" FRIGHTENING "

A Club needs its fans and thats what is frightening.

How many will be there next season?

I didn't think it would happen but if you look back each year we have had something to build on, new stadium, play offs etc. Now we are having a bad patch, that's football. Boro had similar and were only getting 15,000 and I think we will be same, no shame in that.

True, we always had something happening in the past and thats how City built up their season ticket sales.

Some are becoming obsessed with our crowds, looking in the programme, they had a copy of the 85/6 programme when we played Bournemouth, crowds varied from 2500-5,000 max, shows how far we have come.

myself and my son couldn't make last night....reason being im going through a shit time, lack of funds to put petrol in the car or to even get the train....i offered my season tickets to my mates ...i even put it on facebook ...couldn't even give them away for free,

I think it's more of the modern football thing ,match day experience is just not the same ,over the years there's always been a protest of some sort

Up until the last few home games, the crowd has been announced as around 22,000. It's now announced as 19,000+ so if they automatically add the ST's already purchased, as they do, then that tells us that a couple of thousand actual ticket buying fans are now not bothering to turn up.

The main problem, I believe, is Slade. Rightly or wrongly, people don't like him, don't like his football or see any future way forward under him. Just saying.

i dont understand why people keep saying the empty seats is due to unattractive football, there are many reasons fans are not turning, for me personally, rising costs in life have prevented me from going since 2/3 years ago now. £20 for a ticket may sound nice, but when you got to pay for the family to go, and thats travel, food/drink for the day ect, it gets a bit much.

Ckubs need to realise that fans simply cannot afford the prices charged for tickets, food and drink nor have the inclination to when they've had to fight to get their club back to a recognizable point.

Wages rising continuously where the working mans salary is shrinking doesn't help.

Football is dying simple as that.

If the club hadnt shit all over its fans the attendances wouldn't be this bad

Were mid-table in the championship. Our crowds reflect that. Nothing new under the sun.

Ipswich going for playoffs16 932 wolves18 687 its the same at all clubs

Some are becoming obsessed with our crowds, looking in the programme, they had a copy of the 85/6 programme when we played Bournemouth, crowds varied from 2500-5,000 max, shows how far we have come.

I was looking at that, too. Those old programmes, (inside the current one), are good. As you say, it shows exactly how far we've come in the last ten to fifteen years. I started watching the City in the late 60s, when 20k crowds were the norm. Then, for many years it was low crowds in divisions 3 and 4, with the occasional big gate. Over the years, our attendances have simply reflected where we are in the league. Same as now.

Ipswich going for playoffs16 932 wolves18 687 its the same at all clubs

Exactly. Midweek games have a certain romance, but when it's freezing cold, like last night, and were mid-table, crowds will be lower.

Our ground is way way to big for the size of club, it's ridiculous, we need to close off stands next season, but I still reckon we will see at least 10,000 in the stadium for most games

Get rid of Slade and they will come

"Go back to blue" and we will turn up
"Change the badge " and we will turn up

Not happened!

Laughable isn't it
Now it's the football they care about

While i'm delighted to be back in Blue as soon as possible I cant help but feel the club missed a trick, the promise of a home kit next season would have got more people on board in my opinion.

Were mid-table in the championship. Our crowds reflect that. Nothing new under the sun.

Correct but I also think a lot are staying away due to their complete dislike of Slade & cannot envisage him building for the future.

Were mid-table in the championship. Our crowds reflect that. Nothing new under the sun.

Correct but I also think a lot are staying away due to their complete dislike of Slade & cannot envisage him building for the future.[/quote

Not sure about that. Doubt if simply changing managers would add many to the gate. Think part of it is that we've been to the Premier League, two cup finals, so there's nothing much to tempt the fair weather fans just now. There are loads of excuses, but still think that it's all about the performances on the pitch, really. Any new manager would have to have us right up there for the stay aways to return. In the meantime, it's up to us!

Those staying away will simply blame a multitude of things that they feel will 'justify' their actions, when the simple mood appears to be one of apathy and/or plain mischief!

It is more sad than laughable how so many of the more vehement "back to blue or no renew" merchants have either faded away quietly or simply found another 'reason' not to attend games at the CCS!

Some of these people (there are some notable exceptions) had NO INTENTION of returning to the fold, yet they caused the maximum amount of damage along the way!

Sadly, it is an indictment of the times that some people would rather sit back and mock from afar with little true knowledge of events and/or little incentive to get off their own arses to make a difference themselves!

