with schools in a country and have the VISA process all done for you. Alternatively, you can do it all yourself, reach out to employers yourself or fly to the country for a short period and then reach out to employers on the ground.

Furthermore, if you actually understood economics, you'd understand that if these companies had to fund large HR departments (staff, overheads, time (time is money in a productive environment)) then a lot of these jobs wouldn't exist in the first place for even £6.50ph because these companies would have money tied up elsewhere and wouldn't actually be able to pay out the money on numerous workers from agencies on such a routine basis. No sane businessman goes and flaunts money they haven't actually got because thats actually how you end up screwing yourself over. A lot of companies have an 'x' day payment delay upon completion of the works. What happens when that money is tied up? What happens if that company goes through in that time leaving you without thousands of pounds? The fact is, not having a large HR department with expensive overheads actually allows profit to be reinvested elsewhere which is often paying suppliers for more materials for a contract taken on as well as more staff.

The amount of nonsense spouted in this thread is incredible.

So you think my claim (it isnt a claim, it is a fact) that agencies dont do this for free is not true then? You do realise how stupid that sounds yes?

Although yesterday you were threatening to beat someone up as well as justifying wishing cancer on someone, so maybe that answer isn't as obvious as it ahould be.

You arent offering people work. You are offering people already available work and taking a % of their wage as a result, thus taking the opportunities that were there for poor working class families to make their lives better and concentrating them on desperate people who almost have no choice but to accept your ransom.

You hold the jobs that were readily available before hand, and will release them only to those desperate enough to allow you to take part of their wage.

So you think my claim (it isnt a claim, it is a fact) that agencies dont do this for free is not true then? You do realise how stupid that sounds yes?

Of course they don't do it for free but nobody is forced to go through a recruitment agency.

Although yesterday you were threatening to beat someone up as well as justifying wishing cancer on someone, so maybe that answer isn't as obvious as it ahould be.

Yes, he was threatening me. What has this got to do with this specific debate and the points at hand?

You arent offering people work. You are offering people already available work and taking a % of their wage as a result, thus taking the opportunities that were there for poor working class families to make their lives better and concentrating them on desperate people who almost have no choice but to accept your ransom.

This is nonsense. He is taking a % of their wages because they allow him to do so or believe it is convenient for them to do so. The last job I secured was through a recruitment agency. Once I knew who the company was I cut contact with the recruitment agency, phoned the company directly and asked to speak to the manager. Please don't pretend that the employees are innocent victims in this who are unaware that recruitment agencies are middle men. Adam and other agencies provide a service. They are under no obligation to take them. They can go the direct route but most don't for reasons outlined above. This victim mentality is beyond boring.

You hold the jobs that were readily available before hand, and will release them only to those desperate enough to allow you to take part of their wage.

You should write a novel or apply for a role in Game of Thrones. Your ability to take something incredibly trivial and turn it into a dramatic piece is truly awe inspiring.

So you think my claim (it isnt a claim, it is a fact) that agencies dont do this for free is not true then? You do realise how stupid that sounds yes?

Although yesterday you were threatening to beat someone up as well as justifying wishing cancer on someone, so maybe that answer isn't as obvious as it ahould be.

You arent offering people work. You are offering people already available work and taking a % of their wage as a result, thus taking the opportunities that were there for poor working class families to make their lives better and concentrating them on desperate people who almost have no choice but to accept your ransom.

You hold the jobs that were readily available before hand, and will release them only to those desperate enough to allow you to take part of their wage.

no-one is taking a percentage of anyone's wage ffs!!!! Take a factory for example who's production levels go up and down throughout the year, well back in the 70s they would employ levels to cover their highest point of annual production and when the levels were low they had them standing around and doing nothing costing the company thousands per week!! These days they employ to cover their lowest levels and when production peeks then they bring in agency staff for help. It's business sense!!!

Of course they don't do it for free but nobody is forced to go through a recruitment agency.

Thats very narrow minded and ignorant. There are many people who feel forced to go through an agency. Many agencies try to create a shortage of freely available jobs to create footfall themselves, ive seen it first hand.

Yes, he was threatening me. What has this got to do with this specific debate and the points at hand?

