That's where Slade will never match Ole

Which is a good thing because Ole brought in players who didn't want to play for Cardiff and just came for either to play under Ole or for a big wage while Slade will bring players who want to play and work hard for Cardiff.

Rubbish

Either way you have got to admit Ole was a terrible manager.

Nope. I know how good he is, you don't. Didn't get it right at Cardiff, that we can agree on

Or he is not right managing in Britain.

That is a large generalisation from your experience from a club in turmoil. He worked closely with Ferguson for years grooming him for a life at managing. But you are entitled to your opinion of course

Alright you seem to be more of an expert on Ole than me so please tell me this why did he tinker the team and didn't start players who had a good previous game and didn't use the half of his signings????

Same reason pep Guardiola tinker his team. No one can predict what is coming, and no one can make a educated move against it. It takes some time to gel, and involve more players than the managers who stick to one or two tactics. ole told you why he used the players like he did. Just like Ferguson he wanted players to challenge eachother and rotate from both tactics and players form. Both progressing the players and the team. It's a progressive managing style. Why he chose like he did I can't say. Don't agree with it short term, and especially in a premier religation scrap. As a long term philosophy I love it! For the club investing in it, and leaving it after 7 games in the championship show how far off the club is at the moment. Big problem throughout the championship, and not only Cardiff. The teams with long term plans are the one to succeed . But to catagorically say what you spout as often as you can against Ole, for me, shows little knowledge about who or what he is..

And another thing the players were quite unfit at the start of the season and they didn't do the basics properly on the pitch like closing down and keeping a defensive shape and Bellamy himself said that Ole's training methods were shit and the worst of all he was on 4 mill a year he just had to go.

Read into it what you like. Slade said they where unfit down to running stats in matches. Not their measured fitness. I know both Man Utd reserves and Molde started slow. Every year under Ole, but nobody could match their fitness in the second stage of the league. Not even close. I don't listen much to Bellamy, and I've only read what somebody said they heard from somebody who was there. But he might be right, and he might be wrong..

Which is a good thing because Ole brought in players who didn't want to play for Cardiff and just came for either to play under Ole or for a big wage while Slade will bring players who want to play and work hard for Cardiff.

Rubbish

Either way you have got to admit Ole was a terrible manager.

Nope. I know how good he is, you don't. Didn't get it right at Cardiff, that we can agree on

Or he is not right managing in Britain.

That is a large generalisation from your experience from a club in turmoil. He worked closely with Ferguson for years grooming him for a life at managing. But you are entitled to your opinion of course

Alright you seem to be more of an expert on Ole than me so please tell me this why did he tinker the team and didn't start players who had a good previous game and didn't use the half of his signings????

Same reason pep Guardiola tinker his team. No one can predict what is coming, and no one can make a educated move against it. It takes some time to gel, and involve more players than the managers who stick to one or two tactics. ole told you why he used the players like he did. Just like Ferguson he wanted players to challenge eachother and rotate from both tactics and players form. Both progressing the players and the team. It's a progressive managing style. Why he chose like he did I can't say. Don't agree with it short term, and especially in a premier religation scrap. As a long term philosophy I love it! For the club investing in it, and leaving it after 7 games in the championship show how far off the club is at the moment. Big problem throughout the championship, and not only Cardiff. The teams with long term plans are the one to succeed . But to catagorically say what you spout as often as you can against Ole, for me, shows little knowledge about who or what he is..

And another thing the players were quite unfit at the start of the season and they didn't do the basics properly on the pitch like closing down and keeping a defensive shape and Bellamy himself said that Ole's training methods were shit and the worst of all he was on 4 mill a year he just had to go.

Read into it what you like. Slade said they where unfit down to running stats in matches. Not their measured fitness. I know both Man Utd reserves and Molde started slow. Every year under Ole, but nobody could match their fitness in the second stage of the league. Not even close. I don't listen much to Bellamy, and I've only read what somebody said they heard from somebody who was there. But he might be right, and he might be wrong..

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Exactly! oh by the way where would we have finished if we kept Ole? id say relegated or just about survived.

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Exactly! oh by the way where would we have finished if we kept Ole? id say relegated or just about survived.

difficoult to say isn't it Rhydo? 7 games dosent make a season. My guess is we would be arround the play offs.. We only know where we finished with Slade, and how many points Slade managed against the teams Oles team played. Funny though, Slade didn't play his signings much either..

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Exactly! oh by the way where would we have finished if we kept Ole? id say relegated or just about survived.

difficoult to say isn't it Rhydo? 7 games dosent make a season. My guess is we would be arround the play offs.. We only know where we finished with Slade, and how many points Slade managed against the teams Oles team played. Funny though, Slade didn't play his signings much either..

