James McClean,thoughts?

Mate I live in northern Ireland don't try and tell me he has reasons for hating British ppl I live around this shit daily,no other Irish players get on the way he does he's just a attention seeking little rat

Im sure he doesn't hate British people, just has an aversion to showing allegiance to the British government and military. And I can absolutely see his point of view. It would be great disrespect for the murdered civilians of Derry at the hands of the British military if he then observed the military based British National anthem. You can call him any name you want or doubt his intentions, but to me, he is perfectly entitled to not wish to take part in it.

How about respecting the memories of the 118 civilians killed prior to Bloody Sunday or the 148 soldiers told to do a job they were not equipped to carry out , stuck in the middle of a conflict not of their making . I find it disrespectful when posters seem to focus on one action by the Security Forces when there were so many atrocities carried out, I wonder if he bows his head at the memory of so many killed by republicans , Not one side comes out of that conflict with a feeling of a satisfaction but ask yourself this, how many more would have died without troops being deployed .
I doubt Maclean has the same disdain for the Queens head when he's counting his money or do you think he gets it converted to Euros just to ease his conscious .

I wonder if the friends and families of the murdered victims of the IRA would show a complete lack of class when hearing the Irish anthem ?

spot on

He's peacefully displaying his feelings. I don't see anything wrong with it. Didn't our ancestors die in wars so that we all had the right to freedom of speech in a respectable and honourable way?

Mate I live in northern Ireland don't try and tell me he has reasons for hating British ppl I live around this shit daily,no other Irish players get on the way he does he's just a attention seeking little rat

Im sure he doesn't hate British people, just has an aversion to showing allegiance to the British government and military. And I can absolutely see his point of view. It would be great disrespect for the murdered civilians of Derry at the hands of the British military if he then observed the military based British National anthem. You can call him any name you want or doubt his intentions, but to me, he is perfectly entitled to not wish to take part in it.

How about respecting the memories of the 118 civilians killed prior to Bloody Sunday or the 148 soldiers told to do a job they were not equipped to carry out , stuck in the middle of a conflict not of their making . I find it disrespectful when posters seem to focus on one action by the Security Forces when there were so many atrocities carried out, I wonder if he bows his head at the memory of so many killed by republicans , Not one side comes out of that conflict with a feeling of a satisfaction but ask yourself this, how many more would have died without troops being deployed .
I doubt Maclean has the same disdain for the Queens head when he's counting his money or do you think he gets it converted to Euros just to ease his conscious .

Why would taking part in the national anthem of another country be a mark of respect for 118 civilians killed prior to bloody sunday? I cant see your angle at all. He is a Derry lad, and they have strong memories from the massacre by the British Army of unarmed civilians. He isn't stopping anybody else singing about Britain making their enemies fall or crushing the uprising celts or whatever the offensive lyrics say. He is just exercising his right to take no part in it, especially when his hometown still suffers from the tragedy.

Having a job in England and not wanting to pay homage to the military that murdered your hometown civilians are two completely separate issues.

Of course it's to do with class. How many innocents did the IRA kill during the troubles yet after a couple of beers I bet he sings pro-IRA songs with his mates.

No, it has nothing to do with class. Nothing what so ever.

He isn't stood there singing pro IRA songs. If he was, then I would agree. He is simply not taking part in an anthem which is basically homage to the Queen and her military making all the enemies fall... Those including innocent civilians in his hometown. Perfectly reasonable to wish to abstain.

Mate I live in northern Ireland don't try and tell me he has reasons for hating British ppl I live around this shit daily,no other Irish players get on the way he does he's just a attention seeking little rat

Im sure he doesn't hate British people, just has an aversion to showing allegiance to the British government and military. And I can absolutely see his point of view. It would be great disrespect for the murdered civilians of Derry at the hands of the British military if he then observed the military based British National anthem. You can call him any name you want or doubt his intentions, but to me, he is perfectly entitled to not wish to take part in it.

