" VINCENT TAN/RUSSELL SLADE "

Before the trip to the FA Cup Final in 2008, how many season tickets were we selling then?

This is our first season since then where we haven't had anything to play for - usually promotion/playoffs but last year the Premier League/relegation.

Will we sell more than at the start of the 2007-8 season?

Surely you or Carl can find that figure out Annis?

No ambition = i aint renewing, will go when i want

I agree and disagree.

1000s of fans gave up on the rebrand.
This got dwarfed by the new fans and ignored by many.

Passionate fans who will never come back. Plus their kids.

This was predicted by fans on this message board years ago.

We have lost quite a lot of old loyals and the premier fans so the drop off in fans will be much more noticeable next season.

Tickets for twenty will help.

I didn't buy a ST this season but am going to 116/117 next season with ST.

We will be blue with bluebird badge with a wanker in charge and a half empty stadium.
Sound familiar anyone?

Why is there no ambition is letting a player who is leaving next year go now rather than then?

Unless Annis you're advocating keeping Jones beyond his current deal

Of the players we've lost how many are we truly gutted about? Dæhli? Le Fondre? Is that it?

As cost cutting goes it's been pretty good and many Slade has brought in seem to have be at a decent level (how much was Kennedy?). Sure we'll lose Manga but we all know he deserves to be playing at a top level and I'd rather have a solid season making the club financially sound than have a transfer embargo next Jan.

As much as I want to be I the Prem with good players we have to be realistic,we are now cutting our cloth accordingly.A few seasons in this league all be it mid-table wont hurt us.
As for the fans either they want to come or they don't,we are what we are.

KJ has taken some terrible stick on here rightly or wrongly,now he's gone on loan (and I don't think he'll wear a city shirt again) people are moaning.

By the way when we sell Manga at the end of the season,whats the difference between him and when we sold Caulker?

Totally agree ,some fans seem to want it all ways the club is dammed whatever it does ,people should just wait to see what happens in the summer think we will have a team of grafters next season. Like the old days

As much as I want to be I the Prem with good players we have to be realistic,we are now cutting our cloth accordingly.A few seasons in this league all be it mid-table wont hurt us.
As for the fans either they want to come or they don't,we are what we are.

KJ has taken some terrible stick on here rightly or wrongly,now he's gone on loan (and I don't think he'll wear a city shirt again) people are moaning.

By the way when we sell Manga at the end of the season,whats the difference between him and when we sold Caulker?

Totally agree ,some fans seem to want it all ways the club is dammed whatever it does ,people should just wait to see what happens in the summer think we will have a team of grafters next season. Like the old days

The club could help by improving the match day experience.

Let's us stand and support and pay reasonable prices for the privilege

" TAN/SLADE DONT EXPECT FANS TO PAY HIGH PRICES & SEASON TICKETS "

Vincent Tan/ Russell Slade Keep saying its business decision,after business decision,getting rid of our best players.
So dont expect fans to buy season tickets or pay £32 plus admission.

Russell Slade has been put in charge to carry out all Tans demands and has known from day one,what Tan wants,So no one should feel sorry for Slade as only a manager with No ambition in " my opinion " would take on a club that only intends to get rid of all its best players and have No Ambition to go back up.

You cant have it both ways?

City Fans are still fuming over the Rebrand and the Club not caring,now for the last 3 months they have continually seen many of our best players go.

I can sometimes understand why Season Ticket Sales are at an all time low in the last 10 years.

if you buy a season ticket it's nearly half the price which ain't to bad

Wez, If you got to every game, Most fans have not bothered this season and thats a fact.

thousands of St holders dont bother every game and has been same for many years (except last) so thats their loss paying for something and not using it!

Wrong Allan, I know the pure facts.

A couple of thousand dont go to every game,but not an average of near 6,000 fans and our lowest pre-sales for 10 years

Sorry annis every man and his dog knows there is nowhere near the crowd announced every game! So logic says its season ticket holders who are not there! Like said their loss as payed up front, you were the most outspoken about debt now its being addressed thats not right? As some have said cant have it both ways, its also plain to see that we have thousands of fair weather fans who do not want to watch the team in championship but only in premier, dont tell me we wont have 20k ST holders if we get back to prem next season?

As much as I want to be I the Prem with good players we have to be realistic,we are now cutting our cloth accordingly.A few seasons in this league all be it mid-table wont hurt us.
As for the fans either they want to come or they don't,we are what we are.

KJ has taken some terrible stick on here rightly or wrongly,now he's gone on loan (and I don't think he'll wear a city shirt again) people are moaning.

