Disability benefit

well i fully expect you to be first in the queue then!

I no longer live in the UK. I live in a country where work ethic still exists. You should know, a lot of them move to the UK to do the jobs you lot are too lazy or up yourselves to do. Little chance of seeing a privileged middle class Russell Group student from British suburbia working in a field picking fruit from a tree. They might just break a nail. Hard enough getting Brits working in fast food chains these days because its 'embarrassing' and wouldn't want them to lose their street credibility now would we whilst they float around the city centre looking at more materialistic crap to purchase with mommy and daddy's credit card now would we? The construction industry is full of Poles and other Europeans because 'menial occupations' are clearly below the highly valued Brit that deserves a job in the service sector as a banker or lawyer as a divine right and reward for being given birth to on British soil.

I mean, how dare they suggest a Brit gets off their backside and does some dirty, grubby or grafting occupation. At least in Germany, if a kid aspires to be a carpenter they are proud of that fact and encourage him or her to be very good at their trade. In the UK, if a kid wants to be a carpenter, they're looked down upon and encouraged to go to university and do something like law, computing or politics. Britain stopped being a major player when it decided to stop being a major manufacturer. Instead, it now relies heavily on the financial services industry and when that booms and bursts as it does, you all pay for it. You have nothing else to fall back on which is why it hits British industry so bad and causes so many socio-economic issues.

the reality is that because you are a hypocrite, you will be sitting on your fat arse whining about this generation 'never having it so easy', and would move heaven and earth to avoid doing community service for a year.

I am a part of this generation. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

I thought you were a pesky lefty teenager when I read this lot. A more nieve statement than my 15yr old son would ever make.You wouldn't have a benefits culture if there were more proper jobs with decent living wages.I guess I'm roughly the same age as you and I'm surprised that you hold these views because from where I'm sitting the kids of today have it far tougher than we ever did.

Every generation claims they had it tougher than the last one. Every older generation claims its easy because they've already done it. Thats just the way it is. It's all about adaptability.No,what I am saying is the opposite.The kids today have got it far tougher than my generation when it comes to getting a decent job. As for your notion that we wouldn't have a benefits culture if we had proper jobs with decent living wages, thats nonsense. Many countries have closer to what would be regarded as living wages and still have a large welfare state.Give me half a dozen countries as an example. On top of that, socialism and communism fail.No argument there but so does pure capitalism or at least the idea is as outdated as communism.Most modern thinking economists will tell you its a mixture of capitalism based on a living wage and social opportunity and justice. They create more poverty than capitalismThats just pure nonsense.Social justice and communism as well as trade unions and the like was created out of the poverty caused by capitalism.Even the most right wing tory knows that left unchecked we would still be experiencing poverty on a scale not seen since the 1800's. because a strong economy provides the money to have a well off social political philosophy. This notion of a living wage with proper jobs is a utopian fallacy and capitalism isn't built on the foundations of utopian ideology, its built on the foundations of reality and reward, which is why it's worked so well, because it feeds a human's internal desire for greed and self advancement in a competitive environment. Don't kid yourself.If Tesco could get away with paying a pound an hour thats exactly what they'd do.Capitalism has no social conscience whatsoever in its purist form.

No offence but the claptrap you've come out with is nothing more than the nonsense spouted by the likes of Natalie Bennett and is the sort of thing an 15 year old would tell his mates in high school after reading a page of Marxist claptrap. I bet you just love the Daily Mail. This world you strive for and fight for doesn't exist because there isn't blanket policy across the world. We live in a globalised competitive economy that allows for companies to move and in the process take jobs and livelihoods with them.

That is so true.Just ask any worker in any asian sweat shop.Capitalism at its best.

Well said Sneggy. Capitalism is heartless and evil and is based on the few exploiting the many. Sadly, such is human nature that lots of people are ok with this. Capitalists, in the main, have little or no regard for the plight of their fellow man and believe that as long as they are doing ok within the system then all is well. The other thing is that when the free market goes tits up it comes crawling to the state for a bail out, so if there was no taxation there would be no bail out.

