THREE YEARS AGO THIS WEEKEND VINCENT TAN MADE THESE PLEDGES

Who says the fan base is divided? Divided over what? Pure drama.

I tend to agree.
I had more arguments over Dave Jones lol.

He has delivered on some but this was for red. We shouldn't expect anything further now back to blue and that's fine for me.

Exactly. Debates over owners, managers, formations and players are part of what football is about. A difference of opinion doesn't divide the fans.

Also agree, fine for me too.

I also agree with the above comments. The rebrand is now dispensed to history and those who continue to drag it up are nothing more than serial shit stirrers.

It is these fans and not Tan who are the biggest danger to our football club. 99% of the fan base want to see our club thrive and go forward with the aim of establishing ourselves as a top ten Premiership club. Unfortunately due to bitterness and spite there are those who would prefer to see us struggle so they can blame Tan for all the ills that we encounter.

I'm so glad that there are a number of posters who have the strength of personality to recognise this and point out how absurd this attitude is. Of course there will always be the sheep who will follow my leader no matter what the true circumstances are, but fortunately there numbers are not growing

I like you. You post well.

I second that.Its a sad irony that some people are never happy unless they've got someone to hate.

Who says the fan base is divided? Divided over what? Pure drama.

I tend to agree.
I had more arguments over Dave Jones lol.

He has delivered on some but this was for red. We shouldn't expect anything further now back to blue and that's fine for me.

Exactly. Debates over owners, managers, formations and players are part of what football is about. A difference of opinion doesn't divide the fans.

Also agree, fine for me too.

I also agree with the above comments. The rebrand is now dispensed to history and those who continue to drag it up are nothing more than serial shit stirrers.

It is these fans and not Tan who are the biggest danger to our football club. 99% of the fan base want to see our club thrive and go forward with the aim of establishing ourselves as a top ten Premiership club. Unfortunately due to bitterness and spite there are those who would prefer to see us struggle so they can blame Tan for all the ills that we encounter.

I'm so glad that there are a number of posters who have the strength of personality to recognise this and point out how absurd this attitude is. Of course there will always be the sheep who will follow my leader no matter what the true circumstances are, but fortunately there numbers are not growing

I like you. You post well.

I second that.Its a sad irony that some people are never happy unless they've got someone to hate.

I agree with this too. At this rate Cardiff City supporters may outnumber Tan haters.

When he invested we were days from liquidation with debts to numerous companies and most importantly HMRC. We are nowhere near that at this point in time.

You really are naive Neil. You and a few others.

When Tan appeared on the scene we were pushing for premiership. An attractive offer we were. Hence why the likes of Tan came on the scene. He came to make money out of us. Unfortunately for us he has screwed it up. He is now trying to get back as much as he can. When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere.

The bottom line is Tan has screwed up and will sell us to such a status being who will take us back to the tax man knocking again because we will not be an attraction anymore. Guys like you will one day wake up.

So as well as someone who changes the past you can also predict the future?

Ian you are wasted in your current job.

The simple FACT is that we were knocking and knocking on the door of the Premiership, didn't make it and there was little prospect of getting there. We had run out of money pushing for it and had we somehow survived liquidation by HMRC we definitely would have received a ten point penalty by going into administration. We had no players to sell as those of value had all been sold. However Tan took us over and two years later we were top of the Premiership. FACT. Anything else is conjecture.

Top of the premiership....I missed that.

Actually we had the likes of Bothroyd, Chopra, Burke.

Regarding the future well do you think we will be challenging like we were before Tan came in?

When he invested we were days from liquidation with debts to numerous companies and most importantly HMRC. We are nowhere near that at this point in time.

You really are naive Neil. You and a few others.

When Tan appeared on the scene we were pushing for premiership. An attractive offer we were. Hence why the likes of Tan came on the scene. He came to make money out of us. Unfortunately for us he has screwed it up. He is now trying to get back as much as he can. When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere.

