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So the economy (money) is the most important thing then? Typical Tory viewpoint.

The world is in the shit that it is in because money (profit) is at the heart of everything.

Money is a man-made ideology that brings out and rewards the worst characteristics of the human psychy.

Capitalism is evil!

I had a look at the BBCs policy guide and I happened across this:

Green Party
Main pledges (Law and order)
Decriminalise cannabis and treat drug addiction as a health problem

I don't think this is common knowledge is it?. They could get a shed load of votes for that alone

Plaid are useless.. would put Wales back 30 years, they have no clue how to run a country.

anyone who doubts Trident, take a look at Russia, North Korea, China .. we need it now more than ever, it has probably stopped 2 more world wars

So the economy (money) is the most important thing then? Typical Tory viewpoint.

The world is in the shit that it is in because money (profit) is at the heart of everything.

Money is a man-made ideology that brings out and rewards the worst characteristics of the human psychy.

Capitalism is evil!

Easy to say that when you are living in a capitalist country through isn't it. I tell you what, spend a year of your life living in a communist country like I have and then see if that changes your viewpoint

Did i say communism was the answer? Don't think i did.

The problem is that people are so indoctrinated into the system that they can't see past the old capitalism v communism v socialism v fascism, etc argument!

There are other ideas out there but people are blind to them as mainstream politics/media do not even acknowledge they exist or ridicule anyone who promotes them.

You all need to open your eyes if you want real change!

such as...?

My opinion is that we should be looking at a resource based economy... for the good of the planet (seeing as we only have one planet and Capitalism is completely screwing with it).

I won't go into detail cos I'd be here typing away for the rest of the afternoon and I know you staunch capatilist types will just mock me for expressing a differing opinion anyway!

Come on Kev, give us the answer to a utopian future. There are considerable problems with capitalism no doubt but there has yet to be a system that has driven the progress of humanity as much. It comes down to a simple truth - how do you motivate people to do anything? personal gain, pain if they don't, the love of your fellow man?

There is no sensible argument for the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

It is only one planet that we have to share... We can never ever use Trident and we all know it.

£100 billion for a deterrent is complete madness when people can't afford to feed their families in one of the richest nations of the world.

So the economy (money) is the most important thing then? Typical Tory viewpoint.

The world is in the shit that it is in because money (profit) is at the heart of everything.

Money is a man-made ideology that brings out and rewards the worst characteristics of the human psychy.

Capitalism is evil!

Easy to say that when you are living in a capitalist country through isn't it. I tell you what, spend a year of your life living in a communist country like I have and then see if that changes your viewpoint

Did i say communism was the answer? Don't think i did.

The problem is that people are so indoctrinated into the system that they can't see past the old capitalism v communism v socialism v fascism, etc argument!

There are other ideas out there but people are blind to them as mainstream politics/media do not even acknowledge they exist or ridicule anyone who promotes them.

You all need to open your eyes if you want real change!

such as...?

My opinion is that we should be looking at a resource based economy... for the good of the planet (seeing as we only have one planet and Capitalism is completely screwing with it).

I won't go into detail cos I'd be here typing away for the rest of the afternoon and I know you staunch capatilist types will just mock me for expressing a differing opinion anyway!

Come on Kev, give us the answer to a utopian future. There are considerable problems with capitalism no doubt but there has yet to be a system that has driven the progress of humanity as much. It comes down to a simple truth - how do you motivate people to do anything? personal gain, pain if they don't, the love of your fellow man?

To suggest that people are motivated solely by money is absurd!

You have a relative die of cancer and you'd have a genuine interest in finding a cure.

You have a family member going hungry and you'd have a genuine interest in learning how to cultivate food.

There are more motivating factors than just money! Do you think Stephen Hawking's career has been motivated by money? There are plenty of examples.

So the economy (money) is the most important thing then? Typical Tory viewpoint.

The world is in the shit that it is in because money (profit) is at the heart of everything.

Money is a man-made ideology that brings out and rewards the worst characteristics of the human psychy.

Capitalism is evil!

