Which Political Party carries your main beliefs ? POLL

UKIP, hopefully they will strictly limit immigration and drive out as many as they can . reclaim the country now. Call me what you want I've had a f*cking enough.

totally agree ,Britain is full

UKIP, hopefully they will strictly limit immigration and drive out as many as they can . reclaim the country now. Call me what you want I've had a f*cking enough.

totally agree ,Britain is full

What a daft comment.

I would like to add a post script to my previous posting on this matter....please oh please will a political party ban political correctness and rid us of ludercrous health and safety regulations... I won't hold my breath!!

UKIP, hopefully they will strictly limit immigration and drive out as many as they can . reclaim the country now. Call me what you want I've had a f*cking enough.

totally agree ,Britain is full

What a daft comment.

Totally agree - WE ARE FULL. They take the benefits, housing, NHS etc etc and have not even contributed to OUR country...................................................................................... and that's the people born here, before we look at anybody else who came via Calais etc.

UKIP, hopefully they will strictly limit immigration and drive out as many as they can . reclaim the country now. Call me what you want I've had a f*cking enough.

totally agree ,Britain is full

What a daft comment.

Totally agree - WE ARE FULL. They take the benefits, housing, NHS etc etc and have not even contributed to OUR country...................................................................................... and that's the people born here, before we look at anybody else who came via Calais etc.

Without immigrants the UK would be economically screwed. A lazy expectant British mentality is the problem. People thinking they're above certain jobs. I know loads who refuse to work in construction yet the Poles will take those jobs all day and night. The economy would be on its knees and its only doing well now to pay for those benefiting from an inflated public sector because of the effort immigrants make and the contributions they make. The problem with Britain is a lazy culture of entitlement that stems from a society of materialism and expecting something for nothing. These people believe they are owed a top job on good pay just for waking up when the reality is you need to make yourself competitive in the market. Immigrants do that. They learn English, up root and often leave their families behind in other countries to seek education or work and they often do the jobs many Brits won't do. I'm fed up of the narrow minded immigrant bashing and ironically those who moan most about immigrants are either claiming themselves or associate themselves with the very people who take the absolute pee out of the welfare state for their own selfish gain, taking away from the disabled, the old and the other vulnerable people within society who truly need it.

Whoever vote Plaid needs a brain transplant.

We are substadised for one and tell me where our tax contributions will come from for our armed forces or NHS.
North Wales and most of the valleys have some of the most deprived areas of Europe.

tell me why will jobs come to those areas just because we are going it alone ?

Sell water to England then they will just make more and bigger reservoirs.

Plaid Cymru the party that will ram the Welsh language down your throat

Whoever vote Plaid needs a brain transplant.

ad hominem attacks hold no credibility whatsoever.

We are substadised for one

For years historically we've actually been a net creditor to the Treasury. Get your facts straight. A lot of that money didn't get put back into Wales.

and tell me where our tax contributions will come from for our armed forces or NHS.

People working in Wales. Economic prosperity is no longer secured through being a large country or empire nor by using military force to gain access to markets.

North Wales and most of the valleys have some of the most deprived areas of Europe.

So do Romania and Bulgaria as well as loads of other European countries. On top of that, England has areas of serious depravation too. Those countries have benefited greatly from EU funding.

tell me why will jobs come to those areas just because we are going it alone ?

We can set our own competitive corporation and income tax rates to draw business across the bridge. England will either have to compete or accept that companies that wish to 'avoid' tax want to go across the bridge.

Sell water to England then they will just make more and bigger reservoirs.

Yes, this is real life buddy, not Sim City. You cant just dump a reservoir in the middle of England and hey presto! the problem is solved. It will take years of planning, signing off never mind all the health and safety nonsense to go with it. It is highly likely in the event that we did go independent we'd set up a trade agreement with England at the time of it occurring to iron out all complexities. If problems were solved as easily you suggest then we wouldn't be going abroad for oil, we'd be fracking like no tomorrow to obtain it. If problems are so easily solved why isn't England fracking so quickly to obtain oil? Not as simple as you suggest. In the time it takes them to implement such the Welsh economy could be running on a completely different basis. It could even be a South Wales Service Sector Economy with thriving business hubs in Cardiff and Swansea.