Strewth, you only have to watch Gogglebox to see into the crazy world of the 'Couch Potato' and (whilst mildly amusing in places) it's pretty scary stuff when you analyse some of the participants and their thoughts!

Ckubs need to realise that fans simply cannot afford the prices charged for tickets, food and drink nor have the inclination to when they've had to fight to get their club back to a recognizable point.

Wages rising continuously where the working mans salary is shrinking doesn't help.

Football is dying simple as that.

I find it also strange this is not the first thing that gets debated when discussing attendance figures. fans have no fight in them, just pay without wanting the club to justify the fees

I know one thing when I attend on Saturday I will be watching a number of players who are going through the motions.Modern football itself breeds people who have no sense that it is a honour and privilege to play professional sport, particularly football which is very well paid.Equally the feigning of injuries, grabbing your face is really getting to me.Football is not cheap, in fact it is damned expensive.I believe many feel this way and have said enough.

Don't worry about the fans who are not there we are there and that's what counts

It's basically down to the "feel good factor", or in our case, the lack of it. Too much shit over the last two seasons.

It will come back though, slowly,,,but surely.

I watched the club all the way through the lower league days. The football wasn't great but there was still 'a sense of belonging' to something special.

Like others, I protested hard against the rebrand - boycotted, stood (and failed) for the CCST board as an anti rebrand candidate, supported the wrongly maligned BU and worked hard with the trust and the local media to get the alternative shirt scheme off the ground.

Since the rebrand reversal I've been to the CCS a few times and whilst the poor quality football has never bothered me, the continued feeling of a lack of any kind of connection to the club does. I appreciate it's highly personal but I think for me the rebrand saga and the divisions it created just went on for too long and the bond was broken. Permanently? Who knows.

Away from Cardiff City specifics, I think the absurd amount of money charged to watch British professional football, crazy player wages, the cheating and diving, sanitised happy clapper atmosphere at games and the tedious over hyping of matches is all helping to turn people away from the game generally. It's not a sport anymore it's a product and it's all the poorer for it.

It's not a great sight is it seeing a half empty stadium?

But how can you blame anyone but the club for all the cack that they have imposed upon us, both on and off the field.

They most definitely need to sort out the playing side of things for next season as otherwise the true attendances of those actually in the stadium will be well below the false figures announced of 19-22000 odd.

Plus IMO the walk up price for a one off game should be reduced.

If the club hadnt shit all over its fans the attendances wouldn't be this bad

Correct

Those staying away will simply blame a multitude of things that they feel will 'justify' their actions, when the simple mood appears to be one of apathy and/or plain mischief!

It is more sad than laughable how so many of the more vehement "back to blue or no renew" merchants have either faded away quietly or simply found another 'reason' not to attend games at the CCS!

The simple truth of the matter is that Cardiff City Football Club treated a decent percentage of its supporters with absolute contempt throughout the two and half years of the ridiculous re-brand saga. As a direct result of the actions of the owner and his minions at the CCS, many previously fiercely loyal fans no longer feel the same sort of bond with the club that they once did, and why should they? After all, it was the club itself that created a situation which caused many lifelong fans to question their support for Cardiff City. Plenty have realised they've been wasting far too much time and money on what has become little more than a rich Malaysian's plaything, while others continue to attend matches but no longer feel the same passion for the club that they once did.

The laughable aspect is that some people seemed to believe that a return to blue shirts would put right the countless wrongs that have occurred since May 2012. That was never going to happen. For many of us who were there throughout the club's years in the lower divisions, the damage had already been done and the bond had been broken, both with the club itself and the sections of the fanbase who either embraced and endorsed Tan's actions or shrugged their shoulders and ignored them.

I said from day one that regardless of any short-term success that Tan's millions brought, the re-brand would cause lasting damage to CCFC, and so it has proved. Those who either embraced it or meekly accepted it now have the club they deserve and it's not a good one. The divisions caused by the re-brand largely remain and the true effects have only now become apparent after the thousands who jumped on the bandwagon when the Premier League came in sight have jumped off again.

Those staying away will simply blame a multitude of things that they feel will 'justify' their actions, when the simple mood appears to be one of apathy and/or plain mischief!

It is more sad than laughable how so many of the more vehement "back to blue or no renew" merchants have either faded away quietly or simply found another 'reason' not to attend games at the CCS!