By the way when we sell Manga at the end of the season,whats the difference between him and when we sold Caulker?

Totally agree ,some fans seem to want it all ways the club is dammed whatever it does ,people should just wait to see what happens in the summer think we will have a team of grafters next season. Like the old days

The club could help by improving the match day experience.

Let's us stand and support and pay reasonable prices for the privilege

don't they have bands before games ????? Not many clubs do that ,it's up to the fans to create a atmosphere too many moaners at the ccs now days

As much as I want to be I the Prem with good players we have to be realistic,we are now cutting our cloth accordingly.A few seasons in this league all be it mid-table wont hurt us.
As for the fans either they want to come or they don't,we are what we are.

KJ has taken some terrible stick on here rightly or wrongly,now he's gone on loan (and I don't think he'll wear a city shirt again) people are moaning.

By the way when we sell Manga at the end of the season,whats the difference between him and when we sold Caulker?

Totally agree ,some fans seem to want it all ways the club is dammed whatever it does ,people should just wait to see what happens in the summer think we will have a team of grafters next season. Like the old days

The club could help by improving the match day experience.

Let's us stand and support and pay reasonable prices for the privilege

don't they have bands before games ????? Not many clubs do that ,it's up to the fans to create a atmosphere too many moaners at the ccs now days

my son goes in early to hear bands under canton stand

As much as I want to be I the Prem with good players we have to be realistic,we are now cutting our cloth accordingly.A few seasons in this league all be it mid-table wont hurt us.
As for the fans either they want to come or they don't,we are what we are.

KJ has taken some terrible stick on here rightly or wrongly,now he's gone on loan (and I don't think he'll wear a city shirt again) people are moaning.

By the way when we sell Manga at the end of the season,whats the difference between him and when we sold Caulker?

Totally agree ,some fans seem to want it all ways the club is dammed whatever it does ,people should just wait to see what happens in the summer think we will have a team of grafters next season. Like the old days

The club could help by improving the match day experience.

Let's us stand and support and pay reasonable prices for the privilege

don't they have bands before games ????? Not many clubs do that ,it's up to the fans to create a atmosphere too many moaners at the ccs now days

Agreed - but most clubs have drums but we were too snobby for that idea.
When u have stewards constantly inspecting and eyes in the skies turning us into sit down robots, it can have an impact on volume over time.

As much as I want to be I the Prem with good players we have to be realistic,we are now cutting our cloth accordingly.A few seasons in this league all be it mid-table wont hurt us.
As for the fans either they want to come or they don't,we are what we are.

KJ has taken some terrible stick on here rightly or wrongly,now he's gone on loan (and I don't think he'll wear a city shirt again) people are moaning.

By the way when we sell Manga at the end of the season,whats the difference between him and when we sold Caulker?

Totally agree ,some fans seem to want it all ways the club is dammed whatever it does ,people should just wait to see what happens in the summer think we will have a team of grafters next season. Like the old days

The club could help by improving the match day experience.

Let's us stand and support and pay reasonable prices for the privilege

don't they have bands before games ????? Not many clubs do that ,it's up to the fans to create a atmosphere too many moaners at the ccs now days

Agreed - but most clubs have drums but we were too snobby for that idea.
When u have stewards constantly inspecting and eyes in the skies turning us into sit down robots, it can have an impact on volume over time.

we tried the drums but loads moaned about it ,it's up to the fans to make the atmosphere ,but most Cardiff city fans are too busy moaning these days like a bunch of tarts ,leave the politics for the club a d support the team on the pitch we are back In blue now thought that would get people back but it's oblivious that it was just an excuse

Firstly we never had 20k season ticket holders the true number was only just over 16k , as stated by annis
most on here had priorities in this order
1 colours now we have them back
2 badge now we have a new one more inkeeping with our tradition
3 debt now we are addressing our debt our fans on here are still not happy
4 playing performance just starting to get that right aswell still the fans moan
5 giving the young players a chance now we are moving regular starters out who are on high wages creating an opportunity for others to start fans still moaning ,
6 squad size and wage bill
now both being reduced fans still moaning
7 cost of supporting our club through season tickets , now been reduced ( 2adults 2 kids for £ 700 ) other reductions aswell , still they moan
theres a theme here
doesnt look like the club can please some of our SO CALLED SUPORTERS can they
for me sorry to say it but it appears that its the same people moaning all the time
if your not a season ticket holder or a regular walk up fan or away fan now or next season imo your oppinion dont count

Last edited by troobloo3339 on Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Why is there no ambition is letting a player who is leaving next year go now rather than then?

