' Cardiff City Player in talks to leave ' More Money wasted

Total waste of time and money, he was too old, and injury prone................

Exactly

I thought Tan was clearing the decks in order to lessen the monthly outgoings and thereby get the club running without it needing an injection of cash month on month.

Isn't this what we should want for the club?

Get the books in order and he can sell then fack off or shock of shock he may turn debt to equity as soon as it doesn't need his cash on monthly basis.

I thought Tan was clearing the decks in order to lessen the monthly outgoings and thereby get the club running without it needing an injection of cash month on month.

Isn't this what we should want for the club?

Get the books in order and he can sell the fact off or shock of shock he may turn debt to equity as soon as it doesn't need his cash on aonthly basis.

I agree with both actually, we have wasted a lot of money but now is the time to make cut backs while we still have the parachute payments.

People want Tan out so should be pleased with these cut backs, it should mean eventually we dont need his continued support on a monthly basis.

I thought Tan was clearing the decks in order to lessen the monthly outgoings and thereby get the club running without it needing an injection of cash month on month.

Isn't this what we should want for the club?

Get the books in order and he can sell then fack off or shock of shock he may turn debt to equity as soon as it doesn't need his cash on aonthly basis.

Correct Wayne, I'm just showing that once again more money wasted and there is only one person to blame for it all Tan.

All Tan is doing now,is clearing his own mess up ready to leave a club he has broken and taken the heart out of.

Didn't Mr Whitely step down not be sacked?

Didn't Mr Whitely step down not be sacked?

They asked him to.

Another load of money wasted by Vincent Tan.

Can someone tell me what we achieved by having Danny Gabbidon?
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We can keep blaming managers/players,but at the end of the day Vincent Tan has the final say and in many cases has chosen the coaches players himself.

£millions upon £millions wasted by Tan himself,football is not for him.

Not sure I understand this. I thought Gabbidon was brought in on a free.
So if we get rid of him, we save his wages.

Alternatively keeping him and not playing him WOULD be a waste of money.

Yes he was free to sign,but No body is cheap in wages, What did he achieve or do for us? Once again more money wasted which I believe could run well over £100,000 plus.

100% agree with you Annis, what exactly did Tan get for the money? Why did we need so many signings of Centre Backs this season?? All questions for the club to answer

ThomasC, I agree with Annis that the money Tan has provided/loaned has been ill-used, but for all that would we be asking the same questions IF OGS had either kept us in The Premier League or at the top end of The Championship or if Slade had arrested the fall and pointed us in the opposite direction in which we are currently going??

Just a thought, but somehow I doubt it. We are where we are and it appears (and many of us screamed for it to happen) the club are finally doing something about it!

Just trying to be positive during a pretty depressing period at our beloved club

Another load of money wasted by Vincent Tan.

Can someone tell me what we achieved by having Danny Gabbidon?
link
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We can keep blaming managers/players,but at the end of the day Vincent Tan has the final say and in many cases has chosen the coaches players himself.

£millions upon £millions wasted by Tan himself,football is not for him.

I must agree with this one!

It's very unusual of you to moan

It's his money, however I can understand your meaning in that it could have been spent elsewhere,

ie knocking price of season tickets down even more but there we are! The Club don't understand this so what
else can we expect

What I am saying is, we keep blaming manager after manager for wasting money,but the real waster is Tan as he is clueless on football and everyone else gets blames for where we are now.

Season tickets should actually be cheaper, for the direction were heading.

I know what you are saying but it's his money.

If he had the time and proper direction from someone he could have saved loads, we would be doing better and at the end of it we will never get an owner like him who chucks money at it.

Wish he would chuck £1000 to me and I would renew

You keep saying his money,he wants it all back at our expense and misery.

In all fairness Annis, you or no body apart from Tan knows what he wants back from the club? He has not taken any money out of the club so far and has not charged any interest, on those loans. He may surprise everyone and turn debt to equity at some point. Call me naïve but I don't think he is the type to see the club go to the wall, I believe Dalman when he says that Tan will not leave the club in a financial mess.
In hindsight he has wasted lots of money or more accurately other people have wasted his money, whoever it is who is advising him to buy certain players wants shooting

Another load of money wasted by Vincent Tan.

