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Re: ' Since Trollope '

Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:31 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:I think everyone is forgetting the single biggest factor in our great win last night was a red card. This had nothing to do with Slade nor Trollope. If Trollope is so good why couldn't he see this earlier and get Slade to act upon it?

What red card? :?



think he means whitts

Whitts didn't play last night! ;)

Yeah, just read another of his posts where he believes that the single factor in us winning last night was because Whitts was unavailable!

That's all well and good believing that, but Whitts was in the side that won at Wigan last week and he's played in every game of our recent upturn in form and although I know that he's played every game during our very poor run as well, I'm not totally convinced that we're better off without Whitts in the side!

Personally, I'd prefer to give the credit to the players who actually played last night and the management and coaching staff that chose the team, the formation/style of play, instead of slagging off those who didn't play, for whatever reason! (Obviously Trollope gets the credit for last night as we won and Slade must have picked the team and tactics on Saturday, as we lost according to many on here :) )

Re: ' Since Trollope '

Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:13 pm

wez1927 wrote:Has come in we have been playing much better ,tighter at the back and players seem to be more committed


I'm not sure I would agree that we are "playing much better" however, we now seem be a little more organised for the full 90 minutes. The football, tactics are still very dour and we are still not getting any parity in the possession stats against even the weaker teams in this league. I am not concerned with dominating possession, because it's common place now to see teams with least possession winning games, however, I do think we need to be getting parity week in week out, in order to at least be easy on the eye. I think that in the summer, the whole midfield needs drastic action, it is the only one area that's a constant over 3 managers, it has no flair or pace to it, with Whitts and Gunner taking 2 automatic spots. They are both great pros, but they just maybe holding that whole area of the team back.

Re: ' Since Trollope '

Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:44 am

Overthemoon wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:I think everyone is forgetting the single biggest factor in our great win last night was a red card. This had nothing to do with Slade nor Trollope. If Trollope is so good why couldn't he see this earlier and get Slade to act upon it?

What red card? :?



think he means whitts

Whitts didn't play last night! ;)

Yeah, just read another of his posts where he believes that the single factor in us winning last night was because Whitts was unavailable!

That's all well and good believing that, but Whitts was in the side that won at Wigan last week and he's played in every game of our recent upturn in form and although I know that he's played every game during our very poor run as well, I'm not totally convinced that we're better off without Whitts in the side!

Personally, I'd prefer to give the credit to the players who actually played last night and the management and coaching staff that chose the team, the formation/style of play, instead of slagging off those who didn't play, for whatever reason! (Obviously Trollope gets the credit for last night as we won and Slade must have picked the team and tactics on Saturday, as we lost according to many on here :) )


That's rights he didnt play last night! :oops:

And what a huge difference that made! That was definitely the most important single factor in last night's performance. With Whittingham we are slow and sluggish and Ralls made a difference with his energy and vitality, domething has been missing all season. When things dont work people usually change things and Whittingham has been the constant in a poor performing team all season. My point was that before we heap praise on Slade and Trollope they didnt make the change, it was forced upon them! :oops:

Oh and by the way I havent slaggedboff any players, commenting on people's form, ability and contribution to the game has absolutely nothing to do with criticism, its just stating the facts. Yes Joe Ralls played well last night and I have said that previously and I should give credit to Macheda, but its pretty obvious to anyone who knows the game that a referee gave us a help last night!

Re: ' Since Trollope '

Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:56 am

City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:I think everyone is forgetting the single biggest factor in our great win last night was a red card. This had nothing to do with Slade nor Trollope. If Trollope is so good why couldn't he see this earlier and get Slade to act upon it?

What red card? :?



think he means whitts

Whitts didn't play last night! ;)

Yeah, just read another of his posts where he believes that the single factor in us winning last night was because Whitts was unavailable!

That's all well and good believing that, but Whitts was in the side that won at Wigan last week and he's played in every game of our recent upturn in form and although I know that he's played every game during our very poor run as well, I'm not totally convinced that we're better off without Whitts in the side!