How about respecting the memories of the 118 civilians killed prior to Bloody Sunday or the 148 soldiers told to do a job they were not equipped to carry out , stuck in the middle of a conflict not of their making . I find it disrespectful when posters seem to focus on one action by the Security Forces when there were so many atrocities carried out, I wonder if he bows his head at the memory of so many killed by republicans , Not one side comes out of that conflict with a feeling of a satisfaction but ask yourself this, how many more would have died without troops being deployed .
I doubt Maclean has the same disdain for the Queens head when he's counting his money or do you think he gets it converted to Euros just to ease his conscious .

Why would taking part in the national anthem of another country be a mark of respect for 118 civilians killed prior to bloody sunday? I cant see your angle at all. He is a Derry lad, and they have strong memories from the massacre by the British Army of unarmed civilians. He isn't stopping anybody else singing about Britain making their enemies fall or crushing the uprising celts or whatever the offensive lyrics say. He is just exercising his right to take no part in it, especially when his hometown still suffers from the tragedy.

Having a job in England and not wanting to pay homage to the military that murdered your hometown civilians are two completely separate issues.

My point is he and it would seem others have forgotten the facts that prior to Bloody Sunday innocent civilians were murdered by Republicans and too many more after it some with just as powerful memories , he wasn't even born when it happened so what hope has any peace process have when another generation is brought up to hate .You assume that he doesn't enjoy a good rebel song , you know that do you? I have no time for either side who perpetuate the hatred
You seem to be offended by the words of a song written centuries ago which text is primarily about a sovereign of the time , no wonder this country is such a basket case .
I'd be interested on your views on ISIS supporters who are currently exercising their right to protest and who display offensive banners extolling the joy of killing , it's their right after all .

Mate I live in northern Ireland don't try and tell me he has reasons for hating British ppl I live around this shit daily,no other Irish players get on the way he does he's just a attention seeking little rat

Im sure he doesn't hate British people, just has an aversion to showing allegiance to the British government and military. And I can absolutely see his point of view. It would be great disrespect for the murdered civilians of Derry at the hands of the British military if he then observed the military based British National anthem. You can call him any name you want or doubt his intentions, but to me, he is perfectly entitled to not wish to take part in it.

How about respecting the memories of the 118 civilians killed prior to Bloody Sunday or the 148 soldiers told to do a job they were not equipped to carry out , stuck in the middle of a conflict not of their making . I find it disrespectful when posters seem to focus on one action by the Security Forces when there were so many atrocities carried out, I wonder if he bows his head at the memory of so many killed by republicans , Not one side comes out of that conflict with a feeling of a satisfaction but ask yourself this, how many more would have died without troops being deployed .
I doubt Maclean has the same disdain for the Queens head when he's counting his money or do you think he gets it converted to Euros just to ease his conscious .

Why would taking part in the national anthem of another country be a mark of respect for 118 civilians killed prior to bloody sunday? I cant see your angle at all. He is a Derry lad, and they have strong memories from the massacre by the British Army of unarmed civilians. He isn't stopping anybody else singing about Britain making their enemies fall or crushing the uprising celts or whatever the offensive lyrics say. He is just exercising his right to take no part in it, especially when his hometown still suffers from the tragedy.

Having a job in England and not wanting to pay homage to the military that murdered your hometown civilians are two completely separate issues.

My point is he and it would seem others have forgotten the facts that prior to Bloody Sunday innocent civilians were murdered by Republicans and too many more after it some with just as powerful memories , he wasn't even born when it happened so what hope has any peace process have when another generation is brought up to hate .You assume that he doesn't enjoy a good rebel song , you know that do you? I have no time for either side who perpetuate the hatred
You seem to be offended by the words of a song written centuries ago which text is primarily about a sovereign of the time , no wonder this country is such a basket case .
I'd be interested on your views on ISIS supporters who are currently exercising their right to protest and who display offensive banners extolling the joy of killing , it's their right after all .

