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So the mutually agreed agreement could quite concievably been as follows
We will let you go to another club for no fee and you will forgo your contract with us
Mutual agreement yes pay off no

Looking at what his agent is saying that pretty much sums up the clubs stance at the moment but of course there is no mutual agreement otherwise JG would already be gone. The club, in my opinion, is playing hardball over this and Malaga is sitting back hoping to get a proven experienced player for nothing. JG on the other hand wants to leave and is prepared to take a cut in pay to sign for Malaga and he is now looking to get a % of the balance of the value of his contract. I believe that eventually a mutually acceptable agreement will be reached the details of which WILL be confidential and at that stage the club will announce he has left by "Mutual Consent".

I suspect that JG is on a decent wage and when he leaves it will release a decent amount of money which will allow RS to bring in other players without breaking the budget he has been given. The club have said they will support him during this transfer window so I wish they would just get on with this and get it done.

I'm sure RS would appreciate this being brought to a close as much as JG.

Don't know what you And others have got against the club, why you feel you have to argue the case so vehemently in faviour of a player who has hasnt even played 90 minutes for us. Yet your supposed to be a Cardiff supporter. The situation with Cala and Guerra is totally different as one has a club lined up offering a contract and the other didn't, so to get him off the books, some kind of deal would be offered.

Hmmmm?

Every player in the last 2 years seems to be in the wrong,but not the people at the top?

agreed, we gave Guerra the contract that he signed so why should he take a hit because our inept management can't see a good goalscorer when they are right in front of them

So let me get this straight are you 2 actually wanting us to pay up guerra contract so he can go and sign for Malaga and get paid there aswell as getting a pay off from us
Annis I thought you were totally against our club throwing / wasting money if we have to pay up his contract then we might aswell keep him and make him see out his contract playing for the reserves
It's about time clubs took back some control
Players have it too much there own way

Steve, no I'm not saying to pay up his contract but what I am saying is to give him a chance in 'our' team, a chance that he has never been given because our management for some reason think he is crap If we did try him and he fails or can't be bothered then either put him in the reserves or tell him to walk away. We gave him the contract so it's hardly his fault if we do not play him. Understand now Steve?

Hmmmm?

Every player in the last 2 years seems to be in the wrong,but not the people at the top?

agreed, we gave Guerra the contract that he signed so why should he take a hit because our inept management can't see a good goalscorer when they are right in front of them

What?

Guerra gets a good contract and we should pay HIM to get out of it.

Whoever wants rid the most will take the hit. If the club are holding out to not pay him off then it is up to Guerra to take the hit.

But if the club want him gone they will pay up.

Whichever way you look at it whoever is more desperate should take the hit and at the moment the agent seems to be making the waves and desperate for something to happen.

where have I said that we should pay him up?? Show me please. What I am saying is, Guerra has NOT been given a fair crack of the whip because of our management, now if that tells you that I'm saying that we should pay him up then I'm afraid you are totally mistaken.
PS your statement that says "But if the club want him gone they will pay up", says it all, if the club wants him gone they will pay up, isn't that what you have said that I suggested? I believe the club do want him gone otherwise why haven't they played our best striker???

I will state this, Guerra is going to take a pay cut to leave us,just so he can play first team football

Fair play to Guerra and you will once again be playing in one of the best Leagues in the world,can't fault you :



Proven quality striker

Annis, spot on

From what his agent is saying the player is prepared to take a "hit" in respect to the difference in the value of his contract with Cardiff City and what he will earn at Malaga.

In fairness to the man he is prepared to move on and take a pay cut in the process and, in my opinion, it is now down to the club to come to a reasonable settlement with him to allow his contract with Cardiff City to be cancelled "By Mutual Consent".

Time for the club to step up to the plate and take their share of the responsibility for this sorry situation.

At last, someone who sees it through sensible eyes, well done that man

I really do not get this
he wants to leave so why should we pay him
it ain't our fault malaga are skint and not willing to pay us a fee or him a signing on fee
we have Done the right thing in saying he can go for no fee as if he is as good as everyone thinks we should be demanding a fee

He wants to leave because he has NOT been given a chance here ffs, can't you see that???

From what his agent is saying the player is prepared to take a "hit" in respect to the difference in the value of his contract with Cardiff City and what he will earn at Malaga.

In fairness to the man he is prepared to move on and take a pay cut in the process and, in my opinion, it is now down to the club to come to a reasonable settlement with him to allow his contract with Cardiff City to be cancelled "By Mutual Consent".

Time for the club to step up to the plate and take their share of the responsibility for this sorry situation.

