Do we need to send ground forces after ISIS?

This wouldn't be happening if we didn't poke our noses in the Far East in the first place... I sincerely hope everything is going to be ok in the UK with the armed forces marches today...

No.

We missed the chance with Syria.

Now hundreds of thousands are dead in the space of 4 years.

Muslims have every right to aggreived for what has happened. The west allowed assad to drop barrel bombs in civilian areas without thought. Assad is the modern Hitler and we have allowed him to prosper.

In the grand scheme of things, these attacks are f**k all.

Assad is preferable to ISIS. He was fighting them. I would be tempted to use any weapons at my disposal against them.

Preferable for you. In case ISIS turn up on your doorstep, which isn't going to happen as we've had 3 major terrorist incidents on these isles in over a decade.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-wo ... ps-3048719

The threat is frankly non existent. Hysteria created by western media that doesn't even begin to show the heartache that is occurring in the middle east.

It is all about protecting your own interests. And the western media and people turn a blind eye to Assad as he killing other Muslims. A muslim killing a muslim is a non story in our world.

I've put this on here so many times now but:

AMMAN The death toll after nearly four years of civil war in Syria has risen to 210,060, nearly half of them civilians, but the real figure is probably much higher, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on Saturday.7 Feb 2015

We should have executed Assad. We didn't. It could have destroyed the influence of the country that wishes to harm us most, Iran.

ISIS kill more civilians than Assad. You are crazy if you think Assad is worse than ISIS.

You are very much mistaken I'm afraid.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/10000 ... -590203858

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ldren.html

This wouldn't be happening if we didn't poke our noses in the Far East in the first place... I sincerely hope everything is going to be ok in the UK with the armed forces marches today...

The Far East ?

Let's get this right: Isis moved into Syria to support the rebals AFTER the west refused to go in. Also we HELPED the Libyans AFTER Gaddafi stated that he will cause a genocide to the people of Bengazi.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant hey!!!

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

You should be some sort of political leader. Nuke them and kill thousands of innocents, and who are the bad guys then? Tit

Stopped WW2 very quickly

This isn't world war 2 and it's not 1944. And where do you propose we nuke since they are world wide?

To be fair mate you post alot of political views and you seen well versed on a few subjects but when you say something like this it's hard to take you seriously, you sound like alot of people I work with in fact.

Their strong hold is in parts of Iraq and Syria. I'm sure that all of the Japanese forces weren't in the two cities which were hit with nukes but it stopped ww2 didn't it ?

You are very much mistaken I'm afraid.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/10000 ... -590203858

We could not take out Assad due to Russia.

We also have to stop meddling in the middle east
We are seen as contrbutors and this creates massive backlash.

Muslims kill each other then team up if a non Muslim gets involved.
We've armed them, trained them, funded them, housed them, and protected them.
Our governments think they they are intelkectually superior, when in fact they've been played for years.


We need to sort out our own back yard now.

The locals created the Arab spring ffs

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

You should be some sort of political leader. Nuke them and kill thousands of innocents, and who are the bad guys then? Tit

Stopped WW2 very quickly

This isn't world war 2 and it's not 1944. And where do you propose we nuke since they are world wide?

To be fair mate you post alot of political views and you seen well versed on a few subjects but when you say something like this it's hard to take you seriously, you sound like alot of people I work with in fact.

He cannot be taken seriously. That was a very immature comment, and that is being very kind to him. His politics is right wing, survival of the fittest, blame everything on the foreigners type stuff. That is no way for a civilized society to function. You say that you work with a lot of people who sound like him....isn't it worrying that as a society we are producing so many people like this? Where is it going wrong? I still believe that mankind has the potential for great things, where good will triumph over religious and racial bigotry but we are sadly a long way off.

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

You should be some sort of political leader. Nuke them and kill thousands of innocents, and who are the bad guys then? Tit

Stopped WW2 very quickly

This isn't world war 2 and it's not 1944. And where do you propose we nuke since they are world wide?

To be fair mate you post alot of political views and you seen well versed on a few subjects but when you say something like this it's hard to take you seriously, you sound like alot of people I work with in fact.

He cannot be taken seriously. That was a very immature comment, and that is being very kind to him. His politics is right wing, survival of the fittest, blame everything on the foreigners type stuff. That is no way for a civilized society to function. You say that you work with a lot of people who sound like him....isn't it worrying that as a society we are producing so many people like this? Where is it going wrong? I still believe that mankind has the potential for great things, where good will triumph over religious and racial bigotry but we are sadly a long way off.

And yet it's the nampy pamby liberal left wingers who have got us looking closely at areas like Grangetown because they were allowed to be turned into breeding grounds for Muslim extremists

World war 2 started after we dismissed the spread of hitler, nazis and their stockpiling of money and arms.