Unless Annis you're advocating keeping Jones beyond his current deal

Of the players we've lost how many are we truly gutted about? Dæhli? Le Fondre? Is that it?

As cost cutting goes it's been pretty good and many Slade has brought in seem to have be at a decent level (how much was Kennedy?). Sure we'll lose Manga but we all know he deserves to be playing at a top level and I'd rather have a solid season making the club financially sound than have a transfer embargo next Jan.

Jones, has another year left. Its not just Jones were on about,if it was I would understand
For the last 6 months, we have seen player after player go,if I am wrong,why is our ground empty ? ? ?

Is that right Annis ? I was under the impression he was out of contract at the end of this season ? Im not sure mind just suspected it

I was under the impression that we swapped him and Odemwingie, just taking over both players contracts that was exact same length of time. Odemwingies is up at end of this season so i suspect Jones is also up

Why is there no ambition is letting a player who is leaving next year go now rather than then?

Unless Annis you're advocating keeping Jones beyond his current deal

Of the players we've lost how many are we truly gutted about? Dæhli? Le Fondre? Is that it?

As cost cutting goes it's been pretty good and many Slade has brought in seem to have be at a decent level (how much was Kennedy?). Sure we'll lose Manga but we all know he deserves to be playing at a top level and I'd rather have a solid season making the club financially sound than have a transfer embargo next Jan.

Jones, has another year left. Its not just Jones were on about,if it was I would understand
For the last 6 months, we have seen player after player go,if I am wrong,why is our ground empty ? ? ?

Is that right Annis ? I was under the impression he was out of contract at the end of this season ? Im not sure mind just suspected it

G, I asked Rob Phillips and he reckons we gave Jones an extra year? ?

Firstly we never had 20k season ticket holders the true number was only just over 16k , as stated by annis
most on here had priorities in this order
1 colours now we have them back
2 badge now we have a new one more inkeeping with our tradition
3 debt now we are addressing our debt our fans on here are still not happy
4 playing performance just starting to get that right aswell still the fans moan
5 giving the young players a chance now we are moving regular starters out who are on high wages creating an opportunity for others to start fans still moaning ,
6 squad size and wage bill
now both being reduced fans still moaning
7 cost of supporting our club through season tickets , now been reduced ( 2adults 2 kids for £ 700 ) other reductions aswell , still they moan
theres a theme here
doesnt look like the club can please some of our SO CALLED SUPORTERS can they
for me sorry to say it but it appears that its the same people moaning all the time
if your not a season ticket holder or a regular walk up fan or away fan now or next season imo your oppinion dont count

Come on now there's to much truth in that post

That is absolutely crazy if Rob got it right. Strange how the club didn't announce it mind like other contract renewals

That is absolutely crazy if Rob got it right. Strange how the club didn't announce it mind like other contract renewals

I thought the extra year was an option maybe why he's gone ouT on loan too ,so we don't have to take the option Up

Thing is we need to cut out cloth accordingly.

Loaning out Connolly and Jones could be saving us around a million pound, maybe more. Money that could go towards squad restructure next season and let's be honest we don't need either player for the remaining few games.
For once I think things are being done correctly.

Luke, Gabbidon has so far cost us about £150,000 is that good business?

Annis I think it's clear we overspend in the summer and some players like gabbidon were mistakes but since then we have made good cut back and the loans out could easily save us 1m and connolly and Jones are not needed at this point in the season for us.

You have said about the debt and Jones wages before, the clubs are rightly making the cut backs as our season is finished.

I agree about Kenwyne Jones, But in the last 6 months, you yourself personally have continually slated Slades football and to be fair your right,so how can the club expect fans to pay to watch them, with whats going on?

I do not rate slade at all and think we will struggle next year unless he is replaced but fully back the cut backs especially at the point in the season when we have nothing to play for.

Think VT should look at Rick Wright's pay as we play based on league position model coupled with the Junior Bluebird tokens in the Echo. Walk in crowd will be next seasons core support crowd that need insentive to attend home games.

Wez 1927, ....how can you say we are competitive when we are closer to going down than going up.
Selling players to make his money back, so he regains some of his losses !!!

Wez 1927, ....how can you say we are competitive when we are closer to going down than going up.
Selling players to make his money back, so he regains some of his losses !!!

last 11 games we've turned the corner ,even know we've sold a lot of players

" TAN/SLADE DONT EXPECT FANS TO PAY HIGH PRICES & SEASON TICKETS "

Vincent Tan/ Russell Slade Keep saying its business decision,after business decision,getting rid of our best players.
So dont expect fans to buy season tickets or pay £32 plus admission.