Can someone tell me what we achieved by having Danny Gabbidon?
link
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=150707



We can keep blaming managers/players,but at the end of the day Vincent Tan has the final say and in many cases has chosen the coaches players himself.

£millions upon £millions wasted by Tan himself,football is not for him.

Not sure I understand this. I thought Gabbidon was brought in on a free.
So if we get rid of him, we save his wages.

Alternatively keeping him and not playing him WOULD be a waste of money.

Yes he was free to sign,but No body is cheap in wages, What did he achieve or do for us? Once again more money wasted which I believe could run well over £100,000 plus.

100% agree with you Annis, what exactly did Tan get for the money? Why did we need so many signings of Centre Backs this season?? All questions for the club to answer

ThomasC, I agree with Annis that the money Tan has provided/loaned has been ill-used, but for all that would we be asking the same questions IF OGS had either kept us in The Premier League or at the top end of The Championship or if Slade had arrested the fall and pointed us in the opposite direction in which we are currently going??

Just a thought, but somehow I doubt it. We are where ewe are and it appears (and many of us screamed for it to happen) the club are finally doing something about it!

Just trying to be positive during a pretty depressing period at our beloved club

Chris, I always respect your posts

But for me the problem lies with Tan as he refuses to have proper football advisors and from day one he has done it his way,without a clue about football, which is why were are currently in this mess on and off the pitch.

Yeh hes been a waste of money but no doubt if he stayed here any longer the usual culprits would moan and say why the hell is gabbidon here what a waste of money, but now hes going people moan and say gabbidon is going what a waste of money. Anything for a moan as far as i can see.

Another load of money wasted by Vincent Tan.

Can someone tell me what we achieved by having Danny Gabbidon?
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We can keep blaming managers/players,but at the end of the day Vincent Tan has the final say and in many cases has chosen the coaches players himself.

£millions upon £millions wasted by Tan himself,football is not for him.

I must agree with this one!

It's very unusual of you to moan

It's his money, however I can understand your meaning in that it could have been spent elsewhere,

ie knocking price of season tickets down even more but there we are! The Club don't understand this so what
else can we expect

What I am saying is, we keep blaming manager after manager for wasting money,but the real waster is Tan as he is clueless on football and everyone else gets blames for where we are now.

Season tickets should actually be cheaper, for the direction were heading.

I know what you are saying but it's his money.

If he had the time and proper direction from someone he could have saved loads, we would be doing better and at the end of it we will never get an owner like him who chucks money at it.

Wish he would chuck £1000 to me and I would renew

You keep saying his money,he wants it all back at our expense and misery.

In all fairness Annis, you or no body apart from Tan knows what he wants back from the club? He has not taken any money out of the club so far and has not charged any interest, on those loans. He may surprise everyone and turn debt to equity at some point. Call me naïve but I don't think he is the type to see the club go to the wall, I believe Dalman when he says that Tan will not leave the club in a financial mess.
In hindsight he has wasted lots of money or more accurately other people have wasted his money, whoever it is who is advising him to buy certain players wants shooting

With have had 6 CEO'S and 4 Managers under Tan.
We have seen our club stripped of everything We Love under Tan.
We are now struggling badly and seeing the worse football for 30 plus years.
Yes I am moaning, but If I am wrong,why are our fans of their own free will walking away in their 1,000's?

I let my frustration off on here But I will still continue to support my team, no matter what unlike many others who just walk away or return when were having success again.

Another load of money wasted by Vincent Tan.

Can someone tell me what we achieved by having Danny Gabbidon?
link
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=150707



We can keep blaming managers/players,but at the end of the day Vincent Tan has the final say and in many cases has chosen the coaches players himself.

£millions upon £millions wasted by Tan himself,football is not for him.

I must agree with this one!

It's very unusual of you to moan

It's his money, however I can understand your meaning in that it could have been spent elsewhere,

ie knocking price of season tickets down even more but there we are! The Club don't understand this so what
else can we expect

What I am saying is, we keep blaming manager after manager for wasting money,but the real waster is Tan as he is clueless on football and everyone else gets blames for where we are now.

Season tickets should actually be cheaper, for the direction were heading.

I know what you are saying but it's his money.

If he had the time and proper direction from someone he could have saved loads, we would be doing better and at the end of it we will never get an owner like him who chucks money at it.