Easy to say that when you are living in a capitalist country through isn't it. I tell you what, spend a year of your life living in a communist country like I have and then see if that changes your viewpoint

Did i say communism was the answer? Don't think i did.

The problem is that people are so indoctrinated into the system that they can't see past the old capitalism v communism v socialism v fascism, etc argument!

There are other ideas out there but people are blind to them as mainstream politics/media do not even acknowledge they exist or ridicule anyone who promotes them.

You all need to open your eyes if you want real change!

such as...?

My opinion is that we should be looking at a resource based economy... for the good of the planet (seeing as we only have one planet and Capitalism is completely screwing with it).

I won't go into detail cos I'd be here typing away for the rest of the afternoon and I know you staunch capatilist types will just mock me for expressing a differing opinion anyway!

Come on Kev, give us the answer to a utopian future. There are considerable problems with capitalism no doubt but there has yet to be a system that has driven the progress of humanity as much. It comes down to a simple truth - how do you motivate people to do anything? personal gain, pain if they don't, the love of your fellow man?

To suggest that people are motivated solely by money is absurd!

You have a relative die of cancer and you'd have a genuine interest in finding a cure.

You have a family member going hungry and you'd have a genuine interest in learning how to cultivate food.

There are more motivating factors than just money! Do you think Stephen Hawking's career has been motivated by money? There are plenty of examples.

Nowhere have i suggested money is the only motivating factor, of course different people are motivated by different things but a system of governance can facilitate or hinder people, for all the ills of capitalism many people are motivated by a comfortable life for themselves and their families. What you describe above is an incoherent mess where everyone's motives are based on personal affliction, It is not useful if everyone that has a relative with cancer tries "finding a cure". In the end money fills the gaps in motivation that the lack of personal affliction creates. It is not perfect but i am yet to hear of your utopian answer

Some interesting opinions on here around maintaining a Nuclear 'deterrent.'

The only reason we've needed a deterrent is because of Britain's foreign policy (for pretty much the past 500 years!) We are addicted to this notion that in order to be respected on the world stage we have to have a strong military. Always acting alongside the US as the worlds policeman, always poking our nose into other nations affairs - usually when there are oil deals at stake...

It's funny how nations like Switzerland, Sweden and Ireland have no need for Nuclear weapons or indeed a large, hugely expensive military at all. Strange huh? Could it be anything to do with these countries not getting involved in international dick waving competitions with other nations?

Our little wind blown island in the North Atlantic has the fourth highest military spend on the planet. It's absurd. If we decided, as a nation, to adopt a position of international neutrality (yeah, I know the Daily Mail, The Sun and timewarp over macho simpleton types won't like it), we could properly fund the health service and have a world class education system. Our civilian population would also be a lot safer at home and abroad if we stopped meddling in the Middle East and behaving like Americas patsy.

It's time to stop all the billy big bollocks, rule Brittania, imperial Brit stuff. Instead, let's have domestic public services that are genuinely fit for purpose.

Ideas as strong as a bag of sand !!!

Change your name to 'voiceofnoreason' ffs Barnett

Some interesting opinions on here around maintaining a Nuclear 'deterrent.'

The only reason we've needed a deterrent is because of Britain's foreign policy (for pretty much the past 500 years!) We are addicted to this notion that in order to be respected on the world stage we have to have a strong military. Always acting alongside the US as the worlds policeman, always poking our nose into other nations affairs - usually when there are oil deals at stake...

It's funny how nations like Switzerland, Sweden and Ireland have no need for Nuclear weapons or indeed a large, hugely expensive military at all. Strange huh? Could it be anything to do with these countries not getting involved in international dick waving competitions with other nations?

Our little wind blown island in the North Atlantic has the fourth highest military spend on the planet. It's absurd. If we decided, as a nation, to adopt a position of international neutrality (yeah, I know the Daily Mail, The Sun and timewarp over macho simpleton types won't like it), we could properly fund the health service and have a world class education system. Our civilian population would also be a lot safer at home and abroad if we stopped meddling in the Middle East and behaving like Americas
patsy.

Probably one of the best posts I've seen on this site in a long time. Of course the right wing Brit mob on here won't see it that way, but, well said.