If you read it then you wouldnt need to ask. I said "do you realise how stupid that sounds?" And then cited those incidents yesterday as to why he probably doesnt realise.

This is nonsense. He is taking a % of their wages because they allow him to do so or believe it is convenient for them to do so. The last job I secured was through a recruitment agency. Once I knew who the company was I cut contact with the recruitment agency, phoned the company directly and asked to speak to the manager. Please don't pretend that the employees are innocent victims in this who are unaware that recruitment agencies are middle men. Adam and other agencies provide a service. They are under no obligation to take them. They can go the direct route but most don't for reasons outlined above. This victim mentality is beyond boring.

This is absolutely not nonsense. They allow him to do so because they feel they have no choice but accept whatever job they can in this climate. However that job would have been available regardless and at a higher rate of pay if it were not for this bloke amd his like. You dont seem to understand the concept of recruitment. It is not usually a contract where the employee pays directly out of his/her wage packet so it is not a case of "canelling a contract". The company pays the agency a fee and takes that fee from the potential wage, creating a minimum wage job from what was a living wage job. Just there mere existance of the agency will drive wages down whether it is approached directly or by them. So you miss the point here.

You should write a novel or apply for a role in Game of Thrones. Your ability to take something incredibly trivial and turn it into a dramatic piece is truly awe inspiring.

You would also be good in game of thrones, especially in the sword fighting considering all the sharp points you seem to miss.

no-one is taking a percentage of anyone's wage ffs!!!! Take a factory for example who's production levels go up and down throughout the year, well back in the 70s they would employ levels to cover their highest point of annual production and when the levels were low they had them standing around and doing nothing costing the company thousands per week!! These days they employ to cover their lowest levels and when production peeks then they bring in agency staff for help. It's business sense!!!

No, that is what the immoral companies do. The ones that are lazy and try and utilize like minded agencies to cream off their employees.

The ones with business sense that have fluctuating production levels - offer a minimum hour contract with compulsary overtime, the contract of course, based on the minimum output. Holidays and leave is then calculated on an average hourly output. This eliminates the use for an agency and keeps wages at an acceptable level.

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Thats very narrow minded and ignorant. There are many people who feel forced to go through an agency.

Oh, well we can't hurt their feelings now can we? Maybe they need to get some perspective on how the world operates, mature up and take some individual responsibility for their own actions. Regardless, to suggest agencies are the problem here for simply becoming a middle man in the market is ridiculous.

Many agencies try to create a shortage of freely available jobs to create footfall themselves, ive seen it first hand.

Anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy.

This is absolutely not nonsense. They allow him to do so because they feel they have no choice but accept whatever job they can in this climate. However that job would have been available regardless and at a higher rate of pay if it were not for this bloke amd his like. You dont seem to understand the concept of recruitment. It is not usually a contract where the employee pays directly out of his/her wage packet so it is not a case of "canelling a contract". The company pays the agency a fee and takes that fee from the potential wage, creating a minimum wage job from what was a living wage job. Just there mere existance of the agency will drive wages down whether it is approached directly or by them. So you miss the point here.

No, you're right. I don't understand recruitment. I just worked with some of the largest companies in the world as clients but forgive me, what a complete idiot I am. You seem to lack understanding of what a free market consists of. I know the agency takes a percentage fee and I did not for a moment suggest otherwise. However, you seem to be completely void of any lack of fiscal understanding. If a business doesn't go through an agency what do you think that business does? It employs staff, pays bills for overheads and sets up a HR department. Where do you think the money comes for that? A money tree. No! The same money (most likely more) used to pay the agency will be used to pay for a head of human resources, other staff in the department, bills, regulation related paperwork, health and safety related crap and the rest of it. That is thousands upon thousands of pounds, if not millions for a larger company. The employee still gets their wage of around £6.50 per hour because the company now has to fund a large HR department instead of paying an agency fees. Its not rocket science to work out.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the government for driving the country right down the panhole. Wages haven't really increased enough in line with the cost of living leaving a cost of living crisis and people struggling. To suggest recruitment agencies are in any way to blame is at best, ludicrous. People are struggling to make ends meet because of decades of fiscal mismanagement in the UK by the Labour Party and the Tories. It is only getting worse now, regardless of what they keep telling you about 'economic growth', which is just more smoke and mirrors. It was one of the main reasons I left the country. The country has been in a slow moral and economic decline in real terms for decades yet so many blinkered idiots in the UK still peddle the line that its great.