Yes I understood the point you were trying to make, I just pointed out that it is not relevant.

I haven't assumed anything, the discussion is about his stance here by not joining in with the military based National Anthem. If he was stood there singing IRA songs then fair enough... But he wasn't, was he now. Or should we slate him because we don't know for sure he isn't a rapist and a racist too? I hope you realise how ridiculous that sounds?

I am not offended by the song at all, why do you assume I am offended. I am simply explaining why a young lad from Derry may not wish to sing words about the British military killing the enemy, when in fact they killed scores of innocent "enemy" in his very home town not so long ago. Whether he was born or not is irrelevant, I'm sure his parents were. The atrocity is deep rooted and its just remembered by those who witnessed it.

ISIS supporters waving banners actively promoting murder and hate... and someone peacefully not wishing to take part in another countries national anthem offensive to his hometown, are two things that couldn't be more poles apart. Come on now.

Of course it's to do with class. How many innocents did the IRA kill during the troubles yet after a couple of beers I bet he sings pro-IRA songs with his mates.

No, it has nothing to do with class. Nothing what so ever.

He isn't stood there singing pro IRA songs. If he was, then I would agree. He is simply not taking part in an anthem which is basically homage to the Queen and her military making all the enemies fall... Those including innocent civilians in his hometown. Perfectly reasonable to wish to abstain.

Yes it is to do with class. Many people ancestors have been innocently killed by the Germans or the Argentines but I'm sure 99.9% of them would still respect their anthem if they heard it at a sporting event

Nope it has nothing to do with class and everything to do with personal choice based on experience and upbringing. I know plenty of war veterans that would never sing the German National anthem or participate in it. Some will, some wont. That is the non dictatorship and free country we enjoy. Neither are wrong.

The ones that are wrong however, are the ones deciding what people should feel and how they should act even if said subject is done in a peaceful and inoffensive manner, which of course is the exact notion we fought to uphold in world war 2. Thats fascism thats the likes of Hitler and Mussolini would be proud of.

Nope it has nothing to do with class and everything to do with personal choice based on experience and upbringing. I know plenty of war veterans that would never sing the German National anthem or participate in it. Some will, some wont. That is the non dictatorship and free country we enjoy. Neither are wrong.

The ones that are wrong however, are the ones deciding what people should feel and how they should act even if said subject is done in a peaceful and inoffensive manner, which of course is the exact notion we fought to uphold in world war 2. Thats fascism thats the likes of Hitler and Mussolini would be proud of.

It was offensive to many who don't share your point if view .Some folk as you pointed out would never sing the German Anthem why would they ? but don't feel the need to tell the world and his dog every time it's played how they feel . All he is attention seeking who's petty actions perpetuate the issues still ongoing in N I .
How about ISIS supporters peacefully waving the black flag outside a hospital where injured innocents have been taken for treatment after being caught up in a bomb attack . a peaceful protest against the perceived wrongs committed by non believers .

He's a fukin ira supporter been pictured wearing pro ira badges in the past, it's everything to do with his bigoted thoughts and lack of respect for his team mates and club and everyone who supports west brom should be appalled by him

I wonder if the friends and families of the murdered victims of the IRA would show a complete lack of class when hearing the Irish anthem ?

Here here. F#cking murderers..... Men, women and children.

Nope it has nothing to do with class and everything to do with personal choice based on experience and upbringing. I know plenty of war veterans that would never sing the German National anthem or participate in it. Some will, some wont. That is the non dictatorship and free country we enjoy. Neither are wrong.

The ones that are wrong however, are the ones deciding what people should feel and how they should act even if said subject is done in a peaceful and inoffensive manner, which of course is the exact notion we fought to uphold in world war 2. Thats fascism thats the likes of Hitler and Mussolini would be proud of.

