" HYMNS AND ARIAS "

It was regularly sung by Cardiff fans back in the day.

Hate it and don't think Welsh football crowds need to sing so called rugby songs.

So what did everyone think of Hymns and Arias ringing around Cardiff City Stadium tonight?

We have been slating Swansea in recent years for adopting this "rugby song", but I don't think there's much our fans can say after tonight considering it was sang at one of the most historic nights in Welsh football history.

It may be an unpopular opinion amongst our lot but I thought it sounded brilliant along with the Welsh national anthem and I for one wouldn't complain if we started singing it at Cardiff games.

Thoughts?

Every time it was sung it was superb and to sing it twice during the game that was something and felt more than special

Annis.
Are you talking about the National Anthem or Hymns and Arias ?

It was regularly sung by Cardiff fans back in the day.

^^^This. Long before the jacks used it, In the mid seventies it was sang at home and away games by Cardiff fans. It was belted out the night we won promotion at Bury in 76.

It's not a jack song. It never has been. It's a song about Wales beating England at twikingham. Got fukall to do with Swansea....its a national song, when it's sung at the millstad for the rugby, its sounds out of this world, real patriotic, and for me, tonight it sounded like that. Don't ever confuse hyms and arias as a jack song. It's nothing of the sort

I completely agree. It's a Welsh song. Just because the Jacks used it first it doesn't mean that we can't. We use the songs and tunes of other clubs so why not this one? It's the sort of song that can fill the stadium with sound because everyone knows it. We should sing it with pride and not the totally embarrassing version that we sing. I often wonder what sort of moron sings our version. Who's brave enough to own up?

Annis.
Are you talking about the National Anthem or Hymns and Arias ?

He obviously thinks that the Welsh national anthem is called hymns and arias

It's not a jack song. It never has been. It's a song about Wales beating England at twikingham. Got fukall to do with Swansea....its a national song, when it's sung at the millstad for the rugby, its sounds out of this world, real patriotic, and for me, tonight it sounded like that. Don't ever confuse hyms and arias as a jack song. It's nothing of the sort

I completely agree. It's a Welsh song. Just because the Jacks used it first it doesn't mean that we can't. We use the songs and tunes of other clubs so why not this one? It's the sort of song that can fill the stadium with sound because everyone knows it. We should sing it with pride and not the totally embarrassing version that we sing. I often wonder what sort of moron sings our version. Who's brave enough to own up?

The jacks didn't use it first. Read the above, we were singing it at city matches 40 years ago.

Living in London in the 1970,s 80,s if you were Welsh Max Boyce usually cropped up in conversation, what people see in this warbling half wit baffles me.He is an acute embarrassment to us, as for this feeble "Land of my fathers" well words are insufficient to describe my contempt.We can have an atmosphere without this dirge.

We were the first club in Wales to start singing it. It used to be sung on the terraces decades ago. Having said that, I dont think it should be adopted now because its a rugby song. What happened to the creativity football fans once had? Make our own songs to be remembered by or use other songs associated with Wales and make them unique to Welsh national football.

Living in London in the 1970,s 80,s if you were Welsh Max Boyce usually cropped up in conversation, what people see in this warbling half wit baffles me.He is an acute embarrassment to us, as for this feeble "Land of my fathers" well words are insufficient to describe my contempt.We can have an atmosphere without this dirge.

I bloody hate Max Boyce. Best kept for the rugby snd Jacks I think!

I see no problem in singing this again at City games... It's not a Jack song, as above , we used to sing it regularly anyway! Along with bread of heaven ( cwm Rhondda....cardiffcity territory) and even sosban fach!!

Cymru am Byth!!!

Personally didn't sing it, it's an egg song and also adopted by the jacks.

Not got a problem with it being sung, it was a Wales game and the fans who payed their money are entitled to sing it. Personally I couldn't bring myself to sing it and didn't want to. Same way I support and get behind the Jack players, but don't give their names a huge cheer during the team announcements.