Slade has played most of his signings Peltier Malone Revell and Doyle are regulars unlike Ole's Eikrem Berget Burgstaller Guerra and got rid of Hudson and signed a really unfit midfielder in Dikacoi and played Le Fondre on the wing ffs and comparing Ole to Guardiola is just crazy.

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Exactly! oh by the way where would we have finished if we kept Ole? id say relegated or just about survived.

difficoult to say isn't it Rhydo? 7 games dosent make a season. My guess is we would be arround the play offs.. We only know where we finished with Slade, and how many points Slade managed against the teams Oles team played. Funny though, Slade didn't play his signings much either..

Slade has played most of his signings Peltier Malone Revell and Doyle are regulars unlike Ole's Eikrem Berget Burgstaller Guerra and got rid of Hudson and signed a really unfit midfielder in Dikacoi and played Le Fondre on the wing ffs and comparing Ole to Guardiola is just crazy.

Like I said.. Dikgacoi is a puzzle and out of carachter.. But it's not easy to try and have respectable debate with someone who dosent want to relate to facts.. There are sites if you want to look at player stats, positions, games played and so on if you are interested.. But I guess you are not. I could have the same philosophy as Guardiola with my kids team. Still wouldn't be a comparisons would it Einstein? it would still only be a football philosophy or ways to approach the game

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Exactly! oh by the way where would we have finished if we kept Ole? id say relegated or just about survived.

difficoult to say isn't it Rhydo? 7 games dosent make a season. My guess is we would be arround the play offs.. We only know where we finished with Slade, and how many points Slade managed against the teams Oles team played. Funny though, Slade didn't play his signings much either..

Slade has played most of his signings Peltier Malone Revell and Doyle are regulars unlike Ole's Eikrem Berget Burgstaller Guerra and got rid of Hudson and signed a really unfit midfielder in Dikacoi and played Le Fondre on the wing ffs and comparing Ole to Guardiola is just crazy.

Like I said.. Dikgacoi is a puzzle and out of carachter.. But it's not easy to try and have respectable debate with someone who dosent want to relate to facts.. There are sites if you want to look at player stats, positions, games played and so on if you are interested.. But I guess you are not. I could have the same philosophy as Guardiola with my kids team. Still wouldn't be a comparisons would it Einstein? it would still only be a football philosophy or ways to approach the game

I have been on those sites they are good to be fair they even tell you what they are valued as well but another issue with Ole having to many players was bleeding the club dry so Ole tying to impose Guardiola's style as you say was never going to work here.

Biggest factor for 90 % of players at all clubs is wages.
Ole went nuts on this and we are still paying for it.

Once Slade clears out the ones who don't want to fight for us then he'll be able to compete with most Championship clubs for signings

Double rubbish! Ole never had anything to do with anything regarding wages. That is all down to the men managing the budgets and contacts. Ole worked within his budget, and Slade will work within his budget. Get real!

Solskjaer had a massive budget, nearly double that of what Slade will get, but signed players with no heart and who were only interested in the money.
Despite all the funds available he took us down and left us in 17 th place with an overpaid squad which will take ages to sort out.

On your first quote. Rubbish! Absolutely rubbish! He signed players who wanted to succeed and develop. I will join you in the question about players like Dikgacoi and Guerra. I absolutely love Guerra. But both of them are very out of character signings from Ole. Maybe one day Tan will pay out his contract and we will know who signed who. If you blame budgets and wages on Ole you are completely ignorant. on the second quote I partially agree with you. He failed massively keeping city up. Maybe he should have been sacked after that. But to once again change the philosophy of the club and abandon it it seven games in is re dicoulous. Mind you Slade didn't get a point against those top teams It will take time to correct becouse the club once again decided to change philosophy at the wrong time. Not becouse of Ole who sold players for twice his spending. Get real!

Try to deal with the point instead of using shit phrases like 'rubbish' ' get real ' etc..,
You sound like ole's brother trying to defend all his mistakes.
He signed loads of players who couldn't hack it here and either didn't have the mental strength, guts or physical ability to do what they were bought for.
Cala, Guerra, Daehli, Macheda, Le Fondre, Bergstaller, Digkachoi, Berget, Eikrem,
None of these started regularly for him but cost us a fortune in wages.
He might be a great manager in your part of the world, but he royally cocked us up.
There's hardly a fan here who doesn't think likewise.

Biggest factor for 90 % of players at all clubs is wages.
Ole went nuts on this and we are still paying for it.