The bottom line is Tan has screwed up and will sell us to such a status being who will take us back to the tax man knocking again because we will not be an attraction anymore. Guys like you will one day wake up.

Quote: "When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere"

At the start of your message you said we were pushing for the Premier League when Tan came in, then you say we were going nowhere and the Tax Man would come (Quote) "Knocking again"

I'm no 'fan' of Tan, but I know with certainty that had(as it did) the Premier League Play-Off not go our way that day, we would not have 'pushed' anything but daisies the following season had Tan not come in when he did!

Just pointing out, because I don't like the term "(quote) "Guys like you" are automatically 'naive' because they see things a little differently and (maybe) a little less personality based

When he invested we were days from liquidation with debts to numerous companies and most importantly HMRC. We are nowhere near that at this point in time.

You really are naive Neil. You and a few others.

When Tan appeared on the scene we were pushing for premiership. An attractive offer we were. Hence why the likes of Tan came on the scene. He came to make money out of us. Unfortunately for us he has screwed it up. He is now trying to get back as much as he can. When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere.

The bottom line is Tan has screwed up and will sell us to such a status being who will take us back to the tax man knocking again because we will not be an attraction anymore. Guys like you will one day wake up.

So as well as someone who changes the past you can also predict the future?

Ian you are wasted in your current job.

The simple FACT is that we were knocking and knocking on the door of the Premiership, didn't make it and there was little prospect of getting there. We had run out of money pushing for it and had we somehow survived liquidation by HMRC we definitely would have received a ten point penalty by going into administration. We had no players to sell as those of value had all been sold. However Tan took us over and two years later we were top of the Premiership. FACT. Anything else is conjecture.

Bloody Hell Neil, Are you sure you follow Cardiff City? Top of the Premier League under Tan I know you actually dont go and watch City in person,but to come out with that,you must be on about another club

The Facts are

City now have less fans following them than before Tan came.

City are back in the Championship.

The Debt is well over £100million

Tan promised Debt to Equity,and this has not happened.

And many thousands of City fans are fed up/hurt and wont forgive Tan for the Circus weve just been involved in over the last few years.

Plus Tan has shown, he has no idea on how to run a club,in 4 years 6 CEO'S & 4 Managers,that says it all.


And Yes I wont forgive him and thats how I feel,which is my right as a Cardiff City fan who follows them home and away

When he invested we were days from liquidation with debts to numerous companies and most importantly HMRC. We are nowhere near that at this point in time.

You really are naive Neil. You and a few others.

When Tan appeared on the scene we were pushing for premiership. An attractive offer we were. Hence why the likes of Tan came on the scene. He came to make money out of us. Unfortunately for us he has screwed it up. He is now trying to get back as much as he can. When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere.

The bottom line is Tan has screwed up and will sell us to such a status being who will take us back to the tax man knocking again because we will not be an attraction anymore. Guys like you will one day wake up.

So as well as someone who changes the past you can also predict the future?

Ian you are wasted in your current job.

The simple FACT is that we were knocking and knocking on the door of the Premiership, didn't make it and there was little prospect of getting there. We had run out of money pushing for it and had we somehow survived liquidation by HMRC we definitely would have received a ten point penalty by going into administration. We had no players to sell as those of value had all been sold. However Tan took us over and two years later we were top of the Premiership. FACT. Anything else is conjecture.

Top of the premiership....I missed that.

Actually we had the likes of Bothroyd, Chopra, Burke.

Regarding the future well do you think we will be challenging like we were before Tan came in?

Ha ha I did spot that and went to edit it then thought actually I won't bother. Like some of the other bullshit on here if you write it people might believe it.

When he invested we were days from liquidation with debts to numerous companies and most importantly HMRC. We are nowhere near that at this point in time.

You really are naive Neil. You and a few others.

When Tan appeared on the scene we were pushing for premiership. An attractive offer we were. Hence why the likes of Tan came on the scene. He came to make money out of us. Unfortunately for us he has screwed it up. He is now trying to get back as much as he can. When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere.

