' ONE OF THE WORST DAYS IN CCFC HISTORY '

The rebrand was absolute disaster and I'm sure when Tan talks about 'lessons learnt' he is in part referring to that mistake. I get the promotion season was spoilt because of it and seeing CCFC play in red just felt wrong.

But the truth is the rebrand was always going to be reversed the moment we started to struggle and gates dwindled. VT didn't factor that in and the FFP rules also came into it as an uninvited ally.

What most fans don't realise is VT had to chase the dragon (so to speak) in order for his rebrand to succeed. This led to him funding the club to the tune of £130m and rising. Whether its a loan or debt to equity it doesn't really matter as VT has bust his wallet and he is stuck with us. If he wants to off load then he either has to find a mug who will pay £150m+ (highly unlikely) or write off the debt and sell for a lesser amount (again highly unlikely).

We can run a hate campaign against him if we like, but personally I like the situation where the 'billionaire' owner is stuck with us and where his own interests are to continue funding CCFC responsibly in order to save face.

Personally I would stop the moaning and start seeing things for what they are; we have our cake and are eating it

A spot on post this

I don't hate Tan although to heal this re-brand wound totally I believe he should sell up and go.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Agree on point 2 - now we should be pulling as one unit - together.

Strongly disagree on point 1 - I for one was cringing all the way through promotion and premiership - it just was not CARDIFF CITY . but stuck with it all the same.

Blooobirds Forever !!!

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Agree on point 2 - now we should be pulling as one unit - together.

Strongly disagree on point 1 - I for one was cringing all the way through promotion and premiership - it just was not CARDIFF CITY . but stuck with it all the same.

Blooobirds Forever !!!

You were in the minority I think bud.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Agree on point 2 - now we should be pulling as one unit - together.

Strongly disagree on point 1 - I for one was cringing all the way through promotion and premiership - it just was not CARDIFF CITY . but stuck with it all the same.

Blooobirds Forever !!!

You were in the minority I think bud.

I would not call it a minority as the majority wanted the blue.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Agree on point 2 - now we should be pulling as one unit - together.

Strongly disagree on point 1 - I for one was cringing all the way through promotion and premiership - it just was not CARDIFF CITY . but stuck with it all the same.

Blooobirds Forever !!!

You were in the minority I think bud.

I would not call it a minority as the majority wanted the blue.

The facts are that few protested. Most went along with it when we were winning.

Arrived back from a great holiday in New York to this and my first action (after stating I would never leave the country again if this sort of thing goes on when I let my guard down) was to apply to cancel my season ticket. Got a refund and haven't purchased a new one until last week. Back to blue and the bluebird, back to the business of supporting Cardiff City.

I think the fact that season ticket sales seem to have taken a majorly significant hit over the standard of football and curtailment of investment, as opposed to a misely 70 of us who got our season tickets refunded for the total disregard of the clubs traditions speaks volumes about what is important to people.

Arrived back from a great holiday in New York to this and my first action (after stating I would never leave the country again if this sort of thing goes on when I let my guard down) was to apply to cancel my season ticket. Got a refund and haven't purchased a new one until last week. Back to blue and the bluebird, back to the business of supporting Cardiff City.

I think the fact that season ticket sales seem to have taken a majorly significant hit over the standard of football and curtailment of investment, as opposed to a misely 70 of us who got our season tickets refunded for the total disregard of the clubs traditions speaks volumes about what is important to people.

Exactly. Yet people try to say it's for other reasons. One said he won't be back cos they sold Brayford.

I have massive respect for those who still have season tickets and even more for those that stood by their principles and gave up but have come back now we are back in blue.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Agree on point 2 - now we should be pulling as one unit - together.

Strongly disagree on point 1 - I for one was cringing all the way through promotion and premiership - it just was not CARDIFF CITY . but stuck with it all the same.

Blooobirds Forever !!!

You were in the minority I think bud.

I would not call it a minority as the majority wanted the blue.

The facts are that few protested. Most went along with it when we were winning.

Over 2,000 protested out of 20,000 attendances. 7,000 of 70,000 protested against the Glaziers. In proportion I would say that is good compared to few.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Neil. I totally disagree with you,You know I detested it from day one,a Fact and have protested from day one.

The other fact is,you dont really no what was going on in the stadium as you never go to the matches.

For me it just felt like the heart and soul had been ripped out of our beloved club.

It felt like a betrayal of everything we all knew and loved - history,culture, loyalty pride, supporters,etc

I understand Tan's investment But surely as an astute businessman he had to take advice on the whole re brand thing?

Surely in Business you do everything you can to keep your so called customers (but we are much, much more than that) happy?