Russell Slade has been put in charge to carry out all Tans demands and has known from day one,what Tan wants,So no one should feel sorry for Slade as only a manager with No ambition in " my opinion " would take on a club that only intends to get rid of all its best players and have No Ambition to go back up.

You cant have it both ways?

City Fans are still fuming over the Rebrand and the Club not caring,now for the last 3 months they have continually seen many of our best players go.

I can sometimes understand why Season Ticket Sales are at an all time low in the last 10 years.

if you buy a season ticket it's nearly half the price which ain't to bad

Wez, If you got to every game, Most fans have not bothered this season and thats a fact.

That's their choice though.
Prices are cut for next year so costs need to be cut as we'll especially with so many fans abandoning the club.
CCFC have to comply with FFS same as everyone else.

Slade is here to cut costs and is doing a good job of it.
Millions off the wage bill and still competitive.

Tim,

Your right,the choice is theirs,but do we really want to have a near empty stadium next season? ?

The stadium will be half empty because the people not renewing and the people not turning up for games are, in the main, NOT Cardiff City supporters. They are football supporters who have an interest in Cardiff City, particularly when we are doing well such as getting to Wembley four times and gaining promotion to the Premier League. The support our Club gets from the City of Cardiff itself is pitiful and pathetic. A City of some 320,000 people should be able to provide 25,000 fans EVERY game without the need for support from the Valleys and other areas outside of Cardiff. Instead of supporting THEIR local football club they spend their time down the pub supporting the Mancs and the Scousers. You support YOUR football club because they are YOUR football club....not just when they are doing well only to piss off during the bad times.

fair play I've been outed. I have an interest and nothing more. But hopefully my boy will grow up with closer ties to club than I do.

Why is there no ambition is letting a player who is leaving next year go now rather than then?

Unless Annis you're advocating keeping Jones beyond his current deal

Of the players we've lost how many are we truly gutted about? Dæhli? Le Fondre? Is that it?

As cost cutting goes it's been pretty good and many Slade has brought in seem to have be at a decent level (how much was Kennedy?). Sure we'll lose Manga but we all know he deserves to be playing at a top level and I'd rather have a solid season making the club financially sound than have a transfer embargo next Jan.

Jones, has another year left. Its not just Jones were on about,if it was I would understand
For the last 6 months, we have seen player after player go,if I am wrong,why is our ground empty ? ? ?

Jones tweeted thanking us Cardiff fans saying "it's been a pleasure" odd phrasing for a guy with time on his contract (transfer markt had him down as finishing his contract this season also, but it's changed to reflect his loan now).

We've seen players go and our ground is emptier? How does that make it related? We've turned back from red, our ground is empty is that related?

Of the players who have gone, who are we missing? Dæhli? Everyone else was surpluss or we've replaced pretty well. Plus Ralls, Harris and Kennedy representing a younger group of players coming through.

STs have gone down, because historically Cardiff aren't that well supported and those new fans are falling away now we've slipped back, added with being run by a dick like a clown for three years alienating die hard fans also, this slip isn't a suprise or a huge mystery.

Will the club look to close 2/3 of the stadium next season, as we can't expect much more than 7k or 8k home crowds next season, that will leave 25k empty seats

Yes our season is long finished. A complete shambles... Only positive is we have pretty much managed to not get relegated.


My concern is that next season will also be a stalemate. What are we doing with the parachute payments? They are supposed to help with the costs of relegation..

The club are putting up for sale the likes of fabio and manga who we should be building a foundation around.. I'd rather us lose Connolly, turner and Morrison instead of manga.. We should be showing ambition and desire.. The club should be enticing the fans next season by saying the club would like to think it can challenge for the top 6, Not let's fire sale all our best players and bring in youth and lower league. That will result in certain relegation battle. They are writing next season off before it starts. This is why I think so many are not renewing. Not because they want or expect top football but they don't want to hear the negativity around the club. Football is a results business. Yes we have our hardcore following who have been here there and everywhere, but if the results and ambition, or want and a will to succeed is not present then fans will not turn up..

To get the season ticket sales increasing the club need to do something that gives the fans a lift and a genuine reason to want to be there next season.. Because at the moment 20000 don't want to and that is a cause for concern....

" TAN/SLADE DONT EXPECT FANS TO PAY HIGH PRICES & SEASON TICKETS "

Vincent Tan/ Russell Slade Keep saying its business decision,after business decision,getting rid of our best players.
So dont expect fans to buy season tickets or pay £32 plus admission.