I no longer live in the UK. I live in a country where work ethic still exists. You should know, a lot of them move to the UK to do the jobs you lot are too lazy or up yourselves to do. Little chance of seeing a privileged middle class Russell Group student from British suburbia working in a field picking fruit from a tree. They might just break a nail. Hard enough getting Brits working in fast food chains these days because its 'embarrassing' and wouldn't want them to lose their street credibility now would we whilst they float around the city centre looking at more materialistic crap to purchase with mommy and daddy's credit card now would we? The construction industry is full of Poles and other Europeans because 'menial occupations' are clearly below the highly valued Brit that deserves a job in the service sector as a banker or lawyer as a divine right and reward for being given birth to on British soil.

I mean, how dare they suggest a Brit gets off their backside and does some dirty, grubby or grafting occupation. At least in Germany, if a kid aspires to be a carpenter they are proud of that fact and encourage him or her to be very good at their trade. In the UK, if a kid wants to be a carpenter, they're looked down upon and encouraged to go to university and do something like law, computing or politics. Britain stopped being a major player when it decided to stop being a major manufacturer. Instead, it now relies heavily on the financial services industry and when that booms and bursts as it does, you all pay for it. You have nothing else to fall back on which is why it hits British industry so bad and causes so many socio-economic issues.

It's lucky you are talking about "lazy Brits" rather than anyone else, otherwise you would be shouted down as racist

Well said Sneggy. Capitalism is heartless and evil and is based on the few exploiting the many. Sadly, such is human nature that lots of people are ok with this. Capitalists, in the main, have little or no regard for the plight of their fellow man and believe that as long as they are doing ok within the system then all is well. The other thing is that when the free market goes tits up it comes crawling to the state for a bail out, so if there was no taxation there would be no bail out.

A bailout only needed to happen due to poor fiscal management of the public sector in the UK in the first place.

did you get anything out of doing national service?

Didn't do it but on reflection think I and many others would have benefitted from it.

i suppose if you lost your job and came upon hard times

Save up for a rainy day rather than wasting money on things you cant afford. Amazing how people in other countries do it. It wont happen in Britain though because of the live for today attitude. Far too many like binge drinking with no care for their future which is why so many little chavettes are popping out babies like vending machines.

if you got cancer you'd like to be charged since you need to be self reliant of course not, you benefit from the safety net provided by social services and taxation as much as anyone else on this forum, whether you like it or not.

If I got cancer, I'd go private in another country where standards are vastly higher than on the NHS, which is struggling to afford enough beds or nurses, let alone adequate treatment. The NHS is struggling because of the burden on the public purse due to the inflated welfare state but don't let facts get in the way of your entitled outlook.

Wow. I bet you are a barrel of laughs to be around.

Yes I am, not that you'd know, of course, not knowing me.

What about human qualities like compassion?

Why should others be paid for? This just creates a society of layabouts which then need to be funded for by the economy. Its no surprise that such countries are in massive amounts of debt and will eventually lose the lot of it leading to poverty. Do you honestly think the NHS is going to be around forever because if you do then you are deluding yourself. Labour learnt that the hard way which is why the PFI deals exist in the first place.

I'm alright Jack pull the ladder up. Disgusting.

Spare us the emotional nonsense. Humanity has always been about survival of the fittest. Just because the environment is different and there are different rules at play, it doesn't mean certain people should get let off lightly. Why should hard working taxpayers of this country go to work every morning and struggle so that people can sit on their backsides or waltz off down the pub at lunch time to drink away that money? Keep paying your taxes for such people if you like, more fool you. It's only infringing upon your quality of life whilst places like Prague put places like London to shame - you know, that country with a 15% tax rate, low cost transport and a higher safety rating. You fail to realise that the inflated public sector and these leeches are one of the reasons the country is struggling to advance at the rate it should, given the current economic climate in the UK. I don't really care. Already the moronic British government has driven IT and Tech investment towards Eastern Europe. Keep it coming.

I thought about answering your post line for line again but as its obvious that you will only address the points that suit you so theres no point.

So just as you have done then. Pot, kettle....

At the very least you seem to be the last living Brit that advocates slavery.