Plaid Cymru the party that will ram the Welsh language down your throat

More scaremongering. Heaven forbid having to use words beginning with two l's. The horror!!

"Everyone is so stupid"









"Apart from me"

"Everyone is so stupid"
"Apart from me"

More ad hominem attacks. The tactics of people who don't have the capacity to debate properly and maturely with facts backing up the statements they make or at the very minimum, putting together a constructive argument based on previous statistical analysis.

I have debated and you haven't answered my previous question.

What would you do when Westminster says you cannot carry over the pound.

And all you are doing is browsing the web for answers to questions you cannot answer. Which is apparent with the huge waiting time between your patronising remarks.

What would you do when Westminster says you cannot carry over the pound.

Use the Euro.

Ukip for me
Yes yes im a racist

Barnett what party will you go for as afterall they all have there ups and downs

So you would be behind adopting a currency which is clearly on its way to ruin.

Removing ourselves from a strong currency and entering one which is unstable and involved with ludicrous amount of bureaucracy.

You moan about being ruled by Westminster and are then happy to be ruled by the Euro.

The pound is independence. The Euro is being ruled by the ECB and its many, many, many creditors.

We would pay off our debt via the ECB. As Greece are so successfully doing.

So you would be behind adopting a currency which is clearly on its way to ruin.

Only partly in the same way Euros are accepted in Bulgaria but they still also use the Lev. I'd peg the currency. The Eurozone will not fail or collapse because Germany and the other stronger economies won't allow it. The worst that'll happen is countries that are regarded as surplus will be let go at the expense of an emerging EU superstate. Wales would be nowhere near a risk.

Ukip for me
Yes yes im a racist

Barnett what party will you go for as afterall they all have there ups and downs

Plaid Cymru.

Labour - After Rotherham I don't want to speak to another Labour voter or politician again never mind vote for them. On top of that they're champagne socialist scumbags who actually despise the lower classes they claim to represent.

Cons - Arrogant posh boys who only care about their inner circle and putting the poorest through austerity whilst ensuring the elites carry on the way things are.

Liberal Democrats - Nick Clegg. I don't need to say more.

UKIP - Farage is a Little Englander who'll neglect Wales along with UKIP. Just like the Tories they're a fan of corporatism. The only difference is that UKIP are more libertarian giving workers less rights and businesses more economic freedoms in regard to health and safety. On top of that, with a cap on EU migration the UK economy would struggle. Although Farage is the best orator in the UK at the moment along with Hague, Murray and Hitchens.

Plaid Cymru may not be perfect but at least they want what's best for Wales, not the London bubble.

Anyway, I'm having my vote and then buggering off abroad to live.

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What would you do when Westminster says you cannot carry over the pound.

Use the Euro.

Oh! Oh! There ends your argument and credibility you had.
The Euro? Ask Greece it seems to have gone well there.

What would you do when Westminster says you cannot carry over the pound.

Use the Euro.

Oh! Oh! There ends your argument and credibility you had.
The Euro? Ask Greece it seems to have gone well there.

The Euro didn't fail Greece, Greece failed the Euro by not living within their means and they still refuse to do so. They would rather continue ask for reliefs than face up to the fact that they need to be more shrewd with finances. The same goes for Spain.

There are plenty of European countries doing just fine with the Euro. What is your answer to them?

Claiming the Euro should be scrapped or failed because certain economies failed within it is as daft as saying that the human race should be scrapped or has failed because of what the Nazi's did. Nobody achieved anything by giving up or throwing in the towel.

What would you do when Westminster says you cannot carry over the pound.

Use the Euro.

Oh! Oh! There ends your argument and credibility you had.
The Euro? Ask Greece it seems to have gone well there.

The Euro didn't fail Greece, Greece failed the Euro by not living within their means and they still refuse to do so. They would rather continue ask for reliefs than face up to the fact that they need to be more shrewd with finances. The same goes for Spain.

There are plenty of European countries doing just fine with the Euro. What is your answer to them?

Claiming the Euro should be scrapped or failed because certain economies failed within it is as daft as saying that the human race should be scrapped or has failed because of what the Nazi's did. Nobody achieved anything by giving up or throwing in the towel.