Once Slade clears out the ones who don't want to fight for us then he'll be able to compete with most Championship clubs for signings

Double rubbish! Ole never had anything to do with anything regarding wages. That is all down to the men managing the budgets and contacts. Ole worked within his budget, and Slade will work within his budget. Get real!

Solskjaer had a massive budget, nearly double that of what Slade will get, but signed players with no heart and who were only interested in the money.
Despite all the funds available he took us down and left us in 17 th place with an overpaid squad which will take ages to sort out.

On your first quote. Rubbish! Absolutely rubbish! He signed players who wanted to succeed and develop. I will join you in the question about players like Dikgacoi and Guerra. I absolutely love Guerra. But both of them are very out of character signings from Ole. Maybe one day Tan will pay out his contract and we will know who signed who. If you blame budgets and wages on Ole you are completely ignorant. on the second quote I partially agree with you. He failed massively keeping city up. Maybe he should have been sacked after that. But to once again change the philosophy of the club and abandon it it seven games in is re dicoulous. Mind you Slade didn't get a point against those top teams It will take time to correct becouse the club once again decided to change philosophy at the wrong time. Not becouse of Ole who sold players for twice his spending. Get real!

Try to deal with the point instead of using shit phrases like 'rubbish' ' get real ' etc..,
You sound like ole's brother trying to defend all his mistakes.
He signed loads of players who couldn't hack it here and either didn't have the mental strength, guts or physical ability to do what they were bought for.
Cala, Guerra, Daehli, Macheda, Le Fondre, Bergstaller, Digkachoi, Berget, Eikrem,
None of these started regularly for him but cost us a fortune in wages.
He might be a great manager in your part of the world, but he royally cocked us up.
There's hardly a fan here who doesn't think likewise.

I am dealing with the point. And the point is that you are talking rubbish! You have no reason to say players only came here for money and them self. That is rubbish. I think you will find most players said they came here beleiving in the club, it's ambitions and beleiving in the project. I know you will also find it in their history that this is their character. At least what is on record on their history. I agree with you on a few points. But you are making a lot of un educated guesses, including players wages. Couldn't hack it here?? What do you think this is? Real Madrid? Again, look at most players history... It might have been wrong, it might have been right. But if anyone should know where the budget comes from, who signed contracts and negotiate price, it should be from what I read you. The club cocked up, not one man. What Ole thoughts was about team dynamics and long term thought nobody knows. That's is the fact. Not me defending him, or anybody blaming him. People seem to forget Slade has one player less. Not ten. Reduced the wage bill by 12 million? Please, don't insult my intelligence..

Which is a good thing because Ole brought in players who didn't want to play for Cardiff and just came for either to play under Ole or for a big wage while Slade will bring players who want to play and work hard for Cardiff.

Agree.

Which is a good thing because Ole brought in players who didn't want to play for Cardiff and just came for either to play under Ole or for a big wage while Slade will bring players who want to play and work hard for Cardiff.

Rubbish

Either way you have got to admit Ole was a terrible manager.

Nope. I know how good he is, you don't. Didn't get it right at Cardiff, that we can agree on

Or he is not right managing in Britain.

That is a large generalisation from your experience from a club in turmoil. He worked closely with Ferguson for years grooming him for a life at managing. But you are entitled to your opinion of course

Alright you seem to be more of an expert on Ole than me so please tell me this why did he tinker the team and didn't start players who had a good previous game and didn't use the half of his signings????

Swapping players to alter tactics is commonplace in modern football. OK it didn't work for Ole in the short term but then again that style is not a short term policy. Ole was attempting a complete turnaround in everything at Cardiff City. He didn't get the sack but walked when he realised that Tan didn't have the patience to wait for the changes to be implemented.

You keep harping on about Ole tinkering but you can bet you were one of the ones jumping on the bandwagon to complain about Slade when we were losing most games because he refused to change any personal regardless of results or performance.

Fans who claim he's still sorting out Ole's mess want their heads seeing to. You could argue that Ole was sorting out Malky's mess and wasn't given much time to do that. Slades had far, far longer and he is as far away from genuine success as Ole ever was.

Which is a good thing because Ole brought in players who didn't want to play for Cardiff and just came for either to play under Ole or for a big wage while Slade will bring players who want to play and work hard for Cardiff.

Rubbish

Either way you have got to admit Ole was a terrible manager.

Nope. I know how good he is, you don't. Didn't get it right at Cardiff, that we can agree on

Or he is not right managing in Britain.

That is a large generalisation from your experience from a club in turmoil. He worked closely with Ferguson for years grooming him for a life at managing. But you are entitled to your opinion of course

Alright you seem to be more of an expert on Ole than me so please tell me this why did he tinker the team and didn't start players who had a good previous game and didn't use the half of his signings????