Are you after an Oscar for the best drama performance of 2015 or something? Good grief. Comparing laissez-faire capitalism to slavery just shows how little you actually know. They are worlds apart. One leads to civil war as was the case in America. The other leads to economic prosperity and a thriving insurance based health care system that puts the NHS to shame i.e. countries like Singapore and France.

Now it may have escaped your righteous judgement but for capitalism to work properly it needs CONSUMERS that can afford to buy the goods.Que,paying people enough for them to spend and there you have it.Its all about balance.

It also needs self determination and desire with an end goal. Jobs wouldn't have started Apple if he didn't believe he could maximise profit revenues by doing so. Most businesses wouldn't have started. Capitalism and people's internal desire for self achievement work hand in hand. Also, consumers buy things because they need them or its convenient. You're all more than welcome to grow your spuds, carrots and apples. Lets see how you do with that.

You have no idea what you're talking about. A culture of entitlement and laziness is slowly killing Britain and the majority of Brits are too stupid to see it due to not being able to live a modest lifestyle within their means. Keep deluding yourself whilst paying your tax into the coffers. More fool you for being made mugs whilst politicians smugly laugh at you.

Peter Hitchens the right wing answer to Arther Scagill.Both had an undeserved platform for their political bile.Hero of yours is he?Says it all.

Peter Hitchens the right wing answer to Arther Scagill.Both had an undeserved platform for their political bile.Hero of yours is he?Says it all.

Enjoy paying your high taxes, moaning about the weather and being too lazy to do anything about it. I'll enjoy low taxes, beautiful weather and amazing beaches whilst sipping high quality low priced alcohol.

Have fun being made a mug of by Labour/Tory governments that despise you and are no less corrupt than the governments they routinely label as corrupt. You couldn't make it up to be fair but if you are going to allow yourself to be mugged off by a political elite that looks down upon you, then quite frankly, you deserve it.

Well said Sneggy. Capitalism is heartless and evil and is based on the few exploiting the many. Sadly, such is human nature that lots of people are ok with this. Capitalists, in the main, have little or no regard for the plight of their fellow man and believe that as long as they are doing ok within the system then all is well. The other thing is that when the free market goes tits up it comes crawling to the state for a bail out, so if there was no taxation there would be no bail out.

A bailout only needed to happen due to poor fiscal management of the public sector in the UK in the first place.

A bailout happened because the banks fucked up big time due to capitalist greed and incompetence and millions of people would have lost billions of pounds in personal savings if the state didn't intervene with public funds to save the day. And because of this the poor and less well off in this country are having to pay for the mistakes of the greedy few. Capitalism summed up nicely.

Well said Sneggy. Capitalism is heartless and evil and is based on the few exploiting the many. Sadly, such is human nature that lots of people are ok with this. Capitalists, in the main, have little or no regard for the plight of their fellow man and believe that as long as they are doing ok within the system then all is well. The other thing is that when the free market goes tits up it comes crawling to the state for a bail out, so if there was no taxation there would be no bail out.

A bailout only needed to happen due to poor fiscal management of the public sector in the UK in the first place.

A bailout happened because the banks fucked up big time due to capitalist greed and incompetence and millions of people would have lost billions of pounds in personal savings if the state didn't intervene with public funds to save the day. And because of this the poor and less well off in this country are having to pay for the mistakes of the greedy few. Capitalism summed up nicely.

A very good point well made but it'll be lost on this muppet.But like every idealist he'll ignore your point or even try to blame it on the poor or the disabled or the commies.

Thought this thread started with a statement about people defrauding the benefit system. there are thousands out there doing it and everyone of them should be hammered. On the other hand those who are really entitled to it should be given it without delay.
end of. I see people getting Blue Disabled Badges that are as fit as fiddles , whilst other who are clearly entitled to them are refused , how is that right?

Thought this thread started with a statement about people defrauding the benefit system. there are thousands out there doing it and everyone of them should be hammered. On the other hand those who are really entitled to it should be given it without delay.
end of. I see people getting Blue Disabled Badges that are as fit as fiddles , whilst other who are clearly entitled to them are refused , how is that right?