It was offensive to many who don't share your point if view .Some folk as you pointed out would never sing the German Anthem why would they ? but don't feel the need to tell the world and his dog every time it's played how they feel . All he is attention seeking who's petty actions perpetuate the issues still ongoing in N I .
How about ISIS supporters peacefully waving the black flag outside a hospital where injured innocents have been taken for treatment after being caught up in a bomb attack . a peaceful protest against the perceived wrongs committed by non believers .

Not singing a song is offensive? Don't be so ridiculous. He hasn't told anybody how he feels, I've not seen one interview he has instigated regarding it. In fact, it seems everybody else wants to make sure the world knows about it. Quite a difference. His actions perpetuate nothing, apart from his own personal choice to not sing the military based anthem. Simple as that.

What in Gods name do you keep going on about ISIS for? Waving of an inflammatory flag which represents death to westerners outside a hospital in the face of victims of a terrorist attack.... And deciding to not sing the anthem of a country who murdered people in his hometown. In what way are they comparable? Again, they are not.

To make an equally ridiculous (but probably more pertinent example) Would you recite the ISIS decree of honour at a football match if other people were? Regardless of the atrocities they have carried out? Of course not.

Fcuk him he's a scumbag and a hypocrite.

He's a fukin ira supporter been pictured wearing pro ira badges in the past, it's everything to do with his bigoted thoughts and lack of respect for his team mates and club and everyone who supports west brom should be appalled by him

And Craig Bellamy hit someone with a club before, it doesn't mean every time he does something its due to him being an evil maniac. THIS scenario he just abstained from a military based anthem of which is hated in his part of the world for the atrocities the British Army carried out. He didn't make a song and dance, he didnt disrupt it, he didn't promote the IRA and he didnt stop others joining in or indeed try to influence them... He just decided not to be a part of it. If they are appalled by him then they need to pick up a history book and get an education.

Nope it has nothing to do with class and everything to do with personal choice based on experience and upbringing. I know plenty of war veterans that would never sing the German National anthem or participate in it. Some will, some wont. That is the non dictatorship and free country we enjoy. Neither are wrong.

The ones that are wrong however, are the ones deciding what people should feel and how they should act even if said subject is done in a peaceful and inoffensive manner, which of course is the exact notion we fought to uphold in world war 2. Thats fascism thats the likes of Hitler and Mussolini would be proud of.

So you know people who would never sing or participate if they heard the German anthem ? Are you sure because the German anthem is a different song to the one under Hitler in the 1940s so in fact that veterans shouldn't really have an issue with the modern German anthem or the Italian one either as that has changed since the war. So your claim that you know people who would show such distaste if they heard these tunes are nonsense

So you know people who would never sing or participate if they heard the German anthem ? Are you sure because the German anthem is a different song to the one under Hitler in the 1940s so in fact that veterans shouldn't really have an issue with the modern German anthem or the Italian one either as that has changed since the war. So your claim that you know people who would show such distaste if they heard these tunes are nonsense

Yes, pretty sure. my grandfather is one of them. Maybe you can tell him that then... To add to your other wishes to tell people how to think and act while hypocritically lauding the non fascist environment in which that same person you are calling "nonsensical" fought for, yet ignorantly displaying complete fascism in the process.

So you know people who would never sing or participate if they heard the German anthem ? Are you sure because the German anthem is a different song to the one under Hitler in the 1940s so in fact that veterans shouldn't really have an issue with the modern German anthem or the Italian one either as that has changed since the war. So your claim that you know people who would show such distaste if they heard these tunes are nonsense

Yes, pretty sure. my grandfather is one of them. Maybe you can tell him that then... To add to your other wishes to tell people how to think and act while hypocritically lauding the non fascist environment in which that same person you are calling "nonsensical" fought for, yet ignorantly displaying complete fascism in the process.

But it's a different song and I'd put money on him knowing that so you are talking bollox just to give your argument some creditibility.