Russell Slade has been put in charge to carry out all Tans demands and has known from day one,what Tan wants,So no one should feel sorry for Slade as only a manager with No ambition in " my opinion " would take on a club that only intends to get rid of all its best players and have No Ambition to go back up.

You cant have it both ways?

City Fans are still fuming over the Rebrand and the Club not caring,now for the last 3 months they have continually seen many of our best players go.

I can sometimes understand why Season Ticket Sales are at an all time low in the last 10 years.

if you buy a season ticket it's nearly half the price which ain't to bad

Wez, If you got to every game, Most fans have not bothered this season and thats a fact.

That's their choice though.
Prices are cut for next year so costs need to be cut as we'll especially with so many fans abandoning the club.
CCFC have to comply with FFS same as everyone else.

Slade is here to cut costs and is doing a good job of it.
Millions off the wage bill and still competitive.

Tim,

Your right,the choice is theirs,but do we really want to have a near empty stadium next season? ?

The stadium will be half empty because the people not renewing and the people not turning up for games are, in the main, NOT Cardiff City supporters. They are football supporters who have an interest in Cardiff City, particularly when we are doing well such as getting to Wembley four times and gaining promotion to the Premier League. The support our Club gets from the City of Cardiff itself is pitiful and pathetic. A City of some 320,000 people should be able to provide 25,000 fans EVERY game without the need for support from the Valleys and other areas outside of Cardiff. Instead of supporting THEIR local football club they spend their time down the pub supporting the Mancs and the Scousers. You support YOUR football club because they are YOUR football club....not just when they are doing well only to piss off during the bad times.

Good post!

Yes our season is long finished. A complete shambles... Only positive is we have pretty much managed to not get relegated.


My concern is that next season will also be a stalemate. What are we doing with the parachute payments? They are supposed to help with the costs of relegation..

The club are putting up for sale the likes of fabio and manga who we should be building a foundation around.. I'd rather us lose Connolly, turner and Morrison instead of manga.. We should be showing ambition and desire.. The club should be enticing the fans next season by saying the club would like to think it can challenge for the top 6, Not let's fire sale all our best players and bring in youth and lower league. That will result in certain relegation battle. They are writing next season off before it starts. This is why I think so many are not renewing. Not because they want or expect top football but they don't want to hear the negativity around the club. Football is a results business.



To get the season ticket sales increasing the club need to do something that gives the fans a lift and a genuine reason to want to be there next season.. Because at the moment 20000 don't want to and that is a cause for concern....

You are right on the money. Some of the posts suggest that the majority of fans are fair weather, it's not just the City, so many other clubs have the same issue and football just ain't what it used to be, so there will be other things competing not just for our money but our time.

As far as VT is concerned, we have to tip our hat to him because he saved the club. I don't recall anyone asking him to throw away £170 million though. The trouble is much was promised , it was delivered then taken away from us again.it is going to take a while to restore the confidence and get the crowds back

Thing is we need to cut out cloth accordingly.

Loaning out Connolly and Jones could be saving us around a million pound, maybe more. Money that could go towards squad restructure next season and let's be honest we don't need either player for the remaining few games.
For once I think things are being done correctly.

In a way I agree but it's the way Tan has gone about business. He has run this one very badly as it is just a play thing. Russell Slade is as Annis said it. Don't like him don't like his football, and he is just Tans bitch who has given him a job that he otherwise would never have, he would be on the football managers scrap heap. But I agree we need to cut cloth and we need to start again but do it properly. Slades football ain't the start its desperate. Get a good young hungry manager in that wants to play the game the right way, then we will be moving forward. And getting rid of Jones is good news in my book.

Why is there no ambition is letting a player who is leaving next year go now rather than then?

Unless Annis you're advocating keeping Jones beyond his current deal

Of the players we've lost how many are we truly gutted about? Dæhli? Le Fondre? Is that it?

As cost cutting goes it's been pretty good and many Slade has brought in seem to have be at a decent level (how much was Kennedy?). Sure we'll lose Manga but we all know he deserves to be playing at a top level and I'd rather have a solid season making the club financially sound than have a transfer embargo next Jan.

Jones, has another year left. Its not just Jones were on about,if it was I would understand
For the last 6 months, we have seen player after player go,if I am wrong,why is our ground empty ? ? ?

Jones tweeted thanking us Cardiff fans saying "it's been a pleasure"

Of course it was his pleasure, his last big salary of his career signed off by clowns