Benefit fraud is not the epidemic that the daily mail would have you believe.The truth of the matter is until recently DLA is paid on self assessment but that's now changing with the introduction of PIP's which is paid subject to formal assessment.By far the biggest fraudsters in my view are the private landlords who are charging upwards of £500 a month for 2 room dwellings i wouldn't keep my dog in.What ever happens though its bound to involve punishing genuinely sick people as it did last time but that will probably please our Balkan friend.

Enjoy paying your high taxes, moaning about the weather and being too lazy to do anything about it. I'll enjoy low taxes, beautiful weather and amazing beaches whilst sipping high quality low priced alcohol.

Have fun being made a mug of by Labour/Tory governments that despise you and are no less corrupt than the governments they routinely label as corrupt. You couldn't make it up to be fair but if you are going to allow yourself to be mugged off by a political elite that looks down upon you, then quite frankly, you deserve it.

The reason the UK is being made a mug of is by paying the EU billions so that third rate countries like yours can enjoy low taxes and low priced alcohol.

This thread started by discussing individual benefit fraud, it seems it has gone on to highlight and prove international benefit fraud as well.

A bailout happened because the banks fucked up big time due to capitalist greed and incompetence and millions of people would have lost billions of pounds in personal savings if the state didn't intervene with public funds to save the day. And because of this the poor and less well off in this country are having to pay for the mistakes of the greedy few. Capitalism summed up nicely.

A very good point well made but it'll be lost on this muppet.But like every idealist he'll ignore your point or even try to blame it on the poor or the disabled or the commies.

The biggest lie of the election campaign was that "Labour caused the financial collapse" due to their spending. The deficit was small before the bailout and we would-not have had 6 years of austerity if their hadn't been a financial collapse. The then Labour Government had no option but to bailout the banks otherwise the whole world would have gone to hell in a handcart.

The same thing would have happened under a Conservative Government had they been in power at the time. It is just amazing how many people swallowed the utter bollocks Cameron and Co. came out with even though they were there at the time and knew exactly what really happened.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... rs-9270884

Check these mps out for fiddling

A bailout happened because the banks fucked up big time due to capitalist greed and incompetence and millions of people would have lost billions of pounds in personal savings if the state didn't intervene with public funds to save the day. And because of this the poor and less well off in this country are having to pay for the mistakes of the greedy few. Capitalism summed up nicely.

A very good point well made but it'll be lost on this muppet.But like every idealist he'll ignore your point or even try to blame it on the poor or the disabled or the commies.

The biggest lie of the election campaign was that "Labour caused the financial collapse" due to their spending. The deficit was small before the bailout and we would-not have had 6 years of austerity if their hadn't been a financial collapse. The then Labour Government had no option but to bailout the banks otherwise the whole world would have gone to hell in a handcart.

The same thing would have happened under a Conservative Government had they been in power at the time. It is just amazing how many people swallowed the utter bollocks Cameron and Co. came out with even though they were there at the time and knew exactly what really happened.

Absolutely true Ninian but the Labour party have only themselves to blame as they let the Tories peddle the lie unchallenged for the last five years.They are in the biggest mess that I've ever seen them,even bigger than the 80's and then they were totally unelectable.

Still waiting. Name me one socialist or communist country that has worked. I put forward Switzerland as a country thriving from true capitalist policy. Of course, the mentally lazy who find it easier to blame others as opposed to doing it themselves will hate capitalism. They hate people who succeed because they themselves don't have it in them. If it wasn't for capitalism you lot wouldn't have the privileged lives you all have.

Still waiting. Name me one socialist or communist country that has worked. I put forward Switzerland as a country thriving from true capitalist policy. Of course, the mentally lazy who find it easier to blame others as opposed to doing it themselves will hate capitalism. They hate people who succeed because they themselves don't have it in them. If it wasn't for capitalism you lot wouldn't have the privileged lives you all have.