Then you have lost your money pal, to be frank. There is no argument, it is common sense. It doesn't matter if it is a different song, it represents a country that these people have a deep hatred for so show no allegiance to it. Whether that is a misplaced hatred is another matter, but it is based on their personal experience and thus personal choice. Same goes for Maclean. I also know a fella that has a panic attack every time he sees someone of Japanese ethnicity. Ill tell him you don't approve too - because it is more than likely a different man, just like the german national anthem is a different tune... Or maybe on second thoughts, i wouldn't want to sound like an uneducated fascist with a penchant for extreme hypocrisy. People have their reasons, as long as they aren't hurting anybody, leave them abstain from whatever political formalities they wish to abstain from. Because again, making people swear allegiance is fascism. You do know that right?

Then you have lost your money pal, to be frank. There is no argument, it is common sense. It doesn't matter if it is a different song, it represents a country that these people have a deep hatred for so show no allegiance to it. Whether that is a misplaced hatred is another matter, but it is based on their personal experience and thus personal choice. Same goes for Maclean. I also know a fella that has a panic attack every time he sees someone of Japanese ethnicity. Ill tell him you don't approve too - because it is more than likely a different man, just like the german national anthem is a different tune... Or maybe on second thoughts, i wouldn't want to wound like an uneducated fascist with a penchant for extreme hypocrisy.

You talking bollocks and you have Barnett written all over your posts. The hypocrisy is the one who's taking the Queens silver yet is then happy to act in such a distasteful manner. You didn't even know that the German anthem had changed since the war and with the greatest of respect if you still have a grandfather who's still alive then I would even question if he actually took part in the war as there would need to be around 65 years between you!!!

And you comment about a man going into a panic attack everytime he see anything Japanese is disgusting to be honest as he would have a panic attack everytime he went into a supermarket these days because of the popularity of sushi in the UK. So once again I very much doubt that even to be the case because of the time period since the war.

Then you have lost your money pal, to be frank. There is no argument, it is common sense. It doesn't matter if it is a different song, it represents a country that these people have a deep hatred for so show no allegiance to it. Whether that is a misplaced hatred is another matter, but it is based on their personal experience and thus personal choice. Same goes for Maclean. I also know a fella that has a panic attack every time he sees someone of Japanese ethnicity. Ill tell him you don't approve too - because it is more than likely a different man, just like the german national anthem is a different tune... Or maybe on second thoughts, i wouldn't want to wound like an uneducated fascist with a penchant for extreme hypocrisy.

You talking bollocks and you have Barnett written all over your posts. The hypocrisy is the one who's taking e Queens silver yet is then happy to act in such a distasteful manner. You didn't even know that the German anthem had changed since the war and with the greatest of respect if you still have a grandfather who's still alive then I would even question if he actually took part in the war as there would need to be around 65 years between you!!!

Which part is bollocks? The part where you irrationally call my Grandfather (that you have never met) a liar for not standing for the German anthem when it is played? You are losing the plot on this one pal. And what is a Barnett? Lost me there, not for the first time from your wild ramblings may I add.

Where did I say I didn't know the German anthem had changed? I said it made no difference that it has changed. Do you think he just didn't like the song? A bit like not dancing to the Spice Girls when they come on coz they are a bit naff? The anthem represents the country, it can change a thousand times and many veterans will still not acknowledge it or take part in observing it. That is just fact, and the way it is.

My Grandfather was born in 1923, and is 93 years old. I will also tell him that not only is he wrong for not wanting to sing the German anthem (amazingly due to the fact its a different tune), i shall also tell him that he imagined the war and that he is also probably dead. Because nobody could possibly have a deep rooted dislike for a country after a war, an unthinkable notion right?

Although 93 years old, I'm sure he would look at me in the same odd way as I would look at you if you said this in person to me. Like you were a fruitcake. No offence like.