Having said that I have no voice left today from singing everything else and have nothing to moan about after one of my greatest nights at a game in 23 years of watching Cardiff and Wales.

I hated it. Just reminded me of jack bastards last thing i wanted to hear and i wont sing that jack cunty song at any wales games in the future either.

It's not a Jack song fella, they just adopted it, it's a "Welsh Rugby Song" and personally I don't have a problem with it and for the record, I don't join in with the version we sing about the Jacks but that's me

Its a rugby song.

Good old Barry John.

its on live at treorchy which was recorded in the 70s,treorchy was a cardiff stronghold so probably sung at ninian park regularly back then.it become popular at the liberty stadium when it opened max boyce appeared and sung a revised edition and been adopted as a anthem its a rugby song though.

Couldnt bring myself to sing any jack song personally. Shocked how cardiff fans on here love it so much

I'm shocked by how many Cardiff fans HATE it personally

I don't hate it, personally.

Like I say, it was good tonight.

I just think that at club level, it's Swansea's.

Keep it for Wales matches, as it's not really stealing it off them as when it comes to internationals we are all together as one. I always put club rivalries to one side when it comes to Wales.

That's a fair point of view, but I think the only reason Swansea sing it in the first place is to express their Welsh identity. I don't think there's anything wrong with us singing it, I see more as a song for Wales more than a song for Swansea.

Me too

Men of Harlech was the main song through out the night

But because nobody sings the words it sounds a bit messy. Great song though if the words are sung.

It's not a jack song. It never has been. It's a song about Wales beating England at twikingham. Got fukall to do with Swansea....its a national song, when it's sung at the millstad for the rugby, its sounds out of this world, real patriotic, and for me, tonight it sounded like that. Don't ever confuse hyms and arias as a jack song. It's nothing of the sort

I completely agree. It's a Welsh song. Just because the Jacks used it first it doesn't mean that we can't. We use the songs and tunes of other clubs so why not this one? It's the sort of song that can fill the stadium with sound because everyone knows it. We should sing it with pride and not the totally embarrassing version that we sing. I often wonder what sort of moron sings our version. Who's brave enough to own up?

The jacks didn't use it first. Read the above, we were singing it at city matches 40 years ago.

Ok ok. Keep your shirt on. Perhaps I should have added "in the modern age" though clearly the vast majority of present day Cardiff fans wouldn't have been supporting us in the mid 70s. Allowing for this my points still stand.

Men of Harlech was the main song through out the night

Pity nobody knows the bloody words! At least the Anthem and Hymns and Aris have meaningful lyrics.

For reference:

Men of Harlech, march to glory, Victory is hov'ring o'er ye,
Bright eyed freedom stands before ye, Hear ye not her call?
At your sloth she seems to wonder, Rend the sluggish bonds asunder,
Let the war cry's deaf'ning thunder, Ev'ry foe appal.

Echoes loudly waking, Hill and valley shaking;
'Till the sound spreads wide around, The Saxon's courage breaking;
Your foes on ev'ry side assailing, Forward press with heart unfailing,
Till invaders learn with quailing, Cambria ne'er can yield.

Thou who noble Cambria wrongest, Know that freedom's cause is strongest
Freedom's courage lasts the longest, Ending but with death!
Freedom countless hosts can scatter, Freedom stoutest mail can shatter,
Freedom thickest walls can batter, Fate is in her breath.

See they now are flying! Dead are heaped with dying!
Over might has triumphed right, Our land to foes denying;
Upon their soil we never sought them, Love of conquest hither brought them,
But this lesson we have taught them, Cambria ne'er can yield.

There are loads of different versions of men of harlech, we'd never agree which version to use!!
it was hummed very well last night in the canton stand and went on for a while as well.
At cardiff games these days, we're lucky if it goes around once!