Wish he would chuck £1000 to me and I would renew

You keep saying his money,he wants it all back at our expense and misery.

In all fairness Annis, you or no body apart from Tan knows what he wants back from the club? He has not taken any money out of the club so far and has not charged any interest, on those loans. He may surprise everyone and turn debt to equity at some point. Call me naïve but I don't think he is the type to see the club go to the wall, I believe Dalman when he says that Tan will not leave the club in a financial mess.
In hindsight he has wasted lots of money or more accurately other people have wasted his money, whoever it is who is advising him to buy certain players wants shooting

With have had 6 CEO'S and 4 Managers under Tan.
We have seen our club stripped of everything We Love under Tan.
We are now struggling badly and seeing the worse football for 30 plus years.
Yes I am moaning, but If I am wrong,why are our fans of their own free will walking away in their 1,000's?

I let my frustration off on here But I will still continue to support my team, no matter what unlike many others who just walk away or return when were having success again.

That's because you are RICH STUPID and a CITY FAN

Simple salution is not to get rid of surplus players just leave them on sidelines and wait until contract expires? that way won't be spending double money? (1) paying off players, (2) spending on new players

Another load of money wasted by Vincent Tan.

Can someone tell me what we achieved by having Danny Gabbidon?
link
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=150707



We can keep blaming managers/players,but at the end of the day Vincent Tan has the final say and in many cases has chosen the coaches players himself.

£millions upon £millions wasted by Tan himself,football is not for him.

Not sure I understand this. I thought Gabbidon was brought in on a free.
So if we get rid of him, we save his wages.

Alternatively keeping him and not playing him WOULD be a waste of money.

Yes he was free to sign,but No body is cheap in wages, What did he achieve or do for us? Once again more money wasted which I believe could run well over £100,000 plus.

100% agree with you Annis, what exactly did Tan get for the money? Why did we need so many signings of Centre Backs this season?? All questions for the club to answer

ThomasC, I agree with Annis that the money Tan has provided/loaned has been ill-used, but for all that would we be asking the same questions IF OGS had either kept us in The Premier League or at the top end of The Championship or if Slade had arrested the fall and pointed us in the opposite direction in which we are currently going??

Just a thought, but somehow I doubt it. We are where ewe are and it appears (and many of us screamed for it to happen) the club are finally doing something about it!

Just trying to be positive during a pretty depressing period at our beloved club

Hard to be positive though Sven, every waking day is a new reminder of how amateurish the club is, found this today.
Ole acting like a 14 year old child while at work

Another load of money wasted by Vincent Tan.

Can someone tell me what we achieved by having Danny Gabbidon?
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viewtopic.php?f=2&t=150707



We can keep blaming managers/players,but at the end of the day Vincent Tan has the final say and in many cases has chosen the coaches players himself.

£millions upon £millions wasted by Tan himself,football is not for him.

Not sure I understand this. I thought Gabbidon was brought in on a free.
So if we get rid of him, we save his wages.

Alternatively keeping him and not playing him WOULD be a waste of money.

Yes he was free to sign,but No body is cheap in wages, What did he achieve or do for us? Once again more money wasted which I believe could run well over £100,000 plus.

Understand, clearly he has not been value for money. But based on that analysis we could complain about a lot more players...

Total waste of time and money, he was too old, and injury prone................

I thought this at the time, yet another example of OGS's flops.

Lost all respect for gabbidon years ago whilst at ccfc diner in angel hotel whilst in bar gabbidon said to another player quote what a chore being here we will never get out this was at about 10.30pm one night of year to show thanks and respect to those who's hard earned cash paid his wages,and the prick considered it a chore

All these tens of millions wasted and the club can't even employ a Manager with the ability to coach on the training ground

Just another of the wage bill.

it's is money what are you getting so upset about it's not coming out of your pocket

What happens at our club is our concern and he has lent it us



WELL SAID ANNIS

Another load of money wasted by Vincent Tan.

Can someone tell me what we achieved by having Danny Gabbidon?
link
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=150707



We can keep blaming managers/players,but at the end of the day Vincent Tan has the final say and in many cases has chosen the coaches players himself.

£millions upon £millions wasted by Tan himself,football is not for him.

I must agree with this one!