All western nations have some social policy. In the UK we have the NHS and the welfare state (both created by the Labour Party) and they have played an important part in making the UK the world's 6th (and almost 5th) biggest economy. Not bad for a country where no-one will work because they are all up themselves

Still waiting. Name me one socialist or communist country that has worked. I put forward Switzerland as a country thriving from true capitalist policy. Of course, the mentally lazy who find it easier to blame others as opposed to doing it themselves will hate capitalism. They hate people who succeed because they themselves don't have it in them. If it wasn't for capitalism you lot wouldn't have the privileged lives you all have.

All western nations have some social policy. In the UK we have the NHS and the welfare state (both created by the Labour Party) and they have played an important part in making the UK the world's 6th (and almost 5th) biggest economy. Not bad for a country where no-one will work because they are all up themselves

The NHS is failing and only exists due to a thriving economy. Who else do you think funds the quangos and middle management suits?

Absolutely true Ninian but the Labour party have only themselves to blame as they let the Tories peddle the lie unchallenged for the last five years.They are in the biggest mess that I've ever seen them,even bigger than the 80's and then they were totally unelectable.

Of course you are right Sneggy and I never understood why Labour never challenged the Tory lie. The Labour Party are in dire straights ATM and its vital that either Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper are elected as leader.

Absolutely true Ninian but the Labour party have only themselves to blame as they let the Tories peddle the lie unchallenged for the last five years.They are in the biggest mess that I've ever seen them,even bigger than the 80's and then they were totally unelectable.

Of course you are right Sneggy and I never understood why Labour never challenged the Tory lie. The Labour Party are in dire straights ATM and its vital that either Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper are elected as leader.

You only exist due to capitalism you are deluded beyond belief.

Still waiting. Name me one socialist or communist country that has worked. I put forward Switzerland as a country thriving from true capitalist policy. Of course, the mentally lazy who find it easier to blame others as opposed to doing it themselves will hate capitalism. They hate people who succeed because they themselves don't have it in them. If it wasn't for capitalism you lot wouldn't have the privileged lives you all have.

All western nations have some social policy. In the UK we have the NHS and the welfare state (both created by the Labour Party) and they have played an important part in making the UK the world's 6th (and almost 5th) biggest economy. Not bad for a country where no-one will work because they are all up themselves

The NHS is failing and only exists due to a thriving economy. Who else do you think funds the quangos and middle management suits?

How is the NHS failing? I was personally successfully treated for a brain tumour over the past 12 months and I simply cannot speak highly enough about the staff at the Velindre and University Hospital Wales to whom I owe my life.

Also if the NHS is still only going because of a thriving economy then your comments about "lazy brits" must be a complete contradiction as lazy people do-not make a "thriving economy"

Still waiting. Name me one socialist or communist country that has worked. I put forward Switzerland as a country thriving from true capitalist policy. Of course, the mentally lazy who find it easier to blame others as opposed to doing it themselves will hate capitalism. They hate people who succeed because they themselves don't have it in them. If it wasn't for capitalism you lot wouldn't have the privileged lives you all have.

The Swiss Constitution guarantees a basic living to anyone in need and everyone has the right to assistance towards economic independence and social integration.Even the Swiss have social justice and benefit rights built into their constitution.Now I'm no expert like you on the Swiss economy but in my short research into their welfare provision I've come to the conclusion that such provision is at least as good as this country.A clearer example of capitalism working hand in hand with social justice and opportunity you will not find.

Try again matey and this time do some research first.

How is the NHS failing? I was personally successfully treated for a brain tumour over the past 12 months and I simply cannot speak highly enough about the staff at the Velindre and University Hospital Wales to whom I owe my life.

Firstly, anecdotal evidence is exactly that, anecdotal. Yes, the NHS saves lives. So does the healthcare system in numerous African nations. It does not mean they're not failing. The NHS, in comparison to the French system or other systems out there like that in Singapore, is struggling massively. That is a fact.

Also if the NHS is still only going because of a thriving economy then your comments about "lazy brits" must be a complete contradiction as lazy people do-not make a "thriving economy"

Its like bloody groundhog day on here sometimes. The economy is doing well thanks to an influx of immigrants who work within it themselves or within the private sector who help generate mass sums of money. So yes, Brits are lazy, and if these immigrants left tomorrow the UK would be screwed massively. Again, that is a fact.