Swapping players to alter tactics is commonplace in modern football. OK it didn't work for Ole in the short term but then again that style is not a short term policy. Ole was attempting a complete turnaround in everything at Cardiff City. He didn't get the sack but walked when he realised that Tan didn't have the patience to wait for the changes to be implemented.

You keep harping on about Ole tinkering but you can bet you were one of the ones jumping on the bandwagon to complain about Slade when we were losing most games because he refused to change any personal regardless of results or performance.

Fans who claim he's still sorting out Ole's mess want their heads seeing to. You could argue that Ole was sorting out Malky's mess and wasn't given much time to do that. Slades had far, far longer and he is as far away from genuine success as Ole ever was.

Ole sorting out Malky's mess? Taking us from above the relegation zone to resoundingly bottom without a fight? Then blowing millions to take us down to 17th in the Championship before getting sacked, before Slade comes in having to clear up Ole's mess, shaving 12 million off the wage bill, steadying the ship and takes us to finishing 11th? Classic Scandinavian!

Which is a good thing because Ole brought in players who didn't want to play for Cardiff and just came for either to play under Ole or for a big wage while Slade will bring players who want to play and work hard for Cardiff.

Rubbish

Either way you have got to admit Ole was a terrible manager.

Nope. I know how good he is, you don't. Didn't get it right at Cardiff, that we can agree on

Or he is not right managing in Britain.

That is a large generalisation from your experience from a club in turmoil. He worked closely with Ferguson for years grooming him for a life at managing. But you are entitled to your opinion of course

Alright you seem to be more of an expert on Ole than me so please tell me this why did he tinker the team and didn't start players who had a good previous game and didn't use the half of his signings????

Swapping players to alter tactics is commonplace in modern football. OK it didn't work for Ole in the short term but then again that style is not a short term policy. Ole was attempting a complete turnaround in everything at Cardiff City. He didn't get the sack but walked when he realised that Tan didn't have the patience to wait for the changes to be implemented.

You keep harping on about Ole tinkering but you can bet you were one of the ones jumping on the bandwagon to complain about Slade when we were losing most games because he refused to change any personal regardless of results or performance.

Fans who claim he's still sorting out Ole's mess want their heads seeing to. You could argue that Ole was sorting out Malky's mess and wasn't given much time to do that. Slades had far, far longer and he is as far away from genuine success as Ole ever was.

Yeah alright mate.

Which is a good thing because Ole brought in players who didn't want to play for Cardiff and just came for either to play under Ole or for a big wage while Slade will bring players who want to play and work hard for Cardiff.

Rubbish

Either way you have got to admit Ole was a terrible manager.

Nope. I know how good he is, you don't. Didn't get it right at Cardiff, that we can agree on

Or he is not right managing in Britain.

That is a large generalisation from your experience from a club in turmoil. He worked closely with Ferguson for years grooming him for a life at managing. But you are entitled to your opinion of course

Alright you seem to be more of an expert on Ole than me so please tell me this why did he tinker the team and didn't start players who had a good previous game and didn't use the half of his signings????

Swapping players to alter tactics is commonplace in modern football. OK it didn't work for Ole in the short term but then again that style is not a short term policy. Ole was attempting a complete turnaround in everything at Cardiff City. He didn't get the sack but walked when he realised that Tan didn't have the patience to wait for the changes to be implemented.

You keep harping on about Ole tinkering but you can bet you were one of the ones jumping on the bandwagon to complain about Slade when we were losing most games because he refused to change any personal regardless of results or performance.

Fans who claim he's still sorting out Ole's mess want their heads seeing to. You could argue that Ole was sorting out Malky's mess and wasn't given much time to do that. Slades had far, far longer and he is as far away from genuine success as Ole ever was.

Ole sorting out Malky's mess? Taking us from above the relegation zone to resoundingly bottom without a fight? Then blowing millions to take us down to 17th in the Championship before getting sacked, before Slade comes in having to clear up Ole's mess, shaving 12 million off the wage bill, steadying the ship and takes us to finishing 11th? Classic Scandinavian!

Lol I'm more Welsh than you Tonteg Blue. Just that I haven't got my head up my arse!

We were doomed before Ole took over, thanks to Malky leaving the club in utter shambles after playing everyone of us for mugs.

Take a close look at Ole's lead up to his leaving the club. In fact why not post his results on here for everyone to see.

It's all relative and many if not most were calling for Slades head with 10 games to go and still are.

Ole was as good a manager for us as a f*cking donkey would have been. Only a norweigian or man utd fan could possibly say he weren't.

Ole was a complete and utter disaster for us, it will take years to get back in track, can't see Slade being capable of doing it, but time will tell ????