It's very unusual of you to moan

It's his money, however I can understand your meaning in that it could have been spent elsewhere,

ie knocking price of season tickets down even more but there we are! The Club don't understand this so what
else can we expect

What I am saying is, we keep blaming manager after manager for wasting money,but the real waster is Tan as he is clueless on football and everyone else gets blames for where we are now.

Season tickets should actually be cheaper, for the direction were heading.

I know what you are saying but it's his money.

If he had the time and proper direction from someone he could have saved loads, we would be doing better and at the end of it we will never get an owner like him who chucks money at it.

Wish he would chuck £1000 to me and I would renew

You keep saying his money,he wants it all back at our expense and misery.

In all fairness Annis, you or no body apart from Tan knows what he wants back from the club? He has not taken any money out of the club so far and has not charged any interest, on those loans. He may surprise everyone and turn debt to equity at some point. Call me naïve but I don't think he is the type to see the club go to the wall, I believe Dalman when he says that Tan will not leave the club in a financial mess.
In hindsight he has wasted lots of money or more accurately other people have wasted his money, whoever it is who is advising him to buy certain players wants shooting

With have had 6 CEO'S and 4 Managers under Tan.
We have seen our club stripped of everything We Love under Tan.
We are now struggling badly and seeing the worse football for 30 plus years.
Yes I am moaning, but If I am wrong,why are our fans of their own free will walking away in their 1,000's?

I let my frustration off on here But I will still continue to support my team, no matter what unlike many others who just walk away or return when were having success again.

"Yes I am moaning, but If I am wrong,why are our fans of their own free will walking away in their 1,000's?"

Our fans are walking away in their 1000s because they always have been and always will be fickle as feck. Now that the rebrand has been reversed and the club have pretty much frozen season ticket prices, so the economic side of the argument is not so strong, what excuse have those not returning got? the football is shit! the players are not trying hard enough, well BOO f*cking HOO. Cardiff don't have a God given right to playing sublime football, it has to be earned. We have a state of the art stadium, with an owner who is not afraid to back managers. I know there is a lot wrong at the club, which all of us cannot understand how it happens, but none of it now is enough to make any real supporters not renew or walk away. I would never class myself as the loyalist of supporters, however, even I will renew my season ticket and live 200 miles away, because I know that I will get to half the games next year and I feel that I'm doing my bit to support the club, so I really don't understand why the normal supporters who live within 30 minutes of Cardiff, can't be arsed. I really do think that football in South Wales is nowhere near as ingrained as in other parts of the UK, Swansea would be even worse, if they got relegated under the off field shit that we have had to put up with, they would be struggling to get 8000 in the Liberty. My conclusion is, that South Wales, football fans are just plain fickle.

Simple salution is not to get rid of surplus players just leave them on sidelines and wait until contract expires? that way won't be spending double money? (1) paying off players, (2) spending on new players

Simpler solutions than that, take real football advice in the first place and even now employ people who know there football and are not yes men

it's is money what are you getting so upset about it's not coming out of your pocket

What happens at our club is our concern and he has lent it us



WELL SAID ANNIS

Correct, it is our Concern, its our club that we love and support

Another load of money wasted by Vincent Tan.

Can someone tell me what we achieved by having Danny Gabbidon?
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viewtopic.php?f=2&t=150707



We can keep blaming managers/players,but at the end of the day Vincent Tan has the final say and in many cases has chosen the coaches players himself.

£millions upon £millions wasted by Tan himself,football is not for him.

I must agree with this one!

It's very unusual of you to moan

It's his money, however I can understand your meaning in that it could have been spent elsewhere,

ie knocking price of season tickets down even more but there we are! The Club don't understand this so what
else can we expect

What I am saying is, we keep blaming manager after manager for wasting money,but the real waster is Tan as he is clueless on football and everyone else gets blames for where we are now.

Season tickets should actually be cheaper, for the direction were heading.

I know what you are saying but it's his money.

If he had the time and proper direction from someone he could have saved loads, we would be doing better and at the end of it we will never get an owner like him who chucks money at it.

Wish he would chuck £1000 to me and I would renew

You keep saying his money,he wants it all back at our expense and misery.