The Swiss Constitution guarantees a basic living to anyone in need and everyone has the right to assistance towards economic independence and social integration.Even the Swiss have social justice and benefit rights built into their constitution.Now I'm no expert like you on the Swiss economy but in my short research into their welfare provision I've come to the conclusion that such provision is at least as good as this country.A clearer example of capitalism working hand in hand with social justice and opportunity you will not find.

Try again matey and this time do some research first.

I did my research. If you had done yours you'd find that the Swiss government is extremely 'strict' when it comes to such and has a much stronger emphasis on economic prosperity. If you'd have done your research you'd know that Switzerland, in comparison to the UK, has a balanced budget and a strong labour market. Switzerland also has a large industrial trade influence and is a manufacturing powerhouse, especially in regard to watches, only falling behind China in global trade figures.

Deny all of this all you like. All you are doing is exemplifying your lack of understanding when it comes to fiscal consolidation and public sector/private sector fiscal management. We heard the same argument for years and years between Hoover and Roosevelt (stimulus this, austerity that) - its boring and we all know what it leads to. Its all a masquerade of the reality of the situation but of course like puppets you'll lap it up and continue to buy into the arguments put forward. It's hilarious.

The western model is one built around welfare, one it can not afford, and one that is based upon living beyond the financial means of a country. It will all end in tears as either the bubble will burst leading to a great depression or you'll see cuts made on a level that'd make even Thatcher weep if she were still alive. No matter how much you want to convince yourself otherwise, you cannot run an economy solely on extrapolation and if you think you can, then God help you. Growth is not indefinite, no matter how much Labour want to tell you whilst inflating the public sector. Japan found that out the hard way. It has a finite cap put on it. Look it up and you'll see.

The only way for the UK to stop self harming is to streamline the public sector massively and allow a thriving private sector to pay off the debts and reinvest to create jobs. However, that wont happen because Britain is home to a spoilt and entitled native generation who've been spoon fed by whoring parties giving them what they desire on a plate (livelihoods) in a return for votes and as a consequence, power and influence. The UK is quickly becoming a low wage service sector economy and you're all too foolish to realise it. All the clever people are off out to Singapore, Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia lapping up jobs with the massive banks, legal firms, tech firms and so on.

All the clever people are off out to Singapore, Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia lapping up jobs.

You may be right on that score.They are certainly not heading for the Balkans.

All the clever people are off out to Singapore, Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia lapping up jobs.

You may be right on that score.They are certainly not heading for the Balkans.

Depends what industry you're in, pal. IT is thriving here. I know people here in Sofia who are making ridiculous sums of money in comparison to what would be made back home and as the cost of living is cheap they are living like kings. It's all about analysing the markets and taking advantage of them based on the skills you possess.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32352370

Politically stable, with a strong banking system, Bulgaria is becoming an increasingly popular outsourcing location. Giants such as Boeing, BMW, General Motors, Siemens, and Nortel contract small programming firms in Bulgaria. Bulgaria’s relatively cheap and qualified labor force, along with its low taxes and office rents, provide great benefits for business investors.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/when-a-tou ... echnology/

If you're a farmer here then yeah, life is pretty rubbish and tough, but then it also is for many farmers in the UK who have to put up with the CAP and regulations that come with such. However, most people are not emigrating from the UK to do such jobs. They're either emigrating to take up skilled occupations or to retire.

The places to be in Europe at the moment are the Czech Republic and Hungary. Both of them have falling debts which equates to less costs levied per capita and both of them have great cultures, beautiful women and low taxation. They also receive a lot of money in EU investment money. Also, Budapest and Prague both have either a fairly high quality of life or extremely high. Either way, both put London to shame massively.

Also, you can slate the Balkans all you like, but I'm not the prat being dictated to as to what colour bin I must put my rubbish in. You're the ones living under pure authoritarian rule and an Orwellian society. The Snoopers Charter is only the latest addition to a long line of control the British government wants over the public.

Oh f**k,I've just realised who you are.