Oh, well we can't hurt their feelings now can we? Maybe they need to get some perspective on how the world operates, mature up and take some individual responsibility for their own actions. Regardless, to suggest agencies are the problem here for simply becoming a middle man in the market is ridiculous.

What? Hurt whose feelings? What on earth are you talking about? Nobody is suggesting agencies are THE problem, they are obviously part of a very large problem, that part being a very needless part at that. There is no need for a middle man.

Anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy.

There is nothing anecdotal about obvious and well known business plans.

No, you're right. I don't understand recruitment. I just worked with some of the largest companies in the world as clients but forgive me, what a complete idiot I am. You seem to lack understanding of what a free market consists of. I know the agency takes a percentage fee and I did not for a moment suggest otherwise. However, you seem to be completely void of any lack of fiscal understanding. If a business doesn't go through an agency what do you think that business does? It employs staff, pays bills for overheads and sets up a HR department. Where do you think the money comes for that? A money tree. No! The same money (most likely more) used to pay the agency will be used to pay for a head of human resources, other staff in the department, bills, regulation related paperwork, health and safety related crap and the rest of it. That is thousands upon thousands of pounds, if not millions for a larger company. The employee still gets their wage of around £6.50 per hour because the company now has to fund a large HR department instead of paying an agency fees. Its not rocket science to work out.

Yes, and I have shopped as a client in some of the largest fashion labels in the world, it doesnt mean I understand fashion. And from what you have said, you certainly dont understand recruitment or indeed the effects of it. Again, rubbish. Very few companies will solely oursource their employment to an agency and not have a HR department. They still have to pay their workers, many of which will not be agency workers. These scenarios are so specific they wouldnt even add up to 5% of cases. Agencies are seeking out as many contacts as they can, it means lazy companies dont have to recruit on their own time and can pay less and it means agencies can control a large % of the free job market forcing people to go through agencies that wouldnt have normally, but now they must accept bare minimum wage while the agency takes what would have been theirs.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the government for driving the country right down the panhole. Wages haven't really increased enough in line with the cost of living leaving a cost of living crisis and people struggling. To suggest recruitment agencies are in any way to blame is at best, ludicrous. People are struggling to make ends meet because of decades of fiscal mismanagement in the UK by the Labour Party and the Tories. It is only getting worse now, regardless of what they keep telling you about 'economic growth', which is just more smoke and mirrors. It was one of the main reasons I left the country. The country has been in a slow moral and economic decline in real terms for decades yet so many blinkered idiots in the UK still peddle the line that its great.

Now I agree with that too. I certainly do blame the government, they created the scenario where recruitment agencies can flourish. So they arent to blame for this crisis, but they are a big part of it. The government has created the correct conditions in the petri-dish for the bacteria to develop. However I cant understand how you can suggest that you blame the government for driving wages down when that is exactly what recruitment agencies do on a daily basis to millions of people.

Pembroke bluebird wrote:
The construction companies love you because you supply CHEAP labour boy You say my statement is totally flawed I stated you pay a miserly £6.50 per hour so if my statement is completely flawed you have changed the rate so have you put it up or down boy ?


yeah I do supply cheap labour and you know what..?....... I f*cking loves it
This is his attitude in his OWN words on supplying labour to a similiar site in Swansea not good is it

I will respond in depth later. I am out for most of today.

These poor people who are employed at £6:50 per hour
Please answer again my request to you the following questions which you failed to answer at the start of this thread
Question 1 Do you supply transport ?
Question 2 do you pay holiday pay ?
Question 3 when an employee is off on the bank holidays how much do you pay them ?
Question 4 how much sick pay do you pay when a employee hands you a doctors sick note ?

Re: CSCS Site Cleaners/Labourers wanted in Cardiff
by ninianblue » Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:24 am

well said, exploitation should not be given the time or space on this site, MODS STOP THIS CHEAP LABOUR, SLAVERY ADVERTISING

BRILLIANTLY PUT. REMOVE PARASITE LEECH ADVERTISING NOW