I Think Tan greatly underestimated the depth of feeling, emotion, loyalty, culture, history of our fan base and listened to people who were giving him wrong advice or he knew the consequence but ploughed on regardless ?

I think he realized his mistake quite early on but his pride and cultural stubbornness got in the way of rational business thinking.

As Annis says, it is and will forever be part of our history and heritage, we cannot erase that.

Onwards and Upwards !!!

Blooobirds Forever !!!

Spot on

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Agree on point 2 - now we should be pulling as one unit - together.

Strongly disagree on point 1 - I for one was cringing all the way through promotion and premiership - it just was not CARDIFF CITY . but stuck with it all the same.

Blooobirds Forever !!!

You were in the minority I think bud.

I would not call it a minority as the majority wanted the blue.

The facts are that few protested. Most went along with it when we were winning.

Over 2,000 protested out of 20,000 attendances. 7,000 of 70,000 protested against the Glaziers. In proportion I would say that is good compared to few.

Nowhere near 2000 and it was out of 25000 Cardiff fans.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Neil. I totally disagree with you,You know I detested it from day one,a Fact and have protested from day one.

The other fact is,you dont really no what was going on in the stadium as you never go to the matches.

I have said in another post I respect those that were against it and maintained that stance.

The rebrand was absolute disaster and I'm sure when Tan talks about 'lessons learnt' he is in part referring to that mistake. I get the promotion season was spoilt because of it and seeing CCFC play in red just felt wrong.

But the truth is the rebrand was always going to be reversed the moment we started to struggle and gates dwindled. VT didn't factor that in and the FFP rules also came into it as an uninvited ally.

What most fans don't realise is VT had to chase the dragon (so to speak) in order for his rebrand to succeed. This led to him funding the club to the tune of £130m and rising. Whether its a loan or debt to equity it doesn't really matter as VT has bust his wallet and he is stuck with us. If he wants to off load then he either has to find a mug who will pay £150m+ (highly unlikely) or write off the debt and sell for a lesser amount (again highly unlikely).

We can run a hate campaign against him if we like, but personally I like the situation where the 'billionaire' owner is stuck with us and where his own interests are to continue funding CCFC responsibly in order to save face.

Personally I would stop the moaning and start seeing things for what they are; we have our cake and are eating it

Interesting and good post

The rebrand was absolute disaster and I'm sure when Tan talks about 'lessons learnt' he is in part referring to that mistake. I get the promotion season was spoilt because of it and seeing CCFC play in red just felt wrong.

But the truth is the rebrand was always going to be reversed the moment we started to struggle and gates dwindled. VT didn't factor that in and the FFP rules also came into it as an uninvited ally.

What most fans don't realise is VT had to chase the dragon (so to speak) in order for his rebrand to succeed. This led to him funding the club to the tune of £130m and rising. Whether its a loan or debt to equity it doesn't really matter as VT has bust his wallet and he is stuck with us. If he wants to off load then he either has to find a mug who will pay £150m+ (highly unlikely) or write off the debt and sell for a lesser amount (again highly unlikely).

We can run a hate campaign against him if we like, but personally I like the situation where the 'billionaire' owner is stuck with us and where his own interests are to continue funding CCFC responsibly in order to save face.

Personally I would stop the moaning and start seeing things for what they are; we have our cake and are eating it

Interesting and good post

The rebrand was absolute disaster and I'm sure when Tan talks about 'lessons learnt' he is in part referring to that mistake. I get the promotion season was spoilt because of it and seeing CCFC play in red just felt wrong.

But the truth is the rebrand was always going to be reversed the moment we started to struggle and gates dwindled. VT didn't factor that in and the FFP rules also came into it as an uninvited ally.

What most fans don't realise is VT had to chase the dragon (so to speak) in order for his rebrand to succeed. This led to him funding the club to the tune of £130m and rising. Whether its a loan or debt to equity it doesn't really matter as VT has bust his wallet and he is stuck with us. If he wants to off load then he either has to find a mug who will pay £150m+ (highly unlikely) or write off the debt and sell for a lesser amount (again highly unlikely).

We can run a hate campaign against him if we like, but personally I like the situation where the 'billionaire' owner is stuck with us and where his own interests are to continue funding CCFC responsibly in order to save face.

Personally I would stop the moaning and start seeing things for what they are; we have our cake and are eating it

Interesting and good post

It is an interesting , & good post,,,But lets play devils advocate here,,,what if Malky Macky was successfull in the Premier League, & was not sacked when he was? What if we were still in the Premier League now?? Would the Re Brand have been reversed then???