Personally, I'd prefer to give the credit to the players who actually played last night and the management and coaching staff that chose the team, the formation/style of play, instead of slagging off those who didn't play, for whatever reason! (Obviously Trollope gets the credit for last night as we won and Slade must have picked the team and tactics on Saturday, as we lost according to many on here :) )


That's rights he didnt play last night! :oops:

And what a huge difference that made! That was definitely the most important single factor in last night's performance. With Whittingham we are slow and sluggish and Ralls made a difference with his energy and vitality, domething has been missing all season. When things dont work people usually change things and Whittingham has been the constant in a poor performing team all season. My point was that before we heap praise on Slade and Trollope they didnt make the change, it was forced upon them! :oops:

Oh and by the way I havent slaggedboff any players, commenting on people's form, ability and contribution to the game has absolutely nothing to do with criticism, its just stating the facts. Yes Joe Ralls played well last night and I have said that previously and I should give credit to Macheda, but its pretty obvious to anyone who knows the game that a referee gave us a help last night!

So our win against Rotherham was down to the referee that sent off Whitts on Saturday and the one who refereed us against Rotherham as well! :lol:

Re: ' Since Trollope '

Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:12 am

Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:I think everyone is forgetting the single biggest factor in our great win last night was a red card. This had nothing to do with Slade nor Trollope. If Trollope is so good why couldn't he see this earlier and get Slade to act upon it?

What red card? :?



think he means whitts

Whitts didn't play last night! ;)

Yeah, just read another of his posts where he believes that the single factor in us winning last night was because Whitts was unavailable!

That's all well and good believing that, but Whitts was in the side that won at Wigan last week and he's played in every game of our recent upturn in form and although I know that he's played every game during our very poor run as well, I'm not totally convinced that we're better off without Whitts in the side!

Personally, I'd prefer to give the credit to the players who actually played last night and the management and coaching staff that chose the team, the formation/style of play, instead of slagging off those who didn't play, for whatever reason! (Obviously Trollope gets the credit for last night as we won and Slade must have picked the team and tactics on Saturday, as we lost according to many on here :) )


That's rights he didnt play last night! :oops:

And what a huge difference that made! That was definitely the most important single factor in last night's performance. With Whittingham we are slow and sluggish and Ralls made a difference with his energy and vitality, domething has been missing all season. When things dont work people usually change things and Whittingham has been the constant in a poor performing team all season. My point was that before we heap praise on Slade and Trollope they didnt make the change, it was forced upon them! :oops:

Oh and by the way I havent slaggedboff any players, commenting on people's form, ability and contribution to the game has absolutely nothing to do with criticism, its just stating the facts. Yes Joe Ralls played well last night and I have said that previously and I should give credit to Macheda, but its pretty obvious to anyone who knows the game that a referee gave us a help last night!

So our win against Rotherham was down to the referee that sent off Whitts on Saturday and the one who refereed us against Rotherham as well! :lol:


No, youre obviously not reading the post correctly :oops:

I wrote the SINGLE most important factor last night was the influence of a referee! I stated that because this was a thread about Trollope's supposed beneficial influence. He may well be working hard behind the scenes to help Slade improve and if he is then good luck to him. My point was that Whittingham's absence last night had nothing to do with Trollope nor Slade so we shouldn't afford them any credit for that.

There were obviously good performances last night and every player needs to be credited I agree with you in that respect. But you are obviously a Whittingham fan and I am not and I doubt I could ever change your opinion of him which is fine and I respect your opinion. However, he is the player who divides opinion the most with the fanbase and some of us see his time is up. He was a good player at this level in the past so I dont believe its in any way slagging the man to say hes past his best, styles change and youth needs to be given a chance.

Re: ' Since Trollope '

Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:41 am

City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:I think everyone is forgetting the single biggest factor in our great win last night was a red card. This had nothing to do with Slade nor Trollope. If Trollope is so good why couldn't he see this earlier and get Slade to act upon it?

What red card? :?



think he means whitts

Whitts didn't play last night! ;)

Yeah, just read another of his posts where he believes that the single factor in us winning last night was because Whitts was unavailable!

That's all well and good believing that, but Whitts was in the side that won at Wigan last week and he's played in every game of our recent upturn in form and although I know that he's played every game during our very poor run as well, I'm not totally convinced that we're better off without Whitts in the side!