And you comment about a man going into a panic attack everytime he see anything Japanese is disgusting to be honest as he would have a panic attack everytime he went into a supermarket these days because of the popularity of sushi in the UK. So once again I very much doubt that even to be the case because of the time period since the war.

I didnt say every time he sees something Japanese. If you are going to make a fool of yourself at least read the manuscript first. I said every time he sees someone of Japanese ethnicity. I don't think Sushi counts somehow. Educate yourself, its called post traumatic stress disorder and does not have a time limit, it has certain triggers. A fairly common one for Brits fighting in that part of the war is simply a Japanese face. Especially those tortured. Im sure a quick google search will show many other identical cases. Like I said, read before you type. You won't come across so silly then.

Then you have lost your money pal, to be frank. There is no argument, it is common sense. It doesn't matter if it is a different song, it represents a country that these people have a deep hatred for so show no allegiance to it. Whether that is a misplaced hatred is another matter, but it is based on their personal experience and thus personal choice. Same goes for Maclean. I also know a fella that has a panic attack every time he sees someone of Japanese ethnicity. Ill tell him you don't approve too - because it is more than likely a different man, just like the german national anthem is a different tune... Or maybe on second thoughts, i wouldn't want to wound like an uneducated fascist with a penchant for extreme hypocrisy.

You talking bollocks and you have Barnett written all over your posts. The hypocrisy is the one who's taking e Queens silver yet is then happy to act in such a distasteful manner. You didn't even know that the German anthem had changed since the war and with the greatest of respect if you still have a grandfather who's still alive then I would even question if he actually took part in the war as there would need to be around 65 years between you!!!

Which part is bollocks? The part where you irrationally call my Grandfather (that you have never met) a liar for not standing for the German anthem when it is played? You are losing the plot on this one pal. And what is a Barnett? Lost me there, not for the first time from your wild ramblings may I add.

Where did I say I didn't know the German anthem had changed? I said it made no difference that it has changed. Do you think he just didn't like the song? A bit like not dancing to the Spice Girls when they come on coz they are a bit naff? The anthem represents the country, it can change a thousand times and many veterans will still not acknowledge it or take part in observing it. That is just fact, and the way it is.

My Grandfather was born in 1923, and is 93 years old. I will also tell him that not only is he wrong for not wanting to sing the German anthem (amazingly due to the fact its a different tune), i shall also tell him that he imagined the war and that he is also probably dead. Because nobody could possibly have a deep rooted dislike for a country after a war, an unthinkable notion right?

Although 93 years old, I'm sure he would look at me in the same odd way as I would look at you if you said this in person to me. Like you were a fruitcake. No offence like.

What's his name then as I'll do a check on the military records because I don't believe a word you are saying

And you comment about a man going into a panic attack everytime he see anything Japanese is disgusting to be honest as he would have a panic attack everytime he went into a supermarket these days because of the popularity of sushi in the UK. So once again I very much doubt that even to be the case because of the time period since the war.

I didnt say every time he sees something Japanese. If you are going to make a fool of yourself at least read the manuscript first. I said every time he sees someone of Japanese ethnicity. I don't think Sushi counts somehow. Educate yourself, its called post traumatic stress disorder and does not have a time limit, it has certain triggers. A fairly common one for Brits fighting in that part of the war is simply a Japanese face. Especially those tortured. Im sure a quick google search will show many other identical cases. Like I said, read before you type. You won't come across so silly then.

You talking to someone who's grandfather was held in a Japanese camp so I think I know what they went through. Even through he never said a word about it like many of his time which is why I'm not believing a word. What's his name as I'll check that too and how old is he by the way ?

What's his name then as I'll do a check on the military records because I don't believe a word you are saying

I couldn't care less what you believe. Im not giving out my family members name over the internet to someone who seems quite imbalanced to say the least. Who do you think you are? My Grandfathers accounts are not the barometer of the facts of war, the accounts are vast.