As much as I respect All of the City supporters who took the same stance that Dave Sugerman took, right from the beginning, the fact is what was done was done,,,,& the Mass majority basically went along with it,,,for whatever reason. The fact of the matter is this, It took a whole season of successful & promotional Championship football, before any Real sign, or demonstration,, the of re branded protest was either voiced,,,or displayed!

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The rebrand was absolute disaster and I'm sure when Tan talks about 'lessons learnt' he is in part referring to that mistake. I get the promotion season was spoilt because of it and seeing CCFC play in red just felt wrong.

But the truth is the rebrand was always going to be reversed the moment we started to struggle and gates dwindled. VT didn't factor that in and the FFP rules also came into it as an uninvited ally.

What most fans don't realise is VT had to chase the dragon (so to speak) in order for his rebrand to succeed. This led to him funding the club to the tune of £130m and rising. Whether its a loan or debt to equity it doesn't really matter as VT has bust his wallet and he is stuck with us. If he wants to off load then he either has to find a mug who will pay £150m+ (highly unlikely) or write off the debt and sell for a lesser amount (again highly unlikely).

We can run a hate campaign against him if we like, but personally I like the situation where the 'billionaire' owner is stuck with us and where his own interests are to continue funding CCFC responsibly in order to save face.

Personally I would stop the moaning and start seeing things for what they are; we have our cake and are eating it

Spot on.

The rebrand was absolute disaster and I'm sure when Tan talks about 'lessons learnt' he is in part referring to that mistake. I get the promotion season was spoilt because of it and seeing CCFC play in red just felt wrong.

But the truth is the rebrand was always going to be reversed the moment we started to struggle and gates dwindled. VT didn't factor that in and the FFP rules also came into it as an uninvited ally.

What most fans don't realise is VT had to chase the dragon (so to speak) in order for his rebrand to succeed. This led to him funding the club to the tune of £130m and rising. Whether its a loan or debt to equity it doesn't really matter as VT has bust his wallet and he is stuck with us. If he wants to off load then he either has to find a mug who will pay £150m+ (highly unlikely) or write off the debt and sell for a lesser amount (again highly unlikely).

We can run a hate campaign against him if we like, but personally I like the situation where the 'billionaire' owner is stuck with us and where his own interests are to continue funding CCFC responsibly in order to save face.

Personally I would stop the moaning and start seeing things for what they are; we have our cake and are eating it

Interesting and good post

It is an interesting , & good post,,,But lets play devils advocate here,,,what if Malky Macky was successfull in the Premier League, & was not sacked when he was? What if we were still in the Premier League now?? Would the Re Brand have been reversed then???

As much as I respect All of the City supporters who took the same stance that Dave Sugerman took, right from the beginning, the fact is what was done was done,,,,& the Mass majority basically went along with it,,,for whatever reason. The fact of the matter is this, It took a whole season of successful & promotional Championship football, before any Real sign, or demonstration,, the of re branded protest was either voiced,,,or displayed!

Rick, We would still be Red

Yes we would Annis,,,selling Millions of Red shirts throughout South East Asia.

It was All just a Billionaires Pipe dream at the time !

Yes we would Annis,,,selling Millions of Red shirts throughout South East Asia.

It was All just a Billionaires Pipe dream at the time !

Relegation was a blessing in disguise.

Yes we would Annis,,,selling Millions of Red shirts throughout South East Asia.

It was All just a Billionaires Pipe dream at the time !

Rick, a Mad, Dictators Pipe Dream.

The rebrand was absolute disaster and I'm sure when Tan talks about 'lessons learnt' he is in part referring to that mistake. I get the promotion season was spoilt because of it and seeing CCFC play in red just felt wrong.

But the truth is the rebrand was always going to be reversed the moment we started to struggle and gates dwindled. VT didn't factor that in and the FFP rules also came into it as an uninvited ally.

What most fans don't realise is VT had to chase the dragon (so to speak) in order for his rebrand to succeed. This led to him funding the club to the tune of £130m and rising. Whether its a loan or debt to equity it doesn't really matter as VT has bust his wallet and he is stuck with us. If he wants to off load then he either has to find a mug who will pay £150m+ (highly unlikely) or write off the debt and sell for a lesser amount (again highly unlikely).

We can run a hate campaign against him if we like, but personally I like the situation where the 'billionaire' owner is stuck with us and where his own interests are to continue funding CCFC responsibly in order to save face.

Personally I would stop the moaning and start seeing things for what they are; we have our cake and are eating it

Interesting and good post

It is an interesting , & good post,,,But lets play devils advocate here,,,what if Malky Macky was successfull in the Premier League, & was not sacked when he was? What if we were still in the Premier League now?? Would the Re Brand have been reversed then???