Personally, I'd prefer to give the credit to the players who actually played last night and the management and coaching staff that chose the team, the formation/style of play, instead of slagging off those who didn't play, for whatever reason! (Obviously Trollope gets the credit for last night as we won and Slade must have picked the team and tactics on Saturday, as we lost according to many on here :) )


That's rights he didnt play last night! :oops:

And what a huge difference that made! That was definitely the most important single factor in last night's performance. With Whittingham we are slow and sluggish and Ralls made a difference with his energy and vitality, domething has been missing all season. When things dont work people usually change things and Whittingham has been the constant in a poor performing team all season. My point was that before we heap praise on Slade and Trollope they didnt make the change, it was forced upon them! :oops:

Oh and by the way I havent slaggedboff any players, commenting on people's form, ability and contribution to the game has absolutely nothing to do with criticism, its just stating the facts. Yes Joe Ralls played well last night and I have said that previously and I should give credit to Macheda, but its pretty obvious to anyone who knows the game that a referee gave us a help last night!

So our win against Rotherham was down to the referee that sent off Whitts on Saturday and the one who refereed us against Rotherham as well! :lol:


No, youre obviously not reading the post correctly :oops:

I wrote the SINGLE most important factor last night was the influence of a referee! I stated that because this was a thread about Trollope's supposed beneficial influence. He may well be working hard behind the scenes to help Slade improve and if he is then good luck to him. My point was that Whittingham's absence last night had nothing to do with Trollope nor Slade so we shouldn't afford them any credit for that.

There were obviously good performances last night and every player needs to be credited I agree with you in that respect. But you are obviously a Whittingham fan and I am not and I doubt I could ever change your opinion of him which is fine and I respect your opinion. However, he is the player who divides opinion the most with the fanbase and some of us see his time is up. He was a good player at this level in the past so I dont believe its in any way slagging the man to say hes past his best, styles change and youth needs to be given a chance.

I like Whitts, but undecided as to whether we'd be better off with or without him in the team, as he's played every minute of every game before his sending off on Saturday and before Rotherham, so he's been part of our upsurge in form as well as our poor vein of form earlier!

I was at Wigan last week as well and Whitts had a decent game and as we won with him in the team, who gets the credit for our win there, or did we win in spite of him?

Re: ' Since Trollope '

Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:56 pm

Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:I think everyone is forgetting the single biggest factor in our great win last night was a red card. This had nothing to do with Slade nor Trollope. If Trollope is so good why couldn't he see this earlier and get Slade to act upon it?

What red card? :?



think he means whitts

Whitts didn't play last night! ;)

Yeah, just read another of his posts where he believes that the single factor in us winning last night was because Whitts was unavailable!

That's all well and good believing that, but Whitts was in the side that won at Wigan last week and he's played in every game of our recent upturn in form and although I know that he's played every game during our very poor run as well, I'm not totally convinced that we're better off without Whitts in the side!

Personally, I'd prefer to give the credit to the players who actually played last night and the management and coaching staff that chose the team, the formation/style of play, instead of slagging off those who didn't play, for whatever reason! (Obviously Trollope gets the credit for last night as we won and Slade must have picked the team and tactics on Saturday, as we lost according to many on here :) )


That's rights he didnt play last night! :oops:

And what a huge difference that made! That was definitely the most important single factor in last night's performance. With Whittingham we are slow and sluggish and Ralls made a difference with his energy and vitality, domething has been missing all season. When things dont work people usually change things and Whittingham has been the constant in a poor performing team all season. My point was that before we heap praise on Slade and Trollope they didnt make the change, it was forced upon them! :oops:

Oh and by the way I havent slaggedboff any players, commenting on people's form, ability and contribution to the game has absolutely nothing to do with criticism, its just stating the facts. Yes Joe Ralls played well last night and I have said that previously and I should give credit to Macheda, but its pretty obvious to anyone who knows the game that a referee gave us a help last night!