As I said, a google search will show many identical stories so you can get from other people account of not only not wishing to observe the national anthem but also not wishing to buy German things. For example, if my Grandad was given a Mercedes, he would never drive it, he associates it with the Nazis. If he was given a Hugo Boss suit, he would probably burn it. I will let you google why. You can also educate yourself on post traumatic stress suffered by a large % of people who served in the wars and the triggers that set off the attacks... Id be surprised if you found anybody claiming sushi was a trigger though.

What's his name then as I'll do a check on the military records because I don't believe a word you are saying

I couldn't care less what you believe. Im not giving out my family members name over the internet to someone who seems quite imbalanced to say the least. Who do you think you are? My Grandfathers accounts are not the barometer of the facts of war, the accounts are vast.

As I said, a google search will show many identical stories so you can get from other people account of not only not wishing to observe the national anthem but also not wishing to buy German things. For example, if my Grandad was given a Mercedes, he would never drive it, he associates it with the Nazis. If he was given a Hugo Boss suit, he would probably burn it. I will let you google why. You can also educate yourself on post traumatic stress suffered by a large % of people who served in the wars and the triggers that set off the attacks... Id be surprised if you found anybody claiming sushi was a trigger though.

Why not ? You should be proud of what your grandfather done yet not proud enough to tell us his name!! You are f*cking Barnett and if I'm right you should be banned because of your disgusting made up stories.

What's his name then as I'll do a check on the military records because I don't believe a word you are saying

I couldn't care less what you believe. Im not giving out my family members name over the internet to someone who seems quite imbalanced to say the least. Who do you think you are? My Grandfathers accounts are not the barometer of the facts of war, the accounts are vast.

As I said, a google search will show many identical stories so you can get from other people account of not only not wishing to observe the national anthem but also not wishing to buy German things. For example, if my Grandad was given a Mercedes, he would never drive it, he associates it with the Nazis. If he was given a Hugo Boss suit, he would probably burn it. I will let you google why. You can also educate yourself on post traumatic stress suffered by a large % of people who served in the wars and the triggers that set off the attacks... Id be surprised if you found anybody claiming sushi was a trigger though.

Why not ? You should be proud of what your grandfather done yet not proud enough to tell us his name!! You are f*cking Barnett and if I'm right you should be banned because of your disgusting made up stories.
"Que Wilshire is no going rough Miltary records to find a gentleman who's 93 and still alive just to give his stories some creditibility"

I am extremely proud of my Grandfather. I am also extremely proud of my 6 year old son, do you think I should give his name out over the internet to a troll too? No,I don't think so.

You are stating I have made up the stories simply because it doesn't fit in with your agenda or more accurately, the hole you dug yourself with a spade called hypocrisy and a shovel called fascism. THE FACT is, there are hundreds and probably thousands of stories and accounts EXACTLY the same as my Grandfathers, so whether you believe my specific situation makes no difference what so ever. Unless of course you think everybody is lying just to make you look a bellend? Although I wouldn't put that past your train of thought after this exchange.

Read - educate - speak. In that order.

I am extremely proud of my Grandfather. I am also extremely proud of my 6 year old son, do you think I should give his name out over the internet to a troll too? No,I don't think so.

You are stating I have made up the stories simply because it doesn't fit in with your agenda or more accurately, the hole you dug yourself with a spade called hypocrisy and a shovel called fascism. THE FACT is, there are hundreds and probably thousands of stories and accounts EXACTLY the same as my Grandfathers, so whether you believe my specific situation makes no difference what so ever. Unless of course you think everybody is lying just to make you look a bellend? Although I wouldn't put that past your train of thought after this exchange.

Read - educate - speak. In that order.

The ONLY fact here is that you refuse to give your grandfathers name to do a check on the military records about your claim. Your stories and lies have zero credibility and all your comments have just been a clear Barnett attempt to wind people up on here. f*cking disgraceful in my book and you should be banned for making up so disgraceful stories