The bottom line is Tan has screwed up and will sell us to such a status being who will take us back to the tax man knocking again because we will not be an attraction anymore. Guys like you will one day wake up.

So as well as someone who changes the past you can also predict the future?

Ian you are wasted in your current job.

The simple FACT is that we were knocking and knocking on the door of the Premiership, didn't make it and there was little prospect of getting there. We had run out of money pushing for it and had we somehow survived liquidation by HMRC we definitely would have received a ten point penalty by going into administration. We had no players to sell as those of value had all been sold. However Tan took us over and two years later we were top of the Premiership. FACT. Anything else is conjecture.

Bloody Hell Neil, Are you sure you follow Cardiff City? Top of the Premier League under Tan I know you actually dont go and watch City in person,but to come out with that,you must be on about another club

Annis you keep writing that I don't go but you know full well that's due to my life in the RAF and not because I can't be bothered. You know full well that from 92 to 01 I followed them all over the country. When I was at valley I used to travel with Hefin and the Anglesey lot and even went when I was back in Cardiff. I stopped well before Tan so I think I am neutral over it and am certainly not biased anti Tan.

As for top of the Premiership. I did notice my mistake and was going to edit but decided to leave it. As I said before there's so much bullshit written on this board that people believe they might believe if I write we were top of the Premiership.

Also, I'm not totally wrong, due to alphabet we were up the top of the Premiership as the season started. Only time Malky would have got us near.

When he invested we were days from liquidation with debts to numerous companies and most importantly HMRC. We are nowhere near that at this point in time.

You really are naive Neil. You and a few others.

When Tan appeared on the scene we were pushing for premiership. An attractive offer we were. Hence why the likes of Tan came on the scene. He came to make money out of us. Unfortunately for us he has screwed it up. He is now trying to get back as much as he can. When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere.

The bottom line is Tan has screwed up and will sell us to such a status being who will take us back to the tax man knocking again because we will not be an attraction anymore. Guys like you will one day wake up.

So as well as someone who changes the past you can also predict the future?

Ian you are wasted in your current job.

The simple FACT is that we were knocking and knocking on the door of the Premiership, didn't make it and there was little prospect of getting there. We had run out of money pushing for it and had we somehow survived liquidation by HMRC we definitely would have received a ten point penalty by going into administration. We had no players to sell as those of value had all been sold. However Tan took us over and two years later we were top of the Premiership. FACT. Anything else is conjecture.

Top of the premiership....I missed that.

Actually we had the likes of Bothroyd, Chopra, Burke.

Regarding the future well do you think we will be challenging like we were before Tan came in?

Ha ha I did spot that and went to edit it then thought actually I won't bother. Like some of the other bullshit on here if you write it people might believe it.

The Only BULLSHIT is you Neil, your Tan to the end no matter what he has done or even does, maybe you better get down the stadium and feel how it really is.

When he invested we were days from liquidation with debts to numerous companies and most importantly HMRC. We are nowhere near that at this point in time.

You really are naive Neil. You and a few others.

When Tan appeared on the scene we were pushing for premiership. An attractive offer we were. Hence why the likes of Tan came on the scene. He came to make money out of us. Unfortunately for us he has screwed it up. He is now trying to get back as much as he can. When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere.

The bottom line is Tan has screwed up and will sell us to such a status being who will take us back to the tax man knocking again because we will not be an attraction anymore. Guys like you will one day wake up.

So as well as someone who changes the past you can also predict the future?

Ian you are wasted in your current job.

The simple FACT is that we were knocking and knocking on the door of the Premiership, didn't make it and there was little prospect of getting there. We had run out of money pushing for it and had we somehow survived liquidation by HMRC we definitely would have received a ten point penalty by going into administration. We had no players to sell as those of value had all been sold. However Tan took us over and two years later we were top of the Premiership. FACT. Anything else is conjecture.