So our win against Rotherham was down to the referee that sent off Whitts on Saturday and the one who refereed us against Rotherham as well! :lol:


No, youre obviously not reading the post correctly :oops:

I wrote the SINGLE most important factor last night was the influence of a referee! I stated that because this was a thread about Trollope's supposed beneficial influence. He may well be working hard behind the scenes to help Slade improve and if he is then good luck to him. My point was that Whittingham's absence last night had nothing to do with Trollope nor Slade so we shouldn't afford them any credit for that.

There were obviously good performances last night and every player needs to be credited I agree with you in that respect. But you are obviously a Whittingham fan and I am not and I doubt I could ever change your opinion of him which is fine and I respect your opinion. However, he is the player who divides opinion the most with the fanbase and some of us see his time is up. He was a good player at this level in the past so I dont believe its in any way slagging the man to say hes past his best, styles change and youth needs to be given a chance.

I like Whitts, but undecided as to whether we'd be better off with or without him in the team, as he's played every minute of every game before his sending off on Saturday and before Rotherham, so he's been part of our upsurge in form as well as our poor vein of form earlier!

I was at Wigan last week as well and Whitts had a decent game and as we won with him in the team, who gets the credit for our win there, or did we win in spite of him?


Well you won't agree I'm sure but I would say we won in spite of him. Gunnarsson, who is unfairly maligned in my opinion, had much more influence on the game. ...and scored! Not that scoring is everything for a midfielder anyway, influence is more important. This so called upsurge in form is tenuous and we have been fortunate its coincided with playing poor teams (like Wigan) with a poor manager or, teams temporarily jaded, like Blackburn. However I have seen nothing to convince me Whittingham had anything to do with it. As I ssid this mini revival is tenuous and I would still make changes like adding Adeyemi to the midfield to support Ralls and Gunnarsson.

Re: ' Since Trollope '

Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:29 pm

City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:I think everyone is forgetting the single biggest factor in our great win last night was a red card. This had nothing to do with Slade nor Trollope. If Trollope is so good why couldn't he see this earlier and get Slade to act upon it?

What red card? :?



think he means whitts

Whitts didn't play last night! ;)

Yeah, just read another of his posts where he believes that the single factor in us winning last night was because Whitts was unavailable!

That's all well and good believing that, but Whitts was in the side that won at Wigan last week and he's played in every game of our recent upturn in form and although I know that he's played every game during our very poor run as well, I'm not totally convinced that we're better off without Whitts in the side!

Personally, I'd prefer to give the credit to the players who actually played last night and the management and coaching staff that chose the team, the formation/style of play, instead of slagging off those who didn't play, for whatever reason! (Obviously Trollope gets the credit for last night as we won and Slade must have picked the team and tactics on Saturday, as we lost according to many on here :) )


That's rights he didnt play last night! :oops:

And what a huge difference that made! That was definitely the most important single factor in last night's performance. With Whittingham we are slow and sluggish and Ralls made a difference with his energy and vitality, domething has been missing all season. When things dont work people usually change things and Whittingham has been the constant in a poor performing team all season. My point was that before we heap praise on Slade and Trollope they didnt make the change, it was forced upon them! :oops:

Oh and by the way I havent slaggedboff any players, commenting on people's form, ability and contribution to the game has absolutely nothing to do with criticism, its just stating the facts. Yes Joe Ralls played well last night and I have said that previously and I should give credit to Macheda, but its pretty obvious to anyone who knows the game that a referee gave us a help last night!

So our win against Rotherham was down to the referee that sent off Whitts on Saturday and the one who refereed us against Rotherham as well! :lol:


No, youre obviously not reading the post correctly :oops:

I wrote the SINGLE most important factor last night was the influence of a referee! I stated that because this was a thread about Trollope's supposed beneficial influence. He may well be working hard behind the scenes to help Slade improve and if he is then good luck to him. My point was that Whittingham's absence last night had nothing to do with Trollope nor Slade so we shouldn't afford them any credit for that.

There were obviously good performances last night and every player needs to be credited I agree with you in that respect. But you are obviously a Whittingham fan and I am not and I doubt I could ever change your opinion of him which is fine and I respect your opinion. However, he is the player who divides opinion the most with the fanbase and some of us see his time is up. He was a good player at this level in the past so I dont believe its in any way slagging the man to say hes past his best, styles change and youth needs to be given a chance.