Both had socialist governments who could not live within their means and jobs created were non productive public service ones (apart from building 1000's of houses that no one could afford to buy, in Spain). So with the restricion of the Euro they were not allowed to print more money and to keep on building up debt that future generations would have to pay (like Labour plans in this country). So in some ways the Germans did bring a stop to it by using the power of their control of the Euro. You are right that both countries refused to accept responsibility and their people allowed them to, by continually voting them in to power and avoiding the necessary austerity measures needed. I saw it in Spain with tax avoidance and no banking controls (just like us under Gordon Brown).

What would you do when Westminster says you cannot carry over the pound.

Use the Euro.

Oh! Oh! There ends your argument and credibility you had.
The Euro? Ask Greece it seems to have gone well there.

The Euro didn't fail Greece, Greece failed the Euro by not living within their means and they still refuse to do so. They would rather continue ask for reliefs than face up to the fact that they need to be more shrewd with finances. The same goes for Spain.

There are plenty of European countries doing just fine with the Euro. What is your answer to them?

Claiming the Euro should be scrapped or failed because certain economies failed within it is as daft as saying that the human race should be scrapped or has failed because of what the Nazi's did. Nobody achieved anything by giving up or throwing in the towel.

Both had socialist governments who could not live within their means and jobs created were non productive public service ones (apart from building 1000's of houses that no one could afford to buy, in Spain). So with the restricion of the Euro they were not allowed to print more money and to keep on building up debt that future generations would have to pay (like Labour plans in this country). So in some ways the Germans did bring a stop to it by using the power of their control of the Euro. You are right that both countries refused to accept responsibility and their people allowed them to, by continually voting them in to power and avoiding the necessary austerity measures needed. I saw it in Spain with tax avoidance and no banking controls (just like us under Gordon Brown).

The thing is, I do accept, if we are to ever go down this line we must learn from those mistakes. Do I trust the current WAG to do that? I'll again admit no I don't. I believe in political reform. Get proper financial experts involved in a shake up, a true democracy and get them assessing what went wrong and build the new Welsh economy as part of the EU around that.

None of them.

I am left of centre but believe in personal responsibility and a much much smaller state.

Probably Camerons tories, but I can never forgive the sacrifice the rest of the UK had to make for Thatchers late 80's banking bubble that burst in 2007

Monster Raving Loony party for me. They couldn't do a worse job than the idiots in charge at the moment.

For those who may vote UKIP.....can you really trust them to form a government and run this country when they have absolutely no track record and can you really see Farage as the Prime Minister?? Also, in view of all the wide ranging problems and terrible inequalities in this country is it, in your opinion, the most important thing of all to leave the EU and stop immigration?

Just the latest in a stream of madness from Farage from all you supporters on here!
Let's all carry guns!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... -said.html

This man is another Hitler in the making, he also deluded the working classes into believing his hatred. Be warned!

Tories for me, they have done fantastic with turning the economy although I do wish they toughened up on immigration and benefits.

Plaid are f*cking idiots and anyone with any sense should remember the decisions they made when in charge of transport in the WAG!!! Preferred to fund a more expensive Cardiff to North Wales air service than the cheaper Cardiff to New York air service!!! and they choose to start the widening of the A465 Heads of the Valleys road at the less dangerous end of that road rather than tackling the death trap that is the other end!!! They have the blood on their hands of every person who has died on that road ever since they made that decision.

That's Plaid for you!!!

They have the blood on their hands of every person who has died on that road ever since they made that decision.

What a load of nonsense. They have no blood on their hands at all. You're totally dismissing individual responsibility. I've driven up those roads plenty of times as have many others. People got killed because either they were being careless or were the victim of someone else being careless whilst driving.

Yet another idiotic post from Whopper Brown.

What would you do when Westminster says you cannot carry over the pound.

Use the Euro.

Oh! Oh! There ends your argument and credibility you had.
The Euro? Ask Greece it seems to have gone well there.

The Euro didn't fail Greece, Greece failed the Euro by not living within their means and they still refuse to do so. They would rather continue ask for reliefs than face up to the fact that they need to be more shrewd with finances. The same goes for Spain.