World war 2 could have been stopped

Hitler ordered his forces to pull out of Rhineland (no guns allowed there after treaty from world war 1) if Britain and France played f**k.

They didn't so hitler saw it as a sign of weakness and the rest is history

The question is, do you stop a war that kills millions of innocents by having to act n a way that kills thousands of innocents?

World war 2 started after we dismissed the spread of hitler, nazis and their stockpiling of money and arms.

World war 2 could have been stopped

Hitler ordered his forces to pull out of Rhineland (no guns allowed there after treaty from world war 1) if Britain and France played f**k.

They didn't so hitler saw it as a sign of weakness and the rest is history

The question is, do you stop a war that kills millions of innocents by having to act n a way that kills thousands of innocents?

The longer it goes on then the more innocents will die. How many more would have died if the bombs weren't dropped in Japan ?

You are very much mistaken I'm afraid.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/10000 ... -590203858

We could not take out Assad due to Russia.

We also have to stop meddling in the middle east
We are seen as contrbutors and this creates massive backlash.

Muslims kill each other then team up if a non Muslim gets involved.
We've armed them, trained them, funded them, housed them, and protected them.
Our governments think they they are intelkectually superior, when in fact they've been played for years.


We need to sort out our own back yard now.

It is impossible for me to say though as I don't know what would have happened if we did go in.

But I struggle to think the death toll would be this high, or the situation any worse. Hindsight I suppose.

NATO is enough of a deterrent for Russia I believe.

World war 2 started after we dismissed the spread of hitler, nazis and their stockpiling of money and arms.

World war 2 could have been stopped

Hitler ordered his forces to pull out of Rhineland (no guns allowed there after treaty from world war 1) if Britain and France played f**k.

They didn't so hitler saw it as a sign of weakness and the rest is history

The question is, do you stop a war that kills millions of innocents by having to act n a way that kills thousands of innocents?

The longer it goes on then the more innocents will die. How many more would have died if the bombs weren't dropped in Japan ?

I have to agree with you (centre left here)
You have to fight fire with fire


Too many people scoff from their moral liberal high ground.
I don't want to see any innocent person murdered like a pawn in a massive chess game. White, black or Muslim.
But these are Brain washed With massive funding and support and need to be stopped.

Get it sorted here first in my opinion. It can be quite dangerous in many areas now, Muslims, feral kids, drug gangs, eastveurope mafia.

This wouldn't be happening if we didn't poke our noses in the Far East in the first place..

What a load of nonsense. This is often spouted by lefty Guardian lovers who have no concept of history and quite frankly, they should all be sent back to school, although that might lead you to spouting more dribble considering how left wing biased the education system is in the UK. Radical Islam has been a problem since around 600AD and since then around 500 million people (around about the population of the EU), or infidels as IS calls them, are estimated to be have been killed. It is complete and utter nonsense to suggest that foreign policy has led to this and its a scapegoat of an excuse used by extremists to try and pass the responsibility of their inhumane actions onto others.

Why did the Spanish Inquisition even exist in the first place? Oh wait, it was due to Islamic invasions and conquests. If it wasn't for the Spanish Inquisition a lot of Spain would have become Islamic controlled and the aims of Islamic State, in establishing Andalusia, would have been achieved a lot sooner in history.

Fundamentally it's Shia v Sunni and we are neither so should leave well alone.

Fundamentally it's Shia v Sunni and we are neither so should leave well alone.

Tough fight there for the crazy Shia

Over 90% are Sunni - many of them over last few decades now reading a crazy version of Saudi Arabian war sunni islam.

Massive problem for the Sunni is the ultra bigoted Saudi salafism version of Islam.

The Saudis spread it across the world soon after they bought our guns, planes and bombs in the 60s and 70s

This wouldn't be happening if we didn't poke our noses in the Far East in the first place..

What a load of nonsense. This is often spouted by lefty Guardian lovers who have no concept of history and quite frankly, they should all be sent back to school, although that might lead you to spouting more dribble considering how left wing biased the education system is in the UK. Radical Islam has been a problem since around 600AD and since then around 500 million people (around about the population of the EU), or infidels as IS calls them, are estimated to be have been killed. It is complete and utter nonsense to suggest that foreign policy has led to this and its a scapegoat of an excuse used by extremists to try and pass the responsibility of their inhumane actions onto others.

Why did the Spanish Inquisition even exist in the first place? Oh wait, it was due to Islamic invasions and conquests. If it wasn't for the Spanish Inquisition a lot of Spain would have become Islamic controlled and the aims of Islamic State, in establishing Andalusia, would have been achieved a lot sooner in history.

Absolutely bang on especially about the Spanish inquistion and that's why I'm convinced that the basque and Catalan republicans are doing Isis' job for them because their ideology is to get back into Southern Spain again. It's also because my family are big Spanish Royalists too

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Fundamentally it's Shia v Sunni and we are neither so should leave well alone.