In all fairness Annis, you or no body apart from Tan knows what he wants back from the club? He has not taken any money out of the club so far and has not charged any interest, on those loans. He may surprise everyone and turn debt to equity at some point. Call me naïve but I don't think he is the type to see the club go to the wall, I believe Dalman when he says that Tan will not leave the club in a financial mess.
In hindsight he has wasted lots of money or more accurately other people have wasted his money, whoever it is who is advising him to buy certain players wants shooting

With have had 6 CEO'S and 4 Managers under Tan.
We have seen our club stripped of everything We Love under Tan.
We are now struggling badly and seeing the worse football for 30 plus years.
Yes I am moaning, but If I am wrong,why are our fans of their own free will walking away in their 1,000's?

I let my frustration off on here But I will still continue to support my team, no matter what unlike many others who just walk away or return when were having success again.

"Yes I am moaning, but If I am wrong,why are our fans of their own free will walking away in their 1,000's?"

Our fans are walking away in their 1000s because they always have been and always will be fickle as feck. Now that the rebrand has been reversed and the club have pretty much frozen season ticket prices, so the economic side of the argument is not so strong, what excuse have those not returning got? the football is shit! the players are not trying hard enough, well BOO f*cking HOO. Cardiff don't have a God given right to playing sublime football, it has to be earned. We have a state of the art stadium, with an owner who is not afraid to back managers. I know there is a lot wrong at the club, which all of us cannot understand how it happens, but none of it now is enough to make any real supporters not renew or walk away. I would never class myself as the loyalist of supporters, however, even I will renew my season ticket and live 200 miles away, because I know that I will get to half the games next year and I feel that I'm doing my bit to support the club, so I really don't understand why the normal supporters who live within 30 minutes of Cardiff, can't be arsed. I really do think that football in South Wales is nowhere near as ingrained as in other parts of the UK, Swansea would be even worse, if they got relegated under the off field shit that we have had to put up with, they would be struggling to get 8000 in the Liberty. My conclusion is, that South Wales, football fans are just plain fickle.

I do agree with you, we have a massive fickle fan base,But we also have loyal fans who deserve more

Another load of money wasted by Vincent Tan.

Can someone tell me what we achieved by having Danny Gabbidon?
link
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=150707



We can keep blaming managers/players,but at the end of the day Vincent Tan has the final say and in many cases has chosen the coaches players himself.

£millions upon £millions wasted by Tan himself,football is not for him.

I must agree with this one!

It's very unusual of you to moan

It's his money, however I can understand your meaning in that it could have been spent elsewhere,

ie knocking price of season tickets down even more but there we are! The Club don't understand this so what
else can we expect

What I am saying is, we keep blaming manager after manager for wasting money,but the real waster is Tan as he is clueless on football and everyone else gets blames for where we are now.

Season tickets should actually be cheaper, for the direction were heading.

I know what you are saying but it's his money.

If he had the time and proper direction from someone he could have saved loads, we would be doing better and at the end of it we will never get an owner like him who chucks money at it.

Wish he would chuck £1000 to me and I would renew

You keep saying his money,he wants it all back at our expense and misery.

In all fairness Annis, you or no body apart from Tan knows what he wants back from the club? He has not taken any money out of the club so far and has not charged any interest, on those loans. He may surprise everyone and turn debt to equity at some point. Call me naïve but I don't think he is the type to see the club go to the wall, I believe Dalman when he says that Tan will not leave the club in a financial mess.
In hindsight he has wasted lots of money or more accurately other people have wasted his money, whoever it is who is advising him to buy certain players wants shooting

With have had 6 CEO'S and 4 Managers under Tan.
We have seen our club stripped of everything We Love under Tan.
We are now struggling badly and seeing the worse football for 30 plus years.
Yes I am moaning, but If I am wrong,why are our fans of their own free will walking away in their 1,000's?

I let my frustration off on here But I will still continue to support my team, no matter what unlike many others who just walk away or return when were having success again.

"Yes I am moaning, but If I am wrong,why are our fans of their own free will walking away in their 1,000's?"

Our fans are walking away in their 1000s because they always have been and always will be fickle as feck. Now that the rebrand has been reversed and the club have pretty much frozen season ticket prices, so the economic side of the argument is not so strong, what excuse have those not returning got? the football is shit! the players are not trying hard enough, well BOO f*cking HOO. Cardiff don't have a God given right to playing sublime football, it has to be earned. We have a state of the art stadium, with an owner who is not afraid to back managers. I know there is a lot wrong at the club, which all of us cannot understand how it happens, but none of it now is enough to make any real supporters not renew or walk away. I would never class myself as the loyalist of supporters, however, even I will renew my season ticket and live 200 miles away, because I know that I will get to half the games next year and I feel that I'm doing my bit to support the club, so I really don't understand why the normal supporters who live within 30 minutes of Cardiff, can't be arsed. I really do think that football in South Wales is nowhere near as ingrained as in other parts of the UK, Swansea would be even worse, if they got relegated under the off field shit that we have had to put up with, they would be struggling to get 8000 in the Liberty. My conclusion is, that South Wales, football fans are just plain fickle.

I do agree with you, we have a massive fickle fan base,But we also have loyal fans who deserve more

I have a feeling, that like me, you are surprised on how fickle our supporters really are?

Didn't Mr Whitely step down not be sacked?

They asked him to.

So he wasn't sacked then.

Not quite sure why Tan is being blamed for backing his managers - sure some on here would have something to say of he had refused to give them money

Another load of money wasted by Vincent Tan.

Can someone tell me what we achieved by having Danny Gabbidon?
link
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=150707



We can keep blaming managers/players,but at the end of the day Vincent Tan has the final say and in many cases has chosen the coaches players himself.

£millions upon £millions wasted by Tan himself,football is not for him.

I must agree with this one!

It's very unusual of you to moan

It's his money, however I can understand your meaning in that it could have been spent elsewhere,

ie knocking price of season tickets down even more but there we are! The Club don't understand this so what
else can we expect

What I am saying is, we keep blaming manager after manager for wasting money,but the real waster is Tan as he is clueless on football and everyone else gets blames for where we are now.

Season tickets should actually be cheaper, for the direction were heading.

I know what you are saying but it's his money.

If he had the time and proper direction from someone he could have saved loads, we would be doing better and at the end of it we will never get an owner like him who chucks money at it.

Wish he would chuck £1000 to me and I would renew

You keep saying his money,he wants it all back at our expense and misery.

In all fairness Annis, you or no body apart from Tan knows what he wants back from the club? He has not taken any money out of the club so far and has not charged any interest, on those loans. He may surprise everyone and turn debt to equity at some point. Call me naïve but I don't think he is the type to see the club go to the wall, I believe Dalman when he says that Tan will not leave the club in a financial mess.
In hindsight he has wasted lots of money or more accurately other people have wasted his money, whoever it is who is advising him to buy certain players wants shooting

With have had 6 CEO'S and 4 Managers under Tan.
We have seen our club stripped of everything We Love under Tan.
We are now struggling badly and seeing the worse football for 30 plus years.
Yes I am moaning, but If I am wrong,why are our fans of their own free will walking away in their 1,000's?

I let my frustration off on here But I will still continue to support my team, no matter what unlike many others who just walk away or return when were having success again.

"Yes I am moaning, but If I am wrong,why are our fans of their own free will walking away in their 1,000's?"

Our fans are walking away in their 1000s because they always have been and always will be fickle as feck. Now that the rebrand has been reversed and the club have pretty much frozen season ticket prices, so the economic side of the argument is not so strong, what excuse have those not returning got? the football is shit! the players are not trying hard enough, well BOO f*cking HOO. Cardiff don't have a God given right to playing sublime football, it has to be earned. We have a state of the art stadium, with an owner who is not afraid to back managers. I know there is a lot wrong at the club, which all of us cannot understand how it happens, but none of it now is enough to make any real supporters not renew or walk away. I would never class myself as the loyalist of supporters, however, even I will renew my season ticket and live 200 miles away, because I know that I will get to half the games next year and I feel that I'm doing my bit to support the club, so I really don't understand why the normal supporters who live within 30 minutes of Cardiff, can't be arsed. I really do think that football in South Wales is nowhere near as ingrained as in other parts of the UK, Swansea would be even worse, if they got relegated under the off field shit that we have had to put up with, they would be struggling to get 8000 in the Liberty. My conclusion is, that South Wales, football fans are just plain fickle.

I do agree with you, we have a massive fickle fan base,But we also have loyal fans who deserve more

I have a feeling, that like me, you are surprised on how fickle our supporters really are?

Honestly Very and more than I thought.

Can slade ang young go with him please

Can slade ang young go with him please

Hopefully Yes

Hows Your holiday?