I like Whitts, but undecided as to whether we'd be better off with or without him in the team, as he's played every minute of every game before his sending off on Saturday and before Rotherham, so he's been part of our upsurge in form as well as our poor vein of form earlier!

I was at Wigan last week as well and Whitts had a decent game and as we won with him in the team, who gets the credit for our win there, or did we win in spite of him?


Well you won't agree I'm sure but I would say we won in spite of him. Gunnarsson, who is unfairly maligned in my opinion, had much more influence on the game. ...and scored! Not that scoring is everything for a midfielder anyway, influence is more important. This so called upsurge in form is tenuous and we have been fortunate its coincided with playing poor teams (like Wigan) with a poor manager or, teams temporarily jaded, like Blackburn. However I have seen nothing to convince me Whittingham had anything to do with it. As I ssid this mini revival is tenuous and I would still make changes like adding Adeyemi to the midfield to support Ralls and Gunnarsson.

It's not a case of agreeing or disagreeing with you, as nobody knows whether you're right in your belief that the single biggest reason why we won at Rotherham, is because Whitts wasn't playing!

As I said earlier, Whitts played at Wigan when we won last week, so would we have won by more had he not been playing, nobody knows and we could just as easily have lost with or without him!

I also can't see why you're playing down our performances against some of the teams we've played recently, by stating that they're poor teams or temporarily jaded, instead of giving our squad and management the credit for limiting our opposition to a handful of chances in recent games, as opposed to the bucket load of chances we were allowing them a few weeks earlier!

Teams don't suddenly become bad teams or temporarily jaded just because they've played us and whilst the squad and management have to take some criticism for our earlier season performances, they should be cut some slack when we pick up positive results, like we've done in our last 7 games or so!

Re: ' Since Trollope '

Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:40 pm

Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:I think everyone is forgetting the single biggest factor in our great win last night was a red card. This had nothing to do with Slade nor Trollope. If Trollope is so good why couldn't he see this earlier and get Slade to act upon it?

What red card? :?



think he means whitts

Whitts didn't play last night! ;)

Yeah, just read another of his posts where he believes that the single factor in us winning last night was because Whitts was unavailable!

That's all well and good believing that, but Whitts was in the side that won at Wigan last week and he's played in every game of our recent upturn in form and although I know that he's played every game during our very poor run as well, I'm not totally convinced that we're better off without Whitts in the side!

Personally, I'd prefer to give the credit to the players who actually played last night and the management and coaching staff that chose the team, the formation/style of play, instead of slagging off those who didn't play, for whatever reason! (Obviously Trollope gets the credit for last night as we won and Slade must have picked the team and tactics on Saturday, as we lost according to many on here :) )


That's rights he didnt play last night! :oops:

And what a huge difference that made! That was definitely the most important single factor in last night's performance. With Whittingham we are slow and sluggish and Ralls made a difference with his energy and vitality, domething has been missing all season. When things dont work people usually change things and Whittingham has been the constant in a poor performing team all season. My point was that before we heap praise on Slade and Trollope they didnt make the change, it was forced upon them! :oops:

Oh and by the way I havent slaggedboff any players, commenting on people's form, ability and contribution to the game has absolutely nothing to do with criticism, its just stating the facts. Yes Joe Ralls played well last night and I have said that previously and I should give credit to Macheda, but its pretty obvious to anyone who knows the game that a referee gave us a help last night!

So our win against Rotherham was down to the referee that sent off Whitts on Saturday and the one who refereed us against Rotherham as well! :lol:


No, youre obviously not reading the post correctly :oops:

I wrote the SINGLE most important factor last night was the influence of a referee! I stated that because this was a thread about Trollope's supposed beneficial influence. He may well be working hard behind the scenes to help Slade improve and if he is then good luck to him. My point was that Whittingham's absence last night had nothing to do with Trollope nor Slade so we shouldn't afford them any credit for that.

There were obviously good performances last night and every player needs to be credited I agree with you in that respect. But you are obviously a Whittingham fan and I am not and I doubt I could ever change your opinion of him which is fine and I respect your opinion. However, he is the player who divides opinion the most with the fanbase and some of us see his time is up. He was a good player at this level in the past so I dont believe its in any way slagging the man to say hes past his best, styles change and youth needs to be given a chance.