There are plenty of European countries doing just fine with the Euro. What is your answer to them?

Claiming the Euro should be scrapped or failed because certain economies failed within it is as daft as saying that the human race should be scrapped or has failed because of what the Nazi's did. Nobody achieved anything by giving up or throwing in the towel.

Apart from Luxembourg with their lobsided GDP due to being a tax haven, what country our size is doing well out of the Euro?.

If you go down the Euro route, then you will not be able to decide interest rates. Which means the country will effectively be held to ransom by the ECB. Who are main creditors of the ECB? Germany. And that is why they effectively rule Europe. Bailing out countries that have to resort to loans to pay of debts, which we will have to do.

Is that the independence you want?.

As it is a single currency that is shared between many countries, all those countries are affected if one of the countries goes bust. If Greece were to default on its debts, then that would devalue the Euro massively.

That is why pound is strong. It is independence.

How would we pay for the national health service I am guessing you would like to keep if we became independent?.

Loans, loans, loans, loans, loans.

With no industry apart from becoming a tax haven.

I am proud of being Welsh, but in the current bully environment of the EU, we wouldn't survive.

The Eurozone is close to having enough of countries that fall back on the Euro when they are desperate for help.

Greece is a much bigger country than us. People have a small amount of faith in loaning to them. Who would loan to us?. We simply don't have the capacity to repay it.

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They have the blood on their hands of every person who has died on that road ever since they made that decision.

What a load of nonsense. They have no blood on their hands at all. You're totally dismissing individual responsibility. I've driven up those roads plenty of times as have many others. People got killed because either they were being careless or were the victim of someone else being careless whilst driving.

Yet another idiotic post from Whopper Brown.

Don't know much about one of the most dangerous roads in the UK even when its on your own front door do you!!! The main reason why people get killed on that road is not because of bad driving but because of the lack of drainage on the road so cars aquaplane when the rain is heavy.

Hence why Plaid have got blood on their hands and that is FACT

I'd vote for a party who will put money into science, NHS, engineering and more importantly the military.

Whoever vote Plaid needs a brain transplant.

ad hominem attacks hold no credibility whatsoever.

We are substadised for one

For years historically we've actually been a net creditor to the Treasury. Get your facts straight. A lot of that money didn't get put back into Wales.

and tell me where our tax contributions will come from for our armed forces or NHS.

People working in Wales. Economic prosperity is no longer secured through being a large country or empire nor by using military force to gain access to markets.

North Wales and most of the valleys have some of the most deprived areas of Europe.

So do Romania and Bulgaria as well as loads of other European countries. On top of that, England has areas of serious depravation too. Those countries have benefited greatly from EU funding.

tell me why will jobs come to those areas just because we are going it alone ?

We can set our own competitive corporation and income tax rates to draw business across the bridge. England will either have to compete or accept that companies that wish to 'avoid' tax want to go across the bridge.

Sell water to England then they will just make more and bigger reservoirs.

Yes, this is real life buddy, not Sim City. You cant just dump a reservoir in the middle of England and hey presto! the problem is solved. It will take years of planning, signing off never mind all the health and safety nonsense to go with it. It is highly likely in the event that we did go independent we'd set up a trade agreement with England at the time of it occurring to iron out all complexities. If problems were solved as easily you suggest then we wouldn't be going abroad for oil, we'd be fracking like no tomorrow to obtain it. If problems are so easily solved why isn't England fracking so quickly to obtain oil? Not as simple as you suggest. In the time it takes them to implement such the Welsh economy could be running on a completely different basis. It could even be a South Wales Service Sector Economy with thriving business hubs in Cardiff and Swansea.

Plaid Cymru the party that will ram the Welsh language down your throat

More scaremongering. Heaven forbid having to use words beginning with two l's. The horror!!

You mate.. are full of shit.

you can believe that the Welsh economy will hold itself but it would not.

high unemployment, low wages and a lot of unskilled work.
no big industry anymore and just some fantasists running around believing if we all speak Welsh everything will be fine.

N

You mate.. are full of shit.

Strong argument. Did they teach you that one down bottom shops or up top?