Not really, what if the club feel that they have been the ones who have suffered with this transfer and have already taken the hit? The fact is that 3 managers have not been prepared to pick him. Just maybe, the guy has been homesick since walking through the door and just doesn't show anything in training. Maybe he sulks all the time, who knows?
He has a club to go to, now he should just make the move before the opportunity disappears. How so called supporters can back a player against our club, who has hardly kicked a ball for us and say he's the best striker at the club, is just pathetic and an indication of how bitter our once proud supporters have become.

I just think it hasn't worked out for him at our club, for whatever reason, and things like that happen, Le Fondre is another example. If there had been any poor behaviour on the players behalf then surely the club would have dealt with that through a disciplinary process, but as far as I know there have been no problems of attitude or application by the player. If anything he has been isolated by Russell Slade who excluded him from his original squad of 20 players he selected when he took over.

The club came to an agreement with Juan Cala to end his contract after he went on social media complaining about how he was being treated, within days he was released by "Mutual Consent" thanking VT for everything he had done, a clear sign in my opinion he was paid off on the condition he said VT was wonderful.

Javi Guerra by comparison has been grown up about the whole experience and appears only to be asking for a reasonable settlement to his contract. I have a great deal of respect for the man as he is prepared to move on, take a pay cut and lose out on the whole balance of his contract with Cardiff City.

If nothing else we should respect the dignity Javi Guerra is showing compared to say Cala.

yet another sensible post, I really wish some of our fans try to see the bigger picture, it's laughable really

So the mutually agreed agreement could quite concievably been as follows
We will let you go to another club for no fee and you will forgo your contract with us
Mutual agreement yes pay off no

Looking at what his agent is saying that pretty much sums up the clubs stance at the moment but of course there is no mutual agreement otherwise JG would already be gone. The club, in my opinion, is playing hardball over this and Malaga is sitting back hoping to get a proven experienced player for nothing. JG on the other hand wants to leave and is prepared to take a cut in pay to sign for Malaga and he is now looking to get a % of the balance of the value of his contract. I believe that eventually a mutually acceptable agreement will be reached the details of which WILL be confidential and at that stage the club will announce he has left by "Mutual Consent".

I suspect that JG is on a decent wage and when he leaves it will release a decent amount of money which will allow RS to bring in other players without breaking the budget he has been given. The club have said they will support him during this transfer window so I wish they would just get on with this and get it done.

I'm sure RS would appreciate this being brought to a close as much as JG.

Don't know what you And others have got against the club, why you feel you have to argue the case so vehemently in faviour of a player who has hasnt even played 90 minutes for us. Yet your supposed to be a Cardiff supporter. The situation with Cala and Guerra is totally different as one has a club lined up offering a contract and the other didn't, so to get him off the books, some kind of deal would be offered.

It's called being fair, you hit the nail on the head, he hasn't played 90 minutes for us hence not given a chance but yet our club wants him to just walk away when he was Tan's signing anyway and Cardiff City gave him the contract, Guerra just agreed to it? It has nothing to do with being a Cardiff supporter the same would apply to any other team and player. You can't make this shit up.

He has not been given a chance so people keep saying but Why is the question I ask
not trying in training, poor attitude etc do you know?
he was rubbish on the odd occasion he did kick a ball for us
so stop the bull and making out like he has been poorly treated stc
well paid for doing nowt is what he is

How is the club making him walk away? We signed him, and are paying him wages as agreed per the contract. We don't owe him anything extra. If he wants to walk away to his home town club, who are pleading poverty then he should take a cut. He said he was prepared to, so what's the problem? If he doesn't he can fight for his place as far as I am concerned.
Yes he is quality, and I wish he could have shown it here, but I don't think we should roll over for him.

Malaga want him for no fee, and reduced wages which we are supposed to subsidise. Fecking hell I am going to quit my job and get my old employer to make my wages up at Brains as a voluntary beer taster. Sorry City are in the right here, and Malaga & Guerra are being very grabby.

How is the club making him walk away? We signed him, and are paying him wages as agreed per the contract. We don't owe him anything extra. If he wants to walk away to his home town club, who are pleading poverty then he should take a cut. He said he was prepared to, so what's the problem? If he doesn't he can fight for his place as far as I am concerned.
Yes he is quality, and I wish he could have shown it here, but I don't think we should roll over for him.

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He has not been given a chance so people keep saying but Why is the question I ask
not trying in training, poor attitude etc do you know?
he was rubbish on the odd occasion he did kick a ball for us
so stop the bull and making out like he has been poorly treated stc
well paid for doing nowt is what he is

you can't be serious surely
well paid for doing nowt you say? He has been knocking on Slades door on more than one occasion to ask him for that 'chance' fella. How can he do anything when he has not been given that chance, oh I'm sorry but you have seen him all of 30 mins and you make an assumption on that, do me a favour mate and don't talk about something you know nothing about, and you say I'm talking bull

How is the club making him walk away? We signed him, and are paying him wages as agreed per the contract. We don't owe him anything extra. If he wants to walk away to his home town club, who are pleading poverty then he should take a cut. He said he was prepared to, so what's the problem? If he doesn't he can fight for his place as far as I am concerned.
Yes he is quality, and I wish he could have shown it here, but I don't think we should roll over for him.