I like Whitts, but undecided as to whether we'd be better off with or without him in the team, as he's played every minute of every game before his sending off on Saturday and before Rotherham, so he's been part of our upsurge in form as well as our poor vein of form earlier!

I was at Wigan last week as well and Whitts had a decent game and as we won with him in the team, who gets the credit for our win there, or did we win in spite of him?


Well you won't agree I'm sure but I would say we won in spite of him. Gunnarsson, who is unfairly maligned in my opinion, had much more influence on the game. ...and scored! Not that scoring is everything for a midfielder anyway, influence is more important. This so called upsurge in form is tenuous and we have been fortunate its coincided with playing poor teams (like Wigan) with a poor manager or, teams temporarily jaded, like Blackburn. However I have seen nothing to convince me Whittingham had anything to do with it. As I ssid this mini revival is tenuous and I would still make changes like adding Adeyemi to the midfield to support Ralls and Gunnarsson.

It's not a case of agreeing or disagreeing with you, as nobody knows whether you're right in your belief that the single biggest reason why we won at Rotherham, is because Whitts wasn't playing!

As I said earlier, Whitts played at Wigan when we won last week, so would we have won by more had he not been playing, nobody knows and we could just as easily have lost with or without him!

I also can't see why you're playing down our performances against some of the teams we've played recently, by stating that they're poor teams or temporarily jaded, instead of giving our squad and management the credit for limiting our opposition to a handful of chances in recent games, as opposed to the bucket load of chances we were allowing them a few weeks earlier!

Teams don't suddenly become bad teams or temporarily jaded just because they've played us and whilst the squad and management have to take some criticism for our earlier season performances, they should be cut some slack when we pick up positive results, like we've done in our last 7 games or so!



Overthemoon: I dont know why you picked that name. Perhaos it was to do with one of those "wonderful" assists thst "Whitts" effected from a corner kick! I dont know! My God how he's lured in a lot of impressionable people with these antics! f**k me I could take a handy corner corner myself, as you could I'm sure. What about sny other professional player?

Anyone coukd look for positives from anything, its a bit like religion. There are creationists who are religious zealots who dismiss evolution because its acceptance would destroy their world view. Footfall isnt quite the same as evolution in thst its not based on empirical evidence and its somewhat open to interpretation. However, if you dont understand that Blackburn were a jaded side after a hard FA cup win over a Premiership side, and that Wigan are where thry are because they are poor then thats your prerogative! Maybe you are one who is in the Creationship camp; I don't know! If so, good luck to you, youre gonna need it!

Re: ' Since Trollope '

Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:41 pm

Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:
City Slicker wrote:I think everyone is forgetting the single biggest factor in our great win last night was a red card. This had nothing to do with Slade nor Trollope. If Trollope is so good why couldn't he see this earlier and get Slade to act upon it?

What red card? :?



think he means whitts

Whitts didn't play last night! ;)

Yeah, just read another of his posts where he believes that the single factor in us winning last night was because Whitts was unavailable!

That's all well and good believing that, but Whitts was in the side that won at Wigan last week and he's played in every game of our recent upturn in form and although I know that he's played every game during our very poor run as well, I'm not totally convinced that we're better off without Whitts in the side!

Personally, I'd prefer to give the credit to the players who actually played last night and the management and coaching staff that chose the team, the formation/style of play, instead of slagging off those who didn't play, for whatever reason! (Obviously Trollope gets the credit for last night as we won and Slade must have picked the team and tactics on Saturday, as we lost according to many on here :) )


That's rights he didnt play last night! :oops:

And what a huge difference that made! That was definitely the most important single factor in last night's performance. With Whittingham we are slow and sluggish and Ralls made a difference with his energy and vitality, domething has been missing all season. When things dont work people usually change things and Whittingham has been the constant in a poor performing team all season. My point was that before we heap praise on Slade and Trollope they didnt make the change, it was forced upon them! :oops:

Oh and by the way I havent slaggedboff any players, commenting on people's form, ability and contribution to the game has absolutely nothing to do with criticism, its just stating the facts. Yes Joe Ralls played well last night and I have said that previously and I should give credit to Macheda, but its pretty obvious to anyone who knows the game that a referee gave us a help last night!