As much as I respect All of the City supporters who took the same stance that Dave Sugerman took, right from the beginning, the fact is what was done was done,,,,& the Mass majority basically went along with it,,,for whatever reason. The fact of the matter is this, It took a whole season of successful & promotional Championship football, before any Real sign, or demonstration,, the of re branded protest was either voiced,,,or displayed!

It's not devil's advocate at all it's the truth. People wouldn't have jumped on the anti red bandwagon.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Agree on point 2 - now we should be pulling as one unit - together.

Strongly disagree on point 1 - I for one was cringing all the way through promotion and premiership - it just was not CARDIFF CITY . but stuck with it all the same.

Blooobirds Forever !!!

You were in the minority I think bud.

I would not call it a minority as the majority wanted the blue.

The facts are that few protested. Most went along with it when we were winning.

Over 2,000 protested out of 20,000 attendances. 7,000 of 70,000 protested against the Glaziers. In proportion I would say that is good compared to few.

Nowhere near 2000 and it was out of 25000 Cardiff fans.

It was actually over 2,000. You should have been there Neil.

25,000 rubbish....if you went to the games you would have seen most of the attendances were around 20,000 if we were lucky.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Agree on point 2 - now we should be pulling as one unit - together.

Strongly disagree on point 1 - I for one was cringing all the way through promotion and premiership - it just was not CARDIFF CITY . but stuck with it all the same.

Blooobirds Forever !!!

You were in the minority I think bud.

I would not call it a minority as the majority wanted the blue.

The facts are that few protested. Most went along with it when we were winning.

Over 2,000 protested out of 20,000 attendances. 7,000 of 70,000 protested against the Glaziers. In proportion I would say that is good compared to few.

Nowhere near 2000 and it was out of 25000 Cardiff fans.

It was actually over 2,000. You should have been there Neil.

25,000 rubbish....if you went to the games you would have seen most of the attendances were around 20,000 if we were lucky.

Which protests are you talking about? The ones when we were in the premiership before it started going wrong it was 300 at the castle swelling to more than that en route for the Man City game. Then Boxing Day it was about 500 fans protesting before the Southampton game which was more in support of Malky. March then when it was pretty clear we were going down the numbers increased to more than a 1000.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Agree on point 2 - now we should be pulling as one unit - together.

Strongly disagree on point 1 - I for one was cringing all the way through promotion and premiership - it just was not CARDIFF CITY . but stuck with it all the same.

Blooobirds Forever !!!

You were in the minority I think bud.

I would not call it a minority as the majority wanted the blue.

The facts are that few protested. Most went along with it when we were winning.

Over 2,000 protested out of 20,000 attendances. 7,000 of 70,000 protested against the Glaziers. In proportion I would say that is good compared to few.

Nowhere near 2000 and it was out of 25000 Cardiff fans.

It was actually over 2,000. You should have been there Neil.

25,000 rubbish....if you went to the games you would have seen most of the attendances were around 20,000 if we were lucky.

Which protests are you talking about? The ones when we were in the premiership before it started going wrong it was 300 at the castle swelling to more than that en route for the Man City game. Then Boxing Day it was about 500 fans protesting before the Southampton game which was more in support of Malky. March then when it was pretty clear we were going down the numbers increased to more than a 1000.

You really don't know do you Neil. A bit like you thinking Borley remortgaged his house.

The Boxing Day protest was over a 1000. I know I was there. The marches after that were hitting the 2,000. The last one started with around 4,000.

Honestly, how stupid are you all? The debt to equity isn't happening. Tan is just making mugs out of you all. Appeasement, look it up. Tell the people what they want to hear and bide yourself some time until something else occurs to take their mind off it. He's playing you for fools.

Honestly, how stupid are YOU all?

The debt to equity isn't happening. Tan is just making mugs out of YOU all.

Appeasement, look it up. [BIT PATRONISING TO YOUR FELLOW FANS ISN'T IT?] Tell the people what they want to hear and bide yourself some time until something else occurs to take their mind off it.

He's playing YOU for fools.[/quote]

Are you a genuine fan of Cardiff City or are you just a WUM who enjoys stirring it up? Your posts are very negative consistently and you constantly bring up the jaxx but then mention how they are doing much better. If you notice, I am the only one to respond to this post so far which means that many are ignoring you.

I may be wrong and if so, I apologise but something doesn't ring true to me. Just saying.

Almost as bad as the day Sam tried to kill us

Are you a genuine fan of Cardiff City or are you just a WUM who enjoys stirring it up?

Im a genuine fan who actually understands what is happening at the club.