The simple truth of the matter is that Cardiff City Football Club treated a decent percentage of its supporters with absolute contempt throughout the two and half years of the ridiculous re-brand saga. As a direct result of the actions of the owner and his minions at the CCS, many previously fiercely loyal fans no longer feel the same sort of bond with the club that they once did, and why should they? After all, it was the club itself that created a situation which caused many lifelong fans to question their support for Cardiff City. Plenty have realised they've been wasting far too much time and money on what has become little more than a rich Malaysian's plaything, while others continue to attend matches but no longer feel the same passion for the club that they once did.

The laughable aspect is that some people seemed to believe that a return to blue shirts would put right the countless wrongs that have occurred since May 2012. That was never going to happen. For many of us who were there throughout the club's years in the lower divisions, the damage had already been done and the bond had been broken, both with the club itself and the sections of the fanbase who either embraced and endorsed Tan's actions or shrugged their shoulders and ignored them.

I said from day one that regardless of any short-term success that Tan's millions brought, the re-brand would cause lasting damage to CCFC, and so it has proved. Those who either embraced it or meekly accepted it now have the club they deserve and it's not a good one. The divisions caused by the re-brand largely remain and the true effects have only now become apparent after the thousands who jumped on the bandwagon when the Premier League came in sight have jumped off again.

Good post....No solutions and a big bit of "I told you so" but the problem the club faces succinctly framed.

Those staying away will simply blame a multitude of things that they feel will 'justify' their actions, when the simple mood appears to be one of apathy and/or plain mischief!

It is more sad than laughable how so many of the more vehement "back to blue or no renew" merchants have either faded away quietly or simply found another 'reason' not to attend games at the CCS!

The simple truth of the matter is that Cardiff City Football Club treated a decent percentage of its supporters with absolute contempt throughout the two and half years of the ridiculous re-brand saga. As a direct result of the actions of the owner and his minions at the CCS, many previously fiercely loyal fans no longer feel the same sort of bond with the club that they once did, and why should they? After all, it was the club itself that created a situation which caused many lifelong fans to question their support for Cardiff City. Plenty have realised they've been wasting far too much time and money on what has become little more than a rich Malaysian's plaything, while others continue to attend matches but no longer feel the same passion for the club that they once did.

The laughable aspect is that some people seemed to believe that a return to blue shirts would put right the countless wrongs that have occurred since May 2012. That was never going to happen. For many of us who were there throughout the club's years in the lower divisions, the damage had already been done and the bond had been broken, both with the club itself and the sections of the fanbase who either embraced and endorsed Tan's actions or shrugged their shoulders and ignored them.

I said from day one that regardless of any short-term success that Tan's millions brought, the re-brand would cause lasting damage to CCFC, and so it has proved. Those who either embraced it or meekly accepted it now have the club they deserve and it's not a good one. The divisions caused by the re-brand largely remain and the true effects have only now become apparent after the thousands who jumped on the bandwagon when the Premier League came in sight have jumped off again.

Good post....No solutions and a big bit of "I told you so" but the problem the club faces succinctly framed.

It could be argued in return that some fans treated the club (not necessarily Tan) with equal contempt, but I guess it depends on individual points of view regarding whether offensive protests and/or abandoning the club are hurting the club itself or Tan directly

As I've said before, Tan is only the temporary custodian of this club and it is us fans that are supposed to be its future!

It could be argued in return that some fans treated the club (not necessarily Tan) with equal contempt, but I guess it depends on individual points of view regarding whether offensive protests and/or abandoning the club are hurting the club itself or Tan directly

As I've said before, Tan is only the temporary custodian of this club and it is us fans that are supposed to be its future!

Out of interest, what is it that you actually regard as 'the club'?

Good post....No solutions and a big bit of "I told you so" but the problem the club faces succinctly framed.

No solutions because I haven't got any (assuming that some exist) and I did tell you so.

Seriously though, if you'd have told me as I travelled home from the play-off semi defeat to West Ham that within a couple of years I and hundreds if not thousands of others like me would feel the way we currently do about the football club we had supported passionately all of our lives, I'd have laughed in your face.

The re-brand, combined with Tan's antics and the reactions of a large percentage of the fanbase, has provided a very significant watershed for many formerly dedicated Cardiff City supporters. The events of the last few years have literally been life-changing. Attitudes have changed significantly, as have lifestyles. Amazingly, a man from Malaysia has managed to cure plenty of Bluebirds of their football addiction. And once the kind of bond that many of those fans felt with the club has been broken, it's going to be very difficult to repair.