It's time to stop all the billy big bollocks, rule Brittania, imperial Brit stuff. Instead, let's have domestic public services that are genuinely fit for purpose.

Ideas as strong as a bag of sand !!!

Change your name to 'voiceofnoreason' ffs Barnett

I'd expect no different a reaction from somebody who was/is presumably in the armed forces.

You just do as your told and don't question the status quo. There's a good boy.

So the economy (money) is the most important thing then? Typical Tory viewpoint.

The world is in the shit that it is in because money (profit) is at the heart of everything.

Money is a man-made ideology that brings out and rewards the worst characteristics of the human psychy.

Capitalism is evil!

Easy to say that when you are living in a capitalist country through isn't it. I tell you what, spend a year of your life living in a communist country like I have and then see if that changes your viewpoint

Did i say communism was the answer? Don't think i did.

The problem is that people are so indoctrinated into the system that they can't see past the old capitalism v communism v socialism v fascism, etc argument!

There are other ideas out there but people are blind to them as mainstream politics/media do not even acknowledge they exist or ridicule anyone who promotes them.

You all need to open your eyes if you want real change!

such as...?

My opinion is that we should be looking at a resource based economy... for the good of the planet (seeing as we only have one planet and Capitalism is completely screwing with it).

I won't go into detail cos I'd be here typing away for the rest of the afternoon and I know you staunch capatilist types will just mock me for expressing a differing opinion anyway!

Come on Kev, give us the answer to a utopian future. There are considerable problems with capitalism no doubt but there has yet to be a system that has driven the progress of humanity as much. It comes down to a simple truth - how do you motivate people to do anything? personal gain, pain if they don't, the love of your fellow man?

To suggest that people are motivated solely by money is absurd!

You have a relative die of cancer and you'd have a genuine interest in finding a cure.

You have a family member going hungry and you'd have a genuine interest in learning how to cultivate food.

There are more motivating factors than just money! Do you think Stephen Hawking's career has been motivated by money? There are plenty of examples.

Nowhere have i suggested money is the only motivating factor, of course different people are motivated by different things but a system of governance can facilitate or hinder people, for all the ills of capitalism many people are motivated by a comfortable life for themselves and their families. What you describe above is an incoherent mess where everyone's motives are based on personal affliction, It is not useful if everyone that has a relative with cancer tries "finding a cure". In the end money fills the gaps in motivation that the lack of personal affliction creates. It is not perfect but i am yet to hear of your utopian answer

I'm not suggesting that motives will be solely based on personal afflictions. I was just demonstrating that money is not the only factor.

I genuinely believe that if you take away the competetive nature of capitalism and allow people more personal freedom that humanity would shine through and people would WANT to contribute to a society that they have a genuine stake in.

I may be living with the fairies but I'm sure we can all agree that capitalism doesn't work for the majority. People wouldn't be dying everyday of curable diseases if it did. People wouldn't be going hungry. People wouldn't be homeless. People wouldn't feel disengaged... I could go on forever!

Some interesting opinions on here around maintaining a Nuclear 'deterrent.'

The only reason we've needed a deterrent is because of Britain's foreign policy (for pretty much the past 500 years!) We are addicted to this notion that in order to be respected on the world stage we have to have a strong military. Always acting alongside the US as the worlds policeman, always poking our nose into other nations affairs - usually when there are oil deals at stake...

It's funny how nations like Switzerland, Sweden and Ireland have no need for Nuclear weapons or indeed a large, hugely expensive military at all. Strange huh? Could it be anything to do with these countries not getting involved in international dick waving competitions with other nations?

Our little wind blown island in the North Atlantic has the fourth highest military spend on the planet. It's absurd. If we decided, as a nation, to adopt a position of international neutrality (yeah, I know the Daily Mail, The Sun and timewarp over macho simpleton types won't like it), we could properly fund the health service and have a world class education system. Our civilian population would also be a lot safer at home and abroad if we stopped meddling in the Middle East and behaving like Americas patsy.

It's time to stop all the billy big bollocks, rule Brittania, imperial Brit stuff. Instead, let's have domestic public services that are genuinely fit for purpose.