Nobody is saying we should give him anything extra. He wants to play for us but the club, for whatever reason, don't want him so that is why he wants to play football for some other team which just so happens to be his hometown club, we signed him and gave him the contract so you can hardly blame him for not wanting to stick around if he's not going to be played, why should he take a hit more than he has because our management won't play him. Again I will say he has asked Slade on a number of occasions to give him a chance but he won't so thats hardly Guerra's fault.

Malaga want him for no fee, and reduced wages which we are supposed to subsidise. Fecking hell I am going to quit my job and get my old employer to make my wages up at Brains as a voluntary beer taster. Sorry City are in the right here, and Malaga & Guerra are being very grabby.

Malaga are the ones in the wrong for trying to get a contracted player for nothing, Guerra has said he will take a pay cut to make this happen and City, quite rightly so won't give in to Malaga, so none of this is Guerra's fault. He has done everything he possibly can to persuade Slade to give him a 'chance' but the numpty won't. How can anyone blame Guerra for the situation is beyond me.

Guerra and Jones could be a "dream" partnership at any level, it just needs an intelligent Manager to get them focussed and fit and get good service to them! simple really, Dare to Dream eh!!!

Guerra and Jones could be a "dream" partnership at any level, it just needs an intelligent Manager to get them focussed and fit and get good service to them! simple really, Dare to Dream eh!!!

here here, so I say again, who's fault is it for the situation Guerra is in, certainly not him. I'll give you a clue, he looks like Uncle Festa. Not rocket science really

How is the club making him walk away? We signed him, and are paying him wages as agreed per the contract. We don't owe him anything extra. If he wants to walk away to his home town club, who are pleading poverty then he should take a cut. He said he was prepared to, so what's the problem? If he doesn't he can fight for his place as far as I am concerned.
Yes he is quality, and I wish he could have shown it here, but I don't think we should roll over for him.

Nobody is saying we should give him anything extra. He wants to play for us but the club, for whatever reason, don't want him so that is why he wants to play football for some other team which just so happens to be his hometown club, we signed him and gave him the contract so you can hardly blame him for not wanting to stick around if he's not going to be played, why should he take a hit more than he has because our management won't play him. Again I will say he has asked Slade on a number of occasions to give him a chance but he won't so thats hardly Guerra's fault.

Paying up his contract for him to leave early and get paid elsewhere as well is the same as paying him extra though. Why should we?
If he is worth what we are paying him then why can't he get the same wages at a different club? City are not asking for a sale fee which is generous enough by us. Considering he is going on a free, and still can't get his wages matched suggests he is not worth what we are paying him.
I agree he should have been given a chance, but we are paying him a £1m plus a year to train and force his place in the side. We aren't making him going down the pit for the money. That's football not everyone is in every managers plans. I would love to have his well paid problem.

How is the club making him walk away? We signed him, and are paying him wages as agreed per the contract. We don't owe him anything extra. If he wants to walk away to his home town club, who are pleading poverty then he should take a cut. He said he was prepared to, so what's the problem? If he doesn't he can fight for his place as far as I am concerned.
Yes he is quality, and I wish he could have shown it here, but I don't think we should roll over for him.

Nobody is saying we should give him anything extra. He wants to play for us but the club, for whatever reason, don't want him so that is why he wants to play football for some other team which just so happens to be his hometown club, we signed him and gave him the contract so you can hardly blame him for not wanting to stick around if he's not going to be played, why should he take a hit more than he has because our management won't play him. Again I will say he has asked Slade on a number of occasions to give him a chance but he won't so thats hardly Guerra's fault.

Paying up his contract for him to leave early and get paid elsewhere as well is the same as paying him extra though. Why should we?
If he is worth what we are paying him then why can't he get the same wages at a different club? City are not asking for a sale fee which is generous enough by us. Considering he is going on a free, and still can't get his wages matched suggests he is not worth what we are paying him.
I agree he should have been given a chance, but we are paying him a £1m plus a year to train and force his place in the side. We aren't making him going down the pit for the money. That's football not everyone is in every managers plans. I would love to have his well paid problem.

mate, I'm not saying we should pay up his contract for him to leave but what I am saying is if Guerra has been knocking on Slades door for a chance and Slade is not giving him that chance then the club can't expect him to walk away when it's not his fault. Malaga are the ones that are being greedy here expecting to get a player for nothing and expect him to take a cut in wages too. Malaga are skint but Guerra or our club shouldn't have to suffer because of that.
How can Guerra force his way into the team if he is not given that chance by Slade and Young. We don't know the reason behind all this crap but I can say something, it has a lot to do with Young and Guerra clash of personalities that has resulted in him being frozen out

Perhaps when he realises that we aren't going to just pay him off, Malaga may suddenly find the money or he may suddenly be prepared to take the drop. Or perhaps he will be prepared to sign for a club that is willing to pay someone on a free his full wages. Or perhaps he will fight for his place. I am betting on the first two.