There are loads of different versions of men of harlech, we'd never agree which version to use!!
it was hummed very well last night in the canton stand and went on for a while as well.
At cardiff games these days, we're lucky if it goes around once!

The version I posted is the definitive one. The version written for the film Zulu has references to spears etc. not really politically correct. Lol.

Men of Harlech was the main song through out the night

Pity nobody knows the bloody words! At least the Anthem and Hymns and Aris have meaningful lyrics.

We've tried and tried with Men of Harlech over the last two decades and it just hasn't taken off, it's a shame but I don't think there's much else we can do, having the words on the bloody screen EVERY home match should be enough but apparently not

It's not a jack song. It never has been. It's a song about Wales beating England at twikingham. Got fukall to do with Swansea....its a national song, when it's sung at the millstad for the rugby, its sounds out of this world, real patriotic, and for me, tonight it sounded like that. Don't ever confuse hyms and arias as a jack song. It's nothing of the sort

I completely agree. It's a Welsh song. Just because the Jacks used it first it doesn't mean that we can't. We use the songs and tunes of other clubs so why not this one? It's the sort of song that can fill the stadium with sound because everyone knows it. We should sing it with pride and not the totally embarrassing version that we sing. I often wonder what sort of moron sings our version. Who's brave enough to own up?

I must admit I did sing the "you Jack bastards" version of the song against the Jacks (it was a great response to be fair, they went totally silent ) but I do cringe when our fans randomly start singing it in other games.

The fans aren't wrong, it is in truth a song that was originally made for rugby, but the chorus has become iconic for our country and I felt a lot of pride last night when it was sung in full volume around our stadium. As for those who think it's a "Jack song", singing a song first doesn't make it their own, it's a song for Wales and I would love to hear it at Cardiff games personally.

"And we were singing,
Hymns and Arias,
'Land of My Fathers',
Ar hyd y nos"

I hated it. Just reminded me of jack bastards last thing i wanted to hear and i wont sing that jack cunty song at any wales games in the future either.

It's not a Jack song fella, they just adopted it, it's a "Welsh Rugby Song" and personally I don't have a problem with it and for the record, I don't join in with the version we sing about the Jacks but that's me

Its a big swansea song now, and for that reason i dont like it and wont sing it.
If people like it i respect their opinion but i just think its better to come up with new songs for wales fans to sing that aint currently on the welsh clubs football terraces

It was regularly sung by Cardiff fans back in the day.

^^^This. Long before the jacks used it, In the mid seventies it was sang at home and away games by Cardiff fans. It was belted out the night we won promotion at Bury in 76.

It was sung as late as the 80s, during the Frank Burrows era. Same period as the 'Arfur f***ing Europe' song.

So what did everyone think of Hymns and Arias ringing around Cardiff City Stadium tonight?

We have been slating Swansea in recent years for adopting this "rugby song", but I don't think there's much our fans can say after tonight considering it was sang at one of the most historic nights in Welsh football history.

It may be an unpopular opinion amongst our lot but I thought it sounded brilliant along with the Welsh national anthem and I for one wouldn't complain if we started singing it at Cardiff games.

Thoughts?

No problems with it whatsoever. Great rousing Welsh song...easy words, everyone knows it, we can all identify with it, it reinforces our Welshness and our Welsh identity. The Jacks have been quicker than us to realise all these things and have adopted it. Our response is a pathetic, foul, abusive and embarrassing version of it sang back to them. Totally f*cking embarrassing. Too many rugby haters support our Club with their petty little prejudices. We really should get our heads down from our arses. Great atmosphere tonight. Disproves the theory about crap acoustics at CCS doesn't it?

Prob the best post on this board of late. It's a welsh song and it sounded fantastic. Our version is an embarrassment as you state and all this anti rugby is Bollucks

I hated it. Just reminded me of jack bastards last thing i wanted to hear and i wont sing that jack cunty song at any wales games in the future either.

Oh dear..... What an attitude let me guess under 21?