Finally, someone talking some sense!

Spot on with this post!

How any Welshman can happily vote Tory is beyond me given how much they've pulverised this country, not just in history but over the last 5 years

Think what you are doing if you plan to vote UKIP. Nothing more than an English Nationalist Party

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Jesus H Christ the scaremongering is working. There are people in South Wales of all places, considering voting for UKIP!!! Keir Hardie must be turning in his grave. Shameful.

Why is Plaid in the poll twice ? UKIP for me

:laughing6: dull buggers voting UKIP

[quote="alfie sherwood"]Some interesting opinions on here around maintaining a Nuclear 'deterrent.'

The only reason we've needed a deterrent is because of Britain's foreign policy (for pretty much the past 500 years!) We are addicted to this notion that in order to be respected on the world stage we have to have a strong military. Always acting alongside the US as the worlds policeman, always poking our nose into other nations affairs - usually when there are oil deals at stake...

It's funny how nations like Switzerland, Sweden and Ireland have no need for Nuclear weapons or indeed a large, hugely expensive military at all. Strange huh? Could it be anything to do with these countries not getting involved in international dick waving competitions with other nations?

Our little wind blown island in the North Atlantic has the fourth highest military spend on the planet. It's absurd. If we decided, as a nation, to adopt a position of international neutrality (yeah, I know the Daily Mail, The Sun and timewarp over macho simpleton types won't like it), we could properly fund the health service and have a world class education system. Our civilian population would also be a lot safer at home and abroad if we stopped meddling in the Middle East and behaving like Americas patsy.

Best statement I've seen on here In a long time!
And as for we need a nuclear deterrent.
Our missiles are not even independent of America (We can't even launch ours without the yanks say so) so if God forbid that Russia/China launched a first strike on America we wouldn't be able to do f**k all anyway.

Who will get your vote

There is no option for None of the Above as that is what I would choose

So the economy (money) is the most important thing then? Typical Tory viewpoint.

The world is in the shit that it is in because money (profit) is at the heart of everything.

Money is a man-made ideology that brings out and rewards the worst characteristics of the human psychy.

Capitalism is evil!

Evil and a con. Have a look at this excerpt from The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressell. It highlights how clever capitalists exploit, without conscience, the less well educated working classes. It's called The Great Money Trick. Still every bit as true today.

https://docs.google.com/document/edit?i ... kErs&pli=1

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I am with UKIP all the way. But voting for UKIP would let Labour in and that would be dangerous for our economy and we need Trident now more than ever. I don't trust Milliband at all he stabbed his own brother in the back to get the leadership so stabbing the country in the back for him to become PM is dangerous. So it will have to be the Tories for me despite me believing Cameron is a right tw*t.

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Should read I took a well paid job of a British born citizen!

It's quite incredible that over 60% are planning to vote for right wing parties. One things for sure though, voting UKIP in South Wales will guarantee Labour do well once more.

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Should read I took a well paid job of a British born citizen!

What, like Manga, Fabio, Gunnarsson etc?

UKIP all the way

I am with UKIP all the way. But voting for UKIP would let Labour in and that would be dangerous for our economy and we need Trident now more than ever. I don't trust Milliband at all he stabbed his own brother in the back to get the leadership so stabbing the country in the back for him to become PM is dangerous. So it will have to be the Tories for me despite me believing Cameron is a right tw*t.

I'm missing something here. They ran against each other for the leadership and Ed won. Where was the stabbing?

I am with UKIP all the way. But voting for UKIP would let Labour in and that would be dangerous for our economy and we need Trident now more than ever. I don't trust Milliband at all he stabbed his own brother in the back to get the leadership so stabbing the country in the back for him to become PM is dangerous. So it will have to be the Tories for me despite me believing Cameron is a right tw*t.

If you're worried that Cameron is right wing, for goodness sake Farage is further to the right!!!

The EU has destroyed our fishing industry, and mugs like me now go fishing more in hope than anticipation of catching a cod, the Spanish are hoovering up the lot.

James Dyson says we can do without the EU, thats good enough for me.