How is the club making him walk away? We signed him, and are paying him wages as agreed per the contract. We don't owe him anything extra. If he wants to walk away to his home town club, who are pleading poverty then he should take a cut. He said he was prepared to, so what's the problem? If he doesn't he can fight for his place as far as I am concerned.
Yes he is quality, and I wish he could have shown it here, but I don't think we should roll over for him.

Nobody is saying we should give him anything extra. He wants to play for us but the club, for whatever reason, don't want him so that is why he wants to play football for some other team which just so happens to be his hometown club, we signed him and gave him the contract so you can hardly blame him for not wanting to stick around if he's not going to be played, why should he take a hit more than he has because our management won't play him. Again I will say he has asked Slade on a number of occasions to give him a chance but he won't so thats hardly Guerra's fault.

Paying up his contract for him to leave early and get paid elsewhere as well is the same as paying him extra though. Why should we?
If he is worth what we are paying him then why can't he get the same wages at a different club? City are not asking for a sale fee which is generous enough by us. Considering he is going on a free, and still can't get his wages matched suggests he is not worth what we are paying him.
I agree he should have been given a chance, but we are paying him a £1m plus a year to train and force his place in the side. We aren't making him going down the pit for the money. That's football not everyone is in every managers plans. I would love to have his well paid problem.

mate, I'm not saying we should pay up his contract for him to leave but what I am saying is if Guerra has been knocking on Slades door for a chance and Slade is not giving him that chance then the club can't expect him to walk away when it's not his fault. Malaga are the ones that are being greedy here expecting to get a player for nothing and expect him to take a cut in wages too. Malaga are skint but Guerra or our club shouldn't have to suffer because of that.
How can Guerra force his way into the team if he is not given that chance by Slade and Young. We don't know the reason behind all this crap but I can say something, it has a lot to do with Young and Guerra clash of personalities that has resulted in him being frozen out

City aren't expecting Guerra to walk away though. They are prepared to keep paying him as per his contract.
All the club are saying is Guerra wants to leave or walk away, then they won't pay him off, but he can leave on a free.
It is up to Guerra to find a club prepared to pay him his full wages on a free, or to take a drop.
guerra or his agent are being grabby too here.
Yes Scott Young should never have balled him out in public, yes he is probably frozen out, but he is still being paid. We are still fulfilling our part of the contract. Over to Guerra.

If Slade is aiming to take us to the Premiership shouldn't he be keeping our "premiership quality" players?

If Slade is aiming to take us to the Premiership shouldn't he be keeping our "premiership quality" players?

Deffo, but we need ones who are up for a fight in the Championship too.

I don't understand why some people think that JG is looking to have his contract "Paid up", he isn't. By the same token it was the club that informed both JG and his agent that he could look for another club and not them trying to force to hand of the club to release him. By doing this it is the club which has decided he was not going to be given a single chance to show what his undoubted talents had to offer the team. Why? Money it's as simple as that.

Despite signing a 3 year contract on 1st July last year, a contract agreed by non other than VT himself, by the end of last year with the arrival of VT imposed austerity at the club the player is told to find another club, ALL of this without EVER being given a chance. Whatever JG is being paid it's what VT believed he was worth and if he wants the player to leave then he has to agree a severance deal with the player. That's life in the real world and not just football.

In fairness to JG he has acted with tremendous dignity throughout ALL this nonsense and his agent has found another club. This will involve a cut in his pay and he has clearly accepted that but JG is absolutely entitled to compensation for the loss of earnings he will suffer because of the actions of VT and Cardiff City Football Club. This will not involve paying him 100% of the value of his Cardiff City contract, it will not involve paying him 100% of the difference between what he would of earned here and what he will earn at Malaga.

In my opinion the problem here is the value of the contract agreed by VT and on this occasion he needs to take a long hard look at himself, then do the decent thing and reach a reasonable agreement with the player. Who has done absolutely nothing wrong.

The club let him go on loan to his home town club last season and part paid his wages. The club are now letting him leave on a free or to stay and still get paid for the remainder of his contract. The sticking point is he wants to go to his hometown club, but his hometown club don't want to pay all his wages again this season.
I am not part of the love in for Guerra. I don't know all that has happened behind the scenes, but this man is not a City legend.