So our win against Rotherham was down to the referee that sent off Whitts on Saturday and the one who refereed us against Rotherham as well! :lol:


No, youre obviously not reading the post correctly :oops:

I wrote the SINGLE most important factor last night was the influence of a referee! I stated that because this was a thread about Trollope's supposed beneficial influence. He may well be working hard behind the scenes to help Slade improve and if he is then good luck to him. My point was that Whittingham's absence last night had nothing to do with Trollope nor Slade so we shouldn't afford them any credit for that.

There were obviously good performances last night and every player needs to be credited I agree with you in that respect. But you are obviously a Whittingham fan and I am not and I doubt I could ever change your opinion of him which is fine and I respect your opinion. However, he is the player who divides opinion the most with the fanbase and some of us see his time is up. He was a good player at this level in the past so I dont believe its in any way slagging the man to say hes past his best, styles change and youth needs to be given a chance.

I like Whitts, but undecided as to whether we'd be better off with or without him in the team, as he's played every minute of every game before his sending off on Saturday and before Rotherham, so he's been part of our upsurge in form as well as our poor vein of form earlier!

I was at Wigan last week as well and Whitts had a decent game and as we won with him in the team, who gets the credit for our win there, or did we win in spite of him?


Well you won't agree I'm sure but I would say we won in spite of him. Gunnarsson, who is unfairly maligned in my opinion, had much more influence on the game. ...and scored! Not that scoring is everything for a midfielder anyway, influence is more important. This so called upsurge in form is tenuous and we have been fortunate its coincided with playing poor teams (like Wigan) with a poor manager or, teams temporarily jaded, like Blackburn. However I have seen nothing to convince me Whittingham had anything to do with it. As I ssid this mini revival is tenuous and I would still make changes like adding Adeyemi to the midfield to support Ralls and Gunnarsson.

It's not a case of agreeing or disagreeing with you, as nobody knows whether you're right in your belief that the single biggest reason why we won at Rotherham, is because Whitts wasn't playing!

As I said earlier, Whitts played at Wigan when we won last week, so would we have won by more had he not been playing, nobody knows and we could just as easily have lost with or without him!

I also can't see why you're playing down our performances against some of the teams we've played recently, by stating that they're poor teams or temporarily jaded, instead of giving our squad and management the credit for limiting our opposition to a handful of chances in recent games, as opposed to the bucket load of chances we were allowing them a few weeks earlier!

Teams don't suddenly become bad teams or temporarily jaded just because they've played us and whilst the squad and management have to take some criticism for our earlier season performances, they should be cut some slack when we pick up positive results, like we've done in our last 7 games or so!



Overthemoon: I dont know why you picked that name. Perhaos it was to do with one of those "wonderful" assists thst "Whitts" effected from a corner kick! I dont know! My God how he's lured in a lot of impressionable people with these antics! f**k me I could take a handy corner corner myself, as you could I'm sure. What about sny other professional player?

Anyone coukd look for positives from anything, its a bit like religion. There are creationists who are religious zealots who dismiss evolution because its acceptance would destroy their world view. Footfall isnt quite the same as evolution in thst its not based on empirical evidence and its somewhat open to interpretation. However, if you dont understand that Blackburn were a jaded side after a hard FA cup win over a Premiership side, and that Wigan are where thry are because they are poor then thats your prerogative! Maybe you are one who is in the Creationship camp; I don't know! If so, good luck to you, youre gonna need it!

Re: ' Since Trollope '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:31 pm

wez1927 wrote:Has come in we have been playing much better ,tighter at the back and players seem to be more committed

Like i said in thia thread wez it had nothing to do with slade back then wez :laughing6: :laughing6:

Re: ' Since Trollope '

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:38 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Has come in we have been playing much better ,tighter at the back and players seem to be more committed


Wez,
I have to agree Trollope has been a great help :thumbright:

So has the return of Manga and Marshall :thumbright:

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