Top of the premiership....I missed that.

Actually we had the likes of Bothroyd, Chopra, Burke.

Regarding the future well do you think we will be challenging like we were before Tan came in?

Ha ha I did spot that and went to edit it then thought actually I won't bother. Like some of the other bullshit on here if you write it people might believe it.

The Only BULLSHIT is you Neil, your Tan to the end no matter what he has done or even does, maybe you better get down the stadium and feel how it really is.

I'm not Tan until the end. Far from it. He had made a lot of mistakes however he has us in a better position than when he found us which was days away from being wound up that's despite the debt we have at the moment which is to one person and that's him thus not likely to be wound up.

I had a similar scenario when I used to defend Sam on the other board and people used to slate me for that stance. I preferred to look at the positives Sam made in progressing the club than the negatives. People who take risks (like Sam and Tan did) will make mistakes. Tan's main mistake was the rebrand. This he has reversed. Instead of giving him credit for that or even allowing a clean slate you continue with your anti Tan stance much to the detriment of uniting the fans. That of course is your prerogative as you have always worn your heart on your sleeve which is why I think so highly of you. There's no bullshit from you as you say it how you see it.

When he invested we were days from liquidation with debts to numerous companies and most importantly HMRC. We are nowhere near that at this point in time.

You really are naive Neil. You and a few others.

When Tan appeared on the scene we were pushing for premiership. An attractive offer we were. Hence why the likes of Tan came on the scene. He came to make money out of us. Unfortunately for us he has screwed it up. He is now trying to get back as much as he can. When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere.

The bottom line is Tan has screwed up and will sell us to such a status being who will take us back to the tax man knocking again because we will not be an attraction anymore. Guys like you will one day wake up.

Quote: "When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere"

At the start of your message you said we were pushing for the Premier League when Tan came in, then you say we were going nowhere and the Tax Man would come (Quote) "Knocking again"

I'm no 'fan' of Tan, but I know with certainty that had(as it did) the Premier League Play-Off not go our way that day, we would not have 'pushed' anything but daisies the following season had Tan not come in when he did!

Just pointing out, because I don't like the term "(quote) "Guys like you" are automatically 'naive' because they see things a little differently and (maybe) a little less personality based

Well said.

When he invested we were days from liquidation with debts to numerous companies and most importantly HMRC. We are nowhere near that at this point in time.

You really are naive Neil. You and a few others.

When Tan appeared on the scene we were pushing for premiership. An attractive offer we were. Hence why the likes of Tan came on the scene. He came to make money out of us. Unfortunately for us he has screwed it up. He is now trying to get back as much as he can. When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere.

The bottom line is Tan has screwed up and will sell us to such a status being who will take us back to the tax man knocking again because we will not be an attraction anymore. Guys like you will one day wake up.

So as well as someone who changes the past you can also predict the future?

Ian you are wasted in your current job.

The simple FACT is that we were knocking and knocking on the door of the Premiership, didn't make it and there was little prospect of getting there. We had run out of money pushing for it and had we somehow survived liquidation by HMRC we definitely would have received a ten point penalty by going into administration. We had no players to sell as those of value had all been sold. However Tan took us over and two years later we were top of the Premiership. FACT. Anything else is conjecture.

Top of the premiership....I missed that.

Actually we had the likes of Bothroyd, Chopra, Burke.

Regarding the future well do you think we will be challenging like we were before Tan came in?

Ha ha I did spot that and went to edit it then thought actually I won't bother. Like some of the other bullshit on here if you write it people might believe it.

The Only BULLSHIT is you Neil, your Tan to the end no matter what he has done or even does, maybe you better get down the stadium and feel how it really is.

I'm not Tan until the end. Far from it. He had made a lot of mistakes however he has us in a better position than when he found us which was days away from being wound up that's despite the debt we have at the moment which is to one person and that's him thus not likely to be wound up.

I had a similar scenario when I used to defend Sam on the other board and people used to slate me for that stance. I preferred to look at the positives Sam made in progressing the club than the negatives. People who take risks (like Sam and Tan did) will make mistakes. Tan's main mistake was the rebrand. This he has reversed. Instead of giving him credit for that or even allowing a clean slate you continue with your anti Tan stance much to the detriment of uniting the fans. That of course is your prerogative as you have always worn your heart on your sleeve which is why I think so highly of you. There's no bullshit from you as you say it how you see it.

Thats fair enough Neil Sorry I thought you were saying I was talking bullshit, use I do say exactly how I feel and what I hear.
My apologies as we should not let football opinions become between our friendship.

I just have no respect for Tan and prob get carried away sometimes.

Who says the fan base is divided? Divided over what? Pure drama.

I tend to agree.
I had more arguments over Dave Jones lol.

He has delivered on some but this was for red. We shouldn't expect anything further now back to blue and that's fine for me.

Exactly. Debates over owners, managers, formations and players are part of what football is about. A difference of opinion doesn't divide the fans.

Also agree, fine for me too.

I also agree with the above comments. The rebrand is now dispensed to history and those who continue to drag it up are nothing more than serial shit stirrers.

It is these fans and not Tan who are the biggest danger to our football club. 99% of the fan base want to see our club thrive and go forward with the aim of establishing ourselves as a top ten Premiership club. Unfortunately due to bitterness and spite there are those who would prefer to see us struggle so they can blame Tan for all the ills that we encounter.

I'm so glad that there are a number of posters who have the strength of personality to recognise this and point out how absurd this attitude is. Of course there will always be the sheep who will follow my leader no matter what the true circumstances are, but fortunately there numbers are not growing

I like you. You post well.

That's probaby because your on the same ward!

Who says the fan base is divided? Divided over what? Pure drama.

I tend to agree.
I had more arguments over Dave Jones lol.

He has delivered on some but this was for red. We shouldn't expect anything further now back to blue and that's fine for me.

Exactly. Debates over owners, managers, formations and players are part of what football is about. A difference of opinion doesn't divide the fans.

Also agree, fine for me too.

I also agree with the above comments. The rebrand is now dispensed to history and those who continue to drag it up are nothing more than serial shit stirrers.

It is these fans and not Tan who are the biggest danger to our football club. 99% of the fan base want to see our club thrive and go forward with the aim of establishing ourselves as a top ten Premiership club. Unfortunately due to bitterness and spite there are those who would prefer to see us struggle so they can blame Tan for all the ills that we encounter.

I'm so glad that there are a number of posters who have the strength of personality to recognise this and point out how absurd this attitude is. Of course there will always be the sheep who will follow my leader no matter what the true circumstances are, but fortunately there numbers are not growing

I like you. You post well.

That's probably because you're on the same ward!

Corrected your spelling. You're welcome.

When he invested we were days from liquidation with debts to numerous companies and most importantly HMRC. We are nowhere near that at this point in time.

You really are naive Neil. You and a few others.

When Tan appeared on the scene we were pushing for premiership. An attractive offer we were. Hence why the likes of Tan came on the scene. He came to make money out of us. Unfortunately for us he has screwed it up. He is now trying to get back as much as he can. When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere.

The bottom line is Tan has screwed up and will sell us to such a status being who will take us back to the tax man knocking again because we will not be an attraction anymore. Guys like you will one day wake up.

So as well as someone who changes the past you can also predict the future?

Ian you are wasted in your current job.

The simple FACT is that we were knocking and knocking on the door of the Premiership, didn't make it and there was little prospect of getting there. We had run out of money pushing for it and had we somehow survived liquidation by HMRC we definitely would have received a ten point penalty by going into administration. We had no players to sell as those of value had all been sold. However Tan took us over and two years later we were top of the Premiership. FACT. Anything else is conjecture.

Top of the premiership....I missed that.

Actually we had the likes of Bothroyd, Chopra, Burke.

Regarding the future well do you think we will be challenging like we were before Tan came in?

Ha ha I did spot that and went to edit it then thought actually I won't bother. Like some of the other bullshit on here if you write it people might believe it.

The Only BULLSHIT is you Neil, your Tan to the end no matter what he has done or even does, maybe you better get down the stadium and feel how it really is.

I'm not Tan until the end. Far from it. He had made a lot of mistakes however he has us in a better position than when he found us which was days away from being wound up that's despite the debt we have at the moment which is to one person and that's him thus not likely to be wound up.

I had a similar scenario when I used to defend Sam on the other board and people used to slate me for that stance. I preferred to look at the positives Sam made in progressing the club than the negatives. People who take risks (like Sam and Tan did) will make mistakes. Tan's main mistake was the rebrand. This he has reversed. Instead of giving him credit for that or even allowing a clean slate you continue with your anti Tan stance much to the detriment of uniting the fans. That of course is your prerogative as you have always worn your heart on your sleeve which is why I think so highly of you. There's no bullshit from you as you say it how you see it.

Thats fair enough Neil Sorry I thought you were saying I was talking bullshit, use I do say exactly how I feel and what I hear.
My apologies as we should not let football opinions become between our friendship.

I just have no respect for Tan and prob get carried away sometimes.

No worries mate.

When he invested we were days from liquidation with debts to numerous companies and most importantly HMRC. We are nowhere near that at this point in time.

You really are naive Neil. You and a few others.

When Tan appeared on the scene we were pushing for premiership. An attractive offer we were. Hence why the likes of Tan came on the scene. He came to make money out of us. Unfortunately for us he has screwed it up. He is now trying to get back as much as he can. When he is done he will count his losses, leave us where we were 10 years ago hardly an attraction, sell us to status of the Riddlers who will take us nowhere.

The bottom line is Tan has screwed up and will sell us to such a status being who will take us back to the tax man knocking again because we will not be an attraction anymore. Guys like you will one day wake up.

So as well as someone who changes the past you can also predict the future?

Ian you are wasted in your current job.

The simple FACT is that we were knocking and knocking on the door of the Premiership, didn't make it and there was little prospect of getting there. We had run out of money pushing for it and had we somehow survived liquidation by HMRC we definitely would have received a ten point penalty by going into administration. We had no players to sell as those of value had all been sold. However Tan took us over and two years later we were top of the Premiership. FACT. Anything else is conjecture.

Top of the premiership....I missed that.

Actually we had the likes of Bothroyd, Chopra, Burke.

Regarding the future well do you think we will be challenging like we were before Tan came in?

Ha ha I did spot that and went to edit it then thought actually I won't bother. Like some of the other bullshit on here if you write it people might believe it.

The Only BULLSHIT is you Neil, your Tan to the end no matter what he has done or even does, maybe you better get down the stadium and feel how it really is.

I'm not Tan until the end. Far from it. He had made a lot of mistakes however he has us in a better position than when he found us which was days away from being wound up that's despite the debt we have at the moment which is to one person and that's him thus not likely to be wound up.

I had a similar scenario when I used to defend Sam on the other board and people used to slate me for that stance. I preferred to look at the positives Sam made in progressing the club than the negatives. People who take risks (like Sam and Tan did) will make mistakes. Tan's main mistake was the rebrand. This he has reversed. Instead of giving him credit for that or even allowing a clean slate you continue with your anti Tan stance much to the detriment of uniting the fans. That of course is your prerogative as you have always worn your heart on your sleeve which is why I think so highly of you. There's no bullshit from you as you say it how you see it.

Thats fair enough Neil Sorry I thought you were saying I was talking bullshit, use I do say exactly how I feel and what I hear.
My apologies as we should not let football opinions become between our friendship.

I just have no respect for Tan and prob get carried away sometimes.

No worries mate.