Your posts are very negative consistently

Which is expected given the turmoil our club is in on and off the pitch. Are you expecting me to be dancing and lighting fireworks in celebration of what is going on? We have an owner who couldn't give two hoots about the fans - the rebrand was reversed not because he suddenly developed compassion or understanding but because the Sky money was no longer coming in due to relegation and thus keeping up attendances and merchandise purchasing is imperative at a lower level. Secondly, our manager has the tactical understanding of a watermelon and a head shaped like one. Finally, we have daft fans who continue to buy into all the crap the club is feeding them. The only way the club moves forward is if Tan gets lost. Simple as that and I will continue to appear negative until he is gone.

and you constantly bring up the jaxx but then mention how they are doing much better.

So telling the truth is not allowed now? Real Madrid are also better than us. The Jacks are better than us. Heck, Bournemouth are better than us and that is also a fact. Sorry if the truth is negative and hurts but that is just the truth. Deal with it.

If you notice, I am the only one to respond to this post so far which means that many are ignoring you.

Its easier to bury your head in the sand and live in a world of denial than accept the club you love is in turmoil and something needs to be done about it, i.e. a change of ownership. In fact, I'll go as far as to predict that Cardiff will be in a relegation battle next year because honestly I cant see us progressing under Tan's ownership. I can see Slade getting the chop early on, a new manager of an unknown quantity coming in (as no credible manager will want to work for the loon) and we'll either completely collapse like Blackpool or we'll be in a battle for most of the season.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Agree on point 2 - now we should be pulling as one unit - together.

Strongly disagree on point 1 - I for one was cringing all the way through promotion and premiership - it just was not CARDIFF CITY . but stuck with it all the same.

Blooobirds Forever !!!

You were in the minority I think bud.

I would not call it a minority as the majority wanted the blue.

The facts are that few protested. Most went along with it when we were winning.

Over 2,000 protested out of 20,000 attendances. 7,000 of 70,000 protested against the Glaziers. In proportion I would say that is good compared to few.

Nowhere near 2000 and it was out of 25000 Cardiff fans.

It was actually over 2,000. You should have been there Neil.

25,000 rubbish....if you went to the games you would have seen most of the attendances were around 20,000 if we were lucky.

Which protests are you talking about? The ones when we were in the premiership before it started going wrong it was 300 at the castle swelling to more than that en route for the Man City game. Then Boxing Day it was about 500 fans protesting before the Southampton game which was more in support of Malky. March then when it was pretty clear we were going down the numbers increased to more than a 1000.

You really don't know do you Neil. A bit like you thinking Borley remortgaged his house.

The Boxing Day protest was over a 1000. I know I was there. The marches after that were hitting the 2,000. The last one started with around 4,000.

I'm working off neutral articles of the protests not biased anti-tan stuff you always spout. You will write anything to try and make Tan look bad.

There are people more ITK than you who said Borley remortgaged his house to raise money for the club. I have no reason to disbelieve them. You don't believe as it doesn't suit your agenda to do so.

My two points on this are.

1) we didn't mind the red when we were winning the Championship or moving into the Premiership. It only became an issue when we started losing.

2) many of our fans stated the only way back was a full reversal of the rebrand which he has done yet we are still not happy and now moan about lack of ambition and other things. Makes us look pathetic or as the French say pathete.

Agree on point 2 - now we should be pulling as one unit - together.

Strongly disagree on point 1 - I for one was cringing all the way through promotion and premiership - it just was not CARDIFF CITY . but stuck with it all the same.

Blooobirds Forever !!!

You were in the minority I think bud.

I would not call it a minority as the majority wanted the blue.

The facts are that few protested. Most went along with it when we were winning.

Over 2,000 protested out of 20,000 attendances. 7,000 of 70,000 protested against the Glaziers. In proportion I would say that is good compared to few.

Nowhere near 2000 and it was out of 25000 Cardiff fans.

It was actually over 2,000. You should have been there Neil.

25,000 rubbish....if you went to the games you would have seen most of the attendances were around 20,000 if we were lucky.

Which protests are you talking about? The ones when we were in the premiership before it started going wrong it was 300 at the castle swelling to more than that en route for the Man City game. Then Boxing Day it was about 500 fans protesting before the Southampton game which was more in support of Malky. March then when it was pretty clear we were going down the numbers increased to more than a 1000.

You really don't know do you Neil. A bit like you thinking Borley remortgaged his house.

The Boxing Day protest was over a 1000. I know I was there. The marches after that were hitting the 2,000. The last one started with around 4,000.

Ian, the march before the Liverpool game was well over 5,000 Boxing Day 1,400 plus both confirmed by Cardiff Police