Tough fight there for the crazy Shia

Over 90% are Sunni - many of them over last few decades now reading a crazy version of Saudi Arabian war sunni islam.

Massive problem for the Sunni is the ultra bigoted Saudi salafism version of Islam.

The Saudis spread it across the world soon after they bought our guns, planes and bombs in the 60s and 70s

Saudi Arabia are a massive problem. However they have bought and paid for many a Western politician.

Fundamentally it's Shia v Sunni and we are neither so should leave well alone.

Tough fight there for the crazy Shia

Over 90% are Sunni - many of them over last few decades now reading a crazy version of Saudi Arabian war sunni islam.

Massive problem for the Sunni is the ultra bigoted Saudi salafism version of Islam.

The Saudis spread it across the world soon after they bought our guns, planes and bombs in the 60s and 70s

Saudi Arabia are a massive problem. However they have bought and paid for many a Western politician.

And thats why I cant stand the Tories
Arrogant bastards who think all other countries are of inferior intelligence

I know they've all been bought over the years what ever party they are in but
Tories Been bent as f**k internationally , while labour are corrupt locally.

OIL and Guns
Buy and Sell
pounds over people


Who are the most powerful now?
The US ?- a right wing democracy where you can slag off the state, burn their flag and critiscie their people for anything and everything
The Chinese ? a corportate capitalist dictatorship, with poor human rights, lack of freedom of speech. Buying up the worlds resources.
or
Saudi Arabia ?- run by a family, mega oil rich, extreme form of dictatorship and poor human rights and centre of the worlds biggest religion.....

Using conventional forces against IS would be difficult due to the way they operate.

The best approach would be to deal with them by using Special Forces and surgical air strikes, as well as looking at their financial resources.

I would imagine that the UK/USA are aware of the IS operating bases in the middle east etc and I do believe they should be bombing the shit out of them.

Anyone showing ANY sympathy with IS etc should be locked up, if not fron the UK they should be deported w/o trial, sod THEIR human rights.

With the recent attacks in Tunisia, the UK public will be incensed, and I dare any Pro IS rallies to take place now - would be manic.

The whole of Europe needs to close all there boarders for a start to have any chance of dealing with the enemy within ,then turn the internet off between countries ,because that is how there ideology is being spread,look at the IRA before internet ,they were only a stone throw away and they were so hard to track down and stop ,what chance you got when you do not even know who is in your own country and at the click of a button you can contact an IS member in Syria or else where ,then stop the fookers coming back from these places when they leave the UK to go out there and fight ,I find it so mad we let them come back ,then bring back the death penalty for crimes against the UK would stop a lot of people even thinking of doing anything ,you can not fight a war on foreign land when your scared of what might happen in you own country ,the media/internet/mobile phone is the main tool they use think about it .

The whole of Europe needs to close all there boarders for a start to have any chance of dealing with the enemy within ,then turn the internet off between countries ,because that is how there ideology is being spread,look at the IRA before internet ,they were only a stone throw away and they were so hard to track down and stop ,what chance you got when you do not even know who is in your own country and at the click of a button you can contact an IS member in Syria or else where ,then stop the fookers coming back from these places when they leave the UK to go out there and fight ,I find it so mad we let them come back ,then bring back the death penalty for crimes against the UK would stop a lot of people even thinking of doing anything ,you can not fight a war on foreign land when your scared of what might happen in you own country ,the media/internet/mobile phone is the main tool they use think about it .

We are too soft, or should I say the politician s are.

Capital Punishment should be re-introdced.

All the do gooders will say no - thats barbaric, well what about this scenario, guys goes to kill your loved one, but you stop him by killing him = self defence, lawful killing.

Person kills your loved one and is arrested/convicted = prison - bollocks, in THESE circumstances they should pay with their life. No, we put them in to a cosy cell, feed and clothe them until they get parole - makes my blood boil.

If the goverment is not prepared to defend us, and I mean law abiding people of all races etc, it will cause ongoing resentment whereby "innocent"members of certain communities may be caught in a backlash. Politicans = spineless humans

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

Dick head

I tell you what, why don't you go to the front line with your feather duster and tickle them until they surrender

f*cking nuke the Isis held areas. f**k it if it means other casualties too then so be it they should have fought them off instead of allowing them to take over their land

That would mean nuking ourselves,Some parts of Britain are gone.

So where in Britian do Isis control then ?

Not control but have very deep routes in Cardiff for a start. 5 cardiff lads went out this week to fight for isis.

How do you know that 5 Cardiff lads went out there this week??? Think it would make some form of news or were their families happy for them to go for some bizarre reason? It won't be long before warnings will be sent to any civilians to leave Isis held areas so the yanks can obliterate the area and everyone in it